This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ericpickel Surnames: Pickel, Pickle, Rossman, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/24.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I show your Catherine Pickle b.September 29, 1796 notes: Baptized in 1796 - Sponsored by Frederick Pickle (b. ca. 1775?) Catherine m. Nathaniel Knight - no other info. I also show she m. a - John Saunders Catherine was the daughter of John Pickle Jr. b June 29, 1768 & Catherine Rossman. John Pickel Jr. ws the son of John Pickel b. abt 1738,m,we believe Catherine CHURCH. They lived in Claverack NY circa 1755, Loyalist, later settled in Qc. Cabada. Notes:Was John Jr. the son of John Pickle or the son of John's brother/cousin?- 'Thomas 'Pecktel' Pickle b. abt 1737. Both John & Thomas were n Claverack circa 1755. F.E.(Gene) Pickel (b. 1928) from Michigan believes John Jr., is son of Thomas b. abt 1737. John Jr - Born in Dutchess Co. N.Y. Buried in Pettes Cemetery, W. Brome, Quebec. ------------- I show John Jr. & Catherine Rossman as having 7 children: I have information on all the children down if you need it. Good luck, Eric Pickel, Qc. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Lois, Your deed should lead you to the location of that property- Gale Hill road is in what is now the Town of Lebanon in the northern part of Columbia .Co. Case is an old name in that area - also was called the New Britain area- Town of Lebanon has a Historical Society which might be of more help than the assessors office. Dorothy Mackerer - East Chatham, N.Y.

The divorce angle is just conjecture, but I am certain that the family that was in Canaan in 1860 is the same as was in Pittsfield in 1870. The names and ages of all the children match, as do the birth places, etc. -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy McLean Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:37 PM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. 1860 to 1870 Thanks, Elsie. For what it's worth, based on the surrounding surnames, I think they lived along the Canaan/Lebanon/Massachusetts border. Perhaps attended church in New Lebanon, which did have a Catholic parish by 1860. There were some grand farms where John may have worked as a "farm laborer" which is his listed occupation. Maybe even worked at one of the Shaker communities. I'm not sure when the Shakers started hiring outside labor, but it was common by the early 20th century to hire men to do the heavy farming work. I have trouble with the notion of a divorce at that time. Maybe Bridget couldn't marry in the Church because her new husband wasn't Catholic. Or maybe there are multiple Briget Fallons and John Fallons. On 10/19/09 7:22 PM, "Elsie Saar" <saare@attglobal.net> wrote: > Listed under John Follen. > Elsie (Scharpf) Saar > > Quilting: http://community.webshots.com/user/saarlc > > Genealogy research > American: Parks, Avann, Bulson, Soden, Menkens > German: Wienecke, Storz, Scharpf, Saar, Stelzer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy McLean" <wwmclean@comcast.net> > To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. 1860 > to 1870 > > >> I can't find the Fallons in the 1860 federal census. >> >> >> On 10/19/09 3:51 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Wendy, >>> >>> There probably aren't any Lally's around Canaan since John and >>> Bridget >>> (Lally) Fallon were already married when they arrived in Canaan. >>> They lived >>> for a while in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia area, possibly) and were >>> either >>> married there or possibly before they left Ireland. They appear in >>> Canaan >>> in the 1860 census (the copy I included in my previous email) and >>> the state >>> census of 1865, but in the 1870 census the family was in >>> Pittsfield, MA and >>> John was gone. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:47 PM >>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>> 1860 to >>> 1870 >>> >>> Bill - >>> >>> I don't see any "Lally" surnames in the federal census either. I >>> am pretty >>> familiar with the Canaan surnames of that time period, and I have >>> to say >>> that I don't even vaguely recall any Lally's. There were Fallons >>> in nearby >>> West Stockbridge, MA. >>> >>> Canaan never had a Catholic Church. Not a lot of Irish surnames. >>> >>> I'm still puzzled as to what census records you are looking at. I >>> don't see >>> any Fallons in the Federal census for 1870. I would love to help, >>> but I >>> need some clarification. >>> >>> >>> On 10/18/09 4:30 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One other thing - his wife's maiden name was Lally. Has anyone >>>> run across >>>> this name in the Canaan area? They were married in Ireland, but >>>> some of >>> her >>>> relatives could have come over with them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:29 PM >>>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>>> 1860 to >>>> 1870 >>>> >>>> I don't see them in the 1860 Federal census. Was that the state >>>> census? >>> I >>>> like to look at the names of families nearby because I can often >>>> tell >>> where >>>> in Canaan they were living, which sometimes provides hints. >>>> >>>> Divorce was very rare in that time period. >>>> >>>> Did you check to see if he served in the Civil War? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/18/09 11:59 AM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am looking for any information on a family named Fallon (also >>>>> spelled >>>>> Follen and Folland) that lived in Canaan, Columbia County in the >>>> mid-1800s. >>>>> John Fallon was born in Ireland c. 1826 and was in Canaan in the >>>>> 1860 and >>>>> 1865 censuses with his family (below). In 1870, his wife Bridget >>>> remarried >>>>> in Pittsfield, MA and I suspect that John and Bridget were >>>>> divorced, >>> since >>>>> she was married by a Justice of the Peace and also, a John Fallon >>>>> shows >>> up >>>>> in the 1900 census with the same "fact pattern" in Boston. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The family (in the 1860 census) was: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John Fallon, age 34, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Bridget Fallon, age 33, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Fallon, age 6, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Mary Fallon, age 3, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Catherine Fallon, age 1, born in New York >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill C. - Orange, CT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: loisebranch Surnames: Gale, Evans, Ashby Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4902/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have found the following pertaining to the deed pasted at the bottom of this letter. Can anyone tell me if this enough information to find where this land lies and if the Tax Assessors Office would be able to tell me. Thank you, Lois Branch Troutdale, OR From: Lyon memorial : New York families descended from the immigrant Thomas Lyon, of Rye, with introductory chapter by Dr. G.W.A. Lyon They lived on Gale Hill near West Lebanon, NY where Nehemiah's Father, coming from Sawpit, NY had settled and where a daughter Susan (Gale) Ashby now lives (1900) Gale Hill is a mountain summit in Columbia County in the state of New York (NY). Gale Hill climbs to 1,155 feet (352.04 meters) above sea level. Gale Hill is located at latitude - longitude coordinates (also called lat - long coordinates or GPS coordinates) of N 42.483415 and W -73.503723. Deed: Know all men By these Presents that I, NEHEMIAH GALE of Canaan County of Columbia State of New York Do for and in the consideration of the sum of one Hundred and ten Pounds Lawful money of said State to me in hand paid by ASA EVANS of said town and county afores, the receipt whereof is hearby acknolidged and my self fully paid and sattisfied Do give grant bargain sell release convey and confirm unto the said ASA EVANS his heirs and assigns for ever all that piece or parcel of land lying and being in the town of Canaan County of Columbia Buted and Bounded as follows, beginning at a chestnutt Stand mark with stones about it then running on the road as the fence Now stands to WILLIAM CASEs corner to a stake and stones thence southwest to a stake & stones running westerly to a stake and stones then turning and running westerly to green stand mark with stones about it then turning North westerly and running to a walnut stand mark and stones about it then turning and running wes! terly to a white oak tree by the fence then turning and running southerly by WILLIAM CASE and THOMAS BENTLY as the fence now stands to a stand and stones about it and grape vines running on it then turning and running westerly as the Brook runs to T BENTLYs Northwest Corner then turning and running southerly as the fence now stands to a stake and stones then turning and running northerly to a white pine mark, and stones about it then turning and running westerly to a hard maple then turning and running northerly to the first mentioned Bounds reserving at the place called the mud hole going to the water priveledge of water on the mentioned line at the most convient place and do the least damage to Sd Evans, and to have a lane four rods wide to said Spring. ---- To have and to hold the above described premises with all priveledges....and appertaining unto him the said ASA EVENS his heirs and assigns and I do by these presents bind myself my heirs Executors or administrators t! o warrant and defend the same free and clear from all persons claimin g from by or under me in Testimony whereof I have hereunto sett my hand and seal this fifth day of November 1795 Nehemiah Gale (Ss) her Ginny X Gale (Ss) Signed mark JAMES LACKWOOD ELIJAH GALE WILLIAM CASE Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

It makes me wonder where the family of my friend Tom Bentley came from. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] 1795 Deed: Canaan Township > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: loisebranch > Surnames: Gale, Evans, Ashby > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4902/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I have found the following pertaining to the deed pasted at the bottom of > this letter. Can anyone tell me if this enough information to find where > this land lies and if the Tax Assessors Office would be able to tell me. > Thank you, > Lois Branch > Troutdale, OR > > From: Lyon memorial : New York families descended from the immigrant > Thomas Lyon, of Rye, with introductory chapter by Dr. G.W.A. Lyon > They lived on Gale Hill near West Lebanon, NY where Nehemiah's Father, > coming from Sawpit, NY had settled and where a daughter Susan (Gale) Ashby > now lives (1900) > > Gale Hill is a mountain summit in Columbia County in the state of New York > (NY). Gale Hill climbs to 1,155 feet (352.04 meters) above sea level. Gale > Hill is located at latitude - longitude coordinates (also called lat - > long coordinates or GPS coordinates) of N 42.483415 and W -73.503723. > > Deed: > Know all men By these Presents that I, NEHEMIAH GALE of Canaan County of > Columbia State of New York Do for and in the consideration of the sum of > one Hundred and ten Pounds Lawful money of said State to me in hand paid > by ASA EVANS of said town and county afores, the receipt whereof is hearby > acknolidged and my self fully paid and sattisfied Do give grant bargain > sell release convey and confirm unto the said ASA EVANS his heirs and > assigns for ever all that piece or parcel of land lying and being in the > town of Canaan County of Columbia Buted and Bounded as follows, beginning > at a chestnutt Stand mark with stones about it then running on the road as > the fence Now stands to WILLIAM CASEs corner to a stake and stones thence > southwest to a stake & stones running westerly to a stake and stones then > turning and running westerly to green stand mark with stones about it then > turning North westerly and running to a walnut stand mark and stones about > it then turning and running wes! > terly to a white oak tree by the fence then turning and running southerly > by WILLIAM CASE and THOMAS BENTLY as the fence now stands to a stand and > stones about it and grape vines running on it then turning and running > westerly as the Brook runs to T BENTLYs Northwest Corner then turning and > running southerly as the fence now stands to a stake and stones then > turning and running northerly to a white pine mark, and stones about it > then turning and running westerly to a hard maple then turning and running > northerly to the first mentioned Bounds reserving at the place called the > mud hole going to the water priveledge of water on the mentioned line at > the most convient place and do the least damage to Sd Evans, and to have a > lane four rods wide to said Spring. ---- To have and to hold the above > described premises with all priveledges....and appertaining unto him the > said ASA EVENS his heirs and assigns and I do by these presents bind > myself my heirs Executors or administrators t! > o warrant and defend the same free and clear from all persons claimin > g from by or under me in Testimony whereof I have hereunto sett my hand > and seal this fifth day of November 1795 > Nehemiah Gale > (Ss) > > her > Ginny X > Gale (Ss) > Signed mark > JAMES LACKWOOD > ELIJAH GALE > WILLIAM CASE > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joanvangorder Surnames: Douglas, Douglass Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Landon, Even if the family bible pages you have are not my immediate Douglas line, I would very much be interested in seeing them. You never know where they might fit into the line and solve a mystery. Thanks Joan E-mail: Davids@ptd.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: megsgeneo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4900.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would contact the Tax Assessors office and the genealogy society. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: planckr Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4901/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Was the Johannes Minckalaer who married Elizabeth Best and had son David L Minckler in the Albany County Militia, 10th Reg, Land and Bounty Rights? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LandonCanida Surnames: DOUGLASS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I need to dig through my files. I think I have a copy of a few pages of an old Douglas bible. I don't think that it's Asa's, but it has birthdates, marriages, etc. Another cousin gave it to me along with some other info. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tomwagner1123 Surnames: Son Halinstaat Holvenstot Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4900/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Chatham Road Tax of 1801 lists all inhabitants alongside particular roads, called "Beats". The descriptions of each "Beat" doesn't really make sense today, for example... "Beat No. 25: John Foot's to the Kinderhook Line including crossroads to the south and crossraod to Israel Phelps." Has anybody figured out the modern names of these beats/roads today? Even better yet, does a map exist from circa 1801 showing these roads? Thanks. Tom Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joanvangorder Surnames: Douglas/Douglass Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Landon, Thanks so much for the pix's! They are just what I was looking for. I descend from John Douglas(1772), Sarah's brother. We are cousins from what I can see. Here is my wish list: Asa Douglass (1715-1792) Will. Asa Douglas (1739-1812) Will. Have probate and abstract. Family Bible of Asa (1739-1812). It is a large one as mentioned in his probate. Church records, etc. of my John's(1772) birth in Canaan, Columbia, NY. Looking forward to corresponding with you cousin. Joan E-mail: Davids@ptd.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LandonCanida Surnames: DOUGLASS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Major Douglass' tombstone... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LandonCanida Surnames: DOUGLASS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A bird's eye view... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LandonCanida Surnames: DOUGLASS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Here's a shot of the front of the "Douglas House"... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LandonCanida Surnames: DOUGLASS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Here's a picture of the Historic Marker... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LandonCanida Surnames: DOUGLASS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Joan, I just tried to post, but ancestry.com gave me an error, so I'm going to try again! I see that we're cousins, Asa Douglass jr is my 6th Great Grandfather. I descend from his daughter Sarah Douglass. Anyhow, I visited Stephentown and Canaan last year. I'm attaching some pictures for you. One is the historic marker, the second is a shot of the Douglass House, a third is a bird's eye view. I've also attached a picture of his tombstone. As you can see, the actual spelling is Douglass. I have quite a bit of information on the Douglass line, I've gathered quite a bit myself as well as collaborating with other cousins of ours. I'm going to try attaching the pictures one at a time, because it keeps giving me an error. Take care! Landon Canida Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks, Elsie. For what it's worth, based on the surrounding surnames, I think they lived along the Canaan/Lebanon/Massachusetts border. Perhaps attended church in New Lebanon, which did have a Catholic parish by 1860. There were some grand farms where John may have worked as a "farm laborer" which is his listed occupation. Maybe even worked at one of the Shaker communities. I'm not sure when the Shakers started hiring outside labor, but it was common by the early 20th century to hire men to do the heavy farming work. I have trouble with the notion of a divorce at that time. Maybe Bridget couldn't marry in the Church because her new husband wasn't Catholic. Or maybe there are multiple Briget Fallons and John Fallons. On 10/19/09 7:22 PM, "Elsie Saar" <saare@attglobal.net> wrote: > Listed under John Follen. > Elsie (Scharpf) Saar > > Quilting: http://community.webshots.com/user/saarlc > > Genealogy research > American: Parks, Avann, Bulson, Soden, Menkens > German: Wienecke, Storz, Scharpf, Saar, Stelzer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy McLean" <wwmclean@comcast.net> > To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. 1860 > to 1870 > > >> I can't find the Fallons in the 1860 federal census. >> >> >> On 10/19/09 3:51 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Wendy, >>> >>> There probably aren't any Lally's around Canaan since John and >>> Bridget >>> (Lally) Fallon were already married when they arrived in Canaan. >>> They lived >>> for a while in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia area, possibly) and were >>> either >>> married there or possibly before they left Ireland. They appear in >>> Canaan >>> in the 1860 census (the copy I included in my previous email) and >>> the state >>> census of 1865, but in the 1870 census the family was in >>> Pittsfield, MA and >>> John was gone. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:47 PM >>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>> 1860 to >>> 1870 >>> >>> Bill - >>> >>> I don't see any "Lally" surnames in the federal census either. I >>> am pretty >>> familiar with the Canaan surnames of that time period, and I have >>> to say >>> that I don't even vaguely recall any Lally's. There were Fallons >>> in nearby >>> West Stockbridge, MA. >>> >>> Canaan never had a Catholic Church. Not a lot of Irish surnames. >>> >>> I'm still puzzled as to what census records you are looking at. I >>> don't see >>> any Fallons in the Federal census for 1870. I would love to help, >>> but I >>> need some clarification. >>> >>> >>> On 10/18/09 4:30 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One other thing - his wife's maiden name was Lally. Has anyone >>>> run across >>>> this name in the Canaan area? They were married in Ireland, but >>>> some of >>> her >>>> relatives could have come over with them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:29 PM >>>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>>> 1860 to >>>> 1870 >>>> >>>> I don't see them in the 1860 Federal census. Was that the state >>>> census? >>> I >>>> like to look at the names of families nearby because I can often >>>> tell >>> where >>>> in Canaan they were living, which sometimes provides hints. >>>> >>>> Divorce was very rare in that time period. >>>> >>>> Did you check to see if he served in the Civil War? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/18/09 11:59 AM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am looking for any information on a family named Fallon (also >>>>> spelled >>>>> Follen and Folland) that lived in Canaan, Columbia County in the >>>> mid-1800s. >>>>> John Fallon was born in Ireland c. 1826 and was in Canaan in the >>>>> 1860 and >>>>> 1865 censuses with his family (below). In 1870, his wife Bridget >>>> remarried >>>>> in Pittsfield, MA and I suspect that John and Bridget were >>>>> divorced, >>> since >>>>> she was married by a Justice of the Peace and also, a John Fallon >>>>> shows >>> up >>>>> in the 1900 census with the same "fact pattern" in Boston. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The family (in the 1860 census) was: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John Fallon, age 34, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Bridget Fallon, age 33, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Fallon, age 6, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Mary Fallon, age 3, born in Ireland >>>>> >>>>> Catherine Fallon, age 1, born in New York >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill C. - Orange, CT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>> quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jaharder88 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4899.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again, I found what you must already know: there were two Asa Douglas, the father lived in Stephentown, the son in Canaan. The Stephentown house isn't the one you were looking for, but obviously also was owned by your ancestors. It's odd that both Stephentown and Canaan claim their Douglas house to be the site of the Revolutionary jail. An old Douglas book says it was the Stephentown one. Asa Douglas, Sergeant Birth: 11 DEC 1715 in Plainfield, Windham Co., CT Death: 12 NOV 1792 in Stephentown, Rensselaer Co., NY Father: William Douglas , Deacon b: 19 FEB 1672 in New London, CT Mother: Sarah [Proctor?] b: 1674 in New London, CT Marriage: Rebecca Wheeler? b: 26 AUG 1718 in Plainfield, Windham Co., CT; 13 children. Bio: Asa moved from Plainfield to Old Canaan, NY, about 1746, and remainded there some 20 years. In 1776 he removed with his family to what was at that time Jerico Hollow, MA, but was subsequently included in Stephentown NY. His son William preceeded him the year before. When Asa came he brought with him a company of men who cleared 30 acres of land and built a large farm house. The nearest neighbor was 4 miles a way, and they were obliged to go 14 miles to the nearest sawmill. The garret of the house was used during the Revelotionary War as a jail, there being at that time none in the county. Eleven years later, sixty-one year old Asa Douglas struck his blow for freedom when he led a company of thirty "Silver Grays" at the Battle of Bennington, on the 16th of August, 1777, when the force of British and Indians sent to seize the stores collected at that place were defeated by the Americans under Col. John Stark. Disguised as an old farmer looking for his lost cows, Douglas acted as a spy at the siege of Ticonderoga. He left his horse outside the lines and proceeded boldly into the enemy lines. When he mounted his horse to go home, someone called, "The old farmer is a spy!" Then, as the shooting began, Asa said to his horse, "Old Ti, ride for your life and if you get me home safely, you will never be saddled again." It is said that he kept his word and "Old Ti" lived happily in the pasture for the rest of his life. Asa continued to reside in Stephentown till the time of his death. His widow survived him some 14 years. Asa Douglas Jr, Major Birth: 24 DEC 1739 in Plainfield, Windham Co., CT Death: 17 APR 1812 in Canaan, Columbia Co., NY Father: Asa Douglas Mother: Rebecca Wheeler Marriage 1: Sarah Robbins b: Eastfield, CT; 10 children. Marriage 2: ? Wynkoop b. Albany, NY. Bio: Asa moved with his wife Sara to Canaan, NY, and became a large farmer in that town. He also raised large numbers of horses for sale. He took part in the Revolutionary war and became a Major in the Continental Army. He made himself so troublesome to the British that a large reward was offered for his apprehension. When Burgoyne was marching from Canada to meet Clinton at Albany, and so cut off New England from the other provinces, it became necessary for Maj. Douglas to take to the woods. He spent weeks in the forests, never staying two nights in the same place. He lost all his property and was imprisioned a long time for debt. After the death of his first wife, he married a lady by the name of Wynkoop, from Albany, whether he then removed. After spending ten years in Albany, in mercantile pursuits, he returned to Canaan, NY, where he died. He is buried, together with his wives and other of his family, in the old cemetery in that town. All his children were born there. Bio Source: "A Collection of Family Records with Biographical Sketches Bearing the Name Douglas"; Charles Henry James Douglas, Providence, 1879. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Why? I realize that you may mean well but I need to know why you would suggest contacting that clan. Please give me a reasonable explanation as to why they would have a clue. The Oregon clan has actually missed the boat since the only possible way that even they would allow this to float was if and this is really iffy Hopestll was not born in 1741. It would have been impossible for Hopestill King to birth 10 children and be 60 years old to have the last of them. So I could bet the answer would be, "they don't", as far as I have researched that line of the oldest son born to Amos and Hopestill (AKA Haskins) King. If you know something that they don't please tell us all. For the fact that Amos spent the remainder of his live from shortly before 1790 (land records of Columbia County filed in Hudson) to his death in June 1839. His birth has been established as New Salem, Hampshire County, Massachusetts and he was a Revolutionary War Veteran of several campaigns. The original question was Amos was married twice with 15 children born to both women. The wife of Horace King born 1811, Mrs. Desire Jane Burton reminisces from Johnson County, Nebraska after the death of her husband in September 1885 on Todd Creek. which leads us to the fact that the first wife and mother Hopestill may have been deceased by 1798 when her name as Hopestill King was listed in the probate or the will of her father in Norfolk County, Massachusetts. It is quite clear that oldest son Nahum departed Columbia County at least by 1807 when he married 15 year old Sarepta Norton daughter of James Alexander and Dulianna (Howe) Norton born 1791 in Geneses County, New York (partitioned to Cattaraugus County 1810) In Albany, Albany County, New York. Nahum then took his young bride west of the Geneses River for a short time and the purpose is unknown. He then turns back to Rutland County, Vermont. The location of his brides maternal grandparents John and Chloe (Rowlson) Howe. This is where the first 2 daughters of his 16 children were born before he arrives on the Little Darby Creek, Phelps Township, Madison County, Ohio where there is the birth of third daughter Hannah in the spring of 1811. I wanted to know more about the second marriage to Miss Bassett and the names of her 9 children. For what it is worth Hopestill being older born 1741 could not have been the mother of those King children as she would have been 60 years old with the last of even 10 children she was supposed to have birthed. My own research proves that 6 known children born quickly to Amos and Hope were Nahum July 1783, William O. 1785, Amos Jr. 1787, Lovisa 1789, Lydia 1791, Isaac 1783 thus making the marriage just short of 10 years. Hopestill because of distance may not have informed her father of her death and or the will just was not changed. The grave has not been found to date (19 October 2009). The grave of Amos has not been found as well nor has that of the second Mrs. King. Daniel 3rd (Paternal Grandmother) Great Grandson of Nahum King who settled King's Valley Benton County (then Polk County) by leading his 9 surviving children up the Luckiamute River from the Willamette Valley on 17 April 1846. ----- Original Message ----- From: <mottob@comcast.net> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] NYCOLUMB Digest, Vol 4, Issue 54 > Try Kings Valley, Benton Co., OR

Listed under John Follen. Elsie (Scharpf) Saar Quilting: http://community.webshots.com/user/saarlc Genealogy research American: Parks, Avann, Bulson, Soden, Menkens German: Wienecke, Storz, Scharpf, Saar, Stelzer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy McLean" <wwmclean@comcast.net> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. 1860 to 1870 >I can't find the Fallons in the 1860 federal census. > > > On 10/19/09 3:51 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> wrote: > >> Hi Wendy, >> >> There probably aren't any Lally's around Canaan since John and >> Bridget >> (Lally) Fallon were already married when they arrived in Canaan. >> They lived >> for a while in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia area, possibly) and were >> either >> married there or possibly before they left Ireland. They appear in >> Canaan >> in the 1860 census (the copy I included in my previous email) and >> the state >> census of 1865, but in the 1870 census the family was in >> Pittsfield, MA and >> John was gone. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:47 PM >> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >> 1860 to >> 1870 >> >> Bill - >> >> I don't see any "Lally" surnames in the federal census either. I >> am pretty >> familiar with the Canaan surnames of that time period, and I have >> to say >> that I don't even vaguely recall any Lally's. There were Fallons >> in nearby >> West Stockbridge, MA. >> >> Canaan never had a Catholic Church. Not a lot of Irish surnames. >> >> I'm still puzzled as to what census records you are looking at. I >> don't see >> any Fallons in the Federal census for 1870. I would love to help, >> but I >> need some clarification. >> >> >> On 10/18/09 4:30 PM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >> wrote: >> >>> One other thing - his wife's maiden name was Lally. Has anyone >>> run across >>> this name in the Canaan area? They were married in Ireland, but >>> some of >> her >>> relatives could have come over with them. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Wendy McLean >>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:29 PM >>> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Fallon / Follen / Folland - in Canaan c. >>> 1860 to >>> 1870 >>> >>> I don't see them in the 1860 Federal census. Was that the state >>> census? >> I >>> like to look at the names of families nearby because I can often >>> tell >> where >>> in Canaan they were living, which sometimes provides hints. >>> >>> Divorce was very rare in that time period. >>> >>> Did you check to see if he served in the Civil War? >>> >>> >>> On 10/18/09 11:59 AM, "William Coley" <nymets42@optonline.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am looking for any information on a family named Fallon (also >>>> spelled >>>> Follen and Folland) that lived in Canaan, Columbia County in the >>> mid-1800s. >>>> John Fallon was born in Ireland c. 1826 and was in Canaan in the >>>> 1860 and >>>> 1865 censuses with his family (below). In 1870, his wife Bridget >>> remarried >>>> in Pittsfield, MA and I suspect that John and Bridget were >>>> divorced, >> since >>>> she was married by a Justice of the Peace and also, a John Fallon >>>> shows >> up >>>> in the 1900 census with the same "fact pattern" in Boston. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The family (in the 1860 census) was: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Fallon, age 34, born in Ireland >>>> >>>> Bridget Fallon, age 33, born in Ireland >>>> >>>> Matthew Fallon, age 6, born in Ireland >>>> >>>> Mary Fallon, age 3, born in Ireland >>>> >>>> Catherine Fallon, age 1, born in New York >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill C. - Orange, CT >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >