Joanne, I couldn't agree with you more. The "gatewayed messages" are making me so nuts, I have thought of unsubscribing but I really like this list. I did write to Ginny Formel and discussed my displeasure with her-----at the very least they are often reduntant, and how often to I need to read something like, "Sorry I don't have that name" or "Thank you for the information". I think if a number of us complained to Ginny, she might be persuaded to take us off this "Gateway" thingy. Or at least take a vote. It's worth a try. Margaret ps. Ginny is really a very nice lady. I remember she took this list in self defense she said, <G>. M