I just spent a very frustrating hour trying to reply at the Message Boards. They've made such a hash of it, I can't get on any longer - have something like 8 User Names and Passwords, which I thought I'd changed months ago, as well as just a couple of days ago!! Anyway, if these querents can access Heritage Quest online, as I can through my public library, I found that there are many early will probate indexes there. Gertrude Barber did a lot of that work in NY State, and her pages are filled with info. Often wives and children are named, as well as the administrator or administrators, with dates etc. Heritage is a valuable resource since I can't afford the Kinship books, though I'd love to research a few of them! Cheers! Jean

In the book Dutchess County Probate Records, thereis a listing for Miller, Jason, Stanford. Letters of Adminstration dtd 04.28.1838 Assigned to Matthias B., his son, Stanford (No Gordon) Go to SAMPUBCO.com where you can order this record online. Good luck. JoanF Sophie Gottemoller <gottemollers@gmail.com> wrote: If there is such a book in anyone's possession, may I infringe on this researchers question. I am looking for wills of Walter G. Rhodes or any Rhodes at all. Would really appreciate getting any such information. This family did not leave much of a paper trail, even with 11 sons of Walter G. My husband's ancestor was Nathan Rhodes. Others were Samuel, Ebenezer, Walter, William, Abel, James B. ,Richard, John, Daniel, Joseph, .Thank you in advance if you are able to check this out. Thanks again. Sophie On 3/30/08, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: jonathan1972 > Surnames: Miller > Classification: lookup > > Message Board URL: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9707/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Does anyone have access to the "Dutchess County, NY Probate > Records 1787-1865, Register of Wills and Letters Testamentary and of > Administration in the Surrogate's Office, Poughkeepsie NY"? If yes, could > you kindly look up whether there are entries for Jason Miller (born about > 1751, died 1835 in Stanford, Dutchess Co.) or Gurdon/Gerdon Miller (born > about 1760, died some time before 1841)? I would appreciate your assistance. > Thanks very much, Jonathan. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The book Dutchess Co. Probate Records lists Isaac Rhodes, sr. Date of will 5.20.1797. Phillipstown Joseph C. Rhodes, a creditor, P'k'psie City (will of E. A. Buttolph) Go to SAMPUBCO.com where many Dutchess Co Wills and Letters of Adminstration are listed on an index. Then you can order what you want online. Good Luck. JoanF Sophie Gottemoller <gottemollers@gmail.com> wrote: If there is such a book in anyone's possession, may I infringe on this researchers question. I am looking for wills of Walter G. Rhodes or any Rhodes at all. Would really appreciate getting any such information. This family did not leave much of a paper trail, even with 11 sons of Walter G. My husband's ancestor was Nathan Rhodes. Others were Samuel, Ebenezer, Walter, William, Abel, James B. ,Richard, John, Daniel, Joseph, .Thank you in advance if you are able to check this out. Thanks again. Sophie On 3/30/08, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: jonathan1972 > Surnames: Miller > Classification: lookup > > Message Board URL: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9707/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Does anyone have access to the "Dutchess County, NY Probate > Records 1787-1865, Register of Wills and Letters Testamentary and of > Administration in the Surrogate's Office, Poughkeepsie NY"? If yes, could > you kindly look up whether there are entries for Jason Miller (born about > 1751, died 1835 in Stanford, Dutchess Co.) or Gurdon/Gerdon Miller (born > about 1760, died some time before 1841)? I would appreciate your assistance. > Thanks very much, Jonathan. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to those of you who answered my email re: these 2 families. So far, have not seen any familiar names. Joy ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Houghtaling genealogy This is the way I have it so far, if there are any mistakes, please correct and let me know. Or add any dates, etc, that I may have left out. GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER ????? John E. Houghtaling wife, Hannah D. b. Dec 1809, d Dec 1880 These two are brothers........... GREAT GREAT UNCLE (a Civil War Veteran) John E. Houghtaling b 1843 Ulster Cty, NY, d. 1921 Parsons City, Labette Cty, Kansas wife, Catherine Clearwater GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER (May have been too young for Civil War service) Wesley Houghtaling b 1847 Kingston, Ulster Cty, NY, d. Feb 1918 wife, Belinda Schneider/Snyder b 1846 ? Marbletown d. Nov 1913 GREAT GRANDFATHER Edward A Houghtaling b 1870 Ulster Cty, NY, d 5 Jan 1932 Yonkers, Westchester Cty, NY wife, Mary Elizabeth Eighmey b July 1873, Ulster Cty, NY d. Jan 1866 Both are buried in Wyltwick Cem, Ulster Cty, NY GRANDFATHER Reginald Eighmey Houghtaling b. Nov 1901 Yonkers,Westchester Cty, NY d. Oct 1972 Charleston, Charleston Cty, SC wife, Madolene Graves Risk b.May 1905 Buchanan NY d. Sept 1991 Charleston, Charleston Cty, SC Joy Bold

Hi M. Kathleen, I don't think that Delia Ann Birch ever lived in NJ. She would probably have been living in Schaghticoke, Rensselaer County, when she was married to Tunis Fort about 1828. I have the names of her 11 children and where most of them were born. I do not have any Husted family members in my file. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Just a side-note on non-Quakers in Quaker cemetery. When I visited the one in Pleasant Valley in 1996, I foune two interesting 'differences'. One was that my Grandfather SMITH mattied 'out' to Elizabeth [BARLOW]. They had a son but Elizabeth died in a year or two. But she [a non-Quaker] is buried in the plot owned by my Quaker great-grandparents- Stephen H. ans Lydia S.[VAIL] SMITH. So,the grandparents were certainly not hard-hearted about this family tradegy. The second difference was a sign out front atating that "Spaces were available for public burials" or a statement to that effect. Charlotte J.Sheldon On Mar 26, 2008, at 6:19 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: You also don't have to be Quaker to be buried in a Quaker cemetery. One set of my grandparents are buried in the Friends Upton Lakes Cemetery in Clinton Corners--near the meetinghouse where they met at a grange dance. As I am just starting to look at this couple, I will keep that in mind. The DICKINSON's don't seem to have been Quakers but I haven't found much John & his Brother Joseph, (Joseph is my line) I am hoping to get back another generation from them. But Joseph is not being helpful at this time. Of course John's wife Elizabeth could have been Quaker, so that may be why they are buried in the Friends Cemetery. Did they allow you to marry outside of the church if the husband converted? Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Suzanne, Since I do not seem to have any other TRAVIS commections except as sister and brother-in-lae--may not have much for you bet am looking into my research-notes which have some overlap. These will NOT be very orderly because I am looking in variously- found notes,copied pages and sources,and family group sheets. I am NOT a typist,do not use a computer gen. program,so this takes time. 1-Locate the book Westchester Patriarchs by Norman DAVIS.Heritage Books.1988. SEE pp.240 and 241. I am missing those pages but top of 242 indicates 3 para.s about TRAVIS, but given -names are alpha. and on page 242 begin with two Roberts,Sarah,Silas,Thomas,Titus, and a William.For these, tha date ranges are 1665-1836. if those names-any- ring a bell, let me know.There is a possibly helpful note under Titus which states that in the Peekskill Library, there is an extensive 'catalog' of thier descendants. Also, I do not have the index to this book but remember that their were other page references to TRAVIS'-no doubt involving marrital connections,etc.. 2-In the BOOK Early Wills of Westchester Co,NY from 1664-1784---in the INDEX---are listed 19 references to TRAVIS. Many could be as witnesses -only a signature--but these often indicate a closeness to the family with the Will: This might provide clues that the Witness was a] a neighbor / friend b] a relative c] a member of the church-group to which both belong. Quakers OFTEN had other Quakers witness business dealings for them because they were trusted. There is one John TRAVIS listed but I did not copy that page. ---Before I add more, did you know that there were more than one VAIL branch and,if they were related, it was in England or before the Quaker movement came into N.AM..? One way to discern the two familiesin Westchester andDuchess Counties is-- if there is mention of men in the military after about 1730 ,perhaps even before.These were NOT Quakere ,who would opposed fighting to solve disputes. There suffered MUCH community abuse for this stand,of course. Many moved to Canada.They would and did offer relief to victims of was: For example, during the British seoge of New York City in the AM.REV. War--the Quakers often sent food and other supplies into the city to aid displaced people there. In town records, Quakers were credited for doing this. Do you have a date of marriage for John TRAVIS and Esther [VAIL]?I would like to have it.I have Esther-4- VAIL, born 1728 in Westchester Co.,NY died 1807 with no place of death. Esther is listed as child number 3 after brothers Aaron-4-who married Marthe [WARD] and Sampson-4- who married Sarah [WARREN],There was child No.4- Isaac-4-VAIL who married in Duchess Co. to Lydia [SHERMAN]. Aaron was married as Quaker in the NY Monthly Meeting in 1753. Bu. in Friends'Ground at or under auspices of--Nine Partners MM. in Duchess Co.,NY. -Sampson-Notes indicate he went to the Quaker Hill settlement in Duchess Co.,NY. Esther [VAIL] and JohnTRAVIS--no notes at least at this spot. ---Isaac went [eventually] to Oblong MM .Meeting in Duchess and bu.in Washington TWP. Duchss Co.,NY. There is a note without [my] obvious source-reference-- that the father Arthur ' went to TROY,NY.' NOTE; Arthur and wife were Presbyterian and she died in 1776 and Arthur 'a. 1771'] no places of death listed------ Suzanne--since parents OFTEN went with children in later years-and John and Esther TRAVIS -by me, anyway-- have not been found as QUAKER---whereas ALL the other three children were---would it make sense to look in the Troy area for John and Hannah and Hannah's mother and / or father,Arthur-3- VAIL? and perhaps in Presbyterian or other Protestant church records? Do you know for a fact that the TRAVIS family became Quaker, also? In your email,Suzanna, you stated, "childrens' births in Westchester, Pleasant Vattey." Please explain this to me because there is info. here new to me. Westchester is a county-as we know; as a TOWN -ship-it was organized in 1788. and it lies on Long Island Sound..The Village of Westcherter is part of that in the north part. [we are talking old-days,of course] Where is Pleasant Valley in Westchester Co.? I have not heard of one such there and do not find it. However, in Duchess Co.,there is a TWP. named Pleasant Valley. The villages or areas listed in WEST.Co. where I would be searching for TRAVIS are Rye,Mamaroneck,NY.and WHIT E PLAINS. People from RYE purchased White Plains in 1683:In 1720, it was divided among 41 proprietors and a TRAVIS was among these men. This info. from French's Gazzetter.1860. A Travis,Joseph-about the same age as John--is also named in French's on p.699 as one of four men who settled Peekskill,NY in 1764. In 1 1763 list of Freeholders in Duchess Co.,NY :,in Mamaroneck there is a John TRAVIS,Yeoman. A Daniel TRAVIS on Mar.24,1746 marries Amy [GRIFFEN] Her parents were Susannah [HAIGHT] and Richard Griffen b.1732.He moved to Upper Canada---ONTARIO,Can. today. He might have been one who left for reasons of persecution. In my Quaker SMITH's of Duchess Co.,NY there are no TRAVIS listed in the marriage records so I presume they attended Monthly Meetings in different parts of Duchess Co. from each other. All for today, Good luck, Charlotte J.Sheldon

Hi Richard, The Burch line married into the Husted line in Cumberland/Salem Counties, New Jersey. Some of those people came over from Dutchess County, NY. I have this RW person in my database: *Old Stone Church, Fairton NJ, 1780. North Plot beginning at Front* *p. 416 Burch Capt James Nov 22, 1755. Rev Soldier. Nov 22, 1820* *Thomas July 26, 1812. 64y* *Burch, Eliza Apr 27, 1894. 91y* *Husted, Seth B. Oct 10. 1835. Apr 4, 1901* *Frances wife. Oct 18, 1841. Sep 11, 1877* I have a couple of others - but they are contemporary to your Adelia. Kathie On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Richard Hayes <RichardAHayes@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > I have been trying to find the parents of Delia Ann Birch for some time. I > have also seen her name as Adelia Burch. She was supposedly born in Dutchess > County about 1803. She was 77 in the 1880 Census. She died in Galway, > Saratoga County in 1887. Delia married Tunis Fort about 1827 in > Schaghticoke, Rensselaer County. Tunis Fort died in Providence, Saratoga > County on 23 Feb 1851. In early 1855 Delia moved her family to Fulton > County. Does anyone have any information on Delia's parents? > > Richard > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- M. Kathleen Felsted mkfelsted@gmail.com

Hello All, I have been trying to find the parents of Delia Ann Birch for some time. I have also seen her name as Adelia Burch. She was supposedly born in Dutchess County about 1803. She was 77 in the 1880 Census. She died in Galway, Saratoga County in 1887. Delia married Tunis Fort about 1827 in Schaghticoke, Rensselaer County. Tunis Fort died in Providence, Saratoga County on 23 Feb 1851. In early 1855 Delia moved her family to Fulton County. Does anyone have any information on Delia's parents? Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dterrell1964 Surnames: Terrill Terrell Terrel Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/836.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It's been 10 years since you posted this --- I am a descendant of the up-state NY clan and can trace backward to Peter Sr. Having problems with the migration from Dutchess-Westchester-Schoharie, however may have located the elusive Mrs Peter Terrell (b. 1719) in the process. Trying to verify the Terrill-Terrell link link you were seeking and more than willing to exchange info. Doug Terrell (dterrell1964@yahoo.com) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Some 1849 Marriages Surnames: Savage - Vassar - Tucker - Townsend - Cornwell - Bogardus - Fraleigh - Cookingham - Stoutenburgh - Vanderburgh - Leroy - Filkins - Lummus - Decker - Snyder - Hoffman - Platt - Moon - Williams - Pine - Lytle - Roberts - Reynolds - Chapman http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/dutchess/webbbs/queries/index.cgi?read=3742 Hope these help someone. Ginny

Thank you Linda. I don't really know anything about the Quakers, except that Elizabeth & John DICKINSON are buried in the Friends ground in Poughkeepsie. I have much to learn. Thanks, Carol L. Heap

They could also be accepted back into their meeting but admitting their sin and asking forgiveness. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ Providing creative solutions to individual estate planning & estate administration problems, leading to quality historical & genealogical research to benefit the grandchildren & future generations ----- Original Message ---- From: Linda C. Koehler <lckoehlr@optonline.net> To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:02:36 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS Hi Carol, If John Dickinson was not Quaker when he married Elizabeth (assuming she was Quaker at the time), there is no way they could have been married in a Quaker ceremony; it just wasn't done. They would have had a civil ceremony, or maybe were married by a minister who did not object to mixed marriages. So by definition, Elizabeth would have married "contrary to discipline", meaning, she did not follow the rules. She would have been approached by a committee of women about her actions, and it was probably fairly automatic that she would be "disowned" as a member in good standing. This would all appear in the minutes of the Quaker meeting that she belonged to. If John Dickinson wished to become a Quaker after he married, there would be nothing stopping him. He just has to convince the meeting that he is sincere in his conversion, as would anyone joining the Quakers or any other church. If she wanted to rejoin her Quaker meeting, Elizabeth would still have to go through a formal process of requesting that she be received back into the meeting, including a public condemnation of her actions (oral or written depending on the time period) in marrying contrary to discipline. This condemnation was for the act of rule-breaking; it didn't affect the "legality" of the marriage itself, and it didn't depend on her husband becoming Quaker or not. If the meeting accepts Elizabeth's regret and apologies, etc, then they will receive her back as a member. Elizabeth, or anyone else who was disowned or was a non-member, could still quietly attend Quaker meetings if they wished, and of course, they could live by Quaker principles. They just couldn't take part in the official business of the meeting and they weren't mentioned in the records. I have gone through the records of the Oswego Monthly Meeting in some detail. From this - and from info in other Quaker meetings - it seems to me that when a person who had been disowned as a Quaker (for "marrying out" or some other offense) requested to be received back as a member in good standing, it often happened in the context of a move. The family might be moving someplace else, or at least moving within the limits of a different Quaker meeting. If someone wanted to join that new meeting, they had to clear up any business they had with their old meeting, because they needed a removal certificate to give to the new meeting. As far as I remember, such a request was seldom denied, even if it was made many years after the original disownment. I'm talking 19th century and earlier Quaker practice here. The earlier in time we go, the more strict the standards; the later in time we go - say, the later 19th century and the 20th century, the more flexibility was allowed. Linda At 03:01 AM 3/27/2008, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Quakers in Duchess County,NYS (cheap@simon.com) > > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:19:57 -0400 >From: cheap@simon.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS >To: nydutche@rootsweb.com ><skip> >As I am just starting to look at this couple, I will keep that in mind. >The DICKINSON's don't seem to have been Quakers but I haven't found much >John & his Brother Joseph, (Joseph is my line) I am hoping to get back >another generation from them. But Joseph is not being helpful at this >time. Of course John's wife Elizabeth could have been Quaker, so that may >be why they are buried in the Friends Cemetery. Did they allow you to >marry outside of the church if the husband converted? > >Thanks, >Carol L. Heap >FL > >------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, If John Dickinson was not Quaker when he married Elizabeth (assuming she was Quaker at the time), there is no way they could have been married in a Quaker ceremony; it just wasn't done. They would have had a civil ceremony, or maybe were married by a minister who did not object to mixed marriages. So by definition, Elizabeth would have married "contrary to discipline", meaning, she did not follow the rules. She would have been approached by a committee of women about her actions, and it was probably fairly automatic that she would be "disowned" as a member in good standing. This would all appear in the minutes of the Quaker meeting that she belonged to. If John Dickinson wished to become a Quaker after he married, there would be nothing stopping him. He just has to convince the meeting that he is sincere in his conversion, as would anyone joining the Quakers or any other church. If she wanted to rejoin her Quaker meeting, Elizabeth would still have to go through a formal process of requesting that she be received back into the meeting, including a public condemnation of her actions (oral or written depending on the time period) in marrying contrary to discipline. This condemnation was for the act of rule-breaking; it didn't affect the "legality" of the marriage itself, and it didn't depend on her husband becoming Quaker or not. If the meeting accepts Elizabeth's regret and apologies, etc, then they will receive her back as a member. Elizabeth, or anyone else who was disowned or was a non-member, could still quietly attend Quaker meetings if they wished, and of course, they could live by Quaker principles. They just couldn't take part in the official business of the meeting and they weren't mentioned in the records. I have gone through the records of the Oswego Monthly Meeting in some detail. From this - and from info in other Quaker meetings - it seems to me that when a person who had been disowned as a Quaker (for "marrying out" or some other offense) requested to be received back as a member in good standing, it often happened in the context of a move. The family might be moving someplace else, or at least moving within the limits of a different Quaker meeting. If someone wanted to join that new meeting, they had to clear up any business they had with their old meeting, because they needed a removal certificate to give to the new meeting. As far as I remember, such a request was seldom denied, even if it was made many years after the original disownment. I'm talking 19th century and earlier Quaker practice here. The earlier in time we go, the more strict the standards; the later in time we go - say, the later 19th century and the 20th century, the more flexibility was allowed. Linda At 03:01 AM 3/27/2008, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Quakers in Duchess County,NYS (cheap@simon.com) > > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:19:57 -0400 >From: cheap@simon.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS >To: nydutche@rootsweb.com ><skip> >As I am just starting to look at this couple, I will keep that in mind. >The DICKINSON's don't seem to have been Quakers but I haven't found much >John & his Brother Joseph, (Joseph is my line) I am hoping to get back >another generation from them. But Joseph is not being helpful at this >time. Of course John's wife Elizabeth could have been Quaker, so that may >be why they are buried in the Friends Cemetery. Did they allow you to >marry outside of the church if the husband converted? > >Thanks, >Carol L. Heap >FL > >------------------------------

Great discription of Quaker marriage practices. I agree with everything you wrote, but could never have written it so clearly. Robert Akin ----- Original Message ---- From: Linda C. Koehler <lckoehlr@optonline.net> To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:02:36 AM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS Hi Carol, If John Dickinson was not Quaker when he married Elizabeth (assuming she was Quaker at the time), there is no way they could have been married in a Quaker ceremony; it just wasn't done. They would have had a civil ceremony, or maybe were married by a minister who did not object to mixed marriages. So by definition, Elizabeth would have married "contrary to discipline", meaning, she did not follow the rules. She would have been approached by a committee of women about her actions, and it was probably fairly automatic that she would be "disowned" as a member in good standing. This would all appear in the minutes of the Quaker meeting that she belonged to. If John Dickinson wished to become a Quaker after he married, there would be nothing stopping him. He just has to convince the meeting that he is sincere in his conversion, as would anyone joining the Quakers or any other church. If she wanted to rejoin her Quaker meeting, Elizabeth would still have to go through a formal process of requesting that she be received back into the meeting, including a public condemnation of her actions (oral or written depending on the time period) in marrying contrary to discipline. This condemnation was for the act of rule-breaking; it didn't affect the "legality" of the marriage itself, and it didn't depend on her husband becoming Quaker or not. If the meeting accepts Elizabeth's regret and apologies, etc, then they will receive her back as a member. Elizabeth, or anyone else who was disowned or was a non-member, could still quietly attend Quaker meetings if they wished, and of course, they could live by Quaker principles. They just couldn't take part in the official business of the meeting and they weren't mentioned in the records. I have gone through the records of the Oswego Monthly Meeting in some detail. From this - and from info in other Quaker meetings - it seems to me that when a person who had been disowned as a Quaker (for "marrying out" or some other offense) requested to be received back as a member in good standing, it often happened in the context of a move. The family might be moving someplace else, or at least moving within the limits of a different Quaker meeting. If someone wanted to join that new meeting, they had to clear up any business they had with their old meeting, because they needed a removal certificate to give to the new meeting. As far as I remember, such a request was seldom denied, even if it was made many years after the original disownment. I'm talking 19th century and earlier Quaker practice here. The earlier in time we go, the more strict the standards; the later in time we go - say, the later 19th century and the 20th century, the more flexibility was allowed. Linda At 03:01 AM 3/27/2008, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Quakers in Duchess County,NYS (cheap@simon.com) > > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:19:57 -0400 >From: cheap@simon.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS >To: nydutche@rootsweb.com ><skip> >As I am just starting to look at this couple, I will keep that in mind. >The DICKINSON's don't seem to have been Quakers but I haven't found much >John & his Brother Joseph, (Joseph is my line) I am hoping to get back >another generation from them. But Joseph is not being helpful at this >time. Of course John's wife Elizabeth could have been Quaker, so that may >be why they are buried in the Friends Cemetery. Did they allow you to >marry outside of the church if the husband converted? > >Thanks, >Carol L. Heap >FL > >------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Barbara, I would love to have these photos! Thank you for offering them. My address is doriswh@gmail.com. Many thanks, Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <nydutche-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: [NYDUTCHE] Quaker meetinghouse > If anyone else would like the pictures of the Creek Meeting House in > Clinton Corners, send me your private e-mail and I will forward them on. > I sent them to Carol last night. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > Providing creative solutions to individual > estate planning & estate administration problems, > leading to quality historical & genealogical research > to benefit the grandchildren & future generations > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"If anyone else would like the pictures of the Creek Meeting House in Clinton Corners, send me your private e-mail and I will forward them on." Barbara, Greetings in good ol' Hackensack. Please send me your pic(s) of the Creek house. Pretty sure I had ancestors attending there for a while, Regards, Rick Paddock rick2920@msn.com

You also don't have to be Quaker to be buried in a Quaker cemetery. One set of my grandparents are buried in the Friends Upton Lakes Cemetery in Clinton Corners--near the meetinghouse where they met at a grange dance. As I am just starting to look at this couple, I will keep that in mind. The DICKINSON's don't seem to have been Quakers but I haven't found much John & his Brother Joseph, (Joseph is my line) I am hoping to get back another generation from them. But Joseph is not being helpful at this time. Of course John's wife Elizabeth could have been Quaker, so that may be why they are buried in the Friends Cemetery. Did they allow you to marry outside of the church if the husband converted? Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL

If anyone else would like the pictures of the Creek Meeting House in Clinton Corners, send me your private e-mail and I will forward them on. I sent them to Carol last night. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ Providing creative solutions to individual estate planning & estate administration problems, leading to quality historical & genealogical research to benefit the grandchildren & future generations

You also don't have to be Quaker to be buried in a Quaker cemetery. One set of my grandparents are buried in the Friends Upton Lakes Cemetery in Clinton Corners--near the meetinghouse where they met at a grange dance. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: C J Sheldon <cjsheldonim@gmail.com> To: nydutche@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:04:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Quakers in Duchess County,NYS Dear Carol, Now that the holiday weekend is over and my company has gone, I will focus on some suggestions concerning QUAKER research. Partly this depends on which century and partly on the location. "My' Quakers were first found in Westchaster Co.,NY. but had migrated from Long Island.There were Quaker meetings both in Long Island, New Amsterdam / New York City[ by 1657] ,and north in counties along the Hudson or in the Dutch, then British Manor holdings very early. The family in question was VAIL / Veale / Vale /etc.The first 2 gens. do not mention Quaker connections[1650 to 1695]. Gen.3 [1696--at least maybe 1722]- this gen.in Westchester [Town of Eastchester] were Presbyterian. However from notes about some of the children, three of 6 children have mentions Quaker affiliations and of migration to Duchess Co.,NY and affiliations with Monthly Meetings there [from here on called M.M.s] .These children were born in 1722,1724,and 1736. Earlier MM's in L.IS / NYC area were as early as1660 and 1671-on In New England- Puritan-shunned Quakers out of MA. but they were allowed in Rh.IS. by Roger Williams-another of my ancestors. So, some of my RH.IS. ancestors moved to Duchess Co. It was .inevitable' for a VAIL to marry a SHERMAN from R.IS. in D.CO., ,then a SHERMAN - daughter married a SMITH Quaker--and I am a GT-GR.Child from the last of the Smith Quakers in D.CO. and they were faithful to their deaths in 1883 and 1896.Most are buried in the Pleasant Valley / Quaker cemetery and I have visited there and teken some pictures. Quakers were NOT all buried there. It depended on the MM. you attended, where you owned land and lived, and the time-again. Because it is late and I am tired, I will list 2 or 3 sources I found most helpful, Carol. --Kelly,A. Marriage Notices from Duchess Co.Newspapers.1826-1851. Rhinebeck,NY ---DEATH V.R.s from CREEK MM. 1828-1916 [Crum Elbow District. ----Encyclopediaof American Quaker Gemealogy.by Hinshaw,W. I used VOL. 3: Records of Long Island and NYC,NY.--and 1827 Hicksite Census.****These were especially helpful because the early Duchess Co. families were listed in generally recognizable family groups---- IF they were HICKSITE. Mine WERE Hicksite. I cannot give information on the 'breakaway' group. ----On film from the F.H.Library in SLCity--are many listings of minutes from the MM.s I found these interesting to get a feeling about a general 'flow' of business over time. They might have info. pertinent to an ancestor, or not. Usually,marriagesare mentioned and transfers to other MM.s, and notice of 'outings'--my word for a member when discharged from a MM. when they 'married. out' or broke rulessuch as drinking,etc. The single most helpful piece of info. for me---was to find out --among CREEK,OBLONG,PLEASANT VALLEY,AND STANFORD MM.s--- WHICH was 1st. which was formed next, etc. as more people moved into the area.Sometimes these changes somewhat paralled the formation of new political precincts-in Duchess Co. Carol, there is a centralized place for Quaker History. They can be paid to do library research. At this moment, I am blank on the place--it is at a univ. and I am thinking Rutgers-- but not sure. Try-Quaker-on the internet. There is MUCH. Charlotte J.Sheldon. On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:42 AM, cheap@simon.com wrote: "NYS Quaker Meeting Group book" Charlotte, Where would I find this book? I am new to researching Quakers & I have a DICKINSON family John & wife Elizabeth buried in the Friends cemetery in Dutchess Co. John died in 1845. Thanks, Carol L. Heap FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message