Wow! Thank you, Susan. This is a great tip. I hadn't that of this variation in the name. I will certainly look into this further. Casey

Linda, I would think that making a connection to your earliest immigrant ancestor to the Netherlands would be a permissable topic. Naturally, this list is concerned with Dutch who settled in NY after 1800, but their immigration is part of that. If you want to post that info for the benefit of all, that would be fine. Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: <AnnieL2436@aol.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 20 May, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: [NYDUTCH] Re: DeDie > Hi all, > > Since this is the NYDutch list, I only posted info on the DE DIEs in NY. I > have more going earlier in the Netherlands on the DE DIE family. I'll send > that to you off-list if you let me know. > > I'll be glad to trade information. Most of my DE DIE and related families > live(d) in Wayne and Monroe Counties of NY. > > Linda Burkell > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi all, Since this is the NYDutch list, I only posted info on the DE DIEs in NY. I have more going earlier in the Netherlands on the DE DIE family. I'll send that to you off-list if you let me know. I'll be glad to trade information. Most of my DE DIE and related families live(d) in Wayne and Monroe Counties of NY. Linda Burkell

Frank, That's not a usual spelling, but anything's possible. The book is not well arranged for searching by place, so I'll have to hunt. But I'll be glad to do that when I have time. Probably not this week. IF you haven't heard from me next week, bug me. I know there were Waggoners in OH, some related, some not. Why don't you email me directly, since this isn't really NY Dutch. Doris, doriswaggoner@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Doris, I have some Wagenors whom I cannot connect to anybody. I wonder if they are in the Waggoner Family History. Nathan WAGENOR, b. ca 1806 in Ohio, and his wife Nancy Ann BRIGGS, b. ca 1808 in Ohio. Children: James S., still a child in 1852. Jane, b. April 1850 in Michigan. Joseph S., twin of Jane. Lydia Ann (Liddy), b. ca 1833 in Iowa. Mary Ann, b. 1846 in Wisconsin. Rebecca Ann, still a child in 1852. Rebecca WAGENOR, who md. Phineas WRIGHT on 5 May 1849 in Michigan. Polly Lodnsky (?) WAGENOR, about whom I know nothing at all. Frank Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris R Waggoner" <doriswaggoner@juno.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] Re: Schermerhorn/Bastian > Elsie, > > Will be interesting to see what you find on your Waggoners. In the > Waggoner Family History 1929 it says that at the time of the 1790 census > there were about 500 Waggoner families, and that ours wasn't related to > any of them. But the writers of that book didn't know of John Martin > Waggoner, or another John by a later wife and i don't know where they got > that informatiion. > > Doris >

Dear Doris, We may or may not be connected. We could never figure out why Engelhart Wagoner came into PA, prob. married there, had one son bapt. in Lancaster Co. and then went up to Montgomery Co. NY. There is another Waggoner family there that came over earlier, about 1708 with the Palatines into Hudson River area to settle. Then they all moved to Montgomery Co. NY. We figure there must be some connection between the two families back in Germany. From Lancaster Co. up to NY is not a usual migration route for Germans. hey tended to stay in PA and then move west later. Of course, Wagoner just means a person who hauls stuff, like a trucker today or it can mean a person who makes wagons. So there are lots of unrelated Wagoners. I am a teacher and I'm up to my ears finishing up my school year. I'll look up more Wagoner stuff in a couple of weeks and get back to you. Elsie Wilson ehwilson@charter.net At 01:14 PM 5/19/02 -0700, you wrote: >Elsie, > >There may well be a Waggoner/Wagner connection. We go back to a Hans >Wagner (and all the possible variant spellings thereof) who landed, we >think, in Philladelphia on the "Plaisance" in 1732. I also have >somewhere I can't find right now a marriage record from somewhere in PA, >where he married a Martin, and a baptismal record for their son John >Martin Wagner. I don't know about a possible move to NY, since there is >only a blank populated by legends between then and the birth of my >ancestor Isaac Waggoner in SC in 1761. Eunice Jewett Bastion b. 1863 >Shelbyvill IL m. John Alvin Waggoner b. 1862 in Sullivan IL, in 1883 in >Sullivan. I have no information on Hans's parents. Does any of this fit >with what you know of your Waggoners? Would be nice to find another >branch of the family. > >Doris > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Elsie, Will be interesting to see what you find on your Waggoners. In the Waggoner Family History 1929 it says that at the time of the 1790 census there were about 500 Waggoner families, and that ours wasn't related to any of them. But the writers of that book didn't know of John Martin Waggoner, or another John by a later wife and i don't know where they got that informatiion. Doris ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Sorry, Doris, but my husband's earliest known Martin was a John Martin born about 1845 in Ireland [or at least his parents were born in Ireland]. He also has English Martins who came over in 1600's, but no German ones. I know there were a lot of Martins in VA and WV, but don't know if they were Scottish or German. Good luck, Sue Martin Doris R Waggoner wrote: > > Sue, > > I'm responding not to your message but to your name. My Waggoner > immigrant was Hans Wagner, from Germany, who arrived in Philladelphia (we > think) on the Plaisance in 1732. He spent some years in PA before moving > to SC. There were several Martins on the Plaisance, some of whom stayed > in PA. Hans's first wife seems to have been a Martin, and they had a son > named John Martin. Don't know if it's the same family as the one Hans > came over with. Do you have any Martin ancestors from PA about this > date? > > Doris Waggoner > Seattle > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would like to correct something on My Ged Com on Ancestry. I sent a New Ged Com full of Dutch Lines to Ancestry on May 4, 2002. They merged it with an Old Ged Com of mine with my old UMich E-Mail. On the new Delamater File, they put in Darlene T. Holling-Location unknown. I spent years getting lots of this infformation from Dutch Churches. My E-Mail is DTDoe@aol.com. You can access New File by putting in My Grandfather Bird Delamarter. He is in there twice but the new one has the May 4, 2002 date. Hope this helps someone that wants to locate me. Darlene T. Holling

Susan: I know Jurian Peeshaar who was married to Elizabeth Wendell seemed to go by Peeshaar in the Old Dutch Church of Kingston. Margriet, Lena & Magdalena went by both Peeshar & Peeshaaring in the Old Dutch Church Bpt. records. Darlene T. Holling

The surname "BESURES" may be just another permutation of the surname BOSHAAR. In early church records of Ulster and Dutchess Co NY the name is seen spelled with many variations (i.e. BEESHAR, BEESHAREN, PEESHARING and PEESHAR). It has been suggested that the name Boettcher is also a variation of this same name. Hans Jacob Beshaar and his 2nd wife Christine Maurer (from Zweibrucken Germany) came in 1710 with 6 children with the Palatine emigration This family and some of their descendants are addressed in "Palatine Families of New York" by Henry Z. Jones Jr. pp. 90-93. This may provide some clues! :-) Susan

In a message dated 5/18/02 10:29:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ehwilson@charter.net writes: > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/surnames/vanalst.shtml > Elsie, Thank you for the link. I will certainly take a look. Maybe this will give me more clues.... Casey

Dear All, For old maps on the internet the link http://www.kb.nl/kb/galerie/indexatlas.html will take you to the Koninklijke Bibliotheek. They have scanned the atlas Van der Hagen and the atlas Beudeker. These maps are just viewable, but also downloadeble and with an MrSid application downloaded, you can zoom in (very high resolution!). Only problem is that the site is in Dutch, so: Bron = Source Jaar = Year Naam = Name Gebied = Area Trefwoord = Reference Greetings, Anne J. C. Simonse

I am looking for descendents of the Stryker family who are in my mother's direct line. They are all descendents of Jan Stryker who came to New Amsterdam (NYC) in 1652. Abraham Stryker b 16 Apr 1788 in Adams Co., PA. d 14 Jan 1868. Buried in Owasco, NY Rural Cemetery. Abraham and his first wife, Anna, joined the Dutch Reformed Church in Owasco in 1816. His sister joined in 1817. In 1818 he bought 50 acres of farmland from Garret Cownover and his sons Garret and Josiah farmed there until Josiah bought his own land across the road and built a small home on the property. In the 1860's both sons left for Berrien County, Michigan. Abraham married (1) Anna Conover d/o Garret Cownover & Anna 16 Jul 1816. Anna b on 12 Oct 1796 in NY. d 29 Feb 1832. They had the following children: Gitty Jobs Stryker b 28 Aug 1817 d 11 May 1851 m Charles Burch 17 Dec 1835. b 1810 d 1908. Mary Ann Stryker b 30 Jul 1823. D. 9 Nov 1824 Margaret Stryker b 1 Jun 1821. d 14 Aug 1863. m. John Roseboom 5 Mar 1846. John b 1814, d. 23 Aug 1859. Hannah Stryker b. 11 Nov 1825, d. 3 Feb 1873. Hannah m Peter A. McDowell 26 Oct 1848. Peter b. 1824, d. 1888. Garret Conover Stryker b. 14 Feb 1828, d. 19 Jun 1890. Buried in Bakertown Cemetery, Buchanan, MI. m. Ancenette Sabrina Chamberlain d/o Samuel Chamberlain & Mercy Cotton 2 Jul 1851. Ancenette b 16 Feb 1834 Moravia, Cayuga Co.,NY. D. 6 Feb 1914 South Bend, IN. Their children: Frank Anson Stryker b 6 Apr 1853 Niles,Cayuga Co. NY d 9 Mar 1927 Buchanan, Berrien Co., MI. buried Indian Mound Cem, Moravia, NY. Edith Estelle Stryker b 3 Apr 1855. d 6 Jun 1921 South Bend, St. Joseph Co.IN m. Frank L. Spencer 1 Jan 1874. Emma Jane Stryker b 6 Oct 1856 Niles, Cayuga Co. NY d 2 Dec 1915 Niles, Berrien Co., MI. Dorr John Stryker b 23 Dec 1859 Niles, NY d 16 Oct 1916 ME m Rebecca C Ludwig d/o Orchard L Ludwig & Sarah Jane 25 Aug 1896 Rockland, ME. Rebecca b ca 1856 in ME. She died after 1930. Wilford Cotton Stryker b 8 Apr 1861 Niles, NY. He died in CA. m Carrie Woodward 25 Dec 1891. Lillian M Stryker b 17 Jan 1867 Niles, NY d 2 Sep 1921 Washington DC m Edward Ralph Lake 19 Sep 1888. Hugh Leland Stryker b 5 Sep 1872 Niles, NY d 13 Dec 1934 South Bend, St. Joseph Co., IN m Emma Ward 20 Feb 1890. Betsey Ann Stryker b. 1 Nov 1831, d. 11 Oct 1832. Abraham married (2) Hannah Parcell d/o David Parcell & Margaret Demarest 17 Nov 1835. Hannah b 27 Jul 1811 d 16 May 1872. They had the following children: Josiah B. Stryker b 21 Dec 1834. d 4 Jan 1914. Sarah Ann Stryker b 30 Sep 1837 d 20 Mar 1912. Mary Ann Stryker b 11 Sep 1843 d 13 Sep 1922. m. William A. Gere . David Parsell Stryker b 8 Jun 1846. d 29 Nov 1864. I have information to share and would like to find descendents of these Strykers. Lin

Elsie, There may well be a Waggoner/Wagner connection. We go back to a Hans Wagner (and all the possible variant spellings thereof) who landed, we think, in Philladelphia on the "Plaisance" in 1732. I also have somewhere I can't find right now a marriage record from somewhere in PA, where he married a Martin, and a baptismal record for their son John Martin Wagner. I don't know about a possible move to NY, since there is only a blank populated by legends between then and the birth of my ancestor Isaac Waggoner in SC in 1761. Eunice Jewett Bastion b. 1863 Shelbyvill IL m. John Alvin Waggoner b. 1862 in Sullivan IL, in 1883 in Sullivan. I have no information on Hans's parents. Does any of this fit with what you know of your Waggoners? Would be nice to find another branch of the family. Doris ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Sue, I'm responding not to your message but to your name. My Waggoner immigrant was Hans Wagner, from Germany, who arrived in Philladelphia (we think) on the Plaisance in 1732. He spent some years in PA before moving to SC. There were several Martins on the Plaisance, some of whom stayed in PA. Hans's first wife seems to have been a Martin, and they had a son named John Martin. Don't know if it's the same family as the one Hans came over with. Do you have any Martin ancestors from PA about this date? Doris Waggoner Seattle ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

You are absolutely right. That is not what this list is about. Susan asked a legitimate question which I have answered previously and for which she thanked me for. Please, people, no flaming! If you can't exercise caution or contribute constructively, use the delete key. We are here to help each other, not to pass unnecessary and rude comments. Cathy Collier Listowner: NYDUTCH-L, PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, and BRASSER-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RV4cats@aol.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 19 May, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] This List > Gee, that was a nice and polite statement..........it sure makes one feel > good about asking a question. Such attitude sure chased me away! > > > In a message dated 05/18/2002 5:55:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > advantagegroup@msn.com writes: > > << If you don't feel you need to subscribe to both lists, then get off this > one. > > > From: SusanS373@aol.com > Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYDUTCH] This List > Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:10:16 EDT > > Can someone please tell me the difference between the discussed topics of > this list and those of the Dutch-Colonies list. I am currently a subscriber > to the Dutch-Colonies list and have been since 1996. Some very in depth data > has been posted to this list and very informative discussions have taken > place over these past years involving early Dutch settlers to NY (Long > Island, New Amsterdam, Ulster Co etc...all now archived under > Dutch-Colonies.) I don't think we need to duplicate these lists nor do I > need > to subscribe to two on the same subject. The Dutch Colonies list has (at > last > count) over 1000 subscribers many of whom are true scholars of these early > families. Most of us have tied up many of our loose ends with the help of > these people! > > Just curious! : -) > > Susan > > > >> > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Gee, that was a nice and polite statement..........it sure makes one feel good about asking a question. Such attitude sure chased me away! In a message dated 05/18/2002 5:55:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, advantagegroup@msn.com writes: << If you don't feel you need to subscribe to both lists, then get off this one. From: SusanS373@aol.com Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYDUTCH] This List Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:10:16 EDT Can someone please tell me the difference between the discussed topics of this list and those of the Dutch-Colonies list. I am currently a subscriber to the Dutch-Colonies list and have been since 1996. Some very in depth data has been posted to this list and very informative discussions have taken place over these past years involving early Dutch settlers to NY (Long Island, New Amsterdam, Ulster Co etc...all now archived under Dutch-Colonies.) I don't think we need to duplicate these lists nor do I need to subscribe to two on the same subject. The Dutch Colonies list has (at last count) over 1000 subscribers many of whom are true scholars of these early families. Most of us have tied up many of our loose ends with the help of these people! Just curious! : -) Susan >>

Dear List Members, Roland's suggestion IS a good one. Thank you, Roland. This was also covered in my Welcome letter to you all when you joined. We are a fast-growing list and have, to date, 128 members combined between the List and Digest. In order for any list to be successful, though, it takes more than a large list of members. Although some have posted, I again would like to encourage everyone to post their surname interests and the counties they are searching in. I am sure we would all like to help one another. I am including the Welcome letter here for the benefit of those that may have overlooked it" "Welcome! You have been accepted as a member of the NYDUTCH-L message list. I hope you will enjoy your membership. I am asking everyone to post a "Hello" to the list to introduce themselves, and tell us where their interests lie. This message list is primarily for anyone with a genealogical interest in people from the Netherlands who settled in New York, hopefully focusing on that migration which began after 1800, as opposed to the DutchColonies-L list which deals with an earlier period. After you read this, it would be helpful if you sent a note to the NYDUTCH-L message list introducing yourself and noting the Surnames you are looking for. Please tell us where and when your Dutch immigrated in NY and where and when they emigrated from in Holland. Do you have any stories about your family you'd like to share? Any favorite traditions or customs handed down? How about recipes? Obits, Census records. Research tips on searching in the US and in the Netherlands. Websites. New York State is riddled with Dutch settlements. They are part of the fabric of the American culture that make it so unique. Of course, we'll want to search for our ancestor roots, post our surnames and look for those connections. But, the other objectives of this list are not only to make contact with our ancestors and new cousins, but to discover our heritage, by enriching what we know about them, their everyday lives, so we can begin to put flesh and bones to names and dates of our ancestors! And naturally, to have fun in the process! Hope to hear from you soon on the list! Cathy Collier, List Administrator" Cathy Collier Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY RADCLIFFE" <GLRadcliffe@msn.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 19 May, 2002 3:38 AM Subject: [NYDUTCH] Van Duyne Descendant > In answer to Roland's suggestion that we submit our Dutch ancestors' names, > I am a Van Duyne. My Van Duynes are now known as DINE. > > I'm particularly interested in the Van Duyne wills but have found only one so far > on the DUTCH-COLONIES-List. Lots of archives there. > > Gary Radcliffe > West Covina, CA > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Doris, I realize you have posted on Schermerhorn/Bastian, but I noticed the Montgomery Co. connection and you name of Waggoner. There were two Waggoner/Wagner families in Montgomery Co. I am from one that goes back to Engelhart Waggoner who came from German to Lancaster Co. PA and then to Montgomery Co. NY in mid 1700's. Any chance there is a connection? Elsie Wilson ehwilson@charter.net At 08:25 PM 5/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >Susanne, > >I'm doriswaggoner@juno.com > >The discrepancy in dates does look like a birth date and baptismal date. >The place sounds right as well, since one of her sons was born in >Montgomery Co. I have two separate lists of her children. Hers has four >more children on it than her husband's does--that's a real mystery. I >have descendant information for two of her children. Anyway, if you'll >give me your email address I'll send you both lists, and would be glad to >get more info on her and her family. Thanks for your help cracking open >the Schermerhorns for me--they've been a brick wall for years. That's >one advantage of lists like this--that someone more versed in Dutch >customs would recognize an equivalence in first names. > >Doris > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237