Richard, I also have this John Oliver who was the 1st spouse of Tryntje Pieterse Borsboom but I haven't been able to attach him to any other Oliver family. Do you know of any other children for this couple other than their dau Margrietje b. 1706 who m. Pieter Martens Van Benthuysen? Cynthia In a message dated 01/24/2004 7:38:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, RAHayes@chartermi.net writes: << Hi Lisa, I do not have much on Olivers or Ketchums, but I would like to know more about both families. I have a John Oliver, born ca 1680, who married Tryntje Boorsboom. She was the d/o Pieter Jacobse Borsboom. I also have a Phebe Ketchum who married Nanning Visscher about 1830. She was born 7 Sep 1807 in Saratoga County, NY. Richard From the Shores of Grand Traverse Bay >>