Continuing the queries of the SCHOUTEN line: Would anyone be able to identify which TAYLOR family this Mary Taylor belongs to? Aron Schouter found in: New York #2, 1740s-1880s Marriage Index Comments: The gender of Aron Schouter is male. Spouse: Mary Taylor Marriage Date: Aug 13, 1805 The following source has been recorded for this marriage: DUTCH REF CHURCH, FLATBUSH [KINGS CO] The following additional information has been recorded for this marriage: AT GOWANES Any expression of interest is always appreciated. Best regards, Virginia Jones Annapolis, Maryland, USA

Dear Dorothy: You bring up a very good point about the names for these people. I do get into quite a juggling act with many of these people and keeping track of the official given names, the Dutch to English translations, the "pet" names, and often the transcriber's tendency to take license with spellings, etc. Then complicate this with the variants of the surname and it is a "jungle out there". This is a prevalent problem throughout the SCHOUTEN lines of the New Netherlands origins. As you say "Lena" could have evolved from Magdalena Joosten, and since Adrian Schouten of Staten Island currently seems to have been an "immaculate conception" or hatched...it is good reasoning and starting point. Anthony Scout of Bucks County, PA, refers to his daughter in his Last Will as Elinor, so my work and compiling will generally refer to her as Elinor, as my focus is on the SCHOUTEN/SCOUT lines. It is interesting though that the Sutphin's generally refer to her as Lanah and the Scout's refer to her as Elinor. I always note this as an AKA Lanah in my database. Several of her grand daughters end up being named Hannah or Helena. I have the copy of Anthony Scout's Last Will, so I have seen with my own eyes that Anthony used the "English" name Elinor. It seems "Elinor" was used interchangeably with "Lanah" throughout her life. It also seems that old Anthony was intent in most everything he did to make the "English" transition for his family, and it appears this was important to him based on other documentation for this family. Elinor's husband's Last Will refers to her as "Leanah". Taking into consideration that these Colonials were notoriously poor spellers and that everyone spelled things phonetically, "Elinor" is used in post-1790 Scout family record for her, except her Last Will in which it is recorded once again as "Lanah". Lanah/Elinor Scout married Abraham Sutphin (another New Netherlands family of whom several branches migrated to Bucks County, PA.) And Sutphin is another naming nightmare. Sources: Wills: Abstracts: Book 5 : Bucks Co, PA 1786-1797; some earlier dates not previously recorded. SCOUT, Anthony. Warminster Twp. April 9, 1791. 5.258. 5.258. Anthony Scout of Warminster Twp. April 10, 1789. Proved April 9, 1791. Son-in-law Abraham Sutfan and Neighbor Daniel Longstreth exrs. Ch. James, Adrian, Anthony, William, Elinor and Mary. Gddau. Rachel, dau. of son Andrew December'd. Gddau. Mary dau. of son Thomas, December'd. Wits: Giles Craven, Harman Vansant, Elcie Vansant. Wills: Abstracts: Book 8: Bucks Co, PA 1808-1815 8.358. Lanah Sutphin, Warminster Twp,. widow. April 27, 1812. Proved October 9, 1813. Abraham McDowell exr. Daus. Mary McDowell and Ann Delaney. Gch. Eliza and Helena Delaney ch. of Jonathan and Ann. Wits: William Delaney and Eliza Delaney. Wills: Abstracts: Book 8: Bucks Co, PA 1808-1815 8.128. Abraham Sutphin, Warminster Twp., yeoman. June 14, 1804. Proved March 31, 1810. Wife Leanah. John McDowell and Jonathan Delaney exrs. Dau. Mary McDowell Lot of land where she lives in Warminster adj. James and Anthony Scout and Charles Vansant. Dau. Ann Delaney land on which I live adj. Harman Vansant and Anthony Scout. Dau. Elizabeth Craven land adj. above. Wits: Nathaniel Boileau, John Hunter. Thanks for your interest. Keep the ideas coming! Best regards, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: =KOEN9001=Dorothy Koenig [mailto:dkoenig@lmi.net] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:56 PM To: Virginia Jones Subject: RE: [NYDUTCH] Fw: re Scouten Dear Virginia, I just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed your complex SCHOUTEN message very much. I just want to comment on this paragraph: "But I have good reason to believe Adrian Schouten is the father of Anthony Scout of Warminster Bucks County, PA, and therefore is very likely a direct ancestor of mine. Ary and his wife appear as sponsors to baptism of Anthony's first child Lena (Elinor). Low Dutch Reformed Church at Neshaminy & Bensalem 1736, 27 Oct: Lena, child of Aentone SCHOTTEEN & Marytye KREBEN witnesses: Ari SCHOUTEN & his wife" Your Anthony is no doubt one of the older children of Adrian Schout and Maria Van Pelt since "Anthony" was named for his maternal grandfather, Anthony Teunisz Van Pelt. Adrian's son Anthony's daughter "Lena" may have been named for her maternal great-grandmother, Magdalena Joosten. I didn't know if this Lena Schout later adopted the name "Elinor" or if you were equating the names. Dorothy

Hi Cathy: There are several fragmented family groups known under the name of SCHOUTEN (the name also can appear as SCOUTEN) among the earliest Dutch records that I personally have within my reach. They stray from Albany to Staten Island to Half Moon and one or more appears to have migrated to Millstone NJ. And there are a number of points in between in NY that Schoutens appeared at one time or another. There are 2 different families plus Adrian Schouten, with generally accepted identifications. But they do not appear to be related to each other in any direct lineage at least, father to son, and so forth. The man I have been most interested in, and frustrated with, has been Adrian Schouten. He appears on tax lists as early as 1706 identified and generally accepted as the man named Arria Scoutt, age 30 in Staten Island. Ary/Arie and Arria are all acceptable variant nicknames for Adrian as far as I can tell. It seems that no one yet knows exactly who Adrian Schouten is. In the NYGBS Record Volume 116, Number: 1 (January 1985) one of the Schouten articles written by Kenn Stryker-Rodda addresses Adrian Schouten. The article is short and stipulates that Adrian is apparently unrelated to either of the Schouten families studied. (Those other 2 were Jan Lucas Schouten and Symon Schouten.) Adrian is married between 1706 and 1711 to Maria Van Pelt daughter of Anthony Teunisse Van Pelt and Lena Joosten (Brooklyn Dutch Reformed Church Records.) And the final statement in the NYGBS Article is that "nothing further has been found about Adrian". Sounds somewhat hopeless. I suppose the date range used in the article is determined by the information that placed Ary as a single man of 30 in 1706 and when he next appears as a sponsor to Baptism in 1711 Port Richmond NY. Staten Island Church Records FHLbook Helena RYCHEN d/o Ryck RYCKEN & Elisabeth SWAIM christened on 23 Oct 1711 Port Richmond, Richmond Co, NY Witnesses: Adrien SCHOUTEN & Marytje (VAN PELT) SCHOUTEN Author: Teunis G. Bergen Title: Register in alphabetical order, of the early settlers of Kings County, Long Island, N.Y But I have good reason to believe Adrian Schouten is the father of Anthony Scout of Warminster Bucks County, PA, and therefore is very likely a direct ancestor of mine. Ary and his wife appear as sponsors to baptism of Anthony's first child Lena (Elinor). Low Dutch Reformed Church at Neshaminy & Bensalem 1736, 27 Oct: Lena, child of Aentone SCHOTTEEN & Marytye KREBEN witnesses: Ari SCHOUTEN & his wife Actually Adrian and Anthony both appear as early as 1732 in deed records in Warminster Twp., Bucks Co. PA. And there is other evidence to back up the Bucks County migration. But back to New York...The Van Pelt geneaogy research contends that Adrian Schouten married Maria Van Pelt mentioned above and states that they did move to Bucks Co., PA. I have not been able to find any actual marriage banns or record of marriage for Adrian and Maria in New York (or New Jersey.) And there you have it! I have stumbled over a mention or 2 of this Von Schouten or Van Schouten as well. I would appreciate it if you might be able to relocate those references for me when you have time. I have also found several other "orphaned" Schouten's throughout references in the early New Netherlands records but nothing seems to click. The earliest official record that I have seen for anyone named Schouten is 1640. Baptisms of New Amsterdam Reformed Dutch Church 1639-1730. 1640 Sep 09; Pieter Cornelis; Willem; Everadrus Bogardus, Willem Schouten, Maritje Jans, Maritje Thymens But then Willem Schouten seems to fall off of the face of the earth. I have been very curious who this Willem Schouten is and how he related to the child, Willem, or Pieter Cornelis, the father. Care to venture a guess or take a stab at which family Pieter Cornelis belongs to? I won't hold you to it. Any reasonable guess is as good as anything I can come up with. I have lately been trying to determine if there is some patronymic association to Adrian Schouten and the only one that continues to come up remotely possible is among the WILLEM ADRIANSE BENNET family. But there is even disagreement there. In one place I found the following of Adriaen Bennett married to a Maria Van Pelt, but she is supposedly the daughter of Wouter Tunis Van Pelt and Marytje Janse Schaers by their determination: Children of Jan Bennet and Femmetje Rapalie: +1. Ariaen/Adriaen bp 7 June 1697 Brooklyn NY; supposedly married (1) Maria Van Pelt; daughter of Wouter Tunis Van Pelt and Marytje Janse Schaers; married (2) Grietje (unknown). 2. Joris bp 28 Aug 1698 Flatbush NY; married Sarah Dorland; daughter of Rem Dorland and Annetje Snedeker. 3. Jeromus/Hieronemus bp 1 Apr 1700 Brooklyn NY; died 20 Mar 1785 Oyster Bay NY; married Neeltje Hoogland; daughter of Willem Hoogland and Neeltje Reyersen. 4. Annetje. 5. Phebe born 24 Apr 1706 NY; married 27 Nov 1724 Daniel Voorhees born 7 Dec 1701; son of Cornelis Voorhees and Antje Rapalie. 6. Johannes married Sarah Luyster; daughter of Peter Luyster. 7. Catharine married Elbert Hoogland bp 18 Oct 1705 Jamaica NY DRC. 8. Angenietje married 22 Apr 1737 (supposedly) Rem Vanderbeek. Then another reference has this: MAGDALENA JOOSTEN Baptised: 2 Nov. 1679 at: Reformed Dutch Church of Flatbush Witnesses: Wynant Petersen and wife, Janetie Aukes V. Nuys Spouse: prob. ISAAC BENNET Married: abt. 1697 Parents: Adriaen Willemse and Annetie Jans Van Dyck Born: abt. 1674 at: prob. New Utrecht Children: 1. ARIE BENNET, was bap. 7 Aug. 1698 at the Reformed Dutch Church of Brooklyn. Wit.: Aria Bennet and Angenietje, his wife. He mar. as his first wife MARIA VAN PELT, who was a dau. of Wouter Theunise Van Pelt. He mar. as his second wife JANE GRIGGS, who was a dau. of Benjamin Griggs and Margrietje Van Driest. One of these 2 references was from Distinguished Families in America Descended From Silgelmus Beekman and Jan Thomasse Van Dyke. The other was a BENNETT genealogy. The dates of both of these purported lineages make me suspect of the ID on Arie BENNETT. More on this Andrian Schouten dihlemma later. I have to gather my sources and I can fill you in on more of the early New Netherlands Schouten references. Thanks so much for your interest. Hope to hear from you soon. I appreciate having anyone to toss this around with, as it is driving me to obsession and no one else seems to be touching on the Schouten lineage! Best regards, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Collier [mailto:Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:10 PM To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYDUTCH] Fw: Virginia Jones re Scouten Reposted to list -- read on: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Livingston" <emlivingston@worldnet.att.net> To: <Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, 05 February, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Virginia Jones re Scouten > I am not sure how to handle this but will send this back re Cathy: > Thank you, Virginia, for your reply. I had read somewhere that > Theodorus (great name with Morris!) was later in Saratoga Springs , > but thought him a widower . Did not know that Gyellettye was still > with him. Martha Usher was their daughter, a widow at that time living with > her parents. She later married Samuel Mills, I believe in Rome where > they lived until they moved back to Lowville where Samuel had grown up, and had > married first Emily Foote. Samuel and Martha (Maria Morris) were my great > grandpaerents. Their daughter, Althina Gillette Mills, my grandmother, > stated she did not want any children named after her! She married John > Franklin Murch; My father was Edwin Randall Murch. I know nothing else about > the Scoutens (except that there were several in the Half Moon > district: Hugh, Andrew, David and others who could be G's father. But > I have not been > able to find out anything more. The town of Half Moon is no more and > I find > NY resoures not easy. The Mills came from Windsor, CT in the 1600's, > and tracing their line fun. Especially as I lived right nearby till > this year.I > noted in some research that there were Van - or von Scoutens down the river > (name changed in one church) Only early note was listing a servant arriving > in NYC for a Scouten. I haven't looked at this stuff for years and > have trouble finding things now that I have moved. Do tell me what you > know about > the Scoutens. I read that Scouten means "green peas" ??? > >

Reposted to list -- read on: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Livingston" <emlivingston@worldnet.att.net> To: <Cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, 05 February, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Virginia Jones re Scouten > I am not sure how to handle this but will send this back re Cathy: > Thank you, Virginia, for your reply. I had read somewhere that Theodorus > (great name with Morris!) was later in Saratoga > Springs , but thought him a widower . Did not know that Gyellettye was still > with him. Martha Usher was their daughter, a widow at that time living with > her parents. She later married Samuel Mills, I believe in Rome where they > lived until they moved back to Lowville where Samuel had grown up, and had > married first Emily Foote. Samuel and Martha (Maria Morris) were my great > grandpaerents. Their daughter, Althina Gillette Mills, my grandmother, > stated she did not want any children named after her! She married John > Franklin Murch; My father was Edwin Randall Murch. I know nothing else about > the Scoutens (except that there were several in the Half Moon district: > Hugh, Andrew, David and others who could be G's father. But I have not been > able to find out anything more. The town of Half Moon is no more and I find > NY resoures not easy. The Mills came from Windsor, CT in the 1600's, and > tracing their line fun. Especially as I lived right nearby till this year.I > noted in some research that there were Van - or von Scoutens down the river > (name changed in one church) Only early note was listing a servant arriving > in NYC for a Scouten. I haven't looked at this stuff for years and have > trouble finding things now that I have moved. Do tell me what you know about > the Scoutens. I read that Scouten means "green peas" ??? > >

Hi Jan, here's your translation: Ingeschreven = registered -marriage baus- = marriage banns (seems to be written in English already) den II July = the July 11 Jacob Salomonsy Goewey = (this is his name) V. amst = From Amst(erdam?) woonende omtrent de deutelbay = living about the deutelbay met Maatje Keer = with Maatje Keer Wed. V. Cornelis Van d. Werf = Widow Of Cornelis van de Werf woonende alhier = living here (alhier means: here in this town or city) I hope this helps you. With kind regards, Evert ter Haar Bunschoten, the Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: jnrose@webtv.net To: Unlisted-recipients Sent: 4-2-03 23:15 Subject: [NYDUTCH] translate GOEWEY, J.S. marriage notice Hi, I'm new to this list. Can someone translate this marriage notice of my ancestor for me? Thanks in advance, Jan Jordan in Vermont Marriage notice "Ingeschreven-marriage baus-den II July Jacob Salomonsy Goewey, V, amst: woonende omtrent de deutelbay, met Maatje Keer, Wed. V. Cornelis Van d. Werf, woonende alhier." ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

California already has such a law and a massive write-in campaign to legislators did zilch in the way of stopping it. Good luck, perhaps your state will have better sense. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: genmail@1st.net [mailto:genmail@1st.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:49 PM To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYDUTCH] DISCUSSION TONIGHT- More Proposed Restriction of Public Access to Records- Please forgive me if you receive more than one of this message as a result of being subscribed to more than one mailing list. It's an important enough issue to both genealogists and the public in general that we should get the word out quickly. If the increasing trend towards closure of public records throughout the country is of concern to you, be sure to tune in to the DearMYRTLE internet radio show discussing the topic TONIGHT by visiting www.DearMYRTLE.com and call the show 1-877-638-7234 between 9-10 p.m.Eastern Standard Time in US. Below is the post relating details of the show and a post Myrtle received regarding proposed legislation now in Indiana, following on the heals of the one that came up and passed in the VA House the other day. There's another one proposed in Missouri: http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/member/mem115.htm It's not too late to stop either of these bills if everyone takes action. While protecting ourselves against identity theft is essential, both the VA bill (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/VAALBEMA/) (text of VA bill attached at end of this post) and the IN bill (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INHENRY/2003-02) http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2003/IN/IN1540.1.html are very poorly written and ambiguous, giving up much more than is necessary for reasonable and adequate protection of privacy against identity theft. The genealogy community must NOT be naive and think that we can simply sit back and blindly trust the "good intentions" of the people sponsoring such bills. Sometimes good intentions are enough; but when it comes to law, good intentions carried out with incompetence can be devastating. Regardless of the writer's intent, laws are carried out exactly according to what they actually say, only to the limits or with the intentions that are clearly and unmistakenly written therein. If the wording of the law is broad and vague enough to allow very strict limitations to access, you can bet that such strict limitations will ultimately occur. Likewise as genealogists, sitting by and saying "that's not my state, it's not my concern" is extremely foolish, because (1) we know our ancestors may leave us searching for their records anywhere; (2) every such law that is passed anywhere sets precedent for more to be passed;and (3) genealogy or not, these laws seriously restrict the freedoms on which our country was founded and for which our mothers have sent their sons (and now daughters) to die in defense thereof for over 200 years. I don't want to give the impression that I'm a fanatic, but the basic scenario of naive people blindly trusting the "intent" of their leaders and allowing certain restrictive laws to be passed while everyone stood by and did nothing, eventually resulted in the European holocaust of the Jews, not to mention the countless other human tragedies in history! The time to stop such serious restrictions is BEFORE the laws are enacted, not later. Please help spread the word about this critical matter; tune into www.DearMYRTLE.com tonight from 9-10 p.m.EST US; and contact the legislators of any state considering such legislation to make it clear that you are against it for very good reasons. Diane ------ <START> > 030940904 > HOUSE BILL NO. 2426 > AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE > (Proposed by the House Committee on General Laws > on January 28, 2003) > (Patron Prior to Substitute--Delegate Nixon) > A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered > 2.2-3808.2, relating to posting certain information on the Internet; > prohibitions. > Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia: > > 1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered > 2.2-3808.2 as follows: > > § 2.2-3808.2. Posting certain information on the Internet; prohibitions. > > A. Beginning July 1, 2003, no state agency or court clerk shall post on a > state agency or court-controlled website any document that contains the > following information: (i) an actual signature; (ii) a social security > number; (iii) a date of birth identified with a particular person; (iv) the > maiden name of a person's parent so as to be identified with a particular > person; (v) any financial account number or numbers; or (vi) the name and > age of any minor child. > > B. Every agency and every court clerk that posts any document on a state > agency or court-controlled website may require that any party who files > documents in any form with such agency or clerk provide, in addition to the > original document, a redacted copy of such documents that excises the > information prohibited by subsection A. Failure to provide such redacted > copy shall relieve the agency or court clerk of any liability or > responsibility in the event that such information is posted on a state > agency or court-controlled website. > > Each such agency and clerk shall post notice that (i) includes a list of the > documents routinely posted on its website, (ii) the information listed in > subsection A shall be redacted from such documents, and (iii) such documents > are for informational purposes only. Such notice shall indicate the location > of the original document. > > C. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit access to any > original document as provided by law. > <END> > ==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== NYDUTCH-L is directed primarily toward those Dutch who emigrated post-1800. 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Please forgive me if you receive more than one of this message as a result of being subscribed to more than one mailing list. It's an important enough issue to both genealogists and the public in general that we should get the word out quickly. If the increasing trend towards closure of public records throughout the country is of concern to you, be sure to tune in to the DearMYRTLE internet radio show discussing the topic TONIGHT by visiting www.DearMYRTLE.com and call the show 1-877-638-7234 between 9-10 p.m.Eastern Standard Time in US. Below is the post relating details of the show and a post Myrtle received regarding proposed legislation now in Indiana, following on the heals of the one that came up and passed in the VA House the other day. There's another one proposed in Missouri: http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/member/mem115.htm It's not too late to stop either of these bills if everyone takes action. While protecting ourselves against identity theft is essential, both the VA bill (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/VAALBEMA/) (text of VA bill attached at end of this post) and the IN bill (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INHENRY/2003-02) http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2003/IN/IN1540.1.html are very poorly written and ambiguous, giving up much more than is necessary for reasonable and adequate protection of privacy against identity theft. The genealogy community must NOT be naive and think that we can simply sit back and blindly trust the "good intentions" of the people sponsoring such bills. Sometimes good intentions are enough; but when it comes to law, good intentions carried out with incompetence can be devastating. Regardless of the writer's intent, laws are carried out exactly according to what they actually say, only to the limits or with the intentions that are clearly and unmistakenly written therein. If the wording of the law is broad and vague enough to allow very strict limitations to access, you can bet that such strict limitations will ultimately occur. Likewise as genealogists, sitting by and saying "that's not my state, it's not my concern" is extremely foolish, because (1) we know our ancestors may leave us searching for their records anywhere; (2) every such law that is passed anywhere sets precedent for more to be passed;and (3) genealogy or not, these laws seriously restrict the freedoms on which our country was founded and for which our mothers have sent their sons (and now daughters) to die in defense thereof for over 200 years. I don't want to give the impression that I'm a fanatic, but the basic scenario of naive people blindly trusting the "intent" of their leaders and allowing certain restrictive laws to be passed while everyone stood by and did nothing, eventually resulted in the European holocaust of the Jews, not to mention the countless other human tragedies in history! The time to stop such serious restrictions is BEFORE the laws are enacted, not later. Please help spread the word about this critical matter; tune into www.DearMYRTLE.com tonight from 9-10 p.m.EST US; and contact the legislators of any state considering such legislation to make it clear that you are against it for very good reasons. Diane ------ <START> > 030940904 > HOUSE BILL NO. 2426 > AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE > (Proposed by the House Committee on General Laws > on January 28, 2003) > (Patron Prior to Substitute--Delegate Nixon) > A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered > 2.2-3808.2, relating to posting certain information on the Internet; > prohibitions. > Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia: > > 1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered > 2.2-3808.2 as follows: > > § 2.2-3808.2. Posting certain information on the Internet; prohibitions. > > A. Beginning July 1, 2003, no state agency or court clerk shall post on a > state agency or court-controlled website any document that contains the > following information: (i) an actual signature; (ii) a social security > number; (iii) a date of birth identified with a particular person; (iv) the > maiden name of a person's parent so as to be identified with a particular > person; (v) any financial account number or numbers; or (vi) the name and > age of any minor child. > > B. Every agency and every court clerk that posts any document on a state > agency or court-controlled website may require that any party who files > documents in any form with such agency or clerk provide, in addition to the > original document, a redacted copy of such documents that excises the > information prohibited by subsection A. Failure to provide such redacted > copy shall relieve the agency or court clerk of any liability or > responsibility in the event that such information is posted on a state > agency or court-controlled website. > > Each such agency and clerk shall post notice that (i) includes a list of the > documents routinely posted on its website, (ii) the information listed in > subsection A shall be redacted from such documents, and (iii) such documents > are for informational purposes only. Such notice shall indicate the location > of the original document. > > C. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit access to any > original document as provided by law. > <END> >

Hi, I'm new to this list. Can someone translate this marriage notice of my ancestor for me? Thanks in advance, Jan Jordan in Vermont Marriage notice "Ingeschreven-marriage baus-den II July Jacob Salomonsy Goewey, V, amst: woonende omtrent de deutelbay, met Maatje Keer, Wed. V. Cornelis Van d. Werf, woonende alhier."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Livingston" <emlivingston@worldnet.att.net> To: <nydutch-l-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 30 January, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Scouten Family > I am interested in the parents of Gillettye Scouten who married Theodorus > Morris. They lived , I believe in Half Moon,(named Orange in 1816 but > renamed Half Moon in 1820), Saratoga Co., NY. At least their daughter did. > This daughter, Martha Maria Morris,born in 1815, married first, Robert > Usher; then Samuel Mills. She and Samuel lived in Lowville, Lewis Co. NY > >

Henrietta D. Devoue (Devoe) b. 1824 and d. 1858 marr. Sidney Corbett 1847. Henrietta was dau. of Sheppard and Martha (Morgan) Devoue. I am looking for you if you are related to this couple. Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

Hi Dan, The Schenectady Reformed Church marriage book lists the marriage of Jurry Wagenaar and Susanna Mans on 7 Jul 1766. They were both from Rensselaerwyck. On 2 Sep 1787 a John Wagenaar married Elizabeth Meyer in the same church. They were from Helderberg. The Schenectady Reformed Church baptism book lists the baptism of Anna to Jurry Wannaar and Susanna Man on 7 Dec 1769. The sponsors were Johannes Man and Anna Man. A son Pieter was baptized on 13 May 1772. The sponsors were Michael Frederick and Catarina Frederick. A son Jurry was baptized on 21 Apr 1777. The sponsors were Willem Ward & Elizabeth Ward. A Johannes Wagenaar and Elizabeth Smith had a son Hendrick baptized in the Schenectady Reformed Church on 11 Aug 1778. The sponsors were Hendrick Aplee and Eva Aplee. John Wagenaar and Elizabeth Meyer had 3 children baptized in the Schenectady Reformed Church. Jurrie who was born 20 Dec 1789 was baptized 4 Feb 1790. The sponsors were Pieter Meyer & Grietje Applee. Susanna who was born on 27 Feb 1792 was baptized on 8 Apr 1792. The sponsors were Jacob Delmont & Debora Bradt. William who was born 9 Nov 1796 was baptized on 14 Nov 1796. There were no sponsors. John who was born 2 Feb 1809 was baptized 1 Jun 1809. There were no sponsors. Richard

Hello, everyone. My name is Dan Waggoner and have just joined this list. I was wondering if anyone out there connects to two brothers from Schenectady Co., NY named John Emanuel and George Waggoner. John, from whom I am likely descended, appears to have been born there in abt. 1753. He later emigrated to Kingston, Frontenac Co, Ontario sometime in the 1790's. He had two sons named John and Emauel. The family was said to be Dutch, but it is my understanding that the word could refer to the Dutch or Germans at that time. John had a brother named George and the names of the parents are unknown. The spelling of the name has remained unchanged in my direct line of descent. If this sounds familiar to anyone, please let me know. Sinceely, Dan Waggoner

I would like to make contact with any family members of this couple. Catherine Ann Archer , no dates, m. 1847 in NYC. to John Devoe b. 1811. They had; Charles b. 1848 Margaret 1850 Charlotte 1852 Emma 1854 Henry 1855 Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

I would like to make contact with family members of this couple; Charlotte K. Carter marr. 1853 NY to Edward A. Devoe b. 1835 NY Had; Edward b. 1855 Bronx Frank 1857 Bronx Samuel 1859 Bronx m. Eva M. Keen NY Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

I would like to make contact with family members of this couple. Auley Odell d. 1799 marr. 1754 WEestchester, NY to Daniel Devoe b. 1722 They had ; Hannah b. 1756 m. Capt. John Murphy Mary 1758 m. Frederick Brown Rebecca 1760 m. John Devoe a cousin Isaac 1763 Sarah 1768 m. John White John 1770 m. Dorothy Fowler 1800 Hester 1773 m. Phineas Rich NY Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

I would like to make contact with family members of Helen Goodwin mar. 1791 to John DeVoe who was b. 1761 Harlem, NY They had: Abraham b. 1792 marr. Lucy Saafe Henry 1794 m. Hannah Allen 1814 Homer, NY John 1797 Mary 1801 m. William Cheny David 1805 m. Cornelia Ackerman. David d. Savannah, GA. Elizabeth 1807 m. Smith Hulburt 1829 at Cortland Co. NY. Eli 1809 m. Abigal Speer and d. 1874 Summit NJ. Phoebe 1812 m. Charles Tozer Elijah 1814 m. Harriet Porter Harriet 1815 m. Alexander Morrison Marilla 1817 m. Joseph Fletcher Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

I am looking to contact family members of Jane (Briggs) and Abraham Devoe. He was b. 1792 NY The couple had; James b. 1818 m. Catharine Smith Lysander 1822 m. Eliza M. Dean Catharine 1825 m. John Green Frederick 1827 Thank you, Duane -- Donna & Duane DeVoe Come Visit Lena, Illinois! http://www.villageoflena.com

I have ancestors that came from Hollond and first settled in New York (Washington and Columbia Counties) and then in about 1814 or just after, went first to Iowa and then to Louisiana (presumably down the Mississippi) and then were in Texas by early 1820's. I have not found the parents of this couple. When Lucretia applied for a Mexican Land Grant in Texas (1835) she stated that she was from Keneda. Can anyone help me with this family? Linda Bowden Texas

At 08:59 PM 1/8/03, you wrote: >I am searching for info on my ggrandfather Christiaan Bovenkamp/Bovencamp >who came to Day Center, Saratoga Co. NY in 1847 from Holland. He was >born abt. 1797 and died 1854. wish to hear from any one of his known >family. One son, Harmon, died in the civil war at 18 yrs. old. Another >son, Henry, after the civil war, lived at Edinburgh, Saratoga, NY and >died there. Another son was my grandfather Barnard James b. 1851, lived >in Idaho. Another son the youngest, was John C. Bovencamp. There were >some daughters also. I believe Christian's wife may have been Jane or >Dena. I also believe Dena may have married Elnathan Frasier after the >death of Christian Bovencamp. Immigration Records: Dutch in America, 1800s FTM 269 Bovenkamp, Christiaan Family Status: Husband Age: 50 Sex: Male Occupation: Farmer, landsman, peasant, agriculturalist, countryman Ship Accommodations: Steerage Port of Embarkation:London, England Port of Arrival: New York Vessel: Audobon Destination: U.S.A. (no specific place stated) Date of Arrival: 10/11/47 Last Residence: Unidentified dutch municipality Microfilm Roll: M-237 New York Reel: 69 *********************************************************************** Bovenkamp, Jane Family Status: Wife Age: ?91 Sex: Female Occupation: Housewife, matron *********************************************************************** Bovenkamp, Gerrard Family Status: Son Age: 3 Sex: Male *********************************************************************** Bovenkamp, Aaron Family Status: Son Age: 0 Sex: Male *********************************************************************** Bovenkamp, Henrick Family Status: Son Age: 6 Sex: Male Groetjes from.......................Peter!!!!!! Docs4u Research. Genealogical research service for Canadians and Americans from Nederland, Belgium , Indonesia and the British Isles. Very reasonable rates. Mailto:docs4u@shaw.ca Peter Jm van Schaik 237 Mount Blakiston Road West , Lethbridge Alberta,Canada postal code; T1K-6M8 Phone number 403-394-0063

Good evening from Canada, BOVENKAMP Christian male husband age 50 farmer departed from London England via steerage bound for New York aboard Audobon on 10-11-1847 (d-m-yr) Micro film M-237 New York Reel # 69. BOVENKAMP Jane housewife says age 91 but a type-o. BOVENKAMP Gerard age 3 BOVENKAMP Aaron age 0 BOVENKAMP Hendrik age 6 Source CD-269 Dutch in America 1820-1880. If you are interested in the ships details check out www.theshipslist.com Best Wishes, Joanne >From: pylltaur@juno.com >Reply-To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: NYDUTCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYDUTCH] Bovenkamp >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:59:11 -0700 > >I am searching for info on my ggrandfather Christiaan Bovenkamp/Bovencamp >who came to Day Center, Saratoga Co. NY in 1847 from Holland. He was >born abt. 1797 and died 1854. wish to hear from any one of his known >family. One son, Harmon, died in the civil war at 18 yrs. old. Another >son, Henry, after the civil war, lived at Edinburgh, Saratoga, NY and >died there. Another son was my grandfather Barnard James b. 1851, lived >in Idaho. Another son the youngest, was John C. Bovencamp. There were >some daughters also. I believe Christian's wife may have been Jane or >Dena. I also believe Dena may have married Elnathan Frasier after the >death of Christian Bovencamp. > > >==== NYDUTCH Mailing List ==== >Questions, problems, or comments may be directed to the Listowner, Cathy >Collier <cathyclerk@cfl.rr.com> > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail