Hi Cathy: There are several fragmented family groups known under the name of SCHOUTEN (the name also can appear as SCOUTEN) among the earliest Dutch records that I personally have within my reach. They stray from Albany to Staten Island to Half Moon and one or more appears to have migrated to Millstone NJ. And there are a number of points in between in NY that Schoutens appeared at one time or another. There are 2 different families plus Adrian Schouten, with generally accepted identifications. But they do not appear to be related to each other in any direct lineage at least, father to son, and so forth. The man I have been most interested in, and frustrated with, has been Adrian Schouten. He appears on tax lists as early as 1706 identified and generally accepted as the man named Arria Scoutt, age 30 in Staten Island. Ary/Arie and Arria are all acceptable variant nicknames for Adrian as far as I can tell. It seems that no one yet knows exactly who Adrian Schouten is. In the NYGBS Record Volume 116, Number: 1 (January 1985) one of the Schouten articles written by Kenn Stryker-Rodda addresses Adrian Schouten. The article is short and stipulates that Adrian is apparently unrelated to either of the Schouten families studied. (Those other 2 were Jan Lucas Schouten and Symon Schouten.) Adrian is married between 1706 and 1711 to Maria Van Pelt daughter of Anthony Teunisse Van Pelt and Lena Joosten (Brooklyn Dutch Reformed Church Records.) And the final statement in the NYGBS Article is that "nothing further has been found about Adrian". Sounds somewhat hopeless. I suppose the date range used in the article is determined by the information that placed Ary as a single man of 30 in 1706 and when he next appears as a sponsor to Baptism in 1711 Port Richmond NY. Staten Island Church Records FHLbook Helena RYCHEN d/o Ryck RYCKEN & Elisabeth SWAIM christened on 23 Oct 1711 Port Richmond, Richmond Co, NY Witnesses: Adrien SCHOUTEN & Marytje (VAN PELT) SCHOUTEN Author: Teunis G. Bergen Title: Register in alphabetical order, of the early settlers of Kings County, Long Island, N.Y But I have good reason to believe Adrian Schouten is the father of Anthony Scout of Warminster Bucks County, PA, and therefore is very likely a direct ancestor of mine. Ary and his wife appear as sponsors to baptism of Anthony's first child Lena (Elinor). Low Dutch Reformed Church at Neshaminy & Bensalem 1736, 27 Oct: Lena, child of Aentone SCHOTTEEN & Marytye KREBEN witnesses: Ari SCHOUTEN & his wife Actually Adrian and Anthony both appear as early as 1732 in deed records in Warminster Twp., Bucks Co. PA. And there is other evidence to back up the Bucks County migration. But back to New York...The Van Pelt geneaogy research contends that Adrian Schouten married Maria Van Pelt mentioned above and states that they did move to Bucks Co., PA. I have not been able to find any actual marriage banns or record of marriage for Adrian and Maria in New York (or New Jersey.) And there you have it! I have stumbled over a mention or 2 of this Von Schouten or Van Schouten as well. I would appreciate it if you might be able to relocate those references for me when you have time. I have also found several other "orphaned" Schouten's throughout references in the early New Netherlands records but nothing seems to click. The earliest official record that I have seen for anyone named Schouten is 1640. Baptisms of New Amsterdam Reformed Dutch Church 1639-1730. 1640 Sep 09; Pieter Cornelis; Willem; Everadrus Bogardus, Willem Schouten, Maritje Jans, Maritje Thymens But then Willem Schouten seems to fall off of the face of the earth. I have been very curious who this Willem Schouten is and how he related to the child, Willem, or Pieter Cornelis, the father. Care to venture a guess or take a stab at which family Pieter Cornelis belongs to? I won't hold you to it. Any reasonable guess is as good as anything I can come up with. I have lately been trying to determine if there is some patronymic association to Adrian Schouten and the only one that continues to come up remotely possible is among the WILLEM ADRIANSE BENNET family. But there is even disagreement there. In one place I found the following of Adriaen Bennett married to a Maria Van Pelt, but she is supposedly the daughter of Wouter Tunis Van Pelt and Marytje Janse Schaers by their determination: Children of Jan Bennet and Femmetje Rapalie: +1. Ariaen/Adriaen bp 7 June 1697 Brooklyn NY; supposedly married (1) Maria Van Pelt; daughter of Wouter Tunis Van Pelt and Marytje Janse Schaers; married (2) Grietje (unknown). 2. Joris bp 28 Aug 1698 Flatbush NY; married Sarah Dorland; daughter of Rem Dorland and Annetje Snedeker. 3. Jeromus/Hieronemus bp 1 Apr 1700 Brooklyn NY; died 20 Mar 1785 Oyster Bay NY; married Neeltje Hoogland; daughter of Willem Hoogland and Neeltje Reyersen. 4. Annetje. 5. Phebe born 24 Apr 1706 NY; married 27 Nov 1724 Daniel Voorhees born 7 Dec 1701; son of Cornelis Voorhees and Antje Rapalie. 6. Johannes married Sarah Luyster; daughter of Peter Luyster. 7. Catharine married Elbert Hoogland bp 18 Oct 1705 Jamaica NY DRC. 8. Angenietje married 22 Apr 1737 (supposedly) Rem Vanderbeek. Then another reference has this: MAGDALENA JOOSTEN Baptised: 2 Nov. 1679 at: Reformed Dutch Church of Flatbush Witnesses: Wynant Petersen and wife, Janetie Aukes V. Nuys Spouse: prob. ISAAC BENNET Married: abt. 1697 Parents: Adriaen Willemse and Annetie Jans Van Dyck Born: abt. 1674 at: prob. New Utrecht Children: 1. ARIE BENNET, was bap. 7 Aug. 1698 at the Reformed Dutch Church of Brooklyn. Wit.: Aria Bennet and Angenietje, his wife. He mar. as his first wife MARIA VAN PELT, who was a dau. of Wouter Theunise Van Pelt. He mar. as his second wife JANE GRIGGS, who was a dau. of Benjamin Griggs and Margrietje Van Driest. One of these 2 references was from Distinguished Families in America Descended From Silgelmus Beekman and Jan Thomasse Van Dyke. The other was a BENNETT genealogy. The dates of both of these purported lineages make me suspect of the ID on Arie BENNETT. More on this Andrian Schouten dihlemma later. I have to gather my sources and I can fill you in on more of the early New Netherlands Schouten references. Thanks so much for your interest. Hope to hear from you soon. I appreciate having anyone to toss this around with, as it is driving me to obsession and no one else seems to be touching on the Schouten lineage! Best regards, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Collier [mailto:Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:10 PM To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYDUTCH] Fw: Virginia Jones re Scouten Reposted to list -- read on: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Livingston" <emlivingston@worldnet.att.net> To: <Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, 05 February, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Virginia Jones re Scouten > I am not sure how to handle this but will send this back re Cathy: > Thank you, Virginia, for your reply. I had read somewhere that > Theodorus (great name with Morris!) was later in Saratoga Springs , > but thought him a widower . Did not know that Gyellettye was still > with him. Martha Usher was their daughter, a widow at that time living with > her parents. She later married Samuel Mills, I believe in Rome where > they lived until they moved back to Lowville where Samuel had grown up, and had > married first Emily Foote. Samuel and Martha (Maria Morris) were my great > grandpaerents. Their daughter, Althina Gillette Mills, my grandmother, > stated she did not want any children named after her! She married John > Franklin Murch; My father was Edwin Randall Murch. I know nothing else about > the Scoutens (except that there were several in the Half Moon > district: Hugh, Andrew, David and others who could be G's father. But > I have not been > able to find out anything more. The town of Half Moon is no more and > I find > NY resoures not easy. The Mills came from Windsor, CT in the 1600's, > and tracing their line fun. Especially as I lived right nearby till > this year.I > noted in some research that there were Van - or von Scoutens down the river > (name changed in one church) Only early note was listing a servant arriving > in NYC for a Scouten. I haven't looked at this stuff for years and > have trouble finding things now that I have moved. Do tell me what you > know about > the Scoutens. I read that Scouten means "green peas" ??? > >