Hi Sue, Have you located Juliza Cook for sure in each or any of the later census years yet, so you know more conclusively about the family for whom you are looking? Have you obtained a copy of Juliza Cook's actual marriage record from the county where she married? I'm not yet particularly familiar with NY records available, but if you can locate a copy of the marriage license application it should have a great deal of the information you need such as her full name, her birthdate and place, her parents' names, and more. If you haven't already found it, you might want to explore the link below not only for online records but to learn about what paper records are available county to county,either at the courthouses or in the archives. If the family on the 1850 census is the right one, I wouldn't be at all surprised to eventually discover that the Sarah Cook, age 2, may actually be Juliza. It isn't at all uncommon to find people called by their middle name their whole life, especially when there's an older person in the family with the same name; but their official records are all under the first name. It's just one more thing to exasperate us researchers...one more thing to make it even more interesting and worthwhile to solve the puzzle. Diane. Sue Martin wrote: >Hi, > >My gr-grandmother was NY Dutch, and her name was Juliza Cook, which originally was >supposedly spelled Koch. She claimed to be born in 1849 in Granville, Washington >County, NY, but she's not on the 1850 census. She married John J. Turner in 1865 in >North Adams, Berkshire, MA, so I suspect she lied about her age and was actually >born in the last half of 1850. Witness to her will in 1904 was an Oscar Cook who >might be her brother. I found an Oscar D. Cook born 1842 in Granville, NY to Daniel >Cook and Sarah Lee. He m. 1873 in Salem, Washington, NY Alcesta Sevia Williams. > >The 1850 census for Granville shows: > >Chester Lee, 38 >Sarah Cook, 34 >Oscar Cook, 6 >May or Mary Cook, 4 >Sarah Cook, 2 >Seneca Milan [looks like], 16, farmer. > >I suspect that Chester Lee was Sarah's brother, and have no idea what happened to >Sarah's husband Daniel Cook. If he died before the census date, Juliza could still >have been born soon afterwards. > >I have not been able to find parents for Daniel Cook [born about 1816, the year his >wife was born]. I don't know the year of emigration, either, but know there were >VanderKoeks in Cooks Corner, Franklin, NY and Cohoes, Albany, NY and Vandercooks in >Cooksborough, Rensselaer, NY early on. Sarah and Chester Lee may possibly have been >Seneca Indians. > >My grandmother's name was Margaret Nathalia Turner, so I'm looking for a Nathalia >Koch/Vandercook that might connect to this family. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks, Sue Martin > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Thanks, Diane, You're right - the most important thing for me to find is the 1860 census for Granville and Salem NY, both in Washington County. She married in Berkshire County MA in 1865, but they recorded only their names and the year, so I don't even have an exact marriage date for them. Their first child was born in 1866, but that birth isn't recorded, either. They do show up in the 1870 census for Adams, Berkshire, MA, and that shows her born 1849 in Granville NY. NY did not have to keep records until 1880, so my only hope is to find the 1860 census or a church record of her birth. So far I haven't found her in any of the Dutch churches, or in any other church in the area. I'm curious about what churches these Germans tended to join once they began to spread out away from the Dutch colonies, or how far they were willing to travel to attend the DRC once they moved away from that community. Also, what were the primary areas of settlement for them in upstate NY in the early and mid 1800's? If Daniel Cook was the emigrant, was there much emigration taking place in upstate NY in about the 1830's, and if so, where would they have settled first? One more question I have - Juliza bought a farm with her own money, and owned all the livestock and farm equipment. Her husband owned nothing at all. Was this a common situation with the NY Dutch??? Her husband, John Turner, was of 1600's English descent, and normally their wives were even considered their property, so I find this quite unusual. Anyone have any thoughts on that? Thanks, Sue Martin genmail@1st.net wrote: > > Hi Sue, > > Have you located Juliza Cook for sure in each or any of the later census > years yet, so you know more conclusively about the family for whom you > are looking? > > Have you obtained a copy of Juliza Cook's actual marriage record from > the county where she married? I'm not yet particularly familiar with NY > records available, but if you can locate a copy of the marriage license > application it should have a great deal of the information you need such > as her full name, her birthdate and place, her parents' names, and more. > > If you haven't already found it, you might want to explore the link > below not only for online records but to learn about what paper records > are available county to county,either at the courthouses or in the > archives. > > If the family on the 1850 census is the right one, I wouldn't be at all > surprised to eventually discover that the Sarah Cook, age 2, may > actually be Juliza. It isn't at all uncommon to find people called by > their middle name their whole life, especially when there's an older > person in the family with the same name; but their official records are > all under the first name. It's just one more thing to exasperate us > researchers...one more thing to make it even more interesting and > worthwhile to solve the puzzle. > > Diane. > > Sue Martin wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >My gr-grandmother was NY Dutch, and her name was Juliza Cook, which originally was > >supposedly spelled Koch. She claimed to be born in 1849 in Granville, Washington > >County, NY, but she's not on the 1850 census. She married John J. Turner in 1865 in > >North Adams, Berkshire, MA, so I suspect she lied about her age and was actually > >born in the last half of 1850. Witness to her will in 1904 was an Oscar Cook who > >might be her brother. I found an Oscar D. Cook born 1842 in Granville, NY to Daniel > >Cook and Sarah Lee. He m. 1873 in Salem, Washington, NY Alcesta Sevia Williams. > > > >The 1850 census for Granville shows: > > > >Chester Lee, 38 > >Sarah Cook, 34 > >Oscar Cook, 6 > >May or Mary Cook, 4 > >Sarah Cook, 2 > >Seneca Milan [looks like], 16, farmer. > > > >I suspect that Chester Lee was Sarah's brother, and have no idea what happened to > >Sarah's husband Daniel Cook. If he died before the census date, Juliza could still > >have been born soon afterwards. > > > >I have not been able to find parents for Daniel Cook [born about 1816, the year his > >wife was born]. I don't know the year of emigration, either, but know there were > >VanderKoeks in Cooks Corner, Franklin, NY and Cohoes, Albany, NY and Vandercooks in > >Cooksborough, Rensselaer, NY early on. Sarah and Chester Lee may possibly have been > >Seneca Indians. > > > >My grandmother's name was Margaret Nathalia Turner, so I'm looking for a Nathalia > >Koch/Vandercook that might connect to this family. > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, Sue Martin