This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: davewb07 Surnames: Norman, Wood Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4885/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seeking any information on William E Norman. The reason for my interest is because of my ancestor Sarah Norman, who I know little of, who was supposed to have been born in Hudson, NY on 10 Feb 1815. Sarah Norman married a Fredercik Wood (1815-1877) before 1841 most likely New York City. Sarah Norman Wood died in Bridgeport, CT on 25 Feb 1893. I noted William E Norman in a transcript of the Hudson City, NY cemetery at the Columbia County, NJ USGen Web site. William E Norman was born in about 1778 in Wellington, Somersetshire, England and died in Hudson on 13 Nov 1828. The headstone for William's wife Rachel indicates she was born on Nantucket Island and and died at the age of 68 on 23 Aug 1848 in Hudson. There are also three headstones for three children on William E and Rachel Norman: 1. Robert C or O, eldest son of William E & Rachel, Sept 4, 1802 - May 27, 1830 2. Sarah, daughter of W.E. and & Rachel, Feb 4, 1814, 3 m. 3. Elizabeth, daughter, Sept 1, 1819, 4 m., 18 d. It is interesting that "my" Sarah Norman, wife of Frederick Wood, was born a year after the death of the Sarah Norman buied in Hudson. If "my" Sarah Norman is the daughter of William E and Rachel Norman she was likely named for the Sarah Norman who died as an infant in 1814. Would appreciate hearing from anyone having an interest in this Norman family of Hudson, NY or having any information that might confirm that "my" Sarah Norman was a daughter of William E and Rachel Norman. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MARKFLANDERS38 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/1051.1078.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi,Donna,i'm just curious of something,you would'nt happen to be related to the Smith,family of Stockport,and Columbiaville that had the Octagon ,shaped,house,and had back in the day had farmed there property with fruit,and in business with that? Just saw your surname,Smith,and was'nt sure,but,i am a descendent of,that Smith,family myself. Those Smiths' are buried in,i guess whats called the Rossman,cemetery now,but was called the,Smith,family cemetery,and that was part of their land back in the day,and the house can be seen from route 9 in,Stockport. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Try at the county level Columbia county Thanks, Bill Satter -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:32 PM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYCOLUMB] finding a death certificate I want to find a death certificate for a gr,gr, grandfather (1815-1894) who lived his whole life in Columbia County, mostly Niverville, Kinderhook and for a while Chatham. I think Niverville was the last address. I have been in contact with the town clerks of Niverville and Kinderhook who do not have a record of his death. So my question is - what are the chances that I would find a record of death at the state level? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to find a death certificate for a gr,gr, grandfather (1815-1894) who lived his whole life in Columbia County, mostly Niverville, Kinderhook and for a while Chatham. I think Niverville was the last address. I have been in contact with the town clerks of Niverville and Kinderhook who do not have a record of his death. So my question is - what are the chances that I would find a record of death at the state level?

My new email address is chucktraver@aol.com. Thank you Charles Traver

Many thanks to Susan Mulvey, and Cliff Lamere, for their generous contribution of information for my Loop family quest. You have been very helpfull. Thanks for the info and guidance. I have a copy of the family Bible record for Philyer A.Loop,(b.1826), and his wife Fanny Maynard Chapin,(b.1828)CT. if anyone is interested. Note: Fanny Maynard Chapin, born, Chapinville,CT.,26 Sept 1828, is the daughter of Abiel Chapin (1786-1832) and Fanny Maynard, b.MA.(1800-1880+). Abiel Chapin was the Manager of the 'Chapinville Furnace', Chapinville, Litchfield, CT. near Salisbury, founded by his father Phaneas (sic) Chapin, (1757-1816). Best wishes, Bruce M. Smith, Bayside, CA.

The Columbia County Clerk's Office has ledgers of very complete marriage records for 1908 - 1934. In 1881, all New York counties except those in New York City were required to start issuing marriage certificates (also for birth and death, although death certificates begin in 1880). Those marriage certificates can be obtained from the state, or from the local town, village, or city clerk where they were issued. The state received the original handwritten certificate after the local registrar copied the essential genealogical information into a local ledger. A few cities in NY started collecting vital records earlier than 1881. Of those, Albany, Buffalo, and Yonkers were allowed to keep working under their own systems. The state did not start receiving certificates from them until 1914, the first year the state has for those cities. In 1847, school districts in New York State were required to collect birth, marriage and death information. Some schools collected that information as late as 1851 or so. In 1942, the WPA (Work Projects Administration) collected information about where all existing vital records were stored in the state. For Columbia County, they reported finding only marriages from 1848. Those were for the Town of Copake. Arthur Kelly, of Kinship publishing company, published four journals which were collectively called Valley Quarterlies (published four times a year). In those he published records that he was not publishing in book form. Very few of these records have been published elsewhere. The quarterly for Columbia County was called The Columbia. Kelly found many more 1847 vital records than were located by WPA. A general index of each quarterly is published on the Kinship site, but I thought it was difficult to interpret. I rearranged the data a bit and made it into a webpage. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clifflamere/OLists/KinQuart-ColCo.htm Kelly specialized in publishing baptism and marriage records of Reformed and Lutheran churches in Columbia and other counties. In the quarterlies, he published some death and membership records for these same churches. He he also published baptism and marriage records for churches of other denominations in the quarterlies. An example follows. Spencertown Methodist Church: Bap: 1867-1868 1/4, 3/3 Mar: 1838-1843 1/4; 1838-1844 2/4; 1844-1850 3/1; 1850-1858 3/2; 1858-1886 3/3; 1886-1896 3/4 "1838-1843 1/4" means that the marriage records for those years were in volume 1, number 4. The marriage records for this church were spread out over six journals. Kelly sells back issues and back volumes. He also sells every name indexes to each of his volumes ($6), and an every name CD to all four quarterlies (The Capital, The Columbia, The Mohawk, & The Saratoga) for the 15 years they were being published ($40). Cliff Lamere ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Snyder wrote: >Hi, > >I think the marriage record for 1847 is in the county clerks. Someone out >there might know. They recorded for just a few years. > >Beth > >-----Original Message----- >From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of baysidebruce@suddenlink.net >Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:13 AM >To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYCOLUMB] N. Hillsdale, Columbia, NY, Methodist Episcopal Church >Records > >Perhaps someone could tell me if there are church records available for the >Methodist Episcopal Church, of North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY for the years >1820 through 1860. I am primarily looking for birth, baptism, and marriage >records, for my Loop family . They include Capt Peter (1723-1824) 101 yrs,& >wife... Louise Loop. David Loop (1757-1841, & Annie L. Dudly Loop, his >wife (1777-1853), and the children of David & Annie, ...one son: Philyer >Loop was born Hillsdale 17 Mar 1826 . I am looking for a baptism for >Philyer, and a marriage to his wife Fanny Maynard Chapin on 14 Sept 1847. >Fanny and Phyler had five children. The parents David Loop and Anna are >buried in the Church Cemetery, N.Hillsadle so I assume they were members >there. I don't see any Kinship Books listed for this Church. Any help, or >suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. Bruce M. Smith > > >

Hi Bruce, I know of no records for this church. Here is a paragraph about the church from the book "Columbia County at The End of the Century" Two volumes, published and edited under the auspices of the Hudson Gazette, The Record Printing and Publishing Co., Hudson, New York, 1900, Volume 1, p. 586" "North Hillsdale Methodist Episcopal Church was formed some time between 1810 and 1815 --no records being found to verify the date. The first church building was erected in company with the Baptists. In 1837 the present structure was erected and dedicated in the fall of 1838; it cost $3,500. In 1859 it was repaired and enlarged at a cost of $1,500. It was incorporated in 1838 as the "Wesleyan Chapel of North Hillsdale." The only records LDS has is for the cemetery: New York cemetery records, 1750-1935 FHL US/CAN Film 895184 Item 2 New York, Cattaraugus, South Dayton - Cemeteries New York, Chautauqua - Cemeteries New York, Chautauqua, Busti - Cemeteries New York, Columbia, North Hillsdale - Cemeteries New York, Oneida, New Hartford - Cemeteries Pennsylvania, Susquehanna, Clifford - Cemeteries Here are all the Loops found in the Reformed Dutch Church Hillsdale, New York by Kelly, 1970 p. 1, No. 4 7.2.1776; Pieter Loop & Maria Loop, bp. Nathaniel, sponsors; Isak Pieterse Vosburgh, Cornelia Vosburgh. p. 1, No. 20: 6.16.1777; Johannes Lupp & Ruth, bp. Henrich, sponsors; Friderich Fell, Catharina. p.2, No. 32: 4.2.1782; Johannes Loep & Ruth Loep, bp. Catharina, sponsors; Pieter Stalp, Catharna Stalp. p. 4, No. 70: 9.9.1781: Christian Loop & Luica Farres, bp. Peter, b. 7.24, sponsors; Peter Loop, Maritje Bayley. p. 5, No. 100: 9.22.1782; John Lup & Ruth, bp. Sara, sponsors; Conrad Schauerman, Catharina Schauerman. Peter Loop, Sr. has a will, which I found on the NEHGS New York Wills which I will send copies to you. The will is dated 16 March 1816 and proved 27 Oct. 1824 at Hillsdale: Mentions wife Prudence Sons: Henry, Christian, Peter Jr., Martin, Nathaniel, Philyer and Benjamin. Daughters: Jenny and Mary Van Deusen. He appoints wife Prudence and son Henry and "my friend James Bryan" as executors. Hope this helps some, Susan ************************************************* "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance." -- George Bernard Shaw Columbia County, NY Coordinator http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <baysidebruce@suddenlink.net> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:13 AM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] N. Hillsdale, Columbia, NY,Methodist Episcopal Church Records > Perhaps someone could tell me if there are church records available for > the Methodist Episcopal Church, of North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY for the > years 1820 through 1860. I am primarily looking for birth, baptism, and > marriage records, for my Loop family . They include Capt Peter (1723-1824) > 101 yrs,& wife... Louise Loop. David Loop (1757-1841, & Annie L. Dudly > Loop, his wife (1777-1853), and the children of David & Annie, ...one son: > Philyer Loop was born Hillsdale 17 Mar 1826 . I am looking for a baptism > for Philyer, and a marriage to his wife Fanny Maynard Chapin on 14 Sept > 1847. Fanny and Phyler had five children. The parents David Loop and > Anna are buried in the Church Cemetery, N.Hillsadle so I assume they were > members there. I don't see any Kinship Books listed for this Church. Any > help, or suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. Bruce M. Smith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret, I have placed John Wheeler where I think that he belongs. Most of my Wheelers lived in Ulster and Columbia Counties. Richard

Hi, I think the marriage record for 1847 is in the county clerks. Someone out there might know. They recorded for just a few years. Beth -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of baysidebruce@suddenlink.net Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:13 AM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYCOLUMB] N. Hillsdale, Columbia, NY, Methodist Episcopal Church Records Perhaps someone could tell me if there are church records available for the Methodist Episcopal Church, of North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY for the years 1820 through 1860. I am primarily looking for birth, baptism, and marriage records, for my Loop family . They include Capt Peter (1723-1824) 101 yrs,& wife... Louise Loop. David Loop (1757-1841, & Annie L. Dudly Loop, his wife (1777-1853), and the children of David & Annie, ...one son: Philyer Loop was born Hillsdale 17 Mar 1826 . I am looking for a baptism for Philyer, and a marriage to his wife Fanny Maynard Chapin on 14 Sept 1847. Fanny and Phyler had five children. The parents David Loop and Anna are buried in the Church Cemetery, N.Hillsadle so I assume they were members there. I don't see any Kinship Books listed for this Church. Any help, or suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. Bruce M. Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps someone could tell me if there are church records available for the Methodist Episcopal Church, of North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY for the years 1820 through 1860. I am primarily looking for birth, baptism, and marriage records, for my Loop family . They include Capt Peter (1723-1824) 101 yrs,& wife... Louise Loop. David Loop (1757-1841, & Annie L. Dudly Loop, his wife (1777-1853), and the children of David & Annie, ...one son: Philyer Loop was born Hillsdale 17 Mar 1826 . I am looking for a baptism for Philyer, and a marriage to his wife Fanny Maynard Chapin on 14 Sept 1847. Fanny and Phyler had five children. The parents David Loop and Anna are buried in the Church Cemetery, N.Hillsadle so I assume they were members there. I don't see any Kinship Books listed for this Church. Any help, or suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. Bruce M. Smith

Richard, If you do not hear from anyone who can really help you, I suggest that you research in Dutchess County, around South Dover. There were many Wheeler's in that area. Good luck, Margaret On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Richard <RichardAHayes@bex.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > I have a John/Jan Wheeler (Wieler) who was baptized on 10 Feb 1740. His > parents were John Wheeler & Elizabeth Wheeler. I have him married to Maria > Cooper on 23 Nov 1768. Maria was Baptized in the Albany DRC on 26 Aug 1750. > I have 2 children for them baptized in the Kinderhook Reformed Church. > > I have another John/Jan Wheeler (Wieler). He married Lea Woodcock about > 1762. Lea was baptized on 18 Oct 1741 in Kinderhook. John and 8 children > baptized in the Kinderhook Reformed Church. > > When was the John Wheeler who married Lea Woodcock born and who were his > parents? > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: aquafish4 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/1326.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just started research. My info says Asahel was born 1747 in Ridgefield, Fairfield Co., Conn. (from: They Came From Milton) I also am seeking parentage and siblings of Elinor Briggs. Their son Joseph claimed to be of Scottish descent and in the War of 1812. (See 'Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Rock, Green, Grant, Iowa and Lafayette Wisconsin', 1901, p.421, 422). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: awestruck1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4884.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks so much for the wonderful information you both shared here. I realized I made a mistake in the subject line. William died in 1916, not 1913, as I put in the subject line above. I will look through this information again and put it in my notes. Thanks again. I appreciate your responding to my post very much. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SMULVEY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4884.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, The closest I can find to your William is a baptism in the Christ Lutheran Church, Germantown, New York p.53 # 1136 4 Dec 1838 William Haaver and Helen baptized William born 16 September. There a no other baptisms for this couple in this book. I feel William is somehow related to Jeremiah Hawver and Amanda (Waters) Hawver listed in the 1850 census at Germantown because of the fact that William E. and Estelle listed in the 1870 census at Hurley, Ulster county has a child named Chauncey as do Jeremiah and Amanda. Look at the 1850 for Jeremiah and Amanda Jeremiah Hawver, 55 Amanda, 49 Chauncy, 29 Eveline, 27 Philip, 26 Alexander 24 Catherine, 22 Andrew, 19 Remanso, 18 Leonard, 16 Eugene, 14 Amanda, 12 And two others not related. In the 1900 census at Rosendale, Ulster county: William Hauver, head, male, white, born March 1842, age 58, married 35 years, painter. Esstella, wife, white, female, born Feb. 1844, age 56, married 35 years, had 5 children with 4 still living. Gracie, niece, white, female, born Jan 1897, age 3. All were born in New York. Have you tried to find William and Estella's marriage record? I have a feeling they were married in Ulster county probably in Hurley. Susan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RichardAHayes_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4884.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi awestruck1, William Hover & Estella Bundy had 3 children baptized in the Kinderhook Reformed Church. Charles David was born 27 Nov 1865 and baptized on 23 Feb 1867, Frank Seymour was born 28 Dec 1867 and baptized on 31 Dec 1869, Estella was born on 8 Mar 1869 and was baptized on 31 Dec 1869. There is no record of a baptism in the Kinderhook Reformed Church for William Hover. Richard Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Richard, A couple of months ago we had three people from the Dutch-Colonies list going over the early Wielaer/Wheeler family and using this Worldconnect submission as the starting point/finding aid. We were split on whether Marytje was a Woodcock or not. I couldn't find an appropriate Marytje Woodcock baptism so I'm kinda undecided, although Glenn's reasoning makes sense. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:53 AM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] John Wheeler Hi Jim, The information on WorldConnect indicates the name of the parents for the John Wheeler who married Lea Woodcock as Evert Wheeler and Marytje Woodcock. I have 11 children for this family. If they had a son John, he would have been born about 1739. No baptism has ever been found for this John. If he fits there, that's where I will but him. There is a John Wheeler who was baptized on 10 Feb 1739 in Kinderhook Reformed Church. His parents were John Wheeler and Elizabeth Wheeler. Richard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi awestruck1, William Hover & Estella Bundy had 3 children baptized in the Kinderhook Reformed Church. Charles David was born 27 Nov 1865 and baptized on 23 Feb 1867, Frank Seymour was born 28 Dec 1867 and baptized on 31 Dec 1869, Estella was born on 8 Mar 1869 and was baptized on 31 Dec 1869. There is no record of a baptism in the Kinderhook Reformed Church for William Hover. Richard

Hi Jim, The information on WorldConnect indicates the name of the parents for the John Wheeler who married Lea Woodcock as Evert Wheeler and Marytje Woodcock. I have 11 children for this family. If they had a son John, he would have been born about 1739. No baptism has ever been found for this John. If he fits there, that's where I will but him. There is a John Wheeler who was baptized on 10 Feb 1739 in Kinderhook Reformed Church. His parents were John Wheeler and Elizabeth Wheeler. Richard

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: awestruck1 Surnames: Hover Bundy Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4884/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on my great great grandfather, named William E. Hover, born in Kinderhook in 1838, possibly 1840. He was married to Estella Bundy. They have 5 children, Estella, Frank, Jenny, and 2 others. One of them ran away to join the circus and was never seen by his family again. I don't have any background information on William. His death certificate listed his parents names as unknown. He died in 1913 and was buried in Marbletown Cemetery. Any help with information on this family will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.