This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BPolito3965 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9647.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Church records would be your best way to find cemetery. I was told many people of that time period could not afford grave markers or over time many of them have been destroyed or deteriorated. Also if they were farmers graves might be located on farms and probably covered by now. Wife may have moved to where son lived or her family as women were not allowed to own property at that time period unless it was stated in husband's will. Have you tried the FAmily History Library for records? They have microfilmed many old churchs for that time period. Website is: www.familysearch.org. These are just several possible that may have happen that I have learned over the years. Good Luck in your research. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello everyone, Please see the original email we all recieved on this Dutchess County mailing list, I have it below. In order to reply back to the person who wrote the message, you will click on the URL listed below, it is the blue colored line which begins with http://boards............. When you click on that URL you will be connected to the internet online at rootsweb.com, and you will see the original message, and then you can click on REPLY. You will then type in the message you would like to give them. Then click Submit. That is all you do. Rootsweb.com will send an email alerting the author of the original email that there is a REPLY to their email, and they will also click on a URL to read your message on the message board where they originally had posted it. Then they might also click on REPLY and send a message back to you. Best regards, Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <NYDUTCHE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: [NYDUTCHE] Stenson family Tivoli New York > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: seonaida > Surnames: Stenson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9649/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My grandmother was born in Tivoli,Duchess County, New York > about 1879. I believe that her mother died in Tivoli the > same year. I am looking for birth and/or death records. > Thanks. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board.

I couldn't agree more with Susan's remarks! Ancestry certainly has fouled up RootsWeb, which used to be a wonderful way to communicate and to research. I've never subscribed to Ancestry because I can't afford it, though my genealogy society and county library system have subscriptions, so I can use it either place. I agree that there is more correct information to be obtained from libraries and local historical societies. You might also check with your local or county library. Mine subscribes to both Ancestry and Heritage Quest (I can access the latter from home with my library card), and I have found marvelous information searching Heritage books. Just recently I found Gertrude Barber's Will Abstracts for Dutchess (also Columbia) at Heritage, and printed out about 30 pp of abstracts for Snyders. Also tax records. I'm searching for the parents of my gr-gr-grandfather Cyrus Snyder,(b Apr 28 1832) who lived in both Columbia and Dutchess counties, so I'm tracking down all the Snyders and Schneiders in the area, trying to make a connection. Not easy, when there were TWO William Snyders in the same Town in Columbia! Yikes! I'm pretty sure he must be Palatine descended, as was his wife, Rebecca Smith (Schmidt), whose line I have. Jean Snow Sherman Oaks, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: seonaida Surnames: Stenson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9649/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My grandmother was born in Tivoli,Duchess County, New York about 1879. I believe that her mother died in Tivoli the same year. I am looking for birth and/or death records. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: seonaida Surnames: Stenson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9648/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My grandmother was born in Tivoli,Duchess County, New York about 1879. I believe that her mother died in Tivoli the same year. I am looking for birth and/or death records. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Icedancer Surnames: Burgess Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9647/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find the cemetery where my ancestors are buried. Matthias Burgess, residing in Poughkeepsie when he wrote his will but formerly of Southeast, died about 1784. I don't know when his wife, Dorcas Cole Burgess, died, but she was mentioned in his will. His son, Thomas Burgess, died in 1786, and perhaps he was buried in the same cemetery; he resided in Ulster county at the time of his death but I haven't found him in any cemetery there. The family probably was a member of Rev. Kent's congregation in Southeast, but I don't know where Matthias was a member in Poughkeepsie. Can anyone tell me a likely cemetery for Congregatonalists/Presbyterians in the 1780s? I've looked at a lot of gravestone books without any luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Robert, I do appreciate your opinion although I disagree with your perception of the facts, not that it really makes much of a difference, really. I am also well over 55 and have been doing the genealogical hunt and peck for the most part the old fashioned way for well over 35 years, and if it makes much of an impression have more names in my data base than you. All of that isn't the issue here. My response to the various complaints in the message boards was simple--to simply explain why the convenience of internet genealogy has become so difficult. For those who want to pay the price for what ever convenience they may find to Ancestry, etc., this is fine as long as they understand that it isn't really free and the information provided is incomplete and in more cases than not inaccurate. For me, I do take offense to Ancestry's selling of information provided to Rootsweb, particularly all of the information which was provided under the GenWeb/Rootsweb umbrella prior to it being purchased by Ancestry et.al. I too contributed to RootsWeb back then with verified information and trees, transcriptions of public records, photos, etc. Part of the deal with the purchase was that RootsWeb would remain a free service; however what has transpired since is that features once free via RootsWeb, AKA the already submitted public documents and transcriptions such as census among other information cannot be accessed via Rootsweb. Most of the Federal and State census' were already a part of RootsWeb, yet now one has to pay a fee to Ancestry for information which had been contributed by those like me and previously accessible free. For all of us who volunteered and submitted information free so that it could be available to all free, it is a bitter pill to swallow, and it is more than an annoyance--more-or-less an act of fraud if you will. We all are old enough to know that nothing in this life is totally free; however, the barter system is still alive and well. Those of us who contributed did so because we know the difficulties involved in verifying ancestors with hard evidence such as census, directories, land records, and other public documents. The bonus of the message boards helped individuals the opportunity to connect with distantly related families in the hope of further verifying families immediate and allied. If I had had a working crystal ball back then when I contributed years and hundreds of thousands of hours and work paying for the traveling, the copies of originals, etc., I never would have contributed a thing knowing that all of my free to give effort would be turned around and sold. To compound my discontent further, I supported Ancestry by paying the subscriptions while contributing information not found among their conveniences free of charge to RootsWeb. Additionally, monetary donations were accepted by RootsWeb if anyone was inclined. Additionally there was a certain amount of revenue which came via advertising the for pay sites the same as there are for many of the sites today. I remain on many mailing lists which I joined long ago, rarely commenting unless I have something really helpful to offer. You are correct in that this really isn't a discussion for the message boards if one is considering that most are looking for someone that has information about their families. The door was opened by the comments of frustration over how things have evolved. My protest to Ancestry was to quit paying them, telling them why, and trying to correct information which I find inaccurate found on their service. Just as we all are entitled to our opinions popular or not, we also are entitled to our forms of protest. Robert Akin wrote: > You are correct, Susan. In my case you have not reached a sympathetic eye or ear. First, let me say that I do not work for The Generations Network which owns My Family and in turn Ancestry.com. I am retired and own no allegiance to any company. > > To start with, Rootsweb remains a "free" site for genealogists. Rootsweb currently says it has over 480 million names on file. They also host tens of thousands of genealogy web sites for which they charge nothing. They host thousands of forums and mailing lists like the one over which we are discussing this. In addition, they host all of the USGenWeb sites. Think about it. Nearly every county in every state in the USA has a site on Rootsweb's servers. All of this take a huge amount of computer resources and Internet connectivity. Now, let me ask you, who pays for all of this? The volunteers who work so diligently on these sites are worth their weight in gold, but they do not pay for the computers and Internet connectivity. Who does? The Generations Network company does and it does it with the revenue it gets from sites like Ancestry.com. > > I have my own database of over 32000 names on Web Connect at Rootsweb and I > do not pay anything for it. I realize that by so doing, people on > Ancestry.com have access to my data, but a person can also find and use > my data for free at Rootsweb. I know that some get peeved that Ancestry can sell information that has been submitted for free, but it doesn't bother me at all. As long as a person CAN access the information at no cost, but choose to buy access from Ancestry for the sake of convenience or because they use Ancestry for other uses, I don't have a problem with it. > > To the list, I apologize for getting a non-genealogy discussion going, but I think it is related very closely to what we all do. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Susan Hedeen <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> > To: nydutche@rootsweb.com; tee.huffaker@gmail.com; grel@ix.netcom.com > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:07:31 AM > Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Re Dutchess List > > > This comment may or may not reach sympathetic eyes and ears, but I > think > it needs to be said. You can lay all the frustrations on > Ancestry.Com's > door. Once they acquired nearly every internet genealogical site > and/or > got into proprietary arrangements with independents who would cooperate > > but not sell, everything has become more difficult if not next to > impossible. They have ruined Rootsweb which was once a free service > connecting people who volunteered their family information and > organized > as groups to publish public information found in libraries, court > houses, etc. > > This year I dropped my subscription to Ancestry, et.al. after years and > > years--I was in there from the beginning when Ancestry was next to free > > and building a data base. > > It is all about money folks, and don't ever think otherwise. They are > now taking everything that people have volunteered and reselling it in > one form or another. I'd rather go to the effort and time to go to the > > Family History Library outlets and search it out and pay the minimal > fees to have the material sent in from Salt Lake than to pay hundreds > of > dollars a year to Ancestry. > > The best that I've been able to determine is that there are no really > free message boards any more--Ancestry owns them all I believe and/or > is > some arrangement with the site owners. This is why when you do a > search > and you find a page you will almost always sooner or later end up at > Ancestry where you can get a short limited free trial followed by the > promise that you will find everything you could want or need about your > > families by joining at the tune of hundreds of dollars for this and > that, oh BTW this data base is not in your subscription...for Xmore $ a > > year you can view it too. > > The truth of the matter is that the historical records, if you can view > > the originals are what you really want with the subscription, but they > are not bundled, so each has to be purchased separately. Lots of the > trees are inaccurate as people have borrowed other peoples guesses and > published them without knowing whether or not they are correct. > Families are mixed up all over, and Ancestry doesn't care. It is all > about the money. > > More time consuming, but I have found loads of information at local > historical societies, google books, and as I said the Family History > centers. > > Good luck, Susan > > Tee Huffaker wrote: > >> While we are on the subject of the gatewayed messages to the list, I >> have to admit I am so confused by how to reply that I have given up >> > on > >> them......I feel very bad about this, but the frustration is too high >> a price. I just attribute it to my computer knowledge-- Does someone >> on this list wish to contact me on or off list as to how to do >> it---step by step---I will try again. >> >> Looking for Woodwards in Dutchess county. >> >> Tee >> >> On Nov 11, 2007 4:12 PM, Grant Pike <grel@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >>> That is the best way. I have lost my patience with the boards and >>> > will only > >>> reply to the sender or the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

This comment may or may not reach sympathetic eyes and ears, but I think it needs to be said. You can lay all the frustrations on Ancestry.Com's door. Once they acquired nearly every internet genealogical site and/or got into proprietary arrangements with independents who would cooperate but not sell, everything has become more difficult if not next to impossible. They have ruined Rootsweb which was once a free service connecting people who volunteered their family information and organized as groups to publish public information found in libraries, court houses, etc. This year I dropped my subscription to Ancestry, et.al. after years and years--I was in there from the beginning when Ancestry was next to free and building a data base. It is all about money folks, and don't ever think otherwise. They are now taking everything that people have volunteered and reselling it in one form or another. I'd rather go to the effort and time to go to the Family History Library outlets and search it out and pay the minimal fees to have the material sent in from Salt Lake than to pay hundreds of dollars a year to Ancestry. The best that I've been able to determine is that there are no really free message boards any more--Ancestry owns them all I believe and/or is some arrangement with the site owners. This is why when you do a search and you find a page you will almost always sooner or later end up at Ancestry where you can get a short limited free trial followed by the promise that you will find everything you could want or need about your families by joining at the tune of hundreds of dollars for this and that, oh BTW this data base is not in your subscription...for Xmore $ a year you can view it too. The truth of the matter is that the historical records, if you can view the originals are what you really want with the subscription, but they are not bundled, so each has to be purchased separately. Lots of the trees are inaccurate as people have borrowed other peoples guesses and published them without knowing whether or not they are correct. Families are mixed up all over, and Ancestry doesn't care. It is all about the money. More time consuming, but I have found loads of information at local historical societies, google books, and as I said the Family History centers. Good luck, Susan Tee Huffaker wrote: > While we are on the subject of the gatewayed messages to the list, I > have to admit I am so confused by how to reply that I have given up on > them......I feel very bad about this, but the frustration is too high > a price. I just attribute it to my computer knowledge-- Does someone > on this list wish to contact me on or off list as to how to do > it---step by step---I will try again. > > Looking for Woodwards in Dutchess county. > > Tee > > On Nov 11, 2007 4:12 PM, Grant Pike <grel@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> That is the best way. I have lost my patience with the boards and will only >> reply to the sender or the list. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It is not your computer knowledge. It is the system. Do not blame yourself for the mess.

While we are on the subject of the gatewayed messages to the list, I have to admit I am so confused by how to reply that I have given up on them......I feel very bad about this, but the frustration is too high a price. I just attribute it to my computer knowledge-- Does someone on this list wish to contact me on or off list as to how to do it---step by step---I will try again. Looking for Woodwards in Dutchess county. Tee On Nov 11, 2007 4:12 PM, Grant Pike <grel@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > That is the best way. I have lost my patience with the boards and will only > reply to the sender or the list. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: XBQB5B Surnames: HOTCHKISS, MARCY, NICHOLSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9646/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I find that Mary HOTCHKISS, wife of Samuel, is buried at the South Dover Cemetery in Dover. Can anyone tell me if her maiden name was MARCY? Was "Mary" the daughter of Ebenezer MARCY and Martha (Mary) NICHOLSON? Sue Kelly Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SMULVEY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Margaret, Seems Ancestry has changed the rules. Looks like you have to have a subscription to Ancestry.com to be able to view the email addresses. It's news to me too. Susan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

That is the best way. I have lost my patience with the boards and will only reply to the sender or the list.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johanna1876 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Susan, I thank you for trying to help, but I'm not getting the same results. For example, when I click on the underlined name from your post, I'm taken to the "public profile". When I click on "Contact this person", I get a message from Ancestry that they hope I've enjoyed my 3-day free subscription! Thanks again. Margaret Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Jean, I was replying to a message that was left of the Message Board not the Mailing List. The email addresses on the Message Boards are hidden. Susan > Just noticed the messages about exchanging e-mail addresses. How > strange that this list has changed. I thought that like the other > Rootsweb county lists I subscribe to, that a posting included your name. > >

When an email comes into my computer from the surname lists that I'm on, the following is always listed: FROM: and the senders email address REPLY TO: i.e. _nydutche@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:nydutche@rootsweb.com) TO: _NYDutche@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:NYDutche@rootsweb.com) If I want to contact someone off list I just highlight their email address, copy and paste it into the Send To Box ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SMULVEY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jack and others; Just for your information concerning email addresses, it is not against any rules to post them. It's just that spammers tend to harvest adddresses and you end up with a lot of unwaned emails. To find an email address of anyone who has posted to any of the message boards, just click the underlined name to the left of the star on the boards, it will bring up the email of that person. Susan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Maybe I missed the question, but in this case if you click on SMULVEY on the rootsweb site, you get smulvey@comcast.net written out in a faded blurry font. You cannot cut and paste - they write it that way so that spammers cannot get it. But you can type it in yourself. Is that the question? Regina Haring ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <NYDUTCHE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Poughkeepsie Wards: 1870 > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: SMULVEY > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi Margaret, > Seems Ancestry has changed the rules. Looks like you have to have a > subscription to Ancestry.com to be able to view the email addresses. > > It's news to me too. > > Susan > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1115 - Release Date: > 11/7/2007 9:21 AM > >

Just noticed the messages about exchanging e-mail addresses. How strange that this list has changed. I thought that like the other Rootsweb county lists I subscribe to, that a posting included your name.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: Ramstetter Schaad Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Margaret, I am brand new to these boards and my ID is brand new to Ancestry.com. I am not sure how to trade email ids, but it must be possible. If you can tell me HOW to make my offlist email address (whatever that is)available, I would do so. I do not want to break rules, so I wonder if there is a "surname" rather than "locality" board that we should post items about Ramstetters and Schaads. On another thread, I am communicating with Dan Meyer about Ramstetters. I hope you see those threads also. Only one of us has to post an email address. Here is mine and I hope I am not violating a rule: boyce@us.ibm.com Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.