Hi Cindy, I don't think I have much to add to your Simmons family but I have been trying to find out the connection between the Wheelers and the Simmons. This is what I have so far: Talmadge German Simmons b. Oct. 1838 married Anna J. (--?--) issue: 1. Wheeler F., b. abt 1866 married Elizabeth F.(--?--) 2. Lillian J., b. Sept. 1870 in Valatie, Columbia County m. Seymour B. Stalker 21 Dec. 1892 in Philmont.[ Lillian's parents are listed as German Simmons and Annie Simmons on the marriage license. Seymour is my great-granduncle.] 3. Franklin G. b. Sept. 1874 md. Joanna W. [I am beginning to think Wheeler F. and Franklin G. are the same person] I have been have trouble finding the Simmons in the earlier census. The first time Talmadge German shows up is in the 1870 census at Kinderhook as follows: Wheeler, Peter G., age 53, shoe maker Wheeler, Mary, age 54, Simmons, German, age 32 drives team Simmons, Annie, age 36. Simmons, Wheeler, age 4 William, Wm., age 2 [not sure if this is another child of German and Annie, this is the way it was written on the census.] My thought is that the wife of German Simmons may be a Wheeler, especially since they named their first child Wheeler. Peter G. Wheeler of Ghent married Mary Caroline Simmons of Ghent on 26 April 1834 in the Christ Lutheran Church (p. 74, no. 75. They were married at the residence of Peter Ploss. 1900 Census at Troy, Rensselaer, NY: Seymour B. Stalker, age 30, b. Jan. 1870 Lillie J. Stalker, wife, age 29, b. Sept. 1870 Franklin G. Simmons, brother-in-law, age 25, b. Sept. 1874 Joanna W. Simmons, sister-in-law, age 26, b. Oct. 1870 [wife of Franklin] Mary C. Wheeler, aunt, age 84, b. Sept. 1815. [This could possibly be the Mary Wheeler in the 1870 census] This Mary C. Wheeler is not the aunt of Seymour so she must be Lillie J. Simmons aunt. Probably her father's sister? In the 1910 census at Rensselaer City, Rensselaer county, Seymour and Lillie are living at 1565 First Street and her father is with them age 72 and a widow. Wheeler F. Simmons, age 44, married twice with wife Elizabeth F. and a grand-niece Martha D. Vosburgh age 4 are also living in Rensselaer City, 1569 First Street. I haven't been able to find Talmadge German Simmons in the 1850, 1860, 1880 or 1900 census yet. He just seems to disappear or maybe he was just not counted. Seymour, Lillie and Talmadge Simmons age 81 are found in the 1920 census at Springfield, Hampden, Mass. Seymour died 1 May 1924 in Springfield. Lille is listed in the directories in Springfield up until 1968 - had a long life! Talmadge German Simmons probably died there also. According to the Albany Directory for the years 1889 through 1891, Wheeler F. Simmons lived at 87 Central Avenue. He, his wife Elizabeth and niece Martha D. Vosburgh [she is listed as niece on both] can be found in the 1920 at Rensselaer City and 1930 census at East Greenbush, Rensselaer County. I checked the 1855 census for Nicholas but I could not find him. Unfortunately, the reels I have some of the writing is so light it is unreadable. Kinship published the 1855 census and he is in Volume 2 on page 97 but I don't have this issue. I hope I haven't confused you - I know I'm confused! Susan ************************************************* "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance." -- George Bernard Shaw Columbia County, NY Coordinator http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Excerpts of the 1857 Will of Nicholas SIMMONS ofGallatin, Col. Co. NY > > I'm hoping the names listed in Nicholas A Simmons' Will will generate some > good conversation. > Cindy Simmons > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > To preface: > > Nicholas is the second son (and second child) of: > Andreas SIMON and Anna Margaretha PULVER > He's the grandson of: > Johan Michael SIMON and Anna Barbara BOHNENSTEIHL > AND > Conrad PULVER and Anna Magdalena SHA(E)FFER > > > Nicholas' marriages: > > 1) Margaretha/Margaret HUMMEL > "SIMMON: Margaret, wife of Nicholas A., d. October 16, 1843, 69-18. > St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" > > 2) Margaret MYERS > "SIMMONS: Nicholas A., d. May 17, 1864, 93-4-21 > Margaret Myers, his wife, d. January 6, 1875, 82-8-7 > St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" > > ********************************************************************** > > summary of Nicholas' will: > > 1) He set aside a list of specifics for his (2nd) wife Margaret. > > 2) He designated gifts (mostly monitary) to his domestic help. > ~ Hannah (wife of Elias PALMATIER and sister of Nicholas' second wife) > ~ Hannah McDANIEL (wife of Nicholas McDANIEL) > ~ Margaret STICKLES (daughter of Frederick STICKLES) > ~ Catherine FRONK (daughter of Peter FRONK) > ~ A codicil was added giving Elias PALMATIER choice of a pair of > horses. > > 3) After his debts and funeral expenses are covered, the remainder of his > personal property and real estate was to be divided equally among his > surviving > siblings. > ~ Henry A. SIMMONS > ~ John A. SIMMONS > ~ Coonradt A. SIMMONS > ~ Margaret widow of William ABRIAL > ~ Sarah widow of William BEARTER > ~ Catherine wife of George HOFFMAN > > There's a stipulation that his brother John should maintain Coonradt's > share. If Coonradt should pass before Nicholas, then Coonradt's share > will be > given to John. > > Executors are Frederick STICKLES and Jacob BARRINGER. > > ********************************************************************** > > The following heirs received copies of Nicholas' will in May and June of > 1864: > > ~ Margaret SIMMONS (his widow), of Gallatin > > ~John A. SIMMONS, of Red Hook > ~ Margaret ABRIAL, of Livingston > > (sons of George and Catharina HOFFMAN) > ~ John HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck > > ~ Griffin HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck, > ~ Nicholas HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck > > > ~ Caroline WHEELER (wife of Peter G. WHEELER), of Red Hook or Hudson > (both > locations are listed) > ~ Catharine FULLMAN (wife of John W. FULLMAN), of Milan > ~ Robert HOFFMAN STAFFORD/STANFORD, of Rhinebeck > ~ Jane SIMMONS (wife of German SIMMONS), of Copake > ~ Frances TIPPLE (wife of David TIPPLE), of Copake (Frances' maiden name > is > SIMMONS.) > ~ James SIMMONS, of Schoharie Co. > ~ Christian, Henry and John BECKER, of Red Hook > ~ Eliza PUTNEY (wife of Joseph Putney) (I've also seen her name spelled > Ann > Eliza and Anna Eliza.) > ~ William H. SIMMONS of Valatie > ~ William H. SIMMONS, of Kinderhook > > > ********************************************************************** > > Questions? > 1) From Caroline WHEELER to William H SIMMONS of Kinderhook, how are they > related to Nicholas? > > 2) Is it possible that the surname "BEARTER" is a poor transcription of > the > surname "BECKER"? > > 3) Does anyone have access to the 1855 Gallatin census and be willing to > relay Nicholas' information to me? > > 4) Why wasn't Coonradt's share given to his heirs? > > > ********************************************************************** > > FYI: > > > Here's the list of the Children of Andreas and Anna Margaretha Pulver > Simon/Simmons: > > > > 1) Conrad/Coonradt (1768 – 1857) > m. 1) Maria Kellerhaus and, “possibly” 2) Catharine_____ > 2) Nicholas (above) > 3) Sarah (b. ca. 1772) m. William Bearter > 4) Margaretha/Margaret (b. 1774) m. William Abrial > 5) Magdalena (b. 1777) > 6) Johannes/John (1780 - 1869) m. Catharina Rivenburgh > 7) Petrus (b. 1783) > 8) Petrus (b. 1785) m. Catherine Clum > 9) Elizabeth (b. 1786) > 10) Catharina (1789 – 1864) m. George Hoffman > 11) Heinrich/Henry (b. 1792) > 12) Anna (b. 1796) > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan Sorry about the mess I created on the list.  My computer was having a bad day. I found a "German Simmons" in the 1900 census but haven't checked the details.  1900 Columbia Co. New York:  German Simmons, birth: abt. 1839 (from Rootsweb/Ancestry) Parentage of Mary Caroline Simmons (wife of Peter Wheeler), hum?  Of Nicholas' brothers: - Conrad ~ He doesn't have any daughters named Mary - that I know of.  None of his children (that I have for him) are listed among Nicholas' heirs.   - John ~ I don't have a Mary listed as a daughter (although there are two databases on Rootsweb with conflicting information on his children) - Petrus/Peter ~ who married Catherine Clum was not in the Will.  So, this is a possibility since I don't have any information on their children? - Heinrich/Henry ~ In 1850, Henry Simmons was living with Nicholas.  Possibly Henry and Heinrich are the same person? The birth year matches. He's single. I'll have to study your e-mail after work!!!  Thanks for writing! Cindy -----Original Message----- From: smulvey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 22 May 2007 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Excerpts of the 1857 Will of Nicholas SIMMONS of Gallatin, Col. Co. NY Hi Cindy, I don't think I have much to add to your Simmons family but I have been rying to find out the connection between the Wheelers and the Simmons. his is what I have so far: Talmadge German Simmons b. Oct. 1838 married Anna J. (--?--) ssue: . Wheeler F., b. abt 1866 married Elizabeth F.(--?--) . Lillian J., b. Sept. 1870 in Valatie, Columbia County m. Seymour B. talker 21 Dec. 1892 in Philmont.[ Lillian's parents are listed as German immons and Annie Simmons on the marriage license. Seymour is my reat-granduncle.] . Franklin G. b. Sept. 1874 md. Joanna W. [I am beginning to think Wheeler . and Franklin G. are the same person] I have been have trouble finding the Simmons in the earlier census. The irst time Talmadge German shows up is in the 1870 census at Kinderhook as ollows: heeler, Peter G., age 53, shoe maker heeler, Mary, age 54, immons, German, age 32 drives team immons, Annie, age 36. immons, Wheeler, age 4 illiam, Wm., age 2 [not sure if this is another child of German and Annie, his is the way it was written on the census.] My thought is that the wife of German Simmons may be a Wheeler, especially ince they named their first child Wheeler. Peter G. Wheeler of Ghent married Mary Caroline Simmons of Ghent on 26 April 834 in the Christ Lutheran Church (p. 74, no. 75. They were married at the esidence of Peter Ploss. 1900 Census at Troy, Rensselaer, NY: eymour B. Stalker, age 30, b. Jan. 1870 illie J. Stalker, wife, age 29, b. Sept. 1870 ranklin G. Simmons, brother-in-law, age 25, b. Sept. 1874 oanna W. Simmons, sister-in-law, age 26, b. Oct. 1870 [wife of Franklin] ary C. Wheeler, aunt, age 84, b. Sept. 1815. [This could possibly be the ary Wheeler in the 1870 census] This Mary C. Wheeler is not the aunt of Seymour so she must be Lillie J. immons aunt. Probably her father's sister? In the 1910 census at Rensselaer City, Rensselaer county, Seymour and Lillie re living at 1565 First Street and her father is with them age 72 and a idow. heeler F. Simmons, age 44, married twice with wife Elizabeth F. and a rand-niece Martha D. Vosburgh age 4 are also living in Rensselaer City, 569 First Street. I haven't been able to find Talmadge German Simmons in the 1850, 1860, 1880 r 1900 census yet. He just seems to disappear or maybe he was just not ounted. Seymour, Lillie and Talmadge Simmons age 81 are found in the 1920 census at pringfield, Hampden, Mass. Seymour died 1 May 1924 in Springfield. Lille s listed in the directories in Springfield up until 1968 - had a long life! almadge German Simmons probably died there also. According to the Albany Directory for the years 1889 through 1891, Wheeler . Simmons lived at 87 Central Avenue. He, his wife Elizabeth and niece artha D. Vosburgh [she is listed as niece on both] can be found in the 1920 t Rensselaer City and 1930 census at East Greenbush, Rensselaer County. I checked the 1855 census for Nicholas but I could not find him. nfortunately, the reels I have some of the writing is so light it is nreadable. Kinship published the 1855 census and he is in Volume 2 on page 7 but I don't have this issue. I hope I haven't confused you - I know I'm confused! Susan ************************************************* If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it ance." -- George Bernard Shaw olumbia County, NY Coordinator ttp://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ ----- Original Message ----- rom: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:58 PM ubject: [NYCOLUMB] Excerpts of the 1857 Will of Nicholas SIMMONS f Gallatin, Col. Co. NY > I'm hoping the names listed in Nicholas A Simmons' Will will generate some good conversation. Cindy Simmons [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > To preface: Nicholas is the second son (and second child) of: Andreas SIMON and Anna Margaretha PULVER He's the grandson of: Johan Michael SIMON and Anna Barbara BOHNENSTEIHL AND Conrad PULVER and Anna Magdalena SHA(E)FFER Nicholas' marriages: 1) Margaretha/Margaret HUMMEL "SIMMON: Margaret, wife of Nicholas A., d. October 16, 1843, 69-18. St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" 2) Margaret MYERS "SIMMONS: Nicholas A., d. May 17, 1864, 93-4-21 Margaret Myers, his wife, d. January 6, 1875, 82-8-7 St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" ********************************************************************** summary of Nicholas' will: 1) He set aside a list of specifics for his (2nd) wife Margaret. 2) He designated gifts (mostly monitary) to his domestic help. ~ Hannah (wife of Elias PALMATIER and sister of Nicholas' second wife) ~ Hannah McDANIEL (wife of Nicholas McDANIEL) ~ Margaret STICKLES (daughter of Frederick STICKLES) ~ Catherine FRONK (daughter of Peter FRONK) ~ A codicil was added giving Elias PALMATIER choice of a pair of horses. 3) After his debts and funeral expenses are covered, the remainder of his personal property and real estate was to be divided equally among his surviving siblings. > ~ Henry A. SIMMONS ~ John A. SIMMONS ~ Coonradt A. SIMMONS ~ Margaret widow of William ABRIAL ~ Sarah widow of William BEARTER ~ Catherine wife of George HOFFMAN There's a stipulation that his brother John should maintain Coonradt's share. If Coonradt should pass before Nicholas, then Coonradt's share will be given to John. Executors are Frederick STICKLES and Jacob BARRINGER. ********************************************************************** The following heirs received copies of Nicholas' will in May and June of > 1864: ~ Margaret SIMMONS (his widow), of Gallatin ~ John A. SIMMONS, of Red Hook ~ Margaret ABRIAL, of Livingston (sons of George and Catharina HOFFMAN) ~ John HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck > ~ Griffin HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck, ~ Nicholas HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck ~ Caroline WHEELER (wife of Peter G. WHEELER), of Red Hook or Hudson (both locations are listed) ~ Catharine FULLMAN (wife of John W. FULLMAN), of Milan ~ Robert HOFFMAN STAFFORD/STANFORD, of Rhinebeck ~ Jane SIMMONS (wife of German SIMMONS), of Copake ~ Frances TIPPLE (wife of David TIPPLE), of Copake (Frances' maiden name is SIMMONS.) ~ James SIMMONS, of Schoharie Co. ~ Christian, Henry and John BECKER, of Red Hook ~ Eliza PUTNEY (wife of Joseph Putney) (I've also seen her name spelled Ann Eliza and Anna Eliza.) ~ William H. SIMMONS of Valatie ~ William H. SIMMONS, of Kinderhook ********************************************************************** Questions? 1) From Caroline WHEELER to William H SIMMONS of Kinderhook, how are they related to Nicholas? 2) Is it possible that the surname "BEARTER" is a poor transcription of the surname "BECKER"? 3) Does anyone have access to the 1855 Gallatin census and be willing to relay Nicholas' information to me? 4) Why wasn't Coonradt's share given to his heirs? ********************************************************************** FYI: Here's the list of the Children of Andreas and Anna Margaretha Pulver Simon/Simmons: > > 1) Conrad/Coonradt (1768 – 1857) > m. 1) Maria Kellerhaus and, “possibly” 2) Catharine_____ 2) Nicholas (above) 3) Sarah (b. ca. 1772) m. William Bearter 4) Margaretha/Margaret (b. 1774) m. William Abrial 5) Magdalena (b. 1777) 6) Johannes/John (1780 - 1869) m. Catharina Rivenburgh 7) Petrus (b. 1783) 8) Petrus (b. 1785) m. Catherine Clum 9) Elizabeth (b. 1786) 10) Catharina (1789 – 1864) m. George Hoffman 11) Heinrich/Henry (b. 1792) 12) Anna (b. 1796) ********************************************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.