I am again going to ask politely that this issue be taken off the list. Susan, if you have a problem, direct it to me, personally. As far as there being a conflict, you are absolutely correct that the Dutch-colonies list is not advertized appropriately, but that is not my problem -- it is an issue you need to take up with the listowner of the Dutch-Colonies list and Rootsweb, not with NYDutch-L. If you will notice, I have added a tag line to the end of the NYDutch-L mailings directing members to the Dutch-Colonies list should they so desire. People who have ancestors who either have not been researched as far back as the 1600-1700s or whose immigrant ancestor arrived after 1800 certainly do have a place on this list and will always be welcome. I think at this point, people are able to discern their needs and able to make their own decisions as to which list is the more appropriate for them. There are bound to be cross-over areas, like the meanings of names, etc -- that didn't change just because our ancestors immigrated later rather than earlier. But, that also doesn't mean that all the so-called experts on the Dutch-Colonies list have a corner on the market on helping others. My own lines immigrated in the 1840's and 1850's, but I can trace them back to the Netherlands before 1600. Dutch-Colonies can not, nor never did help me when I joined that list 4 years ago, since it is directed at Colonial AMERICA, not the Netherlands. I have written to the Listowner, Holly, in an attempt to create a dialog between us and have made a few constructive suggestions on how we can proceed and co-exist. I understand she is not very good about answering her e-mail. I have made every effort to be fair and accomodating to the minority of people from the Dutch-Colonies list that seem to think I am usurping their potential members or trying to take over their "territory". I assure you this is not the case, nor ever was. Please do not carry this discussion any further on the list. Again, the issue is with the lack of advertizing that Dutch-Colonies receives from Rootsweb and at the behest of it's listowner, Holly. Any other discussion of this "problem" as you see it, should be handled on that list or by the listowner and not bother the NYDutch-L list. I am willing to help in anyway I can, but the new list is going to stay as is. Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusanS373@aol.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 21 May, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] Re:Misleading about this list > Well, I think there IS an issue at hand here. I do not disagree that there > may be a need for both lists NYDUTCH and DUTCH-COLONIES but if I were just > starting out I'd say neither by their names really give me a clue as to their > fine-lined focus. Add to that the point made by several that the > DUTCH-COLONIES list is not really easily located at Rootsweb. If I were > setting out to do research on ancestors that I *thought* were Dutch and > *thought* may have been from NY I would probably find the NYDUTCH list. It is > doubtful that I'd be looking under MISC. which is where the DUTCH-COLONIES > list is located. > > For those who KNOW their ancestors came after 1800 the NYDUTCH may serve a > purpose but already it appears that many of the queries on this list are > about mysteries that may be better addressed on the DUTCH-COLONIES list. (and > by all appearance most likely link to earlier Dutch, German Palatine etc. > ancestors of the Dutch-Colonies). I really feel that in some cases some of > the subscribers on this list would be better helped on the DC list., in that > it is clear that they don't really know for sure that their ancestors came > after 1800. > > So for those who are not sure, the answers may very well be found on the DC > list. By the 1800s many of the earlier Dutch and German names evolved to > various spellings and pronunciations By now those on the DC list have seen > these variations and can probably offer clues as to the original emigrant > ancestor. Also by the 1800s many who settled in NJ made their way to NY with > a permutation of the original name which can be misleading (infering that > they just arrived from another country). > > I have no stake regarding either list but would like to see all find the list > that can help them the most! :-) > > Susan > > > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >