The old livingston cemetary is about 3 miles from my house on licingston rd. The only two stone of the ones you mentioned as being there that come to mond are abraham and his wife,. >From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] VISSER/VISCHER/FISHER/ , VANALSTYNE, BESHURES >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:30:10 -0500 > >Dear Casey, >You might try to check Columbia Co. NY records and see what you can build >from both ends on your Van Alstyne line. >My Van Alstyne line came from Columbia Co. NY (Kinderhook is where the >VanAlstyne family settled originally) to Montgomery Co. and then to Steuben >Co. >Olive Tree Genealogy has a good outline of Van Alstyne genealogy. >http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/surnames/vanalst.shtml > Abraham is a very frequently used name in the Van Alstyne family. >Elsie Wilson > >At 10:07 AM 5/17/02 -0400, you wrote: >>Hello all! I am researching the above surnames in Wayne County. I am >>rather >>new to Dutch ancestry and am glad to be a part of a list that will help me >>share what I find and learn more as I go. Please excuse the length of >>this >>email as I feel a rather long dissertation coming on. :) >>I originally began my research in Wayne county through my mother's >>BESHURES >>surname. (family story says this is a German or Dutch surname) Her >>parents >>had lived in Sterling, NY just North of Wayne County. I found her >>father's >>family in Hannibal, NY and then futher back to Wayne County where the line >>just stopped. I discovered that my gr gr grandfather George BESHURES had >>actually been born in the State of Ohio but both his parents were born in >>New >>York State. This told me that his parents had been in Ohio for several >>years >>and left the question. Where did the Husband go? Did he die or just >>disappear? I found George and his 3 siblings listed with their Mother >>Lucinda VANALSTYNE through census records living with her parents in Wayne >>County 1850. Lucinda's father was Abraham VANALSTYNE b abt May 1790 d 15 >>Jan >>1873. Abraham, Lucinda, and two of the BESHURES children (as adults) are >>buried in The Old Livingston Cemetery in Wolcott, Wayne County. I find >>the >>reason for them being buried in this 'family ' cemetery was that Lucinda >>remarried to Jacob LIVINGSTON b Abt Apr/Mar 1808 d 12 Oct 1895. I have >>found >>no further information on Abraham or Lucinda but am continually searching. >>The underlying story to this must be epic as my paternal family has turned >>up >>Welsh, Scottish, and French! >> >>Casey >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >>go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

> Sue, I have the Census Index for 1860. I looked for your Juliza COOK and > there are several COOKs listed, among them, a 14 year old boy, John COOK in > Granville. I looked at the entry, and it is quite intriguing. There is a > Juliza BROWN listed with him. The first name is rather unusual to me, so I > decided to send the image directly to your mailbox as Rootsweb does not > accept images. Let me know if you receive it ok. > It appears that Juliza BROWN was 22 at the time of the 1860 census and it > also appears she was married? to Andrew BROWN age 26. They are living with > his parents, apparently, John and Lucy BROWN and, I am assuming, his younger > brother, John BROWN, age 19 and naturally, John COOK, age 14. Juliza is > listed as a schoolteacher. > The entry appears on page 19 (Ancestry.com Image #19) of the 1860 Granville, > Washington Co, NY Census and was enumerated 1 Aug 1860. Ancestry's source > was Image 498 of Roll M653_874. > BTW, I glanced at the other COOKs referenced in Granville, and none appears > to have the names you list. However, I would be happy to send you those > references if you like. And there is another Juliza BROWN listed in > Kingsbury, Washington Co. But she is the only one listed in the index. > Cathy Collier > Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com > Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin > ks > Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) > http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 > &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome > Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and > easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#links Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281&mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren.

Thanks, Diane, You're right - the most important thing for me to find is the 1860 census for Granville and Salem NY, both in Washington County. She married in Berkshire County MA in 1865, but they recorded only their names and the year, so I don't even have an exact marriage date for them. Their first child was born in 1866, but that birth isn't recorded, either. They do show up in the 1870 census for Adams, Berkshire, MA, and that shows her born 1849 in Granville NY. NY did not have to keep records until 1880, so my only hope is to find the 1860 census or a church record of her birth. So far I haven't found her in any of the Dutch churches, or in any other church in the area. I'm curious about what churches these Germans tended to join once they began to spread out away from the Dutch colonies, or how far they were willing to travel to attend the DRC once they moved away from that community. Also, what were the primary areas of settlement for them in upstate NY in the early and mid 1800's? If Daniel Cook was the emigrant, was there much emigration taking place in upstate NY in about the 1830's, and if so, where would they have settled first? One more question I have - Juliza bought a farm with her own money, and owned all the livestock and farm equipment. Her husband owned nothing at all. Was this a common situation with the NY Dutch??? Her husband, John Turner, was of 1600's English descent, and normally their wives were even considered their property, so I find this quite unusual. Anyone have any thoughts on that? Thanks, Sue Martin genmail@1st.net wrote: > > Hi Sue, > > Have you located Juliza Cook for sure in each or any of the later census > years yet, so you know more conclusively about the family for whom you > are looking? > > Have you obtained a copy of Juliza Cook's actual marriage record from > the county where she married? I'm not yet particularly familiar with NY > records available, but if you can locate a copy of the marriage license > application it should have a great deal of the information you need such > as her full name, her birthdate and place, her parents' names, and more. > > If you haven't already found it, you might want to explore the link > below not only for online records but to learn about what paper records > are available county to county,either at the courthouses or in the > archives. > > If the family on the 1850 census is the right one, I wouldn't be at all > surprised to eventually discover that the Sarah Cook, age 2, may > actually be Juliza. It isn't at all uncommon to find people called by > their middle name their whole life, especially when there's an older > person in the family with the same name; but their official records are > all under the first name. It's just one more thing to exasperate us > researchers...one more thing to make it even more interesting and > worthwhile to solve the puzzle. > > Diane. > > Sue Martin wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >My gr-grandmother was NY Dutch, and her name was Juliza Cook, which originally was > >supposedly spelled Koch. She claimed to be born in 1849 in Granville, Washington > >County, NY, but she's not on the 1850 census. She married John J. Turner in 1865 in > >North Adams, Berkshire, MA, so I suspect she lied about her age and was actually > >born in the last half of 1850. Witness to her will in 1904 was an Oscar Cook who > >might be her brother. I found an Oscar D. Cook born 1842 in Granville, NY to Daniel > >Cook and Sarah Lee. He m. 1873 in Salem, Washington, NY Alcesta Sevia Williams. > > > >The 1850 census for Granville shows: > > > >Chester Lee, 38 > >Sarah Cook, 34 > >Oscar Cook, 6 > >May or Mary Cook, 4 > >Sarah Cook, 2 > >Seneca Milan [looks like], 16, farmer. > > > >I suspect that Chester Lee was Sarah's brother, and have no idea what happened to > >Sarah's husband Daniel Cook. If he died before the census date, Juliza could still > >have been born soon afterwards. > > > >I have not been able to find parents for Daniel Cook [born about 1816, the year his > >wife was born]. I don't know the year of emigration, either, but know there were > >VanderKoeks in Cooks Corner, Franklin, NY and Cohoes, Albany, NY and Vandercooks in > >Cooksborough, Rensselaer, NY early on. Sarah and Chester Lee may possibly have been > >Seneca Indians. > > > >My grandmother's name was Margaret Nathalia Turner, so I'm looking for a Nathalia > >Koch/Vandercook that might connect to this family. > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, Sue Martin

Sorry, I forgot to include the link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/county.htm Diane Sue Martin wrote: >Hi, > >My gr-grandmother was NY Dutch, and her name was Juliza Cook, which originally was >supposedly spelled Koch. She claimed to be born in 1849 in Granville, Washington >County, NY, but she's not on the 1850 census. She married John J. Turner in 1865 in >North Adams, Berkshire, MA, so I suspect she lied about her age and was actually >born in the last half of 1850. Witness to her will in 1904 was an Oscar Cook who >might be her brother. I found an Oscar D. Cook born 1842 in Granville, NY to Daniel >Cook and Sarah Lee. He m. 1873 in Salem, Washington, NY Alcesta Sevia Williams. > >The 1850 census for Granville shows: > >Chester Lee, 38 >Sarah Cook, 34 >Oscar Cook, 6 >May or Mary Cook, 4 >Sarah Cook, 2 >Seneca Milan [looks like], 16, farmer. > >I suspect that Chester Lee was Sarah's brother, and have no idea what happened to >Sarah's husband Daniel Cook. If he died before the census date, Juliza could still >have been born soon afterwards. > >I have not been able to find parents for Daniel Cook [born about 1816, the year his >wife was born]. I don't know the year of emigration, either, but know there were >VanderKoeks in Cooks Corner, Franklin, NY and Cohoes, Albany, NY and Vandercooks in >Cooksborough, Rensselaer, NY early on. Sarah and Chester Lee may possibly have been >Seneca Indians. > >My grandmother's name was Margaret Nathalia Turner, so I'm looking for a Nathalia >Koch/Vandercook that might connect to this family. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks, Sue Martin > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Sue, Have you located Juliza Cook for sure in each or any of the later census years yet, so you know more conclusively about the family for whom you are looking? Have you obtained a copy of Juliza Cook's actual marriage record from the county where she married? I'm not yet particularly familiar with NY records available, but if you can locate a copy of the marriage license application it should have a great deal of the information you need such as her full name, her birthdate and place, her parents' names, and more. If you haven't already found it, you might want to explore the link below not only for online records but to learn about what paper records are available county to county,either at the courthouses or in the archives. If the family on the 1850 census is the right one, I wouldn't be at all surprised to eventually discover that the Sarah Cook, age 2, may actually be Juliza. It isn't at all uncommon to find people called by their middle name their whole life, especially when there's an older person in the family with the same name; but their official records are all under the first name. It's just one more thing to exasperate us researchers...one more thing to make it even more interesting and worthwhile to solve the puzzle. Diane. Sue Martin wrote: >Hi, > >My gr-grandmother was NY Dutch, and her name was Juliza Cook, which originally was >supposedly spelled Koch. She claimed to be born in 1849 in Granville, Washington >County, NY, but she's not on the 1850 census. She married John J. Turner in 1865 in >North Adams, Berkshire, MA, so I suspect she lied about her age and was actually >born in the last half of 1850. Witness to her will in 1904 was an Oscar Cook who >might be her brother. I found an Oscar D. Cook born 1842 in Granville, NY to Daniel >Cook and Sarah Lee. He m. 1873 in Salem, Washington, NY Alcesta Sevia Williams. > >The 1850 census for Granville shows: > >Chester Lee, 38 >Sarah Cook, 34 >Oscar Cook, 6 >May or Mary Cook, 4 >Sarah Cook, 2 >Seneca Milan [looks like], 16, farmer. > >I suspect that Chester Lee was Sarah's brother, and have no idea what happened to >Sarah's husband Daniel Cook. If he died before the census date, Juliza could still >have been born soon afterwards. > >I have not been able to find parents for Daniel Cook [born about 1816, the year his >wife was born]. I don't know the year of emigration, either, but know there were >VanderKoeks in Cooks Corner, Franklin, NY and Cohoes, Albany, NY and Vandercooks in >Cooksborough, Rensselaer, NY early on. Sarah and Chester Lee may possibly have been >Seneca Indians. > >My grandmother's name was Margaret Nathalia Turner, so I'm looking for a Nathalia >Koch/Vandercook that might connect to this family. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks, Sue Martin > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

In answer to Roland's suggestion that we submit our Dutch ancestors' names, I am a Van Duyne. My Van Duynes are now known as DINE. I'm particularly interested in the Van Duyne wills but have found only one so far on the DUTCH-COLONIES-List. Lots of archives there. Gary Radcliffe West Covina, CA

My Dutch Lines are: CORNELISSE, VAN BLARCUM, BUYS, DAMEN, VAN KLEECK, MARTENS, DEGUYTER, VAN ESSELSTEYN. I only have the 1st Generation of Van Blarcums & whom they married as My Eybetie Lubberts (Van Blarcum) married Jan Cornelise Buys. Does any one have the extended Van Blarcum or Lubberts Lines? My Huguenot Lines who intermarried with the Dutch were Delamater, Degraff. Parmentier among some. Darlene T. Holling

In a message dated 5/18/02 11:46:52 AM, Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com writes: << This list was set up with the intention of aiding those people who immigrated AFTER 1800 which, for the most part, it is my understanding the Dutch-Colonies List does not address >> Thankyou Cathy. This was very helpful! :-) Susan

Dear Casey, You might try to check Columbia Co. NY records and see what you can build from both ends on your Van Alstyne line. My Van Alstyne line came from Columbia Co. NY (Kinderhook is where the VanAlstyne family settled originally) to Montgomery Co. and then to Steuben Co. Olive Tree Genealogy has a good outline of Van Alstyne genealogy. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/surnames/vanalst.shtml Abraham is a very frequently used name in the Van Alstyne family. Elsie Wilson At 10:07 AM 5/17/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all! I am researching the above surnames in Wayne County. I am rather >new to Dutch ancestry and am glad to be a part of a list that will help me >share what I find and learn more as I go. Please excuse the length of this >email as I feel a rather long dissertation coming on. :) >I originally began my research in Wayne county through my mother's BESHURES >surname. (family story says this is a German or Dutch surname) Her parents >had lived in Sterling, NY just North of Wayne County. I found her father's >family in Hannibal, NY and then futher back to Wayne County where the line >just stopped. I discovered that my gr gr grandfather George BESHURES had >actually been born in the State of Ohio but both his parents were born in New >York State. This told me that his parents had been in Ohio for several years >and left the question. Where did the Husband go? Did he die or just >disappear? I found George and his 3 siblings listed with their Mother >Lucinda VANALSTYNE through census records living with her parents in Wayne >County 1850. Lucinda's father was Abraham VANALSTYNE b abt May 1790 d 15 Jan >1873. Abraham, Lucinda, and two of the BESHURES children (as adults) are >buried in The Old Livingston Cemetery in Wolcott, Wayne County. I find the >reason for them being buried in this 'family ' cemetery was that Lucinda >remarried to Jacob LIVINGSTON b Abt Apr/Mar 1808 d 12 Oct 1895. I have found >no further information on Abraham or Lucinda but am continually searching. >The underlying story to this must be epic as my paternal family has turned up >Welsh, Scottish, and French! > >Casey > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Susanne, I'm doriswaggoner@juno.com The discrepancy in dates does look like a birth date and baptismal date. The place sounds right as well, since one of her sons was born in Montgomery Co. I have two separate lists of her children. Hers has four more children on it than her husband's does--that's a real mystery. I have descendant information for two of her children. Anyway, if you'll give me your email address I'll send you both lists, and would be glad to get more info on her and her family. Thanks for your help cracking open the Schermerhorns for me--they've been a brick wall for years. That's one advantage of lists like this--that someone more versed in Dutch customs would recognize an equivalence in first names. Doris ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Annie -- OOPS! That marriage date on Petrus DE DIE and Johanna PROVO should read 8 May 1851, not March. Sorry! Here's their marriage reference from Zeeuwsarchiv. Petrus de Die Bridegroom on Thursday, May 8, 1851 Cadzand Aktenummer/number of deed: 6 Aktedatum/Date of deed: 8 5 1851 Bruidegom/Bridegroom: Petrus de Die Beroep/Occupation: Landmansknecht Leeftijd/Age: 28 jaar/years old Geboorteplaats/Birthplace: Schoondijke Bruid/Bride: Johanna Provo Beroep/Occupation: Dienstmeid Leeftijd/Age: 27 jaar/years old Geboorteplaats/Place of birth: Nieuwvliet Vader bruidegom/Father bridegroom: Petrus de Die Moeder bruidegom/Mother bridegroom: Jozina Tallier Beroep/Occupation: Arbeidster Vader bruid/Father bride: Jakob Provo Beroep/Occupation: Arbeider Moeder bruid/Mother bride: Elizabeth Keimel Beroep/Occupation: Arbeidster Opmerking/Note: Moeder bgm thans gehuwd met Pieter Miens, arbeider. Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Collier" <Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 18 May, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] DeDie - Fremouw > Annie, I have a connection to your DE DIE family, I think. Petrus DE DIE > and Jozina TALLIER had another son, Petrus (born c 1823), who married > Johanna PROVO (born c 1824 in Nieuwvliet) on 8 Mar 1851 in Cadzand. She was > the daughter of Jacob PROVO and Elisabeth KEIJMEL who were parents of my > husband's 2nd Ggrandmother, Susan PROVO, married to Jacob CARLIER or > COLLIER. > > Below is the marriage reference for your Jannis de DIE and Jakomina KRAIMES > as found at ZEEUWSARCHIEF website http://database.zeeuwsarchief.nl/index.htm > > You might want to go there and type in Petrus DE DIE -- Jerina/Jozina and he > had quite a few other children, it appears. > > This helped me too! I haven't searched for Johanna and Petrus in the Census > as yet. I will now. Thanks!! I can send you more on Johanna's siblings > and parents, if you wish, but have nothing more on the DE DIE family as yet. > Petrus de Die > Father Bridegroom on Thursday, September 19, 1839 Cadzand > > Aktenummer/number of deed: 7 > Aktedatum/Date of deed: 19 9 1839 > Bruidegom/Bridegroom: Jannis de Die > Beroep/Occupation: Landmansknecht > Leeftijd/Age: 20 jaar/years old > Geboorteplaats/Birthplace: Heille > Bruid/Bride: Jakomina Kraimes > Beroep/Occupation: Dienstmeid > Leeftijd/Age: 20 jaar/years old > Geboorteplaats/Place of birth: Cadzand > Vader bruidegom/Father bridegroom: Petrus de Die > Moeder bruidegom/Mother bridegroom: Jerina Tallier > Beroep/Occupation: Arbeidster > Vader bruid/Father bride: David Kraimes > Beroep/Occupation: Arbeider > Moeder bruid/Mother bride: Pieternella Verdouw > Beroep/Occupation: Arbeidster > > > Cathy > > Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com > Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin > ks > Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) > http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 > &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome > > Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and > easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daryl VerStreate jr." <daryl_7374@hotmail.com> > To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, 18 May, 2002 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] DeDie - Fremouw > > > > i do have a de die in my tree but dont know much about him myabe the name > > might sound familiar to you. > > Johannes De Die b: October 21, 1828 d:1902 married to Magdaleena Pleijte. > > April 13, 1864 in Schoondijke, Netherlands. If you know this person let me > > know, then we can talk. > > > > >From: AnnieL2436@aol.com > > >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [NYDUTCH] DeDie - Fremouw > > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:30:37 EDT > > > > > >These are my family lines who came from the Netherlands to settle > (mostly) > > >in > > >Wayne County, NY -- 1850s to present. > > > > > >DE DIE > > >The deDie family came in several batches in the 1870s from Cadzand, > > >Zeeland. > > > Jannis DE DIE (b. 1818 to Petrus DE DIE and Jerintje TELLIER) and > his > > >wife Johanna-Jakomina KRAAIJMES (b. 1818 to David KRAAIJMES and > Pieternella > > >VERDOUW) arrived in Wayne County in 1873 with 6 of their children: > > > > > >Jerintje (Irene) DE DIE (b. 1840) and her husband Jannis DE CANN; they > had > > >13 > > >children. > > >Maria DE DIE (b. 1841) and her husband Isaac MORANUS; they had at least > 1 > > >child. > > >Sara DE DIE (b. 1843) and her husband Pieter LIJBAART (Libbert); they had > > >at > > >least 3 children. > > >Petrus DE DIE (b. 1846) and his wife Catharina BRULE; they had 14 > children. > > >Willem DE DIE (b. 1849) and his wife Janna (Jennie) Pieternella van > > >SCHAFFELEN; they had 10 children. > > >Suzanna DE DIE (b. 1852) married Cornelis FREMOUW after arriving in > > >America. > > >They had 9 children including my grandmother. Suzanna married (2) in > 1897 > > >Leonard COOK. > > > > > >FREMOUW or Fremow > > > Cornelis (b. 1851 to Abram and Jennie). He had at least one brother, > > >Jacob FREMOUW. > > > > > >Does anyone connect? > > >Linda Burkell > > > > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > >go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Annie, I have a connection to your DE DIE family, I think. Petrus DE DIE and Jozina TALLIER had another son, Petrus (born c 1823), who married Johanna PROVO (born c 1824 in Nieuwvliet) on 8 Mar 1851 in Cadzand. She was the daughter of Jacob PROVO and Elisabeth KEIJMEL who were parents of my husband's 2nd Ggrandmother, Susan PROVO, married to Jacob CARLIER or COLLIER. Below is the marriage reference for your Jannis de DIE and Jakomina KRAIMES as found at ZEEUWSARCHIEF website http://database.zeeuwsarchief.nl/index.htm You might want to go there and type in Petrus DE DIE -- Jerina/Jozina and he had quite a few other children, it appears. This helped me too! I haven't searched for Johanna and Petrus in the Census as yet. I will now. Thanks!! I can send you more on Johanna's siblings and parents, if you wish, but have nothing more on the DE DIE family as yet. Petrus de Die Father Bridegroom on Thursday, September 19, 1839 Cadzand Aktenummer/number of deed: 7 Aktedatum/Date of deed: 19 9 1839 Bruidegom/Bridegroom: Jannis de Die Beroep/Occupation: Landmansknecht Leeftijd/Age: 20 jaar/years old Geboorteplaats/Birthplace: Heille Bruid/Bride: Jakomina Kraimes Beroep/Occupation: Dienstmeid Leeftijd/Age: 20 jaar/years old Geboorteplaats/Place of birth: Cadzand Vader bruidegom/Father bridegroom: Petrus de Die Moeder bruidegom/Mother bridegroom: Jerina Tallier Beroep/Occupation: Arbeidster Vader bruid/Father bride: David Kraimes Beroep/Occupation: Arbeider Moeder bruid/Mother bride: Pieternella Verdouw Beroep/Occupation: Arbeidster Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl VerStreate jr." <daryl_7374@hotmail.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 18 May, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] DeDie - Fremouw > i do have a de die in my tree but dont know much about him myabe the name > might sound familiar to you. > Johannes De Die b: October 21, 1828 d:1902 married to Magdaleena Pleijte. > April 13, 1864 in Schoondijke, Netherlands. If you know this person let me > know, then we can talk. > > >From: AnnieL2436@aol.com > >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [NYDUTCH] DeDie - Fremouw > >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:30:37 EDT > > > >These are my family lines who came from the Netherlands to settle (mostly) > >in > >Wayne County, NY -- 1850s to present. > > > >DE DIE > >The deDie family came in several batches in the 1870s from Cadzand, > >Zeeland. > > Jannis DE DIE (b. 1818 to Petrus DE DIE and Jerintje TELLIER) and his > >wife Johanna-Jakomina KRAAIJMES (b. 1818 to David KRAAIJMES and Pieternella > >VERDOUW) arrived in Wayne County in 1873 with 6 of their children: > > > >Jerintje (Irene) DE DIE (b. 1840) and her husband Jannis DE CANN; they had > >13 > >children. > >Maria DE DIE (b. 1841) and her husband Isaac MORANUS; they had at least 1 > >child. > >Sara DE DIE (b. 1843) and her husband Pieter LIJBAART (Libbert); they had > >at > >least 3 children. > >Petrus DE DIE (b. 1846) and his wife Catharina BRULE; they had 14 children. > >Willem DE DIE (b. 1849) and his wife Janna (Jennie) Pieternella van > >SCHAFFELEN; they had 10 children. > >Suzanna DE DIE (b. 1852) married Cornelis FREMOUW after arriving in > >America. > >They had 9 children including my grandmother. Suzanna married (2) in 1897 > >Leonard COOK. > > > >FREMOUW or Fremow > > Cornelis (b. 1851 to Abram and Jennie). He had at least one brother, > >Jacob FREMOUW. > > > >Does anyone connect? > >Linda Burkell > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Doris: I believe we are referring to the same person. My data indicates that her birthdate was 29 April, 1781; however, this could be her baptismal date. Her father and her maternal grandmother were first cousins, once removed. Neeltje was born in Rotterdam, Schenectady, New York. To date, I have not determined the names of her children, but would also like to know them. I do have the names of her siblings' children, however. If you would indicate your e-mail address, I would be happy to send you more detailed information on her ancestry. Susanne

i do have a de die in my tree but dont know much about him myabe the name might sound familiar to you. Johannes De Die b: October 21, 1828 d:1902 married to Magdaleena Pleijte. April 13, 1864 in Schoondijke, Netherlands. If you know this person let me know, then we can talk. >From: AnnieL2436@aol.com >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYDUTCH] DeDie - Fremouw >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:30:37 EDT > >These are my family lines who came from the Netherlands to settle (mostly) >in >Wayne County, NY -- 1850s to present. > >DE DIE >The deDie family came in several batches in the 1870s from Cadzand, >Zeeland. > Jannis DE DIE (b. 1818 to Petrus DE DIE and Jerintje TELLIER) and his >wife Johanna-Jakomina KRAAIJMES (b. 1818 to David KRAAIJMES and Pieternella >VERDOUW) arrived in Wayne County in 1873 with 6 of their children: > >Jerintje (Irene) DE DIE (b. 1840) and her husband Jannis DE CANN; they had >13 >children. >Maria DE DIE (b. 1841) and her husband Isaac MORANUS; they had at least 1 >child. >Sara DE DIE (b. 1843) and her husband Pieter LIJBAART (Libbert); they had >at >least 3 children. >Petrus DE DIE (b. 1846) and his wife Catharina BRULE; they had 14 children. >Willem DE DIE (b. 1849) and his wife Janna (Jennie) Pieternella van >SCHAFFELEN; they had 10 children. >Suzanna DE DIE (b. 1852) married Cornelis FREMOUW after arriving in >America. >They had 9 children including my grandmother. Suzanna married (2) in 1897 >Leonard COOK. > >FREMOUW or Fremow > Cornelis (b. 1851 to Abram and Jennie). He had at least one brother, >Jacob FREMOUW. > >Does anyone connect? >Linda Burkell > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Hello, As a loyal member of the Dutch-Colonies mailing list, I happened to read in one or their messages the existence of this list. Of course I subscribed immediately, being a Dutchman with historical interest in the early history of New Netherland. I think this list may be of great interest for me and that's why I'm happy to be here. Another reason to post this message is to inform you about the fact that I'm maintaining a website. This website is mainly intended for my friends of the Dutch-Colonies list but you might like to use it as well. The site is providing links and information concerning Dutch history, genealogy and topography. The address of the site: <http://members.home.nl/rabbel/index.html> I will follow the NYDUTCH list with great interest and I hope I can contribute to this list once in a while. One important remark: I'm not a Dutch genealogist, but just a amateur historian. Kindest regards, Willem Rabbelier -- rabbel@home.nl rabbel@mac.com http://members.home.nl/rabbel/index.html

Hi, These are names that connect to NY / Long Is. back into the 1600's of my families. Some are Dutch origin and others not, but married in. Most / all moved into New Jersey. If you feel a relationship, please contact me. :-) Okay, here it goes - GOULDER (basically in Gravesend, LI), LAENEN // VANPELT // LAEN, VANBORKELOO (not sure if on LI) & various spellings, DAWS / Dawes, GERRITS, VANDYKE AERSIN (step grandmother name), SMIT, WILLEKENS, KLAUS, HORTMAN (not sure if on LI) but in NJ, DRAKE (step grandmother name), YEATS/Jeats, WILLEMS, JOHNSON/Jansen - twice in the Laenen and Hoff names married in..., STOUT??? mar. into Hoff name or THATCHER. How's that for a whole slew of persons and I'd say that we may / might be more related than just BUCKLEY... The Goulder changed to Golden in NJ from Monmouth Co. to Hunterdon Co. Digging is soooooooooooooooooo much fun. Other names that eventually linked in by the mid 1800's are CONOVER & OPDYKE (both with various spellings) & READING. Thanks for you response, Ruth in Illinois

These are my family lines who came from the Netherlands to settle (mostly) in Wayne County, NY -- 1850s to present. DE DIE The deDie family came in several batches in the 1870s from Cadzand, Zeeland. Jannis DE DIE (b. 1818 to Petrus DE DIE and Jerintje TELLIER) and his wife Johanna-Jakomina KRAAIJMES (b. 1818 to David KRAAIJMES and Pieternella VERDOUW) arrived in Wayne County in 1873 with 6 of their children: Jerintje (Irene) DE DIE (b. 1840) and her husband Jannis DE CANN; they had 13 children. Maria DE DIE (b. 1841) and her husband Isaac MORANUS; they had at least 1 child. Sara DE DIE (b. 1843) and her husband Pieter LIJBAART (Libbert); they had at least 3 children. Petrus DE DIE (b. 1846) and his wife Catharina BRULE; they had 14 children. Willem DE DIE (b. 1849) and his wife Janna (Jennie) Pieternella van SCHAFFELEN; they had 10 children. Suzanna DE DIE (b. 1852) married Cornelis FREMOUW after arriving in America. They had 9 children including my grandmother. Suzanna married (2) in 1897 Leonard COOK. FREMOUW or Fremow Cornelis (b. 1851 to Abram and Jennie). He had at least one brother, Jacob FREMOUW. Does anyone connect? Linda Burkell

Willem-- Very interesting maps -- What would be the date for the "Netherland" map ?? Thanks On Sat, 18 May 2002, willem rabbeljee wrote: > Hello, > As a loyal member of the Dutch-Colonies mailing list, I happened to > read in one or their messages the existence of this list. Of course I > subscribed immediately, being a Dutchman with historical interest in > the early history of New Netherland. I think this list may be of > great interest for me and that's why I'm happy to be here. > Another reason to post this message is to inform you about the fact > that I'm maintaining a website. This website is mainly intended for > my friends of the Dutch-Colonies list but you might like to use it as > well. The site is providing links and information concerning Dutch > history, genealogy and topography. > The address of the site: > <http://members.home.nl/rabbel/index.html> > I will follow the NYDUTCH list with great interest and I hope I can > contribute to this list once in a while. One important remark: I'm > not a Dutch genealogist, but just a amateur historian. > > > Kindest regards, > Willem Rabbelier > -- > > rabbel@home.nl > rabbel@mac.com > http://members.home.nl/rabbel/index.html > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

If you don't feel you need to subscribe to both lists, then get off this one. From: SusanS373@aol.com Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYDUTCH] This List Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:10:16 EDT Can someone please tell me the difference between the discussed topics of this list and those of the Dutch-Colonies list. I am currently a subscriber to the Dutch-Colonies list and have been since 1996. Some very in depth data has been posted to this list and very informative discussions have taken place over these past years involving early Dutch settlers to NY (Long Island, New Amsterdam, Ulster Co etc...all now archived under Dutch-Colonies.) I don't think we need to duplicate these lists nor do I need to subscribe to two on the same subject. The Dutch Colonies list has (at last count) over 1000 subscribers many of whom are true scholars of these early families. Most of us have tied up many of our loose ends with the help of these people! Just curious! : -) Susan ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Visit our web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~frey _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

This list was set up with the intention of aiding those people who immigrated AFTER 1800 which, for the most part, it is my understanding the Dutch-Colonies List does not address -- For instance, my ancestors immigrated from the Netherlands c1840 on. Yes, it is true, we may get into some areas that will overlap, but isn't that the case with most lists? Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusanS373@aol.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 18 May, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: [NYDUTCH] This List > Can someone please tell me the difference between the discussed topics of > this list and those of the Dutch-Colonies list. I am currently a subscriber > to the Dutch-Colonies list and have been since 1996. Some very in depth data > has been posted to this list and very informative discussions have taken > place over these past years involving early Dutch settlers to NY (Long > Island, New Amsterdam, Ulster Co etc...all now archived under > Dutch-Colonies.) I don't think we need to duplicate these lists nor do I need > to subscribe to two on the same subject. The Dutch Colonies list has (at last > count) over 1000 subscribers many of whom are true scholars of these early > families. Most of us have tied up many of our loose ends with the help of > these people! > > Just curious! : -) > > Susan > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >