I don't have any Van Kleek's from Michigan. The Michigan "Van's" that I do have are Henry Van Allen, Mary Van Allen, Louis Van Buren, Increase McGee Van Dusen, Emiline Van Nostrand, James Madison Van Nostrand, O.I. (Isaac?) Van Tassel, and Sarah E. Van Woert. I don't have much about them, but anybody is welcome to what I have. Frank Young

Hello, I would like to thank everyone for the help with the name translations. I was hoping Joris was George now I am back another generation. Thanks again, Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl VerStreate jr." <daryl_7374@hotmail.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] New to the list > do you know of a > Sarah Weedijk married to a Cornelis Adrienssen in the area of Nieuwvliet > about 1750 > > >From: =cc=Dorothy Koenig <dkoenig@lmi.net> > >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] New to the list > >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Dear Kathy, The English equivalent of "Joris" is "George". "Jannetje" is > >"Jane", and "Claas" is the short form for "Nicholas". Dorothy > > > >On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Kathy wrote: > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > I was really glad to find this Mailing List it should be very > >interesting. > > > > > > I am searching my husbands side of the family which is Wedyke. The > >surname > > > is Wiedijk in the Netherlands. I found this out from a very nice man on > >the > > > Netherlands Mailing List. I am so glad he told me that because when I > >went > > > to the Library of Michigan to do research I found a book called, "Dutch > > > Immigrants in U.S. Ship Passenger Manifest, 1820-1880". I found my > >husbands > > > ggggrandfather and his whole in the Manifests. I was so excite I can > >not > > > tell you. If I wouldn't of known how to spell our surname I would of > >never > > > found them. So I am glad I had subscribed to the Netherlands Mailing > >List. > > > > > > Now, the dates are right on so I am really sure this is his family. > >They > > > arrived in the U.S. on 06/05/1846 here is some of what it said. It said > > > that their origin (country) was Netherlands, Dutch, Holland, they > >departed > > > from Rotterdam, Netherlands, the port they arrived at was New York, > > > occupation of my husbands gggggrandfather was Farmer, Landsman, peasant, > > > Agriculturalist, Countryman. The following are the names of all that > >came > > > over starting with my husbands gggggrandfather, Joris. Dirk is my > >husbands > > > ggggrandfather. > > > > > > Wiedijk, Joris age 56 > > > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 34 > > > Wiedijk, Dirk age 09 > > > Wiedijk, Klaas age 06 > > > Wiedijk, Guurtje age 02 > > > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 24 This is Joris's sister > > > > > > If anyone knows the English spellings for the first names of especially > >of > > > Joris I sure would appreciated the help. > > > > > > Thanks you so much and I am looking forward to reading all the email and > > > helping in anyway I can. > > > > > > > > > Kathy Wedyke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02 > > > > > > > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > > > Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy > >Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > >NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. > >Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the > >DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02

i sure don't. wish i could help.

thanks darlene. i don't have the spouses for most . it's better than when i started this search i only knew my mother's maiden name and nothing else really. i check out the ged com asap. thanks, april

do you know van vlecks from wolcott, ny >From: DTDoe@aol.com >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] vankleek >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:55:03 EDT > >April: > >If Lawrence Van Kleeck has given you ALL those Lines & whom they married, >That is as much as I could do. I have most of the Children of the early >lines. >I have a Ged Com File I sent on May 4, 2002 that you can consult. It is >the >Delamater File. Put in My Grandfather Bird Delamarter & the File dated May >4, 2002. This will give you an alphabetized List--Just go to the V's & put >in each >line you want. > > >Darlene T. Holling >DTDoe@aol.com > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== >NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. >Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the >DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

April: If Lawrence Van Kleeck has given you ALL those Lines & whom they married, That is as much as I could do. I have most of the Children of the early lines. I have a Ged Com File I sent on May 4, 2002 that you can consult. It is the Delamater File. Put in My Grandfather Bird Delamarter & the File dated May 4, 2002. This will give you an alphabetized List--Just go to the V's & put in each line you want. Darlene T. Holling DTDoe@aol.com

hi darlene, i don't have much . but my line goes ... joann vk. , robert thomas, james carpenter vk, james vk. (attorney in midland city ,mi.) , robert, simeon vk. jr. , lt. simeon peter ( founder of vankleek hill) ,peter barents,col. barent, baltus, barent baltes. any info would be great. laurence vk in uk. has given me that much info, but is busy at the moment. thanks, april

not a probllem me too, if tere is anything i can help with in Wayne county and i have the time let me know. >From: "Pamela Ward" <Rkivem0m@msn.com> >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] New also >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:26:55 -0400 > >I don't have a lot on this family but I do know that Jeremiah, Leah's >father, was the town clerk in Bayside, NY in 1789. He was born about 1737 >and married Abigail Vanderbilt in 1755. > >My Gr Gr Grandfather was John Stoothoff born in 1783. the only John I have >found born about that time was to Peter Stoothoff and Leah Vanderbilt. So >far, I have been unable to prove that they are one and the same. Oral >family history say we have Vanderbilts in the family. this is the only >connection I have ever found. My goal is to prove/disprove >the connection. ( I like to have my facts straight.) > >Where is Lyons, NY? I was originally from Albany county. My Stoothoff >were from Rockland County, NY and from Passaic county, NJ. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Daryl VerStreate jr. >Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:04 PM >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] New also > >the oldest vanderbilt i have is from lyons, ny. where are yours from > > > >From: "Pamela Ward" <Rkivem0m@msn.com> > >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [NYDUTCH] New also > >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:50:49 -0400 > > > >I, too, am new to this list. I am hopeful of getting help with my dutch > >ancesters. > > > >My Dutch surnames are Stoothoff, Garrabrant, and Terwilliger; with >possible > >connections to the Vanderbilts. > > > >I am trying to get more information on a John Stoothoff born about 1783 >to > >Peter Stoothoff and Leah/Leathe/Laco Vanderbilt. Does anyone have any > >clues on him??? > > > >TIA, > >Pam > > > > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > >NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated >post-1800. > >Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join >the > >DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== >NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. >Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the >DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== >Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy >Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

April: There is a Van Kleek -Van Kleeck Message Board On Ancestry, I know. My 4th G. Grandmother was Antonetta Van Kleeck, Wife of Moses Degraff. Which Van Kleeck is yours? I have a lot of info!! Wasn't there a Van Kleek Hill, Ontario. I think they were Loyalists. My Moses Degraff fought in The Revolution from Dutchess County, New York. I have the Line right up to my Antonetta. Darlene T. Holling

I don't have a lot on this family but I do know that Jeremiah, Leah's father, was the town clerk in Bayside, NY in 1789. He was born about 1737 and married Abigail Vanderbilt in 1755. My Gr Gr Grandfather was John Stoothoff born in 1783. the only John I have found born about that time was to Peter Stoothoff and Leah Vanderbilt. So far, I have been unable to prove that they are one and the same. Oral family history say we have Vanderbilts in the family. this is the only connection I have ever found. My goal is to prove/disprove the connection. ( I like to have my facts straight.) Where is Lyons, NY? I was originally from Albany county. My Stoothoff were from Rockland County, NY and from Passaic county, NJ. ----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl VerStreate jr. Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:04 PM To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] New also the oldest vanderbilt i have is from lyons, ny. where are yours from >From: "Pamela Ward" <Rkivem0m@msn.com> >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYDUTCH] New also >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:50:49 -0400 > >I, too, am new to this list. I am hopeful of getting help with my dutch >ancesters. > >My Dutch surnames are Stoothoff, Garrabrant, and Terwilliger; with possible >connections to the Vanderbilts. > >I am trying to get more information on a John Stoothoff born about 1783 to >Peter Stoothoff and Leah/Leathe/Laco Vanderbilt. Does anyone have any >clues on him??? > >TIA, >Pam > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== >NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. >Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the >DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

hi, i'm new to this list as well. i'm looking for any info on the van kleeks. i'm from the line that went to canada then on to michigan. any info would be greatly appreciated . thank you , april

the oldest vanderbilt i have is from lyons, ny. where are yours from >From: "Pamela Ward" <Rkivem0m@msn.com> >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYDUTCH] New also >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:50:49 -0400 > >I, too, am new to this list. I am hopeful of getting help with my dutch >ancesters. > >My Dutch surnames are Stoothoff, Garrabrant, and Terwilliger; with possible >connections to the Vanderbilts. > >I am trying to get more information on a John Stoothoff born about 1783 to >Peter Stoothoff and Leah/Leathe/Laco Vanderbilt. Does anyone have any >clues on him??? > >TIA, >Pam > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== >NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. >Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the >DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

I, too, am new to this list. I am hopeful of getting help with my dutch ancesters. My Dutch surnames are Stoothoff, Garrabrant, and Terwilliger; with possible connections to the Vanderbilts. I am trying to get more information on a John Stoothoff born about 1783 to Peter Stoothoff and Leah/Leathe/Laco Vanderbilt. Does anyone have any clues on him??? TIA, Pam

do you know of a Sarah Weedijk married to a Cornelis Adrienssen in the area of Nieuwvliet about 1750 >From: =cc=Dorothy Koenig <dkoenig@lmi.net> >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] New to the list >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) > >Dear Kathy, The English equivalent of "Joris" is "George". "Jannetje" is >"Jane", and "Claas" is the short form for "Nicholas". Dorothy > >On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Kathy wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I was really glad to find this Mailing List it should be very >interesting. > > > > I am searching my husbands side of the family which is Wedyke. The >surname > > is Wiedijk in the Netherlands. I found this out from a very nice man on >the > > Netherlands Mailing List. I am so glad he told me that because when I >went > > to the Library of Michigan to do research I found a book called, "Dutch > > Immigrants in U.S. Ship Passenger Manifest, 1820-1880". I found my >husbands > > ggggrandfather and his whole in the Manifests. I was so excite I can >not > > tell you. If I wouldn't of known how to spell our surname I would of >never > > found them. So I am glad I had subscribed to the Netherlands Mailing >List. > > > > Now, the dates are right on so I am really sure this is his family. >They > > arrived in the U.S. on 06/05/1846 here is some of what it said. It said > > that their origin (country) was Netherlands, Dutch, Holland, they >departed > > from Rotterdam, Netherlands, the port they arrived at was New York, > > occupation of my husbands gggggrandfather was Farmer, Landsman, peasant, > > Agriculturalist, Countryman. The following are the names of all that >came > > over starting with my husbands gggggrandfather, Joris. Dirk is my >husbands > > ggggrandfather. > > > > Wiedijk, Joris age 56 > > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 34 > > Wiedijk, Dirk age 09 > > Wiedijk, Klaas age 06 > > Wiedijk, Guurtje age 02 > > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 24 This is Joris's sister > > > > If anyone knows the English spellings for the first names of especially >of > > Joris I sure would appreciated the help. > > > > Thanks you so much and I am looking forward to reading all the email and > > helping in anyway I can. > > > > > > Kathy Wedyke > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02 > > > > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > > Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy >Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== >NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. >Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the >DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Kathy, Joris = George Jannetje = Jane or Janet Dirk = Richard or Theodore Klaas = Nicholas Guurtje = I suspect this is a mistranscription of the handwritten Geertje or Giertje. Both mean Gertrude. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathy wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I was really glad to find this Mailing List it should be very interesting. > > I am searching my husbands side of the family which is Wedyke. The surname > is Wiedijk in the Netherlands. I found this out from a very nice man on the > Netherlands Mailing List. I am so glad he told me that because when I went > to the Library of Michigan to do research I found a book called, "Dutch > Immigrants in U.S. Ship Passenger Manifest, 1820-1880". I found my husbands > ggggrandfather and his whole in the Manifests. I was so excite I can not > tell you. If I wouldn't of known how to spell our surname I would of never > found them. So I am glad I had subscribed to the Netherlands Mailing List. > > Now, the dates are right on so I am really sure this is his family. They > arrived in the U.S. on 06/05/1846 here is some of what it said. It said > that their origin (country) was Netherlands, Dutch, Holland, they departed > from Rotterdam, Netherlands, the port they arrived at was New York, > occupation of my husbands gggggrandfather was Farmer, Landsman, peasant, > Agriculturalist, Countryman. The following are the names of all that came > over starting with my husbands gggggrandfather, Joris. Dirk is my husbands > ggggrandfather. > > Wiedijk, Joris age 56 > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 34 > Wiedijk, Dirk age 09 > Wiedijk, Klaas age 06 > Wiedijk, Guurtje age 02 > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 24 This is Joris's sister > > If anyone knows the English spellings for the first names of especially of > Joris I sure would appreciated the help. > > Thanks you so much and I am looking forward to reading all the email and > helping in anyway I can. > > Kathy Wedyke >

Hello Everyone, I was really glad to find this Mailing List it should be very interesting. I am searching my husbands side of the family which is Wedyke. The surname is Wiedijk in the Netherlands. I found this out from a very nice man on the Netherlands Mailing List. I am so glad he told me that because when I went to the Library of Michigan to do research I found a book called, "Dutch Immigrants in U.S. Ship Passenger Manifest, 1820-1880". I found my husbands ggggrandfather and his whole in the Manifests. I was so excite I can not tell you. If I wouldn't of known how to spell our surname I would of never found them. So I am glad I had subscribed to the Netherlands Mailing List. Now, the dates are right on so I am really sure this is his family. They arrived in the U.S. on 06/05/1846 here is some of what it said. It said that their origin (country) was Netherlands, Dutch, Holland, they departed from Rotterdam, Netherlands, the port they arrived at was New York, occupation of my husbands gggggrandfather was Farmer, Landsman, peasant, Agriculturalist, Countryman. The following are the names of all that came over starting with my husbands gggggrandfather, Joris. Dirk is my husbands ggggrandfather. Wiedijk, Joris age 56 Wiedijk, Jannetje age 34 Wiedijk, Dirk age 09 Wiedijk, Klaas age 06 Wiedijk, Guurtje age 02 Wiedijk, Jannetje age 24 This is Joris's sister If anyone knows the English spellings for the first names of especially of Joris I sure would appreciated the help. Thanks you so much and I am looking forward to reading all the email and helping in anyway I can. Kathy Wedyke --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02

Dear Kathy, The English equivalent of "Joris" is "George". "Jannetje" is "Jane", and "Claas" is the short form for "Nicholas". Dorothy On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Kathy wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I was really glad to find this Mailing List it should be very interesting. > > I am searching my husbands side of the family which is Wedyke. The surname > is Wiedijk in the Netherlands. I found this out from a very nice man on the > Netherlands Mailing List. I am so glad he told me that because when I went > to the Library of Michigan to do research I found a book called, "Dutch > Immigrants in U.S. Ship Passenger Manifest, 1820-1880". I found my husbands > ggggrandfather and his whole in the Manifests. I was so excite I can not > tell you. If I wouldn't of known how to spell our surname I would of never > found them. So I am glad I had subscribed to the Netherlands Mailing List. > > Now, the dates are right on so I am really sure this is his family. They > arrived in the U.S. on 06/05/1846 here is some of what it said. It said > that their origin (country) was Netherlands, Dutch, Holland, they departed > from Rotterdam, Netherlands, the port they arrived at was New York, > occupation of my husbands gggggrandfather was Farmer, Landsman, peasant, > Agriculturalist, Countryman. The following are the names of all that came > over starting with my husbands gggggrandfather, Joris. Dirk is my husbands > ggggrandfather. > > Wiedijk, Joris age 56 > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 34 > Wiedijk, Dirk age 09 > Wiedijk, Klaas age 06 > Wiedijk, Guurtje age 02 > Wiedijk, Jannetje age 24 This is Joris's sister > > If anyone knows the English spellings for the first names of especially of > Joris I sure would appreciated the help. > > Thanks you so much and I am looking forward to reading all the email and > helping in anyway I can. > > > Kathy Wedyke > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/02 > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Cathy, The Kingdom of The Netherlands was not formed in one gettogether, but was shaped over the last 1000 years. In that time there were a lot of (strange) heirarchical structures. But the structure is best compared with that of the USA. Some provinces (Zeeland and Holland) formed a (business-)alliance (VOC), and other provinces (which were just states on their own) joined. The politics were very simple, just let everybody do what they like, as long it brings profit. So for the people the formation of The Netherlands was just that all the diffent kinds of money were thrown away and replaced by the Dutch Guilder (like the proces of the Euro last year). In a province every town, city or even a settlement of five people had it's own authority. So the mayor of Westkapelle answered directly to the province. Later on the town got less authority and the provinces more, but now even the provinces have almost no authority. All what can be placed central is placed central, so the penalty of stealing an apple is the same here as it is in Groningen. The most confusion comes from the names of parts of the country. Walcheren, just a name for the former island. As Zuid Beveland is just a name for an area, there are no exact boundaries and there is no government. On most maps, these names are not given. I just got my encyclopedia of my shelf: "Zeeland, province of The Netherlands, 2700 square km (1055 square mile) of which 1709 square km land (668 square mile). The province is made up of islands. In the Roman times, Zeeland was the point of which the Romans crossed the North Sea to the UK. The area south of the river Oosterschelde (runs throw Zeeland) was property of the count of Vlaanderen who lend it to the count of Holland in 1165. In 1296 Floris V defeated the nobles of Zeeland en Vlaanderen and Zeeland was joined with Holland. But in 1428 Philips van Bourgondie obtained Zeeland and it developed to a independant province. In 1577 Zeeland recognized Willem van Oranje as viceroy. In 1814 the province Zeeland was formed as it is today." The local authority is even more complicated... Greetings, Anne J. C. Simonse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Collier" <Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] Maps > Anne, thank for sending this in. I have a great degree of problem > ascertaining what is where in Zeeland. I haven't looked this site over fully > yet, but I hope that it will tell us not onlythe name of the towns, but the > areas that they were/are in. > > Does this site or can you give us the heirarchical geo-political structures > for the Netherlands? (i.e. City/Town, Parish, County, State/Province as > applies) Is there a website that addresses this totally? > > Thanks!! > > Cathy > > Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com > Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin > ks > Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) > http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 > &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome > > Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and > easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "De Zunne" <zunne@zeelandnet.nl> > To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, 19 May, 2002 9:44 AM > Subject: [NYDUTCH] Maps > > > > Dear All, > > > > For old maps on the internet the link > http://www.kb.nl/kb/galerie/indexatlas.html will take you to the Koninklijke > Bibliotheek. They have scanned the atlas Van der Hagen and the atlas > Beudeker. These maps are just viewable, but also downloadeble and with an > MrSid application downloaded, you can zoom in (very high resolution!). > > > > Only problem is that the site is in Dutch, so: > > > > Bron = Source > > Jaar = Year > > Naam = Name > > Gebied = Area > > Trefwoord = Reference > > > > Greetings, > > > > Anne J. C. Simonse > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Anne. That must drive people crazy! And me, being such a stickler for detail, I'm always looking to "fill in the blank." I always have this urge, when receiving a town reference, to fill in the county/parish, state/province fields in my database and I guess, from what you are saying, this may not be possible in all instances. Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Zunne" <zunne@zeelandnet.nl> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 26 May, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] Maps > Dear Cathy, > > The Kingdom of The Netherlands was not formed in one gettogether, but was > shaped over the last 1000 years. In that time there were a lot of (strange) > heirarchical structures. But the structure is best compared with that of the > USA. Some provinces (Zeeland and Holland) formed a (business-)alliance > (VOC), and other provinces (which were just states on their own) joined. The > politics were very simple, just let everybody do what they like, as long it > brings profit. So for the people the formation of The Netherlands was just > that all the diffent kinds of money were thrown away and replaced by the > Dutch Guilder (like the proces of the Euro last year). > > In a province every town, city or even a settlement of five people had it's > own authority. So the mayor of Westkapelle answered directly to the > province. Later on the town got less authority and the provinces more, but > now even the provinces have almost no authority. All what can be placed > central is placed central, so the penalty of stealing an apple is the same > here as it is in Groningen. > > The most confusion comes from the names of parts of the country. Walcheren, > just a name for the former island. As Zuid Beveland is just a name for an > area, there are no exact boundaries and there is no government. On most > maps, these names are not given. > > I just got my encyclopedia of my shelf: > > "Zeeland, province of The Netherlands, 2700 square km (1055 square mile) of > which 1709 square km land (668 square mile). The province is made up of > islands. In the Roman times, Zeeland was the point of which the Romans > crossed the North Sea to the UK. > > The area south of the river Oosterschelde (runs throw Zeeland) was property > of the count of Vlaanderen who lend it to the count of Holland in 1165. In > 1296 Floris V defeated the nobles of Zeeland en Vlaanderen and Zeeland was > joined with Holland. But in 1428 Philips van Bourgondie obtained Zeeland and > it developed to a independant province. In 1577 Zeeland recognized Willem > van Oranje as viceroy. In 1814 the province Zeeland was formed as it is > today." > > The local authority is even more complicated... > > Greetings, > > Anne J. C. Simonse > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy Collier" <Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NYDUTCH] Maps > > > > Anne, thank for sending this in. I have a great degree of problem > > ascertaining what is where in Zeeland. I haven't looked this site over > fully > > yet, but I hope that it will tell us not onlythe name of the towns, but > the > > areas that they were/are in. > > > > Does this site or can you give us the heirarchical geo-political > structures > > for the Netherlands? (i.e. City/Town, Parish, County, State/Province as > > applies) Is there a website that addresses this totally? > > > > Thanks!! > > > > Cathy > > > > Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com > > Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin > > ks > > Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) > > > http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 > > &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome > > > > Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and > > easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "De Zunne" <zunne@zeelandnet.nl> > > To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, 19 May, 2002 9:44 AM > > Subject: [NYDUTCH] Maps > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > For old maps on the internet the link > > http://www.kb.nl/kb/galerie/indexatlas.html will take you to the > Koninklijke > > Bibliotheek. They have scanned the atlas Van der Hagen and the atlas > > Beudeker. These maps are just viewable, but also downloadeble and with an > > MrSid application downloaded, you can zoom in (very high resolution!). > > > > > > Only problem is that the site is in Dutch, so: > > > > > > Bron = Source > > > Jaar = Year > > > Naam = Name > > > Gebied = Area > > > Trefwoord = Reference > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Anne J. C. Simonse > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > > NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated > post-1800. Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may > join the DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== > NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. Those wishing to also research the earlier period, 1600-1700, may join the DUTCH-COLONIES-L message list at Rootsweb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Anne, thank for sending this in. I have a great degree of problem ascertaining what is where in Zeeland. I haven't looked this site over fully yet, but I hope that it will tell us not onlythe name of the towns, but the areas that they were/are in. Does this site or can you give us the heirarchical geo-political structures for the Netherlands? (i.e. City/Town, Parish, County, State/Province as applies) Is there a website that addresses this totally? Thanks!! Cathy Listowner: PAPKE-L, KUTSCHKE-L, BRASSER-L and NYDUTCH-L @Rootsweb.com Papke & Collier Genealogy Home Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Cathleen-M-Collier/index.html#lin ks Pommernkontakte (managed by Gunthard Stuebs) http://pommernkontakte.de/index.html?sessid=902c28d2590217e7f984864cd40a4281 &mode=page&db=rc&page=welcome Grandparents are similar to a piece of string handy to have around and easily wrapped around the fingers of grandchildren. ----- Original Message ----- From: "De Zunne" <zunne@zeelandnet.nl> To: <NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 19 May, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: [NYDUTCH] Maps > Dear All, > > For old maps on the internet the link http://www.kb.nl/kb/galerie/indexatlas.html will take you to the Koninklijke Bibliotheek. They have scanned the atlas Van der Hagen and the atlas Beudeker. These maps are just viewable, but also downloadeble and with an MrSid application downloaded, you can zoom in (very high resolution!). > > Only problem is that the site is in Dutch, so: > > Bron = Source > Jaar = Year > Naam = Name > Gebied = Area > Trefwoord = Reference > > Greetings, > > Anne J. C. Simonse > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >