This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EdLanphier Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4808.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find information regarding Latham Lamphere/Lamphier/Lanphere of Scriba, NY He was born around 1783 and died in Scriba, NY in 1863. He had a son James Harvey Lanphier who is my great great grandfather. Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks Ed Lanphier ed.lanphier@yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

On a related topic, Oakwood Cemetery in Troy is holding a tour/lecture on gravestones on Saturday, August 22 9-11am ($12.00) *Weeping Willows of Stone: Gravestone Iconography* Join Rensselaer County Historian, Kathy Sheehan, as she highlights the amazing variety of gravestone imagery at Oakwood Cemetery to register call 1-800-556-6273 more info: www.oakwoodcemetery.org [518]272-7520

Always keep in mind that the individual who is giving the information to the engraver, or for the death record itself may not know the true date of birth. The person reporting the death or ordering the gravestone is often a spouse or child of the desceased, but may be a grandchild, a cousin, an aged sibling who doesn't even know his/her own exact birth date, or even a dear friend trying to recall what he/she was told by the individual long ago. Also, those doing the transcriptions do make errors (as we all do -- even me). Many of the transcriptions were done as part of the post depression (that earlier one 75 years ago -- not this one) to put people to work and get money moving into the economy. Those most in need of the work were not the best educated nor were they highly motivated toward accuracy. They were more interested in the small check that they received at the end of the day. I suspect they may have been paid by the number of transcriptions they did while working. I use the dates and ages on gravestones as a guideline only after resorting to other, more reliable sources. I dare say that if one were to take one of the books of transcriptions to the cemetery and compare them to the actual headstones, the percentage of discrepancies would be large. In early Columbia County, I high percentage of the children born were baptized and the baptismal records are usually accurate and provide the best primary source. Regards, Jim Groat ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Age on a gravestone > Hi Cliff, > > They're two separate thoughts. > > First, when people use "died in his/her Nth year", meaning an actual age > of > N-1, it usually matches up with the known birthdate, as it should by > definition. If you see a case where it's off by one year exactly, I would > question if the user properly understood the difference, was bad at math, > mis-informed or the garvestone was mis-iterpreted. > > Second, the transcriptions of Columbia County inscriptions that I'm using > lately have numerous instances where I look at an entry and "know" the age > or date of death "must" be wrong because it doesn't "equate" to a known > DOB. > > I've thought of posting on this phenomenon to see if others have noticed > this when I saw your post and kind of conflated the two issues. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Lamere > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:08 PM > To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Age on a gravestone > > > Jim, > > Just so I am sure, what was "such a regular thing?" Are they regularly > N-1, regularly N, or do they just regularly not match up with what you > already have (for various reasons)? > > Cliff > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > James Brady wrote: > >>When I see so-and-so died in his/her Nth year, I understand his/her actual >>age to be N-1. >> >>I've been working my way through some of the graveyard transcriptions of >>Columbia County and am non-plussed when they don't match up with what I >>already know because it's such a regular thing. >> >>I don't know the absolute reason, but in many cases in may be a bad >>reading >>of the gravestone that causes the date of death, minus the given age, to > not >>match up with the known birthdate. It may be innumeracy. It may be that >>the >>person supplying the info for the marker wasn't knowledgeable. In some > cases >>I can surmise what went wrong and add a note to my citation. In other > cases, >>if it was real importnat to my work, I would want to get another citation >>from another source, say a funeral record or obit. >> >>Jim >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: canis1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4887/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Capital District Genealogical Society will meet at the Colonie Town Library 629 Albany-Shaker Road, Loudonville Saturday AUG 22, 2009 2 P.M. to 4 P.M. The computer group will meet at 1 P.M. The computer group is an informal demonstration by one of our members of sites and tips to use on your computer The topic for the meeting will be Membership Favorite Websites A chance for members to share a few of their favorite websites with others Please join us-bring the address of your favorite websites or just come and learn from others! The meeting is free and open to the public. Capital District Genealogical Society P.O. Box 2175 Empire State Plaza Station Albany, NY 12220 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Cliff, They're two separate thoughts. First, when people use "died in his/her Nth year", meaning an actual age of N-1, it usually matches up with the known birthdate, as it should by definition. If you see a case where it's off by one year exactly, I would question if the user properly understood the difference, was bad at math, mis-informed or the garvestone was mis-iterpreted. Second, the transcriptions of Columbia County inscriptions that I'm using lately have numerous instances where I look at an entry and "know" the age or date of death "must" be wrong because it doesn't "equate" to a known DOB. I've thought of posting on this phenomenon to see if others have noticed this when I saw your post and kind of conflated the two issues. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Lamere Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 2:08 PM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Age on a gravestone Jim, Just so I am sure, what was "such a regular thing?" Are they regularly N-1, regularly N, or do they just regularly not match up with what you already have (for various reasons)? Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Brady wrote: >When I see so-and-so died in his/her Nth year, I understand his/her actual >age to be N-1. > >I've been working my way through some of the graveyard transcriptions of >Columbia County and am non-plussed when they don't match up with what I >already know because it's such a regular thing. > >I don't know the absolute reason, but in many cases in may be a bad reading >of the gravestone that causes the date of death, minus the given age, to not >match up with the known birthdate. It may be innumeracy. It may be that the >person supplying the info for the marker wasn't knowledgeable. In some cases >I can surmise what went wrong and add a note to my citation. In other cases, >if it was real importnat to my work, I would want to get another citation >from another source, say a funeral record or obit. > >Jim > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, Just so I am sure, what was "such a regular thing?" Are they regularly N-1, regularly N, or do they just regularly not match up with what you already have (for various reasons)? Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Brady wrote: >When I see so-and-so died in his/her Nth year, I understand his/her actual >age to be N-1. > >I've been working my way through some of the graveyard transcriptions of >Columbia County and am non-plussed when they don't match up with what I >already know because it's such a regular thing. > >I don't know the absolute reason, but in many cases in may be a bad reading >of the gravestone that causes the date of death, minus the given age, to not >match up with the known birthdate. It may be innumeracy. It may be that the >person supplying the info for the marker wasn't knowledgeable. In some cases >I can surmise what went wrong and add a note to my citation. In other cases, >if it was real importnat to my work, I would want to get another citation >from another source, say a funeral record or obit. > >Jim > > >

When I see so-and-so died in his/her Nth year, I understand his/her actual age to be N-1. I've been working my way through some of the graveyard transcriptions of Columbia County and am non-plussed when they don't match up with what I already know because it's such a regular thing. I don't know the absolute reason, but in many cases in may be a bad reading of the gravestone that causes the date of death, minus the given age, to not match up with the known birthdate. It may be innumeracy. It may be that the person supplying the info for the marker wasn't knowledgeable. In some cases I can surmise what went wrong and add a note to my citation. In other cases, if it was real importnat to my work, I would want to get another citation from another source, say a funeral record or obit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Lamere Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:01 PM To: nyalbany@rootsweb.com; nyrensse@rootsweb.com; nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Age on a gravestone If a gravestone says that a person died in the 30th year of his age, how old was the person? Since a person's first year is before they reach one year old, then during a person's 30th year they should only be age 29. I am wondering how this has been applied in the past when stones were carved. Today I saw a stone on the internet that said that the person died "IN HIS 87. YEAR". I know for a fact that he was 87 when he died. If a stone said that a person was 50 years old, that is not being questioned in this email. If it says, "in his 50th year" or "in the 50th year of her age", then I don't know the intended meaning. Does anyone know of cases in which the person's real age was one less than the number shown on the stone? Cliff Lamere ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cliff, I've seen it both ways as you say. Its kind of archaic and prosaic. JTravis

If a gravestone says that a person died in the 30th year of his age, how old was the person? Since a person's first year is before they reach one year old, then during a person's 30th year they should only be age 29. I am wondering how this has been applied in the past when stones were carved. Today I saw a stone on the internet that said that the person died "IN HIS 87. YEAR". I know for a fact that he was 87 when he died. If a stone said that a person was 50 years old, that is not being questioned in this email. If it says, "in his 50th year" or "in the 50th year of her age", then I don't know the intended meaning. Does anyone know of cases in which the person's real age was one less than the number shown on the stone? Cliff Lamere

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dashlewis Surnames: Ashley, Pixley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4886/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on the family of Ida Elizabeth Ashley b.abt.1860. She lived in Stuyvesant Falls and married Edward Pixley from West Stockbridge, MA they had a son Burtrand Levi Pixley in 1886. I am looking for her parents and siblings. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dashlewis Surnames: Dingman, Ashley, Pixley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/1825.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Harriet Melinda Dingman b.Jan. 31, 1827, married Levi Pixley, had a son Edward Pixley b.Oct.5, 1856. Edward married Ida Elizabeth Ashley b. abt. 1860. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have found really crazy misspellings in the Ancestry indexes. Another hint: young men in those days often went to work on farms or in factories away from home. I found some uncles and great-uncles living on big farms or estates rather than "at home". Young women also went to keep house for grandparents or others. Had another relative who worked as a chauffeur and was listed with that family rather than "at home". On 8/14/09 3:01 PM, "Cathy" <chorn0591@verizon.net> wrote: > Pat, > > I won't bet on that. Instead, I would bet that someone when > indexing the surname may have misread the name entirely. > > If you use Ancestry to look for the census, then use their advanced > search and put in first name, state or country of birth and an > approximate year of birth. Leave out the last name altogether and > try your search that way. > > I've found many families that way because the indexer didn't read the > name correctly. Luckily when I do find them, Ancestry has a way to > add an "alternate" name and so I add the correct name there so that > anyone searching in the future will easily find the family. > > Happy Hunting! > Cathy > > > > At 07:39 PM 8/11/2009 -0400, you wrote: >> Can I assume if I have a World War I Draft Registration and am unable to >> find the person in the 1920 Hudson census that that person was in the >> service? I have found them in 1910 and 1930, but nothing for 1920. >> >> >> >> Pat Belterman >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I agree. I have found names spelled totally wrong in the Ancestry index. Another hint: If it is a young man you are looking for, it is entirely possible that he was living and working somewhere else as a hired hand for a period of time. I found my uncles and great-uncles all over the place in Columbia County, working as laborers on farms. Another relative was a chauffeur living on-site. Hard to guess where to look. They can even turn up in adjacent counties. -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:01 PM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Census Records for 1920 Pat, I won't bet on that. Instead, I would bet that someone when indexing the surname may have misread the name entirely. If you use Ancestry to look for the census, then use their advanced search and put in first name, state or country of birth and an approximate year of birth. Leave out the last name altogether and try your search that way. I've found many families that way because the indexer didn't read the name correctly. Luckily when I do find them, Ancestry has a way to add an "alternate" name and so I add the correct name there so that anyone searching in the future will easily find the family. Happy Hunting! Cathy At 07:39 PM 8/11/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Can I assume if I have a World War I Draft Registration and am unable to >find the person in the 1920 Hudson census that that person was in the >service? I have found them in 1910 and 1930, but nothing for 1920. > > > >Pat Belterman > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, I won't bet on that. Instead, I would bet that someone when indexing the surname may have misread the name entirely. If you use Ancestry to look for the census, then use their advanced search and put in first name, state or country of birth and an approximate year of birth. Leave out the last name altogether and try your search that way. I've found many families that way because the indexer didn't read the name correctly. Luckily when I do find them, Ancestry has a way to add an "alternate" name and so I add the correct name there so that anyone searching in the future will easily find the family. Happy Hunting! Cathy At 07:39 PM 8/11/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Can I assume if I have a World War I Draft Registration and am unable to >find the person in the 1920 Hudson census that that person was in the >service? I have found them in 1910 and 1930, but nothing for 1920. > > > >Pat Belterman > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, If you send in the person's name, I will look the name up in the book Columbia County in the World War. Which I am presently transcribing to put online - slow going though! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Bob" <pbelt97@mhcable.com> To: <NYCOLUMB@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Census Records for 1920 > Can I assume if I have a World War I Draft Registration and am unable to > find the person in the 1920 Hudson census that that person was in the > service? I have found them in 1910 and 1930, but nothing for 1920. > > > > Pat Belterman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's a pretty good bet, but not a certainty. To double check look at the 1930 census -- there's a block on the right hand side for veterans and a designation of which war. Jim Groat A vet of 24 years 2 mos and 8 days, two major wars, and untold brushfires before I decided not to make it a career. I make no hasty decisions. <grin> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Bob" <pbelt97@mhcable.com> To: <NYCOLUMB@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Census Records for 1920 > Can I assume if I have a World War I Draft Registration and am unable to > find the person in the 1920 Hudson census that that person was in the > service? I have found them in 1910 and 1930, but nothing for 1920. > > > > Pat Belterman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELICLEE Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4878.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found this - perhaps this is your Moses? http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Delaware/delchapXXVI.htm (search the page for Decker) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Can I assume if I have a World War I Draft Registration and am unable to find the person in the 1920 Hudson census that that person was in the service? I have found them in 1910 and 1930, but nothing for 1920. Pat Belterman