We are searching for the lives of these two individuals whom we were taught were our ggggrandparents but of whom we can find no trace after several generations of looking. Was James Carley b. 1797 in W. Copake? Who were his family? Was Chestina Treman a daughter of Jared Treman as his will indicates, and born in Hillsdale in 1796? Were they married in this area in 1813 or 1814? and on. Bob

I think your James is the James Carl (b.1797) I've found listed as a son of James Carl (b.abt.1758) and Mary Rody (b.1761) who were married Nov.7, 1780, at Linlithgo Reformed Church in what later became Columbia Co. James (b.abt.1758) was a son of Thomas Carl and Catherine Duytser (b.1735, d.bef.1785) who were married May 20, 1756. According to info from http://www.clampett.net/centre/genealogy/index_genealogy.htm although James' (b.abt.1758) and Mary's eldest child was born in Linlithgo, NY, the only other chikl whose birthplace is listed was born in W.Copake. The descendants of Thomas Carl were fairly flexible in their spelling of the last name with close relatives buried in Union Cemetery, Ancram (near W.Copake) using Carl & Carle equally often on markers. Harold Hahn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracie Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> To: <NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: [NYCOL] James Carley and Chestina Treman > We are searching for the lives of these two individuals whom we were taught were our ggggrandparents but of whom we can find no trace after several generations of looking. Was James Carley b. 1797 in W. Copake? Who were his family? Was Chestina Treman a daughter of Jared Treman as his will indicates, and born in Hillsdale in 1796? Were they married in this area in 1813 or 1814? and on. Bob > >

Hi Bob: I could find no Carleys in the book "Baptism Record Reformed Church West Copake, N.Y. 1783-1899" by Arthur C. M. Kelly, Kinship, Rhinebeck, NY 1969 but I did find a family with the name of Cearl/Carl/Kerl/Karl. Page 19, # 408 4.18.1790 James Cearl and Marytje Roady bpt Thomas (b 2.23), sponsors: Thomas Kearl and Nelly Kearl Page 19, #409 4.18.1790 James Cearl and Marytje Roady bpt Peter (b (2.23), sponsors: Peter Raady and Elsje Plaas Page 26, #554 7.8.1792 James Cearl and Maytje Rhody bpt Johannes (b 6.3), sponsors: Johannes Rhody and Sarah Lommis Page 40, #872 1.29.1797 James Carl and Maritje Rode bpt James (b 1.10), sponsors: Jacob Blass and Anna Finger Page 53, 1149 4.20.1800 James Kerl and Maritje Rode bpt Christina (b 1.13), sponsors: Hendrick Neffer and Christina Rees Page 62, #1387 6.13.1802 James Karl and Maritje Rode bpt Abraham (b 6.7), sponsors: Abraham Decker and Peggy Karl James Carl and Mary Rody were married 11.7.1780 both were from Livingston Manor, From the book "Marriage Record of Linlithgo Reformed Church, Livingston, NY 1720-1899 by Arthur C.M. Kelly, Kinship, Rhinebeck, NY 1970, Page 10, #198 From the book: "Baptism Record Linlithgo Reformed Church, Livingston, NY 1722-1899" by Arthur C.M. Kelly, Kinship, Rhinebeck, NY 1968: Page 70, #1548 10.18.1781 10.11.1781 James Carl and Maritje Rhode bpt Sarah (b 6.28), sponsors: Peter Rhode and Sarah Rhode I also checked the baptisms for the Hillsdale Reformed Church but no record of Chestin Treman or any Tremans for that matter. Just to let you know the church burned down twice so there are very few records remaining. I do hope this the the Carley family you are looking for. Hope this helps. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracie Lefler" <lefler@northnet.org> To: <NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: [NYCOL] James Carley and Chestina Treman > We are searching for the lives of these two individuals whom we were taught were our ggggrandparents but of whom we can find no trace after several generations of looking. Was James Carley b. 1797 in W. Copake? Who were his family? Was Chestina Treman a daughter of Jared Treman as his will indicates, and born in Hillsdale in 1796? Were they married in this area in 1813 or 1814? and on. Bob >