Richard, I have no information on Jan Jurrianse Becker and his family in Albany or elsewhere. You'll find the Antonius/Tunis Becker I'm referring to on p.40 of Jones' PFNY 1710. He had 3 documented children with Anna Eva Dick, all sponsored by Herders: Wilhelm - 16 Apr 1745 Germ. RC sp. Wilhelm Herder [bt 1721 Goderoth, Germany son of Joh. Philip Harter] and [wife] Maria [Margaretha Linck] Herderin. Wilhelm md. Christina Jager and had 8 ch. bt. at Manorton and Linlithgo, inc. sons Wilhelm 1778 and Henrich 1781, as well as an unnamed ch. in 1775, but none are really old enough to be the father of Margaret in 1792, unless it’s the 1775 "son" and she was born 1795. Christina - 26 Dec 1746 Germ. RC sp. Nicolaus Dick and Christina [Herder, bt. 1718 Goderoth, dau. of Joh. Philip]. Joh. Henrich -17 Apr. 1755 Linlithgo RC sp. Hendrick Bernhard and Anna Maria Herder [bt. 1723 Goderoth dau. of Joh. Philip]. Henrich]. Henrich had at least 2 children with Anna Maria Herder, bt. 1756 Germantown RC dau. of Joh Peter Herder & Anna Maria Schaffer: Anna (illegitimate) 1777 Germ. RC, Petrus 1778 Manorton. I’m pretty sure Tunis who md. Catherine Best fits in this group. (I said Elizabeth last post). They were md 1797 Clav. and had Gritje 1797 Clav, Christina 1799 Linl, Another Tunis md. Maria/Polly Gardner and had Getty Jane 1822 Germ., David Rd. 1820 Churchtn, Yet another Tunis md. Catherine and had Mary 1806 at Manorton. Of course there are many other Beckers from the Albany and Palatine families around; I can’t figure them all out. Jim

Hi Jim, Geertje Jelles Fonda married Tunis Cornelise Slingerland on 9 Apr 1684 in Albany DRC. He might be the Tunis that the other persons who were named Tunis was named for. Do you have a date of death for Jan Jurrianse Becker? Geertje Jelles Fonda marriage date was before Jan Jurrianse Becker's will was dated. I have all of Hank Jones' Palatine books. I will check them and see what I can find. Richard

Hi guys, Jim, I noticed when I posted the 1839 marriage that I didn't have a citation and haven't found it. I believe it was a Hudson newspaper item from Kelly's collection. The cemetery and census data seem conclusive that Margaret Becker was John's second wife, and the Ten Broeck Bible record I noted had John Harder's info, which confirms it's the same Margaret, but there's no marriage date there. The Lovina Becker clue has the same names in the same decade in the same area, as John and Gertrude were apparently in Hillsdale at some point. I tracked down that Peter Becker; he's an older guy born 1759 son of Johannes Becker (s/o Laurens) & Cat. Burger, who md Maria Southard dau. of Benj. Southard & Maria Ostrom in 1781, with lots of children and no room for Gertrude, but possibly Margaret could fit if there was supporting evidence. All his early records from Rhinebeck RC. He's a descendant of the early Jan Jurrianse Becker of New Amsterdam. Richard, I’m anxious to figure out these Beckers as well, but I don’t know if they are going to fit into your Becker group. It’s my feeling based on the early relationship between the families of Johann Philip Harter and Antonius Becker of Germantown – and the name Tunis that shows up later, that these women are from the Palatine Becker family there, descendents of Peter Becker of Niederbieber & wife Anna Elis. Haas. Unfortunately, records of this group seem incomplete, like who is the Tunis who married Elisabeth Best? I wouldn’t be surprised if he is the father of Gertrude. Margaret could be an aunt, a cousin or not related at all! Jim H.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: loisebranch Surnames: Gale, Carpenter, Curtis, Hanchett, Lyon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4903/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, First let me say I have never found such a helpful board. I owe a debt of gratitude to many on this list who have helped me. I am looking for information on Samuel Thompson Curtis, born 1809, son of Zaccheus Hanchett and Lucinda (Thompson) Curtis. Samuel had a sister Lucinda Curtis, born 1814, who married Anson S. Carpenter. Samuel married Armenia Gale, born March 1816, on Gale Hill, Columbia Co. NY, daughter of Nehemaiah and Susannah (Lyon) Gale. Samuel and Armenia are both buried in the Cemetery of the Maples, East Chatham, Columbia Co. NY. I would appreciate anyone having information on Samuel, Armenia or their children to please let me know. Thank You, Lois Branch http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=loisebranch Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Folks, someone sent me a cemetery record recently. The name started with Green something for Columbia County, New York which stated the contents of a stone for Amos King Jr. died 1815 in his 37th year. I back tracked and found that if this is so then he could have been born in 1787. I have no idea if he is who I think he might be since I now know that my fourth great grandfather Amos King and Hopestill (AKA Haskins) Hoskins had only 6 children raised to maturity before her death about 1793 or a little less than 12 years into the marriage. If he (Amos Jr.) is who I hope that he is....He may have had siblings known to have been born in New Salem, Hampshire County, Massachusetts and Columbia County New York 2 in the first and 6 in the second. The parents as I stated were married in 1781 in New Salem. The children known to have been born are: Nahum King 25 July 1783, William Oliver King 1785 both in New Salem. The recorda of Massachusetts give that they left New Salem in 1785. We know that children born in Columbia County New York were Lovisa King in 1789, Lydia in 1791, and Isaac in 1793. This leaves a huge gapping hole in the line up where Amos King Jr. could easily fit. Until just days ago and finding in the History of Johnson County, Nebraska Todd Creek Disrict a historical sketch on Horace and Desire Jane King and 3 of 5 sons. Each with a prosperous farm next to one another. One of the sketches tell of the life of Desire Jane as a new widow that her father in law was Amos King and that he had 6 children by his first wife and 9 children by his second whom he married after the death of wife one (Hopestill) the second wife is only identified as Miss Bassett of New York. It has long been a thorn in our sides (descendents of Nahum King 1845 in the Oregon Territory) which figured that Hopestill was born in 1741 but that she had 10 children in both New Salem and Canaan (the farm becomes New Lebanon Springs later). However if the last one was born in 1811 how could a more than 60 year old woman be having children at that age? Go figure on that one please. The only thing that we could figure was that the birth year was incorrect; However nobody could account for a more accurate birth date for this woman. Apparently from this new information the birth year is correct and she had children continually into her 40's. We also had the will of her parents William Hoskins and Mary Cole Hoskins which in this record William gave the use of but not ownership to 3 daughters in Norfolk county, Massachusetts. Since it was the use of until their deaths who is to say that in 1798 they changed the will for distance and what if without knowing it or maybe they did needed to change the award and legacy that she would have come to use as her inheritance. Daniel Lewis Frommherz Oregon

Hi Jim, OK. They are two different women. I had the baptism records, the 1826 Kinderhook marriage, and the Union Cemetery records. The Hillsdale Old Cemetery records were new to me and I can confirm them and have revised my database. I can't find the follwing record: <John second married Margaret Becker (1792 - 1868) at Ghent 30 Nov 1839.> Is that a non-church citation that would also indicate that she was the same Margaret Becker who married earlier William Ten Broeck. I have that Ten Broeck marriage and their children in my database. I don't see Lavina Becker as a clue here, other than that she also married a Ten Broeck. <Gertrude Maria BECKER. Born on 4 Dec 1806. Died on 16 Aug 1838. Buried in Old Cemetery., Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY.> Do you have a source for the birthdate? The gravestone indicates a calculated birthdate of circa Dec. 1805. [I'm used to incorrect calculated dates from gravestones.] I'm intrigued because that matches the birthdate for the Catharine Maria Becker I mentioned in my earlier e-mail. Anybody out there have a Becker genealogy? Jim -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of James Harder Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:05 PM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Gertrude Maria BECKER and Margaret BECKER Jim B: Thanks for writing. There are quite a few records that give the names and dates for Gertrude Maria and Margaret: baptisms, marriages, Bible records from the Harder and Ten Broeck families, census (for John & Margaret), and headstones – see below. Another clue is: Lavina BECKER (bt . 6 Jan 1800 Hillsdale RC b. 14 Nov 1799, dau. of Petrus Becker & Polly Southard) married Abraham Ten Broeck, 18 Feb. 1821 at Claverack RC. Petrus may be the son of Henrich B. & Anna Maria Harder baptized 1778 at Manorton, which would bring it full circle if Margaret and Getty are related to Lavina. Henrich was son of the early Antonius (Tunis) Becker and Anna Maria was John’s aunt. John Harder & Getty are ancestors through their son Allen of Harders still living in Claverack, the same family that operated the well-known Harder’s Express trucking company for many years. Does anybody have a Becker Genealogy? Jim H. John HARDER. Born on 13 Nov 1801. Baptized at Claverack Ref. Ch. on 20 Dec 1801. Died on 26 Jan 1861. Buried in Ghent Union Cem.. Gertrude Maria BECKER. Born on 4 Dec 1806. Died on 16 Aug 1838. Buried in Old Cemetery., Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY. Margaret BECKER. Born on 7 Nov 1792 (95?). Died on 23 Sep 1868. Buried in Ghent Union Cem. (Age 54 in 1850 Census). Old Cemetery, Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY. Compiled by Minnie Cohen in June 1938: HARDER Gertrude Mabi [Maria], wife of John, Aug. 16, 1838, 32 y. 8 m. Tunis B., son of above, June 21, 1838, 1-11-14. Maria, dau. of above, Oct. 17, 1838, 7-3-11. Margaret Mariah, dau. of John and Gertrude M., Sept. 18, 1830, 3 y. 5 m. Eunice Amanda, dau. of John and Gertrude Mariah, Oct. 2, 1829, 3 m. 2 d. Baptisms at Claverack Ref. Ch. [no sponsors exc. parents]: 6182 01 Jul 1827 Margaret Maria; John Harder & Getty Maria Becker b. 19 Mar 1827 6260 29 Aug 1829 Unice Amanda; John Harder & Gertrude Becker b. 29 Jun 1829 6299 04 Sep 1830 Allen; John Harder & Getty Becker b. 25 Jul 1830 6362 09 Sep 1832 George Latin; John Harder & Getty Becker b. 05 Jul 1832 6429 2(8) Sep 1834 Maria; John Harder & Gertrude Becker b. 06 Jul 1834 6496 ? Oct 1836 Tunis Becker; John Harder & Getty Becker b. 06 Jul 1836 The Genealogy of Walter Gilbert (Lanham, Maryland): Mellenville Union Cemetery records from the Columbia County Historical Society show that Margaret Becker, wife of John Harder, was born November 7, 1792, and died September 23, 1868. The Bible of Margaret Lydia (Tenbroeck) Youngblood indicates that John Harder died January 27, 1862. The Bible gives Margaret's birthday as November 9, 1795. Other Sources for this group: Kelly, Arthur C. M., 'Family Bible Records : Harder Family Bible', from The Columbia, Vol. 7, # 2, p. 66. Biographical Sketches of The Leading Citizens of Delaware County New York, Boston Biographical Review Publishing Company, 1895 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim, The discussion of the Beckers and Ten Broecks was quite interesting to me. William Ten Broeck is a 5th or 6th cousin of mine. I have his family on my website at www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/. I did not have Cornelia Christina as one of his children. I have many Beckers on my website, but I do not have parents for either Gertrude or Margaret. I would like to tie them into the rest of the family. Richard

Jim B: Thanks for writing. There are quite a few records that give the names and dates for Gertrude Maria and Margaret: baptisms, marriages, Bible records from the Harder and Ten Broeck families, census (for John & Margaret), and headstones – see below. Another clue is: Lavina BECKER (bt . 6 Jan 1800 Hillsdale RC b. 14 Nov 1799, dau. of Petrus Becker & Polly Southard) married Abraham Ten Broeck, 18 Feb. 1821 at Claverack RC. Petrus may be the son of Henrich B. & Anna Maria Harder baptized 1778 at Manorton, which would bring it full circle if Margaret and Getty are related to Lavina. Henrich was son of the early Antonius (Tunis) Becker and Anna Maria was John’s aunt. John Harder & Getty are ancestors through their son Allen of Harders still living in Claverack, the same family that operated the well-known Harder’s Express trucking company for many years. Does anybody have a Becker Genealogy? Jim H. John HARDER. Born on 13 Nov 1801. Baptized at Claverack Ref. Ch. on 20 Dec 1801. Died on 26 Jan 1861. Buried in Ghent Union Cem.. Gertrude Maria BECKER. Born on 4 Dec 1806. Died on 16 Aug 1838. Buried in Old Cemetery., Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY. Margaret BECKER. Born on 7 Nov 1792 (95?). Died on 23 Sep 1868. Buried in Ghent Union Cem. (Age 54 in 1850 Census). Old Cemetery, Hillsdale, Columbia Co., NY. Compiled by Minnie Cohen in June 1938: HARDER Gertrude Mabi [Maria], wife of John, Aug. 16, 1838, 32 y. 8 m. Tunis B., son of above, June 21, 1838, 1-11-14. Maria, dau. of above, Oct. 17, 1838, 7-3-11. Margaret Mariah, dau. of John and Gertrude M., Sept. 18, 1830, 3 y. 5 m. Eunice Amanda, dau. of John and Gertrude Mariah, Oct. 2, 1829, 3 m. 2 d. Baptisms at Claverack Ref. Ch. [no sponsors exc. parents]: 6182 01 Jul 1827 Margaret Maria; John Harder & Getty Maria Becker b. 19 Mar 1827 6260 29 Aug 1829 Unice Amanda; John Harder & Gertrude Becker b. 29 Jun 1829 6299 04 Sep 1830 Allen; John Harder & Getty Becker b. 25 Jul 1830 6362 09 Sep 1832 George Latin; John Harder & Getty Becker b. 05 Jul 1832 6429 2(8) Sep 1834 Maria; John Harder & Gertrude Becker b. 06 Jul 1834 6496 ? Oct 1836 Tunis Becker; John Harder & Getty Becker b. 06 Jul 1836 The Genealogy of Walter Gilbert (Lanham, Maryland): Mellenville Union Cemetery records from the Columbia County Historical Society show that Margaret Becker, wife of John Harder, was born November 7, 1792, and died September 23, 1868. The Bible of Margaret Lydia (Tenbroeck) Youngblood indicates that John Harder died January 27, 1862. The Bible gives Margaret's birthday as November 9, 1795. Other Sources for this group: Kelly, Arthur C. M., 'Family Bible Records : Harder Family Bible', from The Columbia, Vol. 7, # 2, p. 66. Biographical Sketches of The Leading Citizens of Delaware County New York, Boston Biographical Review Publishing Company, 1895

Hi Jim, I had been working of the assumption that Gitty Maria and Margaret were the same woman. I've seen the Mellenville Cemetery records for John Harder and wife, but haven't seen a burial record for Gertrude Maria. Could you offer a citation for that? A thought comes to mind. I've noticed that in some baptismal records Geddy or Gitty is used for girls also named Catharine. I wonder if this Claverack baptism is the one you're looking for: 199, #4352, 1807, 1.4. Catharine Maria, born (12).4.1806, of David Becker and Maria van Benshoten. Sponsors the parents. Also note that she had a brother Thunis baptized same place: 148, #3225, 1799, 8.11. Thunis, born 7.22, of David Decker and Maria van Benshoten. Sponsors the parents. Maybe there was an earlier born older sister Margaret that I haven't seen a record for? Jim -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of James Harder Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:35 PM To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Gertrude Maria BECKER and Margaret BECKER Hello group, I hope someone familiar with Beckers can help me identify the two wives of John Harder (1801 – 1861, son of George & Eunice Squire) of Claverack, Gertrude Maria Becker and Margaret Becker. John first married Gertrude Maria Becker (1806 - 1838) at Kinderhook Ref. Ch. 11 Feb 1826. They had 6 children: Margaret Maria 1827, Eunice Amanda 1829, Allen 1830, George Latten 1832, Maria 1834, and Tunis Becker 1836. John second married Margaret Becker (1792 - 1868) at Ghent 30 Nov 1839. They had no children. Margaret was the widow of William Ten Broeck (1792-1836, s/o Samuel J. & Christyntje), married at Claverack Ref. Ch. 28 Nov 1813. They had 7 shildren: Davis Samuel 1814, Walter Van Rensselaer 1817, Peter Van Rensselaer 1817, Jacob Lawrence 1819, William Ambrose 1823, Cornelia Christina 1824, and Jeremiah 1825. The name of John & Gertrude’s son Tunis Becker is a clue and she may be a daughter of Tunis Becker & Elizabeth Best, but no record. Margaret isn’t their daughter because they married in 1797 and had another daughter Margaret/Gritje. This Harder family (not related to the 1710 Palatine group) had a close relationship with Antonius Becker & Anna Eva Dick a couple of generations earlier, but I don’t know if/how they relate to Gertrude and Margaret. Thanks for any info, Jim Harder ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gvilleflewhichen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/24.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Jim, Your genealogy gives insight into the families of the Upper Hudson Valley Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ericpickel Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/24.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Jim. Wonderful work. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello group, I hope someone familiar with Beckers can help me identify the two wives of John Harder (1801 – 1861, son of George & Eunice Squire) of Claverack, Gertrude Maria Becker and Margaret Becker. John first married Gertrude Maria Becker (1806 - 1838) at Kinderhook Ref. Ch. 11 Feb 1826. They had 6 children: Margaret Maria 1827, Eunice Amanda 1829, Allen 1830, George Latten 1832, Maria 1834, and Tunis Becker 1836. John second married Margaret Becker (1792 - 1868) at Ghent 30 Nov 1839. They had no children. Margaret was the widow of William Ten Broeck (1792-1836, s/o Samuel J. & Christyntje), married at Claverack Ref. Ch. 28 Nov 1813. They had 7 shildren: Davis Samuel 1814, Walter Van Rensselaer 1817, Peter Van Rensselaer 1817, Jacob Lawrence 1819, William Ambrose 1823, Cornelia Christina 1824, and Jeremiah 1825. The name of John & Gertrude’s son Tunis Becker is a clue and she may be a daughter of Tunis Becker & Elizabeth Best, but no record. Margaret isn’t their daughter because they married in 1797 and had another daughter Margaret/Gritje. This Harder family (not related to the 1710 Palatine group) had a close relationship with Antonius Becker & Anna Eva Dick a couple of generations earlier, but I don’t know if/how they relate to Gertrude and Margaret. Thanks for any info, Jim Harder

The Town historian belongs to the Historical Society. His phone number from the Town Web Site. Fred NEW LEBANON TOWN HISTORIAN Kevin Fuerst Phone: 518-766-5071 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Branch" <loisbranch@gmail.com> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] 1795 Deed: Canaan Township > Dorothy, >> Thank you for the information on the Historical Society for the town of >> Lebanon. I shall see if I can find an address for them. >> > Thanks again, > Lois > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi jdgrt, Does your Church family go back to Richard Church and Elizabeth Warren? When ever I do the next update on my website I will be adding a number of persons who were baptized or married in Kinderhook, Columbia County. There are some Shufelts among those families. The address is www.abgelfire.com/ga4/myhaues_family/ Richard

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jdgrt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/24.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: For those of you researching the Pickle and Church families in Columbia County, and Canada, you should visit the following URL. It is part of my Draft of the Shufelt Family History which I am nearing completion. This page contains a great deal of information regarding the Pickles and Churchs' early life in Columbia County and their movement in settlement Sweetsburg and Scottsmore Canada. http://www.theshufelts.net/shufeltgen3.htm#37 email me direct if you have any questions or if I can be of further help. I rarely respond to the message boards. Regards, Jim Groat jdgrt@comcast.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dorothy, > Thank you for the information on the Historical Society for the town of > Lebanon. I shall see if I can find an address for them. > Thanks again, Lois

Hi, I finally found the maiden name of my ggggrandmother Sally Moore. I, along with many others, have been searching for years. She was Sally Ames, born Feb 28, 1798 in New York (probably Columbia or Dutchess). Her family most likely moved to Ontario, Canada sometime after her birth because she married John Moore, son of Henry and Sarah (Cornell) Moore who migrated to Ontario c.1800. Does anyone have any knowledge of her or her family? I know nothing about the Ames surname at all. Any tips will help. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ericpickel Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/24.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm afraid I'll need an email address to send you the John Pickle Jr. 3 gen's down info. write me at ericpickel@axion.ca Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ericpickel Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/24.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I show John Jr. died in 1838, in Brome, Qc. I'm going to try to email you a file of sib's Eric :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gvilleflewhichen Surnames: Pickle/Pickle,, Knight Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/24.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Eric for your response. I have scanned your information and on the surface it seems to fit. My first response is that Alson Knight, Catherine's first child was born and lived in Brome. He married Betsey Cornell in 1851 in St-Armand-Est. Do you have a date for the death of John Pickle, Jr? I suspect that Nathaniel Knight died and is buried in the area also. Alson ran the leather mill at Adamsville before he moved to the Boston Area. I found George W Knight on the 1861 Census in East Farnham. He had married a woman from Poland, Maine and they lived there from about 1854-1867. I have not been able to prove That George W was born in Qc or Vt. I suspect the latter. I have found little about John A Knight and I have been able to document that Almira and Chris C Knight claimed to have been born in Qc. It would be interesting to have the information on Catherine's siblings. I'll try to expand this more later. I have posted what I have at the present time on Ancestry and RootsWeb Family Trees. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.