Thanks, Elsie. For what it's worth, based on the surrounding surnames, I think they lived along the Canaan/Lebanon/Massachusetts border. Perhaps attended church in New Lebanon, which did have a Catholic parish by 1860. There were some grand farms where John may have worked as a "farm laborer" which is his listed occupation. Maybe even worked at one of the Shaker communities. I'm not sure when the Shakers started hiring outside labor, but it was common by the early 20th century to hire men to do the heavy farming work. I have trouble with the notion of a divorce at that time. Maybe Bridget couldn't marry in the Church because her new husband wasn't Catholic. Or maybe there are multiple Briget Fallons and John Fallons. On 10/19/09 7:22 PM, "Elsie Saar" <saare@attglobal.net> wrote: > Listed under John Follen. > Elsie (Scharpf) Saar > > Quilting: http://community.webshots.com/user/saarlc > > Genealogy research > American: Parks, Avann, Bulson, Soden, Menkens > German: Wienecke, Storz, Scharpf, Saar, Stelzer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy McLean" <wwmclean@comcast.net> > To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. 1860 > to 1870 > > >> I can't find the Fallons in the 1860 federal census. >> >> >> On 10/19/09 3:51 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Wendy, >>> >>> There probably aren't any Lally's around Canaan since John and >>> Bridget >>> (Lally) Fallon were already married when they arrived in Canaan. >>> They lived >>> for a while in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia area, possibly) and were >>> either >>> married there or possibly before they left Ireland. They appear in >>> Canaan >>> in the 1860 census (the copy I included in my previous email) and >>> the state >>> census of 1865, but in the 1870 census the family was in >>> Pittsfield, MA and >>> John was gone. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:47 PM >>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>> 1860 to >>> 1870 >>> >>> Bill - >>> >>> I don't see any "Lally" surnames in the federal census either. I >>> am pretty >>> familiar with the Canaan surnames of that time period, and I have >>> to say >>> that I don't even vaguely recall any Lally's. There were Fallons >>> in nearby >>> West Stockbridge, MA. >>> >>> Canaan never had a Catholic Church. Not a lot of Irish surnames. >>> >>> I'm still puzzled as to what census records you are looking at. I >>> don't see >>> any Fallons in the Federal census for 1870. I would love to help, >>> but I >>> need some clarification. >>> >>> >>> On 10/18/09 4:30 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One other thing - his wife's maiden name was Lally. Has anyone >>>> run across >>>> this name in the Canaan area? They were married in Ireland, but >>>> some of >>> her >>>> relatives could have come over with them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:29 PM >>>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>>> 1860 to >>>> 1870 >>>> >>>> I don't see them in the 1860 Federal census. Was that the state >>>> census? >>> I >>>> like to look at the names of families nearby because I can often >>>> tell >>> where >>>> in Canaan they were living, which sometimes provides hints. >>>> >>>> Divorce was very rare in that time period. >>>> >>>> Did you check to see if he served in the Civil War? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/18/09 11:59 AM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am looking for any information on a family named Fallon (also >>>>> spelled >>>>> Follen and Folland) that lived in Canaan, Columbia County in the >>>> mid-1800s. >>>>> John Fallon was born in Ireland c. 1826 and was in Canaan in the >>>>> 1860 and >>>>> 1865 censuses with his family (below). In 1870, his wife Bridget >>>> remarried >>>>> in Pittsfield, MA and I suspect that John and Bridget were >>>>> divorced, >>> since >>>>> she was married by a Justice of the Peace and also, a John Fallon >>>>> shows >>> up >>>>> in the 1900 census with the same "fact pattern" in Boston. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The family (in the 1860 census) was: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John Fallon, age 34, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Bridget Fallon, age 33, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Fallon, age 6, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Mary Fallon, age 3, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Catherine Fallon, age 1, born in New York >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill C. - Orange, CT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The divorce angle is just conjecture, but I am certain that the family that was in Canaan in 1860 is the same as was in Pittsfield in 1870. The names and ages of all the children match, as do the birth places, etc. -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy McLean Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:37 PM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. 1860 to 1870 Thanks, Elsie. For what it's worth, based on the surrounding surnames, I think they lived along the Canaan/Lebanon/Massachusetts border. Perhaps attended church in New Lebanon, which did have a Catholic parish by 1860. There were some grand farms where John may have worked as a "farm laborer" which is his listed occupation. Maybe even worked at one of the Shaker communities. I'm not sure when the Shakers started hiring outside labor, but it was common by the early 20th century to hire men to do the heavy farming work. I have trouble with the notion of a divorce at that time. Maybe Bridget couldn't marry in the Church because her new husband wasn't Catholic. Or maybe there are multiple Briget Fallons and John Fallons. On 10/19/09 7:22 PM, "Elsie Saar" <saare@attglobal.net> wrote: > Listed under John Follen. > Elsie (Scharpf) Saar > > Quilting: http://community.webshots.com/user/saarlc > > Genealogy research > American: Parks, Avann, Bulson, Soden, Menkens > German: Wienecke, Storz, Scharpf, Saar, Stelzer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy McLean" <wwmclean@comcast.net> > To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. 1860 > to 1870 > > >> I can't find the Fallons in the 1860 federal census. >> >> >> On 10/19/09 3:51 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Wendy, >>> >>> There probably aren't any Lally's around Canaan since John and >>> Bridget >>> (Lally) Fallon were already married when they arrived in Canaan. >>> They lived >>> for a while in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia area, possibly) and were >>> either >>> married there or possibly before they left Ireland. They appear in >>> Canaan >>> in the 1860 census (the copy I included in my previous email) and >>> the state >>> census of 1865, but in the 1870 census the family was in >>> Pittsfield, MA and >>> John was gone. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:47 PM >>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>> 1860 to >>> 1870 >>> >>> Bill - >>> >>> I don't see any "Lally" surnames in the federal census either. I >>> am pretty >>> familiar with the Canaan surnames of that time period, and I have >>> to say >>> that I don't even vaguely recall any Lally's. There were Fallons >>> in nearby >>> West Stockbridge, MA. >>> >>> Canaan never had a Catholic Church. Not a lot of Irish surnames. >>> >>> I'm still puzzled as to what census records you are looking at. I >>> don't see >>> any Fallons in the Federal census for 1870. I would love to help, >>> but I >>> need some clarification. >>> >>> >>> On 10/18/09 4:30 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One other thing - his wife's maiden name was Lally. Has anyone >>>> run across >>>> this name in the Canaan area? They were married in Ireland, but >>>> some of >>> her >>>> relatives could have come over with them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:29 PM >>>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>>> 1860 to >>>> 1870 >>>> >>>> I don't see them in the 1860 Federal census. Was that the state >>>> census? >>> I >>>> like to look at the names of families nearby because I can often >>>> tell >>> where >>>> in Canaan they were living, which sometimes provides hints. >>>> >>>> Divorce was very rare in that time period. >>>> >>>> Did you check to see if he served in the Civil War? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/18/09 11:59 AM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am looking for any information on a family named Fallon (also >>>>> spelled >>>>> Follen and Folland) that lived in Canaan, Columbia County in the >>>> mid-1800s. >>>>> John Fallon was born in Ireland c. 1826 and was in Canaan in the >>>>> 1860 and >>>>> 1865 censuses with his family (below). In 1870, his wife Bridget >>>> remarried >>>>> in Pittsfield, MA and I suspect that John and Bridget were >>>>> divorced, >>> since >>>>> she was married by a Justice of the Peace and also, a John Fallon >>>>> shows >>> up >>>>> in the 1900 census with the same "fact pattern" in Boston. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The family (in the 1860 census) was: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John Fallon, age 34, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Bridget Fallon, age 33, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Fallon, age 6, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Mary Fallon, age 3, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Catherine Fallon, age 1, born in New York >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill C. - Orange, CT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message