Kathy and all, Bovina also has an easy naming background. A Bovine is a latin name for a cow (and bull), and in the early days there were lots of bovines in that area. So the name became generally accepted and sticks till today. While we all have favorites, many of the different breeds are quite good looking, and of course produce milk. We had Milking Shorthorns, a breed from Scotland originally, but the Jerseys from the Isle of Jersey were some of the prettiest. They also held milk production records for years. Did you know that Meridale farms had the largest number of purebreds other than the King Ranch in texas, and that the butter contract for the US Navy was also held by Meridale Farms during WWI? Delaware County was also the largest producer of milk and milk products for many years until NYC took some of the best farmland so that the immigrants of NYC could wash their dirty feet. Jeremiah Palmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy & Gene Barnes" <vkb@twcny.rr.com> To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > My family is Russell, Chisholm & Winter from New Kingston, Town of > Middletown, just over the mountain from Bovina. This area was also known as > the Livingston Patent. > We still have original property from the early 1800's when they also > migrated to the area. > The story I was told and it is in history books is that during the > Revolutionary War, the British burned Kingston, NY. Robert Livingston gave > land to anyone burned out in Kingston to the Patent. The Dutch and the > Scots took the offer and this is somewhat supported by the family names from > history and who are still in the area. Also, that the Dutch "took the low > lands" and the Scots "took the highlands". > I'm not sure how Bovina got it's name but New Kingston seems obvious and > Margaretville was named after Margaret Livingstone. > That is the story passed on through generations. > Kathy Russell Barnes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <vcaema@destin.com> > To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:03 AM > Subject: Re: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > > > > Some years ago when I was researching my Patterson/Pattisons of Roxbury, > > Delaware, > > NY, a researcher concerning the reason for our ancestor, Michael Pattison, > > coming to > > Delaware County. If I remember correctly, many Scots-Irish came during > > the > > Revolutionary War to fight and stayed with Dutch families in Ulster > > County. > > Following the war, they were given land in Delaware County - especially > > Middletown. > > Michael and his Dutch wife, Catherine Osterhoudt moved at some time to > > Roxbury. > > (Although it's not proven that Michael was in the Revolutionary war, the > > idea still > > applies to others.) > > > > So, if you have a Scots-Irish ancester who came to America in the late > > 1700s and > > subsequently married a Dutch wife, this my be your situation. > > > > Vernon Aldrich > > > > > > Vernon C. Aldrich > > > > Surnames: Aldrich, Hoadley, Mallet, Preston, Patterson, Hammond, Robinson, > > Kimball, > > White, Nott, Ely, Burness, Rintoul, Summerhayse > > ***************** > > The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: > > The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be > > gracious unto thee: > > The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give > > thee peace. Num. 6:24-26 > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Get free email at http://mail.destin.com > > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Like all the history being posted on the web site. The Sullivan County has a web page posting early settlers in the area the web page is www.sullivancountyhistory.org Lloyd James O'Donnell <jfwlodonnell@erols.com> wrote: The suggestions in several messages as to why Scots and Irish chose to live in Delaware County are thought provoking. I had relatives from Ireland who lived in Hancock and have no idea why. Winifred To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My family is Russell, Chisholm & Winter from New Kingston, Town of Middletown, just over the mountain from Bovina. This area was also known as the Livingston Patent. We still have original property from the early 1800's when they also migrated to the area. The story I was told and it is in history books is that during the Revolutionary War, the British burned Kingston, NY. Robert Livingston gave land to anyone burned out in Kingston to the Patent. The Dutch and the Scots took the offer and this is somewhat supported by the family names from history and who are still in the area. Also, that the Dutch "took the low lands" and the Scots "took the highlands". I'm not sure how Bovina got it's name but New Kingston seems obvious and Margaretville was named after Margaret Livingstone. That is the story passed on through generations. Kathy Russell Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: <vcaema@destin.com> To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > Some years ago when I was researching my Patterson/Pattisons of Roxbury, > Delaware, > NY, a researcher concerning the reason for our ancestor, Michael Pattison, > coming to > Delaware County. If I remember correctly, many Scots-Irish came during > the > Revolutionary War to fight and stayed with Dutch families in Ulster > County. > Following the war, they were given land in Delaware County - especially > Middletown. > Michael and his Dutch wife, Catherine Osterhoudt moved at some time to > Roxbury. > (Although it's not proven that Michael was in the Revolutionary war, the > idea still > applies to others.) > > So, if you have a Scots-Irish ancester who came to America in the late > 1700s and > subsequently married a Dutch wife, this my be your situation. > > Vernon Aldrich > > > Vernon C. Aldrich > > Surnames: Aldrich, Hoadley, Mallet, Preston, Patterson, Hammond, Robinson, > Kimball, > White, Nott, Ely, Burness, Rintoul, Summerhayse > ***************** > The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: > The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be > gracious unto thee: > The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give > thee peace. Num. 6:24-26 > > ----------------------------------------- > Get free email at http://mail.destin.com > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some years ago when I was researching my Patterson/Pattisons of Roxbury, Delaware, NY, a researcher concerning the reason for our ancestor, Michael Pattison, coming to Delaware County. If I remember correctly, many Scots-Irish came during the Revolutionary War to fight and stayed with Dutch families in Ulster County. Following the war, they were given land in Delaware County - especially Middletown. Michael and his Dutch wife, Catherine Osterhoudt moved at some time to Roxbury. (Although it's not proven that Michael was in the Revolutionary war, the idea still applies to others.) So, if you have a Scots-Irish ancester who came to America in the late 1700s and subsequently married a Dutch wife, this my be your situation. Vernon Aldrich Vernon C. Aldrich Surnames: Aldrich, Hoadley, Mallet, Preston, Patterson, Hammond, Robinson, Kimball, White, Nott, Ely, Burness, Rintoul, Summerhayse ***************** The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. Num. 6:24-26 ----------------------------------------- Get free email at http://mail.destin.com

Nope. You are not related to my relations, but Peebles isn't too far from where my ancestors lived! vb --- Brook Lassie <brooklassie@msn.com> wrote: > My Scots were the Whitsons and the Scotts from > Peebles, Scotland. Does anyone have a connection to > mine? > > Beth Rupert > To contact list administrator send email to > nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/

Thanks, Gabriell. but specifically what period of time are you speaking about? In 1851, mine came in from Castle Garden port in NY. And in 1842 from Canada---yet this does not explain why they came in the first place and to Bovina specifically, which was listed as their destination. And also, it doesn't explain all the folks from Roxburgshire. vb --- Gabrielle Pierce <gbpierce@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Legend has it that they landed in Delaware county > because it so resembled > their mother land. There was somewhat of a beaten > path from Connecticut, > etc., where they'd landed by ship, to come here to > settle. > > ~~Gabrielle Pierce, former Town of Hamden Historian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Brown" <vwbrown08@yahoo.com> > To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:09 AM > Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware > County? > > > > My ancestors came to Delaware county about 1842 > and > > 1851 from Roxburgshire, Scotland. There are about > 33 > > hits for "Roxburg" or "Roxburghsire" on the > Delaware > > county web-site. Can anyone tell me what the big > > attraction was to Delaware county, especially > Bovina, > > over other counties in NY state that drew so many > > people from one county in Scotland? > > Thank you. > > ~Valerie > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the > Internet in your pocket: mail, > > news, photos & more. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > To contact list administrator send email to > nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To contact list administrator send email to > nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

I found a e-mail message that I saved back in 2002, copied from the Delaware County mail list. The message was authored by Gregory Cooke and contains information related to Scottish settlers in Delaware County, NY. That e-mail message is copied here, just below the following paragraph. My 4th great-grandfather, John McClelland (1754-1821) was of Scottish descent and migrated from Orange Co., NY to Harpersfield, Montgomery Co., NY in 1785. John was a veteran of the Revolutionary War and married Anna Marie WELLER (1760-1842) in Orange County prior to migration. Later, the family of John and Anna WELLER McClelland settled in Bradford Co., Pennsylvania, circa 1810. ------------------- Subj:[NYDELAWA-L] Re-Scots in Delaware County Date:10/30/2002 6:28:56 PM Eastern Standard Time From: _asbsc@mail.a-znet.com_ (mailto:asbsc@mail.a-znet.com) (Gregory Cooke) To: _NYDELAWA-L@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:NYDELAWA-L@rootsweb.com) While researching the history of the town of Kortright and the Kortright Patent, I found a lot of information on the Scotish settlers and the fact that they were enticed by Lawrence Kortright and his very liberal land purchase policies and his very flowery ads for the sale of his lands. His patent was 22,000 acres between the Susquehannah and Delaware Rivers. His advertisement of 1786, after the Revolutionary War indicated that about 70 farms had some improvement on them, before hostile actions of the British and their indian allies drove the settlers out. Some returned after the war and resettled their lands. One history indicated that Harpersfield was largely settled by English and that Kortright was largely settled by Scotish and Irish people. It indicated that in early September of 1773 a large group of members of the McDonald clan and others chartered the ship "Pearl" and emigrated from Glengarry to America.The history indicated that The New York Glazetteer for Thursday, October 21,1773 carried an acticle about the arrival of the "Pearl" and that it carried a great number of passengers from the highlands of Scotland who were in great health and had ready money to each purchase a freehold.On November 4, 1773, the Glazetter noted that they embarked on a sloop for Albany and from there they communicated with Sir William Johnson about possible tracts of land. The histories mentioned many families and their areas of settlement and indicated that a large group of them settled on the headwaters of Betty Brook, which is now generally the area of Kortright Center, I beleve. I found a wealth of early Delaware County history at Fonda in Montgomery County, because Delaware was not yet a county at the time a lot of this Kortright Patent land sales and settlement occured. I am looking there because I have narrowed my branch of the Kortright Smiths, by process of elimination down to very likely having been with the group. As they were in Kortright and on Betty Brook, before the other Smiths came in from Columbia County and other areas and I'm searching and searching for some kind of proof of it. So far to no avail. The Montgomery County Department of Archives and History at Fonda has a very good genealogy library and they will do research for a reasonable fee for those who can't get to the facility. You can contact them at _histarch@superior.net_ (mailto:histarch@superior.net) or go to the Montgomery County genweb site for a tie in to them. (Gregory Cooke) Paul E. Newell Ellicott City, MD ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Brown" <vwbrown08@yahoo.com> > To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:09 AM > Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > > >> My ancestors came to Delaware county about 1842 and >> 1851 from Roxburgshire, Scotland. There are about 33 >> hits for "Roxburg" or "Roxburghsire" on the Delaware >> county web-site. Can anyone tell me what the big >> attraction was to Delaware county, especially Bovina, >> over other counties in NY state that drew so many >> people from one county in Scotland? Hi Valerie and All, There are probably as many reasons for people settling in Delaware County as there are families who came here. Firstly, I think it's a good idea to learn why they might have chosen (or were forced) to leave Scotland. If you go to http://www.genuki.org.uk/ you can find out a lot about the places where your ancestors lived. Of particular interest are the gazetteers of various parishes. Go to http://heritage.scotsman.com and click on "Timeline", and especially note info on the Clearances, which were responsible for so many Scots leaving their homeland. The wealthy landowners, who had allowed tenants to farm for years, found it more profitable to let sheep graze on those lands and agriculture suffered, as well as those farmers who owned nothing and had nowhere to go. Some landowners were sympathetic and provided transportation and more for their former tenants, such as the Earl of Selkirk who actually founded settlements in Canada to which displaced Scots could emigrate. In many places notices were placed extolling the benefits of living in the Colonies. Many, no doubt, followed family members who had gone before and perhaps claimed that the land made them think of "home". Landowners here were also interested in clearing the land, as well as collecting rent from those who would lease and work the land, or selling to those who could afford it. Just a few ideas for consideration.... Two of my ancestors came here in 1817 and settled in Bovina. Their widowed mother, sister and younger brother followed later that year, after, presumably, positive reviews from the older boys. I have never found a date or place of death for their father and have often wondered if he might have been conscripted into the militia in Scotland and fought here in the War of 1812? One of the most informative sites for Delaware County, NY information is.... http://www.dcnyhistory.org/ While there check out "Books Online" and this exerpt from "Centennial History of Delaware County, New York : 1797-1897"...... "Andes received a large contingent of Scotch immigrants. These were not however the first settlers, who were of Dutch ancestry and came from the Hudson river counties. But a large number of Scotch families came in at various times and settled the Cabin Hill region and some of the valleys towards Bovina. It was this same movement which led many of the same nationality to invade the rough regions of Bovina. They had been preceded in this movement by Elisha B. Maynard a New Englander, who was the first settler, in 1792. But the hardy Scotch crowded into the lands on the headwaters of the Little Delaware, and made the little town, when it was organized in 1820, almost their own. The town of Delhi in like manner contains many families who by ancestry are Scotch. This is especially true of the mountainous region rising from the Little Delaware on the southwest. The section is still called the Scotch mountains from the fact that the greater part of it was settled by Scotch families. It will be observed that in all these settlements of the Scotch, they have chosen the hills and uplands in preference to the fertile valleys. This was partly owing to the fact that they came into the county at a later date when the richer lands along the rivers had been already taken up. But, besides this, and besides their general poverty which led them to select cheap lands, we must attribute their choice of hilly lands to their predilections founded upon the clear mountains from which they came, and for which they retained such fond memories." Hope this helps a bit, Jeanne (Raitt Flye)

I'd like to know if there is .. I still don't know if my McLaughlins came directly to Otsego Co. in the 1790s where one son married into the Holmes family from CT, close neighbors in the town of Richfield, OR whether they met in CT and traveled into central NY together!!! On Jun 27, 2007, at 3:00 PM, <kittim@suddenlink.net> wrote: > Now you raise an interesting issue. I know that my ancestor left for > America from Liverpool (which is odd to start with - should have been > Glasgow, I'm told), so I assumed that he arrived in NYCity. However, > I've never found him on any of the passenger lists of the day for NYC. > I didn't look at the lists for anywhere else because I thought they > were too far away for Del Co to be the destination of choice. However, > I suppose he could have gone to Boston. I don't think there's a major > port in CT - is there? > Kitti Michalowicz > > ---- Gabrielle Pierce <gbpierce@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > ============= > Legend has it that they landed in Delaware county because it so > resembled > their mother land. There was somewhat of a beaten path from > Connecticut, > etc., where they'd landed by ship, to come here to settle. > > ~~Gabrielle Pierce, former Town of Hamden Historian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Brown" <vwbrown08@yahoo.com> > To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:09 AM > Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > > >> My ancestors came to Delaware county about 1842 and >> 1851 from Roxburgshire, Scotland. There are about 33 >> hits for "Roxburg" or "Roxburghsire" on the Delaware >> county web-site. Can anyone tell me what the big >> attraction was to Delaware county, especially Bovina, >> over other counties in NY state that drew so many >> people from one county in Scotland? >> Thank you. >> ~Valerie >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ______________ >> Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: >> mail, >> news, photos & more. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC >> To contact list administrator send email to >> nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > To contact list administrator send email to > nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To contact list administrator send email to > nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Pat for this interesting narrative. Beth Rupert

I research in Delaware County because of my Cooks in Colchester town. Almira Cook b 1824 married William Stewart b 1820 (Delaware Co same as his wife per 1855 NY Census), son of Elam born about 1786. William's brother Marshall b abt 1822 married Harriet Cook. Gedcom's online, free trees, ancestry & rootsweb. I will probably remember this wrong AND incompletely but someone explained these Scots worked hard, building & construction I think, later on railroad building & stuff also in Sullivan County, you'll see them back & forth. Other sons of Elam I found were Clinton & probably Alexander who had moved across the Delaware to Wayne Co PA last I saw of him. Not much to add as to why they're there or how they got there, sorry. Mystic Harbor in CT maybe? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php

I've been working on the immigration pattern from Scotland and might have some insight, though I'm not as well versed in history as others on this site. In the early 1700's and before in Scotland, the Scots lived under the clan system - working together to produce food and protect each other. In the mid 1700's the clan system changed and the clan chieftans became tenant landlords requiring rent for their land instead of having common ownership of land. Sheep were more profitable and started replacing livestock and things changed. There were clan rivalries and people were being burned out of their homes. There were Highland Clearances and people left Scotland "in droves" to come to America. During the Rev war, Sir William Johnson had acquired a lot of land in America and wanted to colonize his land patents. His good friend, Archibald Leek (working in NYC) made arrangements with the MacDonell brothers of Scotland who came over in 1773 with a ship full of relatives and friends. They bought land in Delaware County, joined the "King's Royal Regiment of NY" and ended up in Canada while their wives and children remained in Del. Co.. When the war was over, their land was confiscated, homes burned and families jailed and the men remained in Canada. More Scots were on their way in the next few years - their expedition led by Capt Cumming. They boarded ships (mine were on "The George" in 1773 - a whole shipfull, mostly from Strathspey) to NY where they took a sloop up the Hudson River (Capt Cumming was a sloop captain). Capt Cumming had purchased a large tract of land in the Catskill area and many of these people settled there for a couple of years (Clavarack, Linlithgo area) War events happened again, Capt Cumming was sent to jail and warned people to leave the area. A number of families moved up to Delaware County where Scots had already settled, as did Barlows who were English and formerly from Connecticut (Stamford, CT, by coincidence!). Friends followed friends. There were language barriers - many Scots spoke Gaelic and they settled in areas where there were other Scots. When people were driven out of the area due to the war, land became available and was sold at a low purchase price and many people moved back. This is a synopsis of the way I've pieced things together, but would appreciate corrections/revisions so I can get it straight. The stopover in Clavarack was a surprise and I need to learn more about that. Seems my Rose and McDonald families may have left some of the family there while the men built log cabins in Delaware County. The Grant family was a big influence in settling Stamford, as were Cummings. Hope this makes sense and gives an idea of what I've come up with! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <joycelr@aol.com> To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > Thank goodness others are puzzled by this phenomenon. And I'm so glad > there's so much traffic on the list about Scots in Delaware Co. Perhaps > there's someone else out there researching Campbells and Stewarts from > Stamford, Andes, and Bovina around 1775-1840? My research gets stuck in > Delaware Co. during that time period. I know they came from Scotland [per > a death certificate] but not sure when they arrived in the US. Thanks, > Joyce > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Scots were the Whitsons and the Scotts from Peebles, Scotland. Does anyone have a connection to mine? Beth Rupert

Not coming from a Delaware County family, I am probably butting in here, but this sounds like a great application for DNA genealogy. It sounds to me like the y-DNA in some of those Scots families might fill in for a lot of missing paper trails. There is a Rootsweb list called DNA-NEWBIES that is very accommodating of people without background in the subject who have a real application for the methodology. Sincerely, Geoff Brown www.betweenthelakes.com

Thank goodness others are puzzled by this phenomenon. And I'm so glad there's so much traffic on the list about Scots in Delaware Co. Perhaps there's someone else out there researching Campbells and Stewarts from Stamford, Andes, and Bovina around 1775-1840? My research gets stuck in Delaware Co. during that time period. I know they came from Scotland [per a death certificate] but not sure when they arrived in the US. Thanks, Joyce ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

6/27/07 Hi, My Scot ancesters arrived in Hamden, Delaware Co., NY, prior to the Revolutionary War, they were the McAdam (s) family, MacGregory/McAdam. My great great grandfather was born in Albany, NY in 1801 and served in the War of 1812, kind of young for such activity but I have a copy of his request for a military pension, so it must be true. I understand there was also religous persecution with death warrents if they returned. My McAdam family moved to Byron, Illinois in the 1800s. They were farmers, mariners and carpenters. Any information would be helpful. Thanks, Nancy Blaes Pat Watts <pwatts@metrocast.net> wrote: I've been working on the immigration pattern from Scotland and might have some insight, though I'm not as well versed in history as others on this site. In the early 1700's and before in Scotland, the Scots lived under the clan system - working together to produce food and protect each other. In the mid 1700's the clan system changed and the clan chieftans became tenant landlords requiring rent for their land instead of having common ownership of land. Sheep were more profitable and started replacing livestock and things changed. There were clan rivalries and people were being burned out of their homes. There were Highland Clearances and people left Scotland "in droves" to come to America. During the Rev war, Sir William Johnson had acquired a lot of land in America and wanted to colonize his land patents. His good friend, Archibald Leek (working in NYC) made arrangements with the MacDonell brothers of Scotland who came over in 1773 with a ship full of relatives and friends. They bought land in Delaware County, joined the "King's Royal Regiment of NY" and ended up in Canada while their wives and children remained in Del. Co.. When the war was over, their land was confiscated, homes burned and families jailed and the men remained in Canada. More Scots were on their way in the next few years - their expedition led by Capt Cumming. They boarded ships (mine were on "The George" in 1773 - a whole shipfull, mostly from Strathspey) to NY where they took a sloop up the Hudson River (Capt Cumming was a sloop captain). Capt Cumming had purchased a large tract of land in the Catskill area and many of these people settled there for a couple of years (Clavarack, Linlithgo area) War events happened again, Capt Cumming was sent to jail and warned people to leave the area. A number of families moved up to Delaware County where Scots had already settled, as did Barlows who were English and formerly from Connecticut (Stamford, CT, by coincidence!). Friends followed friends. There were language barriers - many Scots spoke Gaelic and they settled in areas where there were other Scots. When people were driven out of the area due to the war, land became available and was sold at a low purchase price and many people moved back. This is a synopsis of the way I've pieced things together, but would appreciate corrections/revisions so I can get it straight. The stopover in Clavarack was a surprise and I need to learn more about that. Seems my Rose and McDonald families may have left some of the family there while the men built log cabins in Delaware County. The Grant family was a big influence in settling Stamford, as were Cummings. Hope this makes sense and gives an idea of what I've come up with! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > Thank goodness others are puzzled by this phenomenon. And I'm so glad > there's so much traffic on the list about Scots in Delaware Co. Perhaps > there's someone else out there researching Campbells and Stewarts from > Stamford, Andes, and Bovina around 1775-1840? My research gets stuck in > Delaware Co. during that time period. I know they came from Scotland [per > a death certificate] but not sure when they arrived in the US. Thanks, > Joyce > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sincerely, Nancy C. Blaes

I too have wondered what the attraction was, and I think the most were from Roxburgh/Roxburghshire. My Elliot family came in 1863, there were older Elliot families in the area when they arrived, also from the same region in Scotland. I have not been able to connect the older families to mine however. It get more interesting if you go on the Scots People site to research your family in Scotland, as many many of the same names you see in Delaware County are also in Roxburgh. Perhaps it's just a CLAN thing. Jeannie Coston

Now you raise an interesting issue. I know that my ancestor left for America from Liverpool (which is odd to start with - should have been Glasgow, I'm told), so I assumed that he arrived in NYCity. However, I've never found him on any of the passenger lists of the day for NYC. I didn't look at the lists for anywhere else because I thought they were too far away for Del Co to be the destination of choice. However, I suppose he could have gone to Boston. I don't think there's a major port in CT - is there? Kitti Michalowicz ---- Gabrielle Pierce <gbpierce@frontiernet.net> wrote: ============= Legend has it that they landed in Delaware county because it so resembled their mother land. There was somewhat of a beaten path from Connecticut, etc., where they'd landed by ship, to come here to settle. ~~Gabrielle Pierce, former Town of Hamden Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Brown" <vwbrown08@yahoo.com> To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > My ancestors came to Delaware county about 1842 and > 1851 from Roxburgshire, Scotland. There are about 33 > hits for "Roxburg" or "Roxburghsire" on the Delaware > county web-site. Can anyone tell me what the big > attraction was to Delaware county, especially Bovina, > over other counties in NY state that drew so many > people from one county in Scotland? > Thank you. > ~Valerie > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Legend has it that they landed in Delaware county because it so resembled their mother land. There was somewhat of a beaten path from Connecticut, etc., where they'd landed by ship, to come here to settle. ~~Gabrielle Pierce, former Town of Hamden Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Brown" <vwbrown08@yahoo.com> To: <nydelawa@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? > My ancestors came to Delaware county about 1842 and > 1851 from Roxburgshire, Scotland. There are about 33 > hits for "Roxburg" or "Roxburghsire" on the Delaware > county web-site. Can anyone tell me what the big > attraction was to Delaware county, especially Bovina, > over other counties in NY state that drew so many > people from one county in Scotland? > Thank you. > ~Valerie > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I believe that my ancestors who came in 1833 to Kortright had been contacted in County Down by a representative of the Kortrights, who were looking for settlers. My grgrgrandparents, William and Isabella Gibson, arrived with seven sons and two daughters-in-law. They later had another son. Strangely enough, I haven't found any Gibson descendants with the surname still in the area. Catherine Gibson Havemeier >From: Valerie Brown <vwbrown08@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: nydelawa@rootsweb.com >To: nydelawa@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYDELAWA] For the Scots, why Delaware County? >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:09:47 -0700 (PDT) > >My ancestors came to Delaware county about 1842 and >1851 from Roxburgshire, Scotland. There are about 33 >hits for "Roxburg" or "Roxburghsire" on the Delaware >county web-site. Can anyone tell me what the big >attraction was to Delaware county, especially Bovina, >over other counties in NY state that drew so many >people from one county in Scotland? >Thank you. >~Valerie > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, >news, photos & more. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > To contact list administrator send email to nydelawa-admin@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYDELAWA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message