This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SMULVEY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4884.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, The closest I can find to your William is a baptism in the Christ Lutheran Church, Germantown, New York p.53 # 1136 4 Dec 1838 William Haaver and Helen baptized William born 16 September. There a no other baptisms for this couple in this book. I feel William is somehow related to Jeremiah Hawver and Amanda (Waters) Hawver listed in the 1850 census at Germantown because of the fact that William E. and Estelle listed in the 1870 census at Hurley, Ulster county has a child named Chauncey as do Jeremiah and Amanda. Look at the 1850 for Jeremiah and Amanda Jeremiah Hawver, 55 Amanda, 49 Chauncy, 29 Eveline, 27 Philip, 26 Alexander 24 Catherine, 22 Andrew, 19 Remanso, 18 Leonard, 16 Eugene, 14 Amanda, 12 And two others not related. In the 1900 census at Rosendale, Ulster county: William Hauver, head, male, white, born March 1842, age 58, married 35 years, painter. Esstella, wife, white, female, born Feb. 1844, age 56, married 35 years, had 5 children with 4 still living. Gracie, niece, white, female, born Jan 1897, age 3. All were born in New York. Have you tried to find William and Estella's marriage record? I have a feeling they were married in Ulster county probably in Hurley. Susan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.