Swarthmore College is the major repository for Quaker records in New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, and I don't know how much further afield. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: C J Sheldon <cjsheldonim@gmail.com> To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:11:30 AM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS Carol--Digging deeper!! Swarthmore College Friends Historical Library Swarthmore,PA 19081 TEL.610 328.8497 FAY,Loren V..Quaker Census of 1828. Frost, Josephine S.C.--Quaker Meeting Records.State of New York.has OblongMM, Nine PartnersMM, and some from CREEK MM--Removal Certificates. charlotte J.sheldon On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: "NYS Quaker Meeting Group book" Charlotte, Where would I find this book? I am new to researching Quakers & I have a DICKINSON family John & wife Elizabeth buried in the Friends cemetery in Dutchess Co. John died in 1845. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of the pictures I have is of the CLinton Corners Meetinghouse--it was subsequently a grange hall, and is where my grandparents met at a grange dance. It still looks like a Quaker meetinghouse. Unfortunately, I don't think attachments can be sent on the list. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: C J Sheldon <cjsheldonim@gmail.com> To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:53:53 AM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS Carol, Just found the formation dated list of MM's in Duchess Co.,NY 1742-OBLONG,Pawling [Quaker Hill] c.1742-Nine Partners-Mechanic-Washington --1750-Oswego-Union Vale--later in Stanford -1771-Creek-Clinton Corners 1771-Poughquag-Beekman,later Clove --1774-Branch-Dover -c.1778-Crum Elsow-Hyde Park 1790-Chestnut Ridge-Dover c.1790Little Nine Partners-Milan 1792-West Branch-LeGrange c.1795-Stanfordville-Stanford --1802Pleasant Valley-Pleasant Valley -1803-Beekman-Arthursburgh-LaGrange 1803-North East -Bethel-Pine Plains 1811-Poughkeepsie On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: "NYS Quaker Meeting Group book" Charlotte, Where would I find this book? I am new to researching Quakers & I have a DICKINSON family John & wife Elizabeth buried in the Friends cemetery in Dutchess Co. John died in 1845. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, once again our families bump up against each other. I am sure one day we will find that we are cousins of one sort or another. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL

Carol, they are meetinghouses. I have some good stuff I will send you--hopefully will remember when I get home. If not, remind me. It is from the Hinshaw book which I have on CD. Many of my ancestors were Quakers in West Jersey and Philadelphia, so I have studied them quite a bit. I have also visited many meetinghouses--I have pictures. Will try to send you one of those also as they have a distinctive look. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "cheap@simon.com" <cheap@simon.com> To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:50:56 AM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS Charlotte, Thank you so much for the Quaker information. I am so lost in starting this research. I am going have to read a few books about Quakers in the area to get a feel for this research. I grew up on Long Island and remember going to a Fall Event each year at the local "Friends" did they call them churches? It was a long time ago, in Syosset NY. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for interesting reply, Kathy. -----Original Message----- From: nydutche-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nydutche-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Hoeldke Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:02 AM To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYDUTCHE] Not just Quakers who left Dutchess County during orafter the Revolution. Hello Everyone!!! I am from Ontario, Canada and my linage is rich with New Yorkers who came before, during and after the American Revolution. Some came because they were pro British but a lot came for the land. And a lot moved on to Michigan after a generation. In southern Ontario in nearly every corner you will find cemeteries with American family names, a lot coming from Dutchess County. Mine the Lossing and the Swartout, both came from Dutchess county after the Revolution. My linage was not just Dutch but German, Swiss, etc. The Teeter, Eagle , Mabie, Longstreet etc line were pro British. They came from New York, New Jersey. 200 acrea grant was per person of age, so if you 10 children and 5 of them were of legal age, than you got 200 for your self and 200 for each child. That's a lot of land to clear and start working. Sometimes the land was not good for farming so you had to get more land. --------------------------------- Instant message from any web browser! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charlotte, Thank you so much for the Quaker information. I am so lost in starting this research. I am going have to read a few books about Quakers in the area to get a feel for this research. I grew up on Long Island and remember going to a Fall Event each year at the local "Friends" did they call them churches? It was a long time ago, in Syosset NY. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL

Hello Everyone!!! I am from Ontario, Canada and my linage is rich with New Yorkers who came before, during and after the American Revolution. Some came because they were pro British but a lot came for the land. And a lot moved on to Michigan after a generation. In southern Ontario in nearly every corner you will find cemeteries with American family names, a lot coming from Dutchess County. Mine the Lossing and the Swartout, both came from Dutchess county after the Revolution. My linage was not just Dutch but German, Swiss, etc. The Teeter, Eagle , Mabie, Longstreet etc line were pro British. They came from New York, New Jersey. 200 acrea grant was per person of age, so if you 10 children and 5 of them were of legal age, than you got 200 for your self and 200 for each child. That's a lot of land to clear and start working. Sometimes the land was not good for farming so you had to get more land. --------------------------------- Instant message from any web browser! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA

Thank you, Charlotte,for all the wonderful Quaker info! I relate to Arthur/Hannah Vail through dau Ester who mar a John Travis. But have never been able to locate mar records, or any info re: them, children's births in Westchester, Pleasant Valley. Since you are also a Vail, wonder if any of these names sound familiar. Their dau Eliz. Travis married a Nathan Cutler, who after RWar, were in Canada for a while, then returned to NY. Many thanks! Suzanne in TN -----Original Message----- From: nydutche-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nydutche-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C J Sheldon Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:05 PM To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS Dear Carol, Now that the holiday weekend is over and my company has gone, I will focus on some suggestions concerning QUAKER research. Partly this depends on which century and partly on the location. "My' Quakers were first found in Westchaster Co.,NY. but had migrated from Long Island.There were Quaker meetings both in Long Island, New Amsterdam / New York City[ by 1657] ,and north in counties along the Hudson or in the Dutch, then British Manor holdings very early. The family in question was VAIL / Veale / Vale /etc.The first 2 gens. do not mention Quaker connections[1650 to 1695]. Gen.3 [1696--at least maybe 1722]- this gen.in Westchester [Town of Eastchester] were Presbyterian. However from notes about some of the children, three of 6 children have mentions Quaker affiliations and of migration to Duchess Co.,NY and affiliations with Monthly Meetings there [from here on called M.M.s] .These children were born in 1722,1724,and 1736. Earlier MM's in L.IS / NYC area were as early as1660 and 1671-on In New England- Puritan-shunned Quakers out of MA. but they were allowed in Rh.IS. by Roger Williams-another of my ancestors. So, some of my RH.IS. ancestors moved to Duchess Co. It was .inevitable' for a VAIL to marry a SHERMAN from R.IS. in D.CO., ,then a SHERMAN - daughter married a SMITH Quaker--and I am a GT-GR.Child from the last of the Smith Quakers in D.CO. and they were faithful to their deaths in 1883 and 1896.Most are buried in the Pleasant Valley / Quaker cemetery and I have visited there and teken some pictures. Quakers were NOT all buried there. It depended on the MM. you attended, where you owned land and lived, and the time-again. Because it is late and I am tired, I will list 2 or 3 sources I found most helpful, Carol. --Kelly,A. Marriage Notices from Duchess Co.Newspapers.1826-1851. Rhinebeck,NY ---DEATH V.R.s from CREEK MM. 1828-1916 [Crum Elbow District. ----Encyclopediaof American Quaker Gemealogy.by Hinshaw,W. I used VOL. 3: Records of Long Island and NYC,NY.--and 1827 Hicksite Census.****These were especially helpful because the early Duchess Co. families were listed in generally recognizable family groups---- IF they were HICKSITE. Mine WERE Hicksite. I cannot give information on the 'breakaway' group. ----On film from the F.H.Library in SLCity--are many listings of minutes from the MM.s I found these interesting to get a feeling about a general 'flow' of business over time. They might have info. pertinent to an ancestor, or not. Usually,marriagesare mentioned and transfers to other MM.s, and notice of 'outings'--my word for a member when discharged from a MM. when they 'married. out' or broke rulessuch as drinking,etc. The single most helpful piece of info. for me---was to find out --among CREEK,OBLONG,PLEASANT VALLEY,AND STANFORD MM.s--- WHICH was 1st. which was formed next, etc. as more people moved into the area.Sometimes these changes somewhat paralled the formation of new political precincts-in Duchess Co. Carol, there is a centralized place for Quaker History. They can be paid to do library research. At this moment, I am blank on the place--it is at a univ. and I am thinking Rutgers-- but not sure. Try-Quaker-on the internet. There is MUCH. Charlotte J.Sheldon. On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: "NYS Quaker Meeting Group book" Charlotte, Where would I find this book? I am new to researching Quakers & I have a DICKINSON family John & wife Elizabeth buried in the Friends cemetery in Dutchess Co. John died in 1845. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Carol--Digging deeper!! Swarthmore College Friends Historical Library Swarthmore,PA 19081 TEL.610 328.8497 FAY,Loren V..Quaker Census of 1828. Frost, Josephine S.C.--Quaker Meeting Records.State of New York.has OblongMM, Nine PartnersMM, and some from CREEK MM--Removal Certificates. charlotte J.sheldon On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: "NYS Quaker Meeting Group book" Charlotte, Where would I find this book? I am new to researching Quakers & I have a DICKINSON family John & wife Elizabeth buried in the Friends cemetery in Dutchess Co. John died in 1845. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, Just found the formation dated list of MM's in Duchess Co.,NY 1742-OBLONG,Pawling [Quaker Hill] c.1742-Nine Partners-Mechanic-Washington --1750-Oswego-Union Vale--later in Stanford -1771-Creek-Clinton Corners 1771-Poughquag-Beekman,later Clove --1774-Branch-Dover -c.1778-Crum Elsow-Hyde Park 1790-Chestnut Ridge-Dover c.1790Little Nine Partners-Milan 1792-West Branch-LeGrange c.1795-Stanfordville-Stanford --1802Pleasant Valley-Pleasant Valley -1803-Beekman-Arthursburgh-LaGrange 1803-North East -Bethel-Pine Plains 1811-Poughkeepsie On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: "NYS Quaker Meeting Group book" Charlotte, Where would I find this book? I am new to researching Quakers & I have a DICKINSON family John & wife Elizabeth buried in the Friends cemetery in Dutchess Co. John died in 1845. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Carol, Now that the holiday weekend is over and my company has gone, I will focus on some suggestions concerning QUAKER research. Partly this depends on which century and partly on the location. "My' Quakers were first found in Westchaster Co.,NY. but had migrated from Long Island.There were Quaker meetings both in Long Island, New Amsterdam / New York City[ by 1657] ,and north in counties along the Hudson or in the Dutch, then British Manor holdings very early. The family in question was VAIL / Veale / Vale /etc.The first 2 gens. do not mention Quaker connections[1650 to 1695]. Gen.3 [1696--at least maybe 1722]- this gen.in Westchester [Town of Eastchester] were Presbyterian. However from notes about some of the children, three of 6 children have mentions Quaker affiliations and of migration to Duchess Co.,NY and affiliations with Monthly Meetings there [from here on called M.M.s] .These children were born in 1722,1724,and 1736. Earlier MM's in L.IS / NYC area were as early as1660 and 1671-on In New England- Puritan-shunned Quakers out of MA. but they were allowed in Rh.IS. by Roger Williams-another of my ancestors. So, some of my RH.IS. ancestors moved to Duchess Co. It was .inevitable' for a VAIL to marry a SHERMAN from R.IS. in D.CO., ,then a SHERMAN - daughter married a SMITH Quaker--and I am a GT-GR.Child from the last of the Smith Quakers in D.CO. and they were faithful to their deaths in 1883 and 1896.Most are buried in the Pleasant Valley / Quaker cemetery and I have visited there and teken some pictures. Quakers were NOT all buried there. It depended on the MM. you attended, where you owned land and lived, and the time-again. Because it is late and I am tired, I will list 2 or 3 sources I found most helpful, Carol. --Kelly,A. Marriage Notices from Duchess Co.Newspapers.1826-1851. Rhinebeck,NY ---DEATH V.R.s from CREEK MM. 1828-1916 [Crum Elbow District. ----Encyclopediaof American Quaker Gemealogy.by Hinshaw,W. I used VOL. 3: Records of Long Island and NYC,NY.--and 1827 Hicksite Census.****These were especially helpful because the early Duchess Co. families were listed in generally recognizable family groups---- IF they were HICKSITE. Mine WERE Hicksite. I cannot give information on the 'breakaway' group. ----On film from the F.H.Library in SLCity--are many listings of minutes from the MM.s I found these interesting to get a feeling about a general 'flow' of business over time. They might have info. pertinent to an ancestor, or not. Usually,marriagesare mentioned and transfers to other MM.s, and notice of 'outings'--my word for a member when discharged from a MM. when they 'married. out' or broke rulessuch as drinking,etc. The single most helpful piece of info. for me---was to find out --among CREEK,OBLONG,PLEASANT VALLEY,AND STANFORD MM.s--- WHICH was 1st. which was formed next, etc. as more people moved into the area.Sometimes these changes somewhat paralled the formation of new political precincts-in Duchess Co. Carol, there is a centralized place for Quaker History. They can be paid to do library research. At this moment, I am blank on the place--it is at a univ. and I am thinking Rutgers-- but not sure. Try-Quaker-on the internet. There is MUCH. Charlotte J.Sheldon. On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: "NYS Quaker Meeting Group book" Charlotte, Where would I find this book? I am new to researching Quakers & I have a DICKINSON family John & wife Elizabeth buried in the Friends cemetery in Dutchess Co. John died in 1845. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, There are no Wooley's listed the book "The Civil Sword" that I have. Thanks, Carol L. Heap

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WizenedWizard Surnames: Hoag Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9706.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Dutchess County Quaker ancestors were some of the many exiled to "Upper Canada" after the Revolution. They first settled in what is now Prince Edward County, then some migrated slightly north and west into what eventually became Northumberland County. There is a great deal of information on line regarding these folks. Another group of Loyalists were shipped out of New York to Nova Scotia/New Brunswick in 1783 on what is known as "The Spring Fleet". Thousands of people - some of them Quakers from up the Hudson River who had sought refuge in New York during the fighting - were among those exiled, so you might want to look at that part of Canada if you don't find your Hoag family in Ontario. A fact that seems to have been omitted from our US history lessons is that approximately 1/3 of the American colonists were pro-British during the war. Many of these were Friends (Quakers) who opposed war on moral/religious grounds or were just not "boat-rockers". When the British were defeated, these folks lost their farms. It was these exiled Loyalists who made up the vast majority of the first permanent settlers in what is now Ontario, Canada. In the 1800s, many descendants of these exiled folks began migrating west and south, back into the U.S. For those of us who descend from them, this is a fascinating piece of history. Of course the problem with researching anyone born or married around the time of the Revolution is that there was enough upheaval and unrest that few records were kept. It may be that your Hoags were just too busy providing for their own well-being, and the recordable facts of their lives just weren't written down anywhere. Best of luck in your search. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

There is a book about Loyalists who went to Canada, "The Civil Sword" James Delancey's Westchester Refugees 1776-1785. It lists a Hoag, ? -----V 74 --10, June, 1779- Listed as prisoner at Poughkeepsie. A Quaker preacher, of the Highlands of Westchester/Dutchess. He is listed under the Appendix III "Refugee Family Connections in NY" This is the only mention of HOAG in the book. It is a softcover book that was talked about on the e-list about a year ago and available online I believe. Thanks, Carol L. Heap

There is a William HOAG buried here at Forest Hill cemetery. Burial information says he was from Massachusetts. Born about 1919,died Dec. 1966 age 47. Buried in section H- lot 122. David, I can't give you specifics off-hand, but there were many Quaker families that relocated here to Niagara. Last week, I came across a few HOAG families from NY that did, while searching the 1851 Can-West (Ontario) census. My area of Niagara was a large Quaker establishment, and the census shows many claimed Quaker as their religion. From what I have read over the years, a few Quaker representatives would arrive before-hand to secure enough land for the families that wanted to come in. Once land was secured, they would return to the Colonies, and bring those families back to Canada with them. It's also my understanding that their reasons for immigrating varied, but mainly because of the persecution they had to deal with, being pacifists. Land confiscation, being taxed heavily compared to others, ridicule, etc.. The land they did receive here would have been in the form or a grant, or they would have received it very cheaply, which enticed many (not only Quakers) to emigrate. Th! e average grant, if available, was 200 acres. Mark ....you know you are addicted when you have traced your ancestral lines all the way back to Adam and Eve, have it fully documented, and still don't want to quit..... www.tribalpages.com/tribes/holeton Pam Holeton Piqua,Ohio Miami County www.findagrave.com currently working on Forest Hill cemetery and several surrounding cemeteries. www.myspace.com/pamelaholeton --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: markrf1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9706.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David, I can't give you specifics off-hand, but there were many Quaker families that relocated here to Niagara. Last week, I came across a few HOAG families from NY that did, while searching the 1851 Can-West (Ontario) census. My area of Niagara was a large Quaker establishment, and the census shows many claimed Quaker as their religion. From what I have read over the years, a few Quaker representatives would arrive before-hand to secure enough land for the families that wanted to come in. Once land was secured, they would return to the Colonies, and bring those families back to Canada with them. It's also my understanding that their reasons for immigrating varied, but mainly because of the persecution they had to deal with, being pacifists. Land confiscation, being taxed heavily compared to others, ridicule, etc.. The land they did receive here would have been in the form or a grant, or they would have received it very cheaply, which enticed many (not only Quakers) to emigrate. Th! e average grant, if available, was 200 acres. Mark Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DAVIDWOOLLEY38 Surnames: WOOLLEY WOOLEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9706/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Question: How prevalent was the departure of Quakers (and others) leaving Dutchess for Canada before, during or immediately after the Revolution? I would suspect there was a large number considering Quakers being pacifists (or Loyalists) and working mostly on lease farms with little or nothing to lose. This might explain why I cannot link to a generation of WOOLLEY's in the mid to late 1700's. My GGGGGrandfather was Able WOOLLEY who died in 1826 in Dutchess. I cannot locate his parents in Dutchess although they were reported to have lived there. I'm thinking they possibly relocated to Canada. How often did this happen in Dutchess? Comments please, Dave Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.