I owe a note of thanks to all for the Scottish-Delaware County question and comments. Through this I became aware for the first time of the Castle Garden Port in NYC. I had wondered why I couldn't find a record of my ancestors at the Ellis Island website. I found them listed by using the search engine at castlegarden.org. From 1830 to 1892, immigrants to New York City came through a port called Castle Garden, where Castle Clinton National Monument is located today at The Battery on Manhattan. Ellis Island opened in 1892. This gave me the name of their ship "The City of New York", and with that I found http://immigrantships.net. At this site I found a complete passenger list http://immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/newyorkco18580630.html which was actually more accurate than the one at castlegarden.org that contained mistakes in my ancestor's ages and country of origin. The list wasn't transcribed until 2005, so if you haven't searched for a passenger list since then, I re! commend this site. Oh, interestingly enough they listed their destination as Ohio, not Bovina. I think they went to Bovina to settle with relatives, but then they did end up moving to Ohio for the land rush and later back to Virginia, but that's another story. Thanks so much! This was a major break-through for my research!!! What a great Independence Day gift! All the more meaningful as we welcome our new daughter and American citizen Sofia home from Guatemala. Woohoo! Alan Downie