I am new here, and have been lurking for awhile. The list seems very quiet, so I will throw this one out to see if anyone can help me. (An example from another list...I had a surname that I searched for many years. Muckendue. Never found it. Finally, someone told me that it was the Scottish name McIndoe. Of course! Why didnt I see that.) I have lots of names in my background that tie into the early upper New York people. (Quick, Cole, Wells, VanAuken, Van Garden, DeWitt, Westbrook etc) One of my surnames that tie into these lines is ROLFSMITH, or RHOLFSMITH. Could this one be a sound alike? Is there a name from the early Dutch communities that would be similar in sound when spoken, but spelled incorrectly to fool me (and others from this line) since 1747? I have never found anyone who recognizes or ties into a family name of Rolfsmith. The specific woman in question is my gggggrandmother, Catherine Rolfsmith. William CRAWFORD b. 1731 in New Jersey. He lived in New Jersey, Minisink, and Pennsylvania. He was in the Revolutionary War, and was a POW at Ft. Washington. He married Catherine ROLFSMITH in May of 1764. She was born May, 1747. She is supposedly the third wife of William Crawford. If anyone may have a suggestion of a sound-alike name, that might be substituted for Rolfsmith, I would be so happy to hear. Thanks for any help. Diane, in Iowa

Looking for anyone researching the Devoe surname. Please e-mail me directly since I will be leaving this site for the summer. Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

BOWNE this list is from the 1870 upstate printed census for ALL BOWNEs living in upstate NYS I would like birth date and where marriage date and where death date and where name of spouse name of mother and father name of brothers and sisters on each name are these on the 1880 census ? thank for your help I am connecting all BOWNEs worldwide and all years but most or some of these names posted below are my immediate family will post info when I receive it Will help with allied families married to a BOWNE birth year maybe give or take a year or two all living in PUTNAM,ORANGE,DUTCHESS,WESTCHESTER,OSWEGO,STLAWRENCE,ALBANY,ONEIDA,MONROE, DELEWARE,STEUBEN,JEFFERSON ,OSTEGO cos Abraham Bowne b 1810 Philipstown, Putnam Co NY Alfred Bowne b 1810 Montgomery, Orange Co NY spouse Emeline Davis Augustus Bowne b 1820 Cornwall, Orange co NY Benjamin Bowne b 1829 Cornwall, Orange Co NY Charles E Bowne b 1818 Poughkeepsie,Dutchess Co NY spouse Mary Haggerty Clara Bowne b 1818 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY Clarinda Bowne b 1788 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY Delila Bowne b 1810 Kent,Putnam Co NY E. Bowne b 1858 Poughkeepsie Dutchess Co NY Elias Bowne b 1796 Yonkers,Westchester Co NY Elizabeth Bowne b 1816 Oswego,Oswego Co NY George Bowne b 1804 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY H.W. Bowne b 1768 Montgomery,Orange Co NY Harvey Bowne b 1801 Poughkeepsie,Dutchess Co NY James Bowne b 1835 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY James Bowne b 1824 Gouveneur, St Lawrence Co NY James Bowne b 1820 Montgomery,Orange Co NY James Bowne b 1798 Poughkeepsie Dutchess Co NY spouse Phebe Conklin James Bowne b 1787 Gouveneur,St Lawrence Co NY spouse Elizabeth Wilson Jennie Bowne b 1851 Carmel,Putnam Co NY John R Bowne b 1822 Albany,Albany Co NY Joseph Bowne b 1819 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY Joseph Bowne b 1817 Paris,Oneida Co NY spouse Elizabeth Weeden Joseph Bowne b 1789 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY M Ransom Bowne b 1840 Oswego,Oswego Co NY Michael Bowne b 1820 Henrietta,Monroe Co NY Newton (Sydney?) Bowne b 1841/42 Hastings,Oswego Co NY spouse Margaret Clune Norwood Bowne b 1823 Delhi,Deleware Co NY Phebe B owne b 1810 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY Rebecca Y Bowne b 1848 Delhi,Deleware Co NY Richard Bowne b 1807 Rochester,Monroe Co NY Rosetta Bowne b 1805 Philipstown,Putnam Co NY S.T. Bowne b 1857 Poughkeepsie,Dutchess Co NY Samuel Bowne b 1848 Urbana,Steuben Co NY Susan Bowne b 1851 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY Theodore A Bowne b 1840 Fishkill,Dutchess Co NY spouse Eleanora ? on last name Thomas Bowne b 1831 Westchester,Westchester Co NY spouse Rebecca Legget Watson Walter Bowne b 1829 Oswego,Oswego Co NY Willet Bowne b 1822 Macomb,St Lawrence Co NY Willie Bowne b 1857 Antwerp,Jefferson Co NY William Bowne b 1845/46 Middlefield,Ostego Co NY spouse Hannah Morton William Bowne b 1844 Middleffield,Ostego Co NY thanks for any info Audrey Bowne Seattle gregbowne@earthlink.net

Dear Greg, Sounds great! I suppose the group is willing to sort out your whole family in one go :-) Appearantly you are a newcomer to this group. It is always appreciated when you provide some information about this family as far as you have done some research already. Also it is helpful if you would ask more precise questions about a particular person. Something like: Mr Whatever Bowne was born in somewhere at a certain date, was married and then ask about parents or children. Also if you know the original Dutch name might be helpful too. Immigration dates etc. Anything rather then just asking in the blind for everything. People are much more willing to help that way. Looking forward to some more info. Regards, Ton van Heusden -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: gregbowne@earthlink.net [mailto:gregbowne@earthlink.net] Verzonden: zaterdag 5 april 2003 21:51 Aan: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [NYDUTCH] BOWNE - DUTCH families I would like info on the BOWNE family in the DUTCH community thanks for any info birth date and where marriage date and where death date and where name of spouse name of cemetery where buried pictures Audrey Bowne Seattle gregbowne@earthlink.net ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would like info on the BOWNE family in the DUTCH community thanks for any info birth date and where marriage date and where death date and where name of spouse name of cemetery where buried pictures Audrey Bowne Seattle gregbowne@earthlink.net

Hi all, Obituary Central http://www.obitcentral.com is always looking for obituary resources on the web to add to the directory. This morning while combing the web, I chanced upon a great resource that indexes vital statistics for the Dutch community in the U.S. It indexes births, obits, and other data from 1987 to 2003 and is located at http://www.godutch.com/genealogy/vitalstats.htm Hope this helps. My sites: Obituary Links Page http://www.obitlinkspage.com GenLookups http://www.genlookups.com Texas Marriages Search http://www.genlookups.com/texas_marriages/ New York Marriages Search http://www.genlookups.com/ny_marriages/ Hope these help. Bill Cribbs

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Hi Everyone, I'm new to this list. Thru the census lookup list I have learned that my great-great-uncle Leonard Bowers (Leendert Boer) died in Lockport, Niagara county between 1900-1910. His wife Martha died there between 1910-1920 (at least 91 yrs old, born in England). Leonard was born in Holland in November 1828 and came to the USA in 1848. He was a ship's carpenter by trade. Is there a way to find out when exactly they died and perhaps get a copy of the death certificate? I know I could ask the dept. of health to search for them but that would involve research fees and I am trying to avoid that ... I don' really need a copy of the certificates as long as I know what is in them and I have the cert.number/source. Any suggestions? Thank you, Paula in the Netherlands _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Mary Weeks marr. in 1798, to Charles Devoe who was b. 1765 and lived in NYC. This is their family; Charles b. 1799 marr. Charity Elizabeth Valentine in 1827 and lived in Parma, MI. Maria 1801 marr. Frederick Ryer in 1826 Phebe 1803 marr. John Devoe Poole in 1824 andrew 1806 marr. Susan Ryer in 1829 Elizabeth 1808 marr. John Hopper Smith Weeks 1812 marr. Abbey Terry, after she died he marr. Margaret King Koening in 1843 Hannah 1814 Helena 1818 marr. Remy Lorreaud in 1834 and lived in Milford, PA. If you can connect to this family, I would like to hear from you, thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

Sarah Titus marr. in 1824 to Robert Devoe who was b. 1801. This couple had Isaac b. 1825 and in 1854, marr. Elizabeth Nobler. If you can connect to this family, I would like to hear from you, thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

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Still looking for 9 VanVleet bros/sisters PARENTS of who were born NY & OH.Chldn are Hannah(Luther)Huntington,Catherine(Jabez) Hunt., Jacob, Alfred(Almary Huntington),John,Garrett,Stephen,(Abigail) Benjamin,(Olive, Rhoda, Annette) Sally Anne..married ,but last name unknown. Alfred, Benjamin,Stephen,Catherine, Hannah all lived in WI 1850-1860 & later.All were in Kane & McHenry county, IL before 1855. Alfreds known birthplace Medina,OH. clarice@discover-net.net

Need to locate Garrett, John, Jacob & Sally Anne VanVleet b possibly from 1816 to 1830 in NY & OH, bros & sister of Catherine VanVleet Hunt..widow of Jabez..married OH., 1841.Deceased WI., 1876. Any ideas /clues as to what & where they would be & to whom married etc? AND WHO are their parents? clarice@discover-net.net

>Hi Peter: > >You are my first response and I appreciate all of the new information you >provided. Thank you very much! I did not have the 1860 census information. >It appears that the Van Raalte's immigrated to Boston, Mass first and then to >New York. I was only looking in New York. I don't know if the list rules >are to thank people privately but I am very grateful to you! >Take care, Jim Oien You're welcome, glad to be able to help. BTW, I looked in the Boston and Baltimore index and did not find them there. It could be oversight/misspelling etc. or that he came by himself and he enlisted as a crew member. Peter...... Docs4u Genealogical research docs4u@shaw.ca

In a message dated 2/28/2003 11:42:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, peter.van.schaik@shaw.ca writes: > Jim, > This is what I could find in my indexes. I am sorry to say the ship > passenger list index did not have the family listed. > Hi Peter: You are my first response and I appreciate all of the new information you provided. Thank you very much! I did not have the 1860 census information. It appears that the Van Raalte's immigrated to Boston, Mass first and then to New York. I was only looking in New York. I don't know if the list rules are to thank people privately but I am very grateful to you! Take care, Jim Oien

At 06:13 PM 2/28/03, you wrote: >Hello, I'm Jim Oien and new to the list. I'm searching for my in-law >ancestor, Moses Van Raalte (b. 1828) who arrived in New York City in 1850. Jim, This is what I could find in my indexes. I am sorry to say the ship passenger list index did not have the family listed. Hope these records will tell you something new. Take care....Peter Immigration Records: Dutch in America, 1800s Vanraalte, Moses State: New York County: New York Township: New York City Ward: 11 Census Year: 1870 Dwelling Number in Census: 73 Family Number in Census: 6635 Generation of Immigrant: Foreign-born family head and wife , adult siblings age 21+ living independently, father or mother Age: 42 Sex: Male Maritial Satus: Married, one spouse dutch-born Number of Children in Household: 01 Family Status: Husband Occupation: Cigar maker Real Estate Value: 0 Personal Possesions Value: 200 Last Residence: Holland, netherlands Married Within the Year: Unknown Attended School Within the Year: Unknown Illiterate: Unknown Disabled: Unknown Father Foriegn Born: 1 Mother Foriegn Born: 1 Citizen Eligible to Vote: 1 Years in the U.S.: Unknown *********************************************************************** Vanraalte, Henrietta State: New York County: New York Township: New York City Ward: 11 Census Year: 1870 Dwelling Number in Census: 73 Family Number in Census: 6635 Generation of Immigrant: Non-dutch spouse or unknown Age: 36 Sex: Female Maritial Satus: Married, one spouse dutch-born Number of Children in Household: 01 Family Status: Wife Occupation: Keeping house Real Estate Value: 0 Personal Possesions Value: 0 Last Residence: Other Married Within the Year: Unknown Attended School Within the Year: Unknown Illiterate: Unknown Disabled: Unknown Father Foriegn Born: 1 Mother Foriegn Born: 1 Citizen Eligible to Vote: Unknown Years in the U.S.: Unknown *********************************************************************** Vanraalte, Lina State: New York County: New York Township: New York City Ward: 11 Census Year: 1870 Dwelling Number in Census: 73 Family Number in Census: 6635 Generation of Immigrant: Son or daughter of first generation immigrant, but non -family head in first census report Age: 02 Sex: Female Maritial Satus: Single Number of Children in Household: 0 Family Status: Daughter Occupation: Blank Real Estate Value: 0 Personal Possesions Value: 0 Last Residence: New york Married Within the Year: Unknown Attended School Within the Year: Unknown Illiterate: Unknown Disabled: Unknown Father Foriegn Born: 1 Mother Foriegn Born: 1 Citizen Eligible to Vote: Unknown Years in the U.S.: Unknown ====================================================== Immigration Records: Dutch in America, 1800s Vanraalte, Maas State: Mass County: Suffolk Township: Boston City Ward: 3 Census Year: 1860 Dwelling Number in Census: 859 Family Number in Census: 18185 Generation of Immigrant: Foreign-born family head and wife , adult siblings age 21+ living independently, father or mother Age: 31 Sex: Male Maritial Satus: Married, both spouses dutch-born Number of Children in Household: 00 Family Status: Husband Occupation: Cigar maker Real Estate Value: 0 Personal Possesions Value: 200 Last Residence: Holland, netherlands Married Within the Year: Unknown Attended School Within the Year: Unknown Illiterate: Unknown Disabled: Unknown Father Foriegn Born: Unknown Mother Foriegn Born: Unknown Citizen Eligible to Vote: Unknown Years in the U.S.: Unknown *********************************************************************** Vanraalte, Harriet State: Mass County: Suffolk Township: Boston City Ward: 3 Census Year: 1860 Dwelling Number in Census: 859 Family Number in Census: 18185 Generation of Immigrant: Foreign-born family head and wife , adult siblings age 21+ living independently, father or mother Age: 26 Sex: Female Maritial Satus: Married, both spouses dutch-born Number of Children in Household: 00 Family Status: Wife Occupation: Keeping house Real Estate Value: 0 Personal Possesions Value: 0 Last Residence: Holland, netherlands Married Within the Year: Unknown Attended School Within the Year: Unknown Illiterate: Unknown Disabled: Unknown Father Foriegn Born: Unknown Mother Foriegn Born: Unknown Citizen Eligible to Vote: Unknown Years in the U.S.: Unknown ======================================================== Immigration Records: Dutch in America, 1800s Vanraalte, Maria Family Status: Single individual or single parent Age: 20 Sex: Female Occupation: None, without Ship Accommodations: Unknown Port of Embarkation: Rotterdam, Netherlands Port of Arrival: New York Vessel: Beethoven Destination: U.S.A. (no specific place stated) Date of Arrival: 5/27/50 Last Residence: Unidentified dutch municipality Microfilm Roll: M-237 New York Reel: 89 =========================================================== Peter...... Docs4u Genealogical research docs4u@shaw.ca

Hello, I'm Jim Oien and new to the list. I'm searching for my in-law ancestor, Moses Van Raalte (b. 1828) who arrived in New York City in 1850. I don't know if he immigrated alone or with his parents. He would have been 22 years old at that time. The census records show that he was employed as a segar maker and he and his parents were from Holland. He married Henrietta Seehof who immigrated from Prussia in 1852. They had one daughter, Helena, born 1868 and sometimes listed as Lena. Helena was a very interesting lady and I have much information about her. I would like my grandchildren to know more about their Dutch ancestry. I'm hoping to find Moses 'parents and where in Holland they emigrated from. I would appreciate it if someone could steer me in the right direction. Thank you Jim Oien Georgetown, MA.

Mary Avery marr. Daniel Devoe who was b. 1748. These are their children; Andrew b. 1772 marr. Martha Golden in 1795 NY. Elizabeth 1774 marr. John Fountain Mary 1776 marr. James Shepherd Hannah 1779 marr. Andrew Gale Nathanial 1781 marr. Jane Farrington Jasper Susannah 1783 marr. Jonathan Sherwood Peter 1790 marr. Elizabeth Burtis in 1818 Kings Co. NY. Phebe and Anna. I am researching a book and I need your help. If you are related to this family, I would like to hear from you, thank you, Duane D. -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com