This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ctb10 Surnames: ERTS, BROOKS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/1673.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for passing along the fascinating article about J William, Bessie and the trout. I also have a photo of a trout about that big, ca. 1933. J William was single in 1920. I searched for all the Elizabeth/Bess* of the right age (b abt 1896) in Ulster and Sullivan Cos. in 1920. There was a Bessie BROOKS in Neversink, single, and a teacher. Bessie ERTS was a public school teacher in 1930, so I bet they are the same and I will look for a marriage record. I'll fill you in if I can confirm this guess. I appreciate your help! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WalterJennings18 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/1673.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Carol, I do not know her maiden name. I have her name as Elizabeth E. I believe I took it off her gravestone in Denning. I know the 1930 census says Bessie B. I also have John William Erts and William John Erts from different sources for the same man. I found this article in the New Paltz library that referenced John William Erts and thought you might like it. Sorry I can't help with the name. Walt Jennings Catskill Portraits John William Erts by Austin McK. Francis "I was born here, said the old-timer. "never lived on any foundation but this one. That'll be 90 years next May." He didn't make it; in July of 1980, two weeks after talking with this reporter, William Erts suffered a stroke and died. In his 89 years on the upper East Branch of the Neversink river, Erts made a substantial contribution to the Catskill angling tradition. He was a builder of houses, bridges, and dams; a landowner of a considerable piece of the valley and the river; an accomplished fly fisherman; caretaker of the river and property of a wealthy neighbor downstream; Supervisor of the Town of Denning; and by general consent, lifelong Mayor of the Valley. Erts' grandfather, Joseph Erts, was the first of the family to live in this country. he came over from Germany in the early 1800's and established a farm on the hill overlooking the Neversink's East Branch. Joseph Erts, Jr. moved down into the valley and acquired thousands of acres along the river. At one time, he owned the entire upper end of the valley, which eventually was split up among several families including Tison, Nevins, Straus and Schoonmaker. William Erts remembered working for his father who in 1900 oversaw the construction of "Gray Lodge" for Alexander Tison, former Ambassador to Japan. Situated on some 600 acres at the head of the valley, the lodge's oriental design and gardens were supervised by a Japanese architect. "I worked on the house 10 hours a day for $3 a day," said Erts. "It had five bathrooms, quite a lot of them, and five fireplaces." Erts was well disciplined by his father, for he became a prodigious builder in his own right. he tore his 1800's house off its foundation in 1933 and rebuild it from scratch. He built a four room cabin of striped hemlock logs for the Nevins family up stream. He remodeled most of the houses in the valley. many of the bridges across the upper East Branch are his handiwork. And, following the design of Ed Hewitt, whom he knew, Erts built a number of long-and-plank dams on the river. While Erts was still in his 20's, he began working for John D. Schoonmaker, who had a summer house just downstream. Schoonmaker owned the Island Dock Shipyard in Kingston, N.Y., which employed about 900 people making submarines during World War I. He was also well connected politically and once was asked by his judge and senator friends to run for governor. Erts kept up all of Schoonmaker's buildings and managed his fishing, which included about 2 1/2 miles of the stream. Schoonmaker owned from the Denning bridge al the way down to Ladleton. Erts recalled his trips to the Old Napanoch hatchery to bring back the trout and the raw liver which they were fed. "I can still smell that liver," he said. "We used to grind it up like sausage meat an keep it in pails to spoon out into the stream. Mrs. Erts, who, had been listening, said, "To this day you would not dare serve liver on our table. Why, William wouldn't even eat the fish!" Under Erts' care, which included chasing poachers off the stream, Schoonmaker's fishing was probably the best in the upper valley. He often brought angling friends up to enjoy it, and sometimes he would call ahead: "William, I'm having company this weekend, I want a dozen trout of about 10 inches for dinner tonight at seven." Erts figured that Schoonmaker thought he had the trout all penned up like cattle and only had to go let them out. But Erts never let him down. His neighbors used to boast that he could catch fish out of a mud puddle in the road. When Erts went fishing for himself, he preferred a Brown Hackle or a Coachman, Of the many trout he pulled out of the stream, the largest measured 23 1/2 inches and there were two of those; the first he simply hooked and landed, but the second one caused a huge commotion which involved his entire family and a Schoonmaker guest. The guest was a gentleman angler of light experience. He, Erts, Mrs. Erts and their two children had driven down to the river to go fishing. Mrs. Erts entertained the children on the bank while the two men went on downstream. It was only a short while until she heard a yell from around the bend, "Bessie, get the kids in the front seat an start the car!" They were careering up the road to the big house, the guest leaped out of the car carrying this enormous trout and raced up proudly to his hose saying, "John, he died in my arms!" Everyone was crowded around staring at the fish. Schoonmaker looked at it, then slowly at each of the adults, and finally he said, "Mrs. Erts, I don't believe Bob, I'm skeptical of William. Who caught that trout?" "I'm sorry, Mr Schoonmaker," she said, "I was up in the car with the kids. I don't know." There was a long silence, then a rosy glow spread over the gathering as everyone started praising the trout and congratulating the happy angler. William Erts was not what you would call a colorful character about whom legends typically spring up, although he deserves that kind of remembrance. It was his constancy of dedicated service, his steadfast love of the valley and its people, and the high standards he upheld for more than 70 years that made him such a special contributor to the golden era of the Catskill tradition. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ctb10 Surnames: ERTS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/1673.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Walt, I have an old photo that my husband's grandmother Esther George George (1897-2001) said was Bessie Erts. They were neighbors in Denning early last century. I think Bessie was the wife of J William Erts. They are in the 1930 census. Would you happen to know what Bessie's maiden name was? Thank you, Carol B. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nancy_drew1973 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/643.1303.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am interested in finding out if the Simmons from claverack, NY (poss Henry simmons b. 1752) is connected to my line of Simmons in Norfolk Ontario. The furthest line I can muster up is a set of brothers David and John (born abt 1797 & 1795). They both state that they were born in the US in the 1851 census. There may be a George running through the line somewhere too, but not positive. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nancy_drew1973 Surnames: Simmons Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/2238.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Curious to find out if these Simmons connect to the Norfolk, Ontario Simmons. Do you have any connection there? My farthest back so far is David b. abt 1797 and John b. abt 1975. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dotrohm_1 Surnames: everts Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4906/mb.ashx Message Board Post: i,m looking for john f everts 1724 -1777 born germy. son adam e everts married dorothea dockstader 1795-1885 then son adam e 1750-1820 married barbra erb 1753-1820 then adm c 1776-1859 married catherine fonner. i,m stuck on john f everts my grandfather way back. i have lots on my grandmother til 1055 and other grandparents edwards til 870 and on in welsh i hahve some on homer bivens died 1987 and roy phenicie need more on bivens / phenicie and john f everts. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

As I have already responded privately, the cemetery books at the Columbia County Historical Society contain many Kings, including Amos. An index for most of the books is online, Rickards Index An index for the remaining books is currently in process of being put online but a hard copy is now available at the Historical Society. There are Fred In case the above hyperlink for the Ricksrds Index does not show: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clifflamere/Cem/Col/CEM-ColMaster.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (3)" <mckenzie_market@mckenzievalleymarket.com> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com>; <nini_andr@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of New Lebanon > Isn't this amazing, that Amos King was married 2 times with 15 children from > both marriages 6 and 9. However we cannot find the grave or cemetery that > they are buried in as of 4 November 2009. I put the date in here so that > anyone in the future who searches the archives might contact the King Family > in Oregon. The first marriage was to Hopestill Haskins daughter of William > and Mary (Cole) Hoskins Jr. IV. We know from letters that this woman had > accompanied her husband from New Salem, Hampshire County, Massachusetts in > the year 1785 with 2 sons. The second found more recently in the sketch of > the youngest son Horace and Desire Jane (Butler) King then found on Todd > Creek in Johnson County, Nebraska. His mother (as identified by his widow) > was only identified as Miss Bassett of New York. The sketch did not > identify her birth county or location but did indicate that she was born in > New York and it seems that her marriage lasted longer than that of the first > spouse to Amos King. > > So the question might lay with the land records of deeds and property in > Hudson, Columbia County, New York or as a last ditch attempt maybe the first > wife was carted back to the Hoskins Cemetery in Massachusetts either New > Salem in Hampshire County (Franklin succeeded this town in December 1811 > where Hopestill was originally located or to Norfolk County where William > Hoskins and his family may have migrated based on land records and the > probate of his will in 1798. > > Daniel Lewis Frommherz > Eugene, Oregon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cornelia Andrus" <nini_andr@yahoo.com> > To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Info on Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of > NewLebanon > > >> >From the NYCOLUMB archives: >> >> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:45:19 -0400 >> From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> >> To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <000301c57b83$0ab95ee0$b39e3c18@Susie> >> Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> format=flowed; >> charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >> Hi Daniel, >> >> Gerda E. Devine published a book 1973 called "Old Tombstones & Unusual >> Cemeteries in Columbia County, New York" Volume One Part One which has the >> Green River cemetery transcriptions. On page 83: >> >> To the Memory of >> Lieut AMOS KING, Junr. >> Who died of the Prevailing >> epidomic April 6th >> 1815 in the 38th year of his age >> >> The only other King in the book is on page 91 buried in the Austerlitz >> Rural Community Cemetery: >> >> PETER KING >> died Feb. 5, 1863 ae 67 yrs >> Regards, >> Susan >> Columbia County, NY Coordinator >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ >> >> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:53:29 -0400 >> From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> >> To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <000a01c57b84$2f180510$b39e3c18@Susie> >> Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River >> >> Hi Daniel, >> >> SAMPUBCO has a will for Amos King in New Lebanon. You can see all the >> wills for Columbia county King's here: >> http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/nycolumbia04.htm >> >> There are other Kings also from New Lebanon. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (3) >> <mckenzie_market@mckenzievalleymarket.com> >> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com; orbenton@rootsweb.com; >> kinge-salem-ma@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:47:08 PM >> Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Info on Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of New >> Lebanon >> >> Folks, I am still trying to find information on the second wife of Amos >> King >> of New Lebanon, Columbia County, New York. I recently posted what I had >> found in the first few hours after a discovery that there was a second >> wife. >> I will re-post this information later containing some updates for clarity. >> The only reply I received from this list was to try Benton County, Oregon >> where the oldest son of this line (Son of Amos and first wife Hopestill >> (AKA >> Haskins - father's surname Hoskins) King). I am of this line and we >> didn't >> know although it has been a head scratcher on how Hopestill born in 1741 >> could have children as late as 1811 basically birthing children in her >> 60th >> year if all 10 children were actually born to her and/or her birthyear is >> incorrect in the first place. The Oregon family of whom I contacted >> immediately and before this suggestion was raised did not know and >> were/are >> interested in this new find. So interested in fact that two of the family >> have designated a new title for MWAH - Ancient King Historian to which I >> would rather see this go to someone more deserving of the title (This >> title >> still costs or gets with $5.00 a Latte at Starbucks) who have been working >> tirelessly for this family. >> >> The following is what was now known on 19 October 2009. >> >> Folks over the last 48 hours (as of 19 October) or so we have discovered >> that our 4th great >> grandfather was married 2 times. The first was in 1781 in New Salem, >> Hampshire County (New Salem is in Franklin County when it was created in >> December 1811 our King's left this area in 1785) Massachusetts. We >> understand that the marriage was to Hopestill (AKA Haskins) Hoskins >> daughter >> of William and Mary (Cole) Hoskins IV. Two children were born to this >> union >> first child and son was Nahum on 25 July 1783 and William O. (Probably >> Oliver as two of his line took and used this as a middle name). He was >> born >> in 1785. The family then moved west for the free land due the >> Revolutionary >> War Veterans. After a bit of wandering Amos brought his family to Canaan, >> Columbia County, NY by the 1790 census. He took land in the Lebanon >> Springs >> Valley near the town of future town of New Lebanon. Our information on >> this >> family is that Hopestill (Haskins) King was living in 1798 or at least >> named >> when her father named his daughter as to receive legacy from his estate in >> Norfolk County, Massachusetts. This was not a gift but the use of the farm >> during her lifetime is she were to use it. I now understand the meaning >> and >> it appears that the will was not changed after her probably death about >> 1793 >> (Six children born). The following excerpt revealed that Mrs. King died >> after what was called a very short marriage (I am guessing 12 years is >> short >> was the meaning of this statement. >> >> The new information that I have discovered came from: "The History of >> Johnson County, Nebraska we learned recently that Hopestill birthed 6 >> children and died shortly (the time frame is basically another scratch >> your >> header what was short back then the marriage was shorter than that of the >> second wife?). Amos then married second to a Miss Bassett in or near >> Canaan >> who presented the family with 9 more children and subsequently raised 7 of >> them to maturity. I know of only the youngest two known children are >> Luther >> Hiram (1806, and Horace born September 1811. >> >> This post is about trying to find any information available on the Bassett >> Family with whom Amos married as his second wife. The sketch of the widow >> of Horace King (Desire Jane) revealed that Miss Bassett was of New York. >> At >> this time we first didn't know of the second marriage and still do not >> know >> when Hopestill King died or where Amos, Hope, and Mrs. ______ (Bassett) >> King are buried. Amos died in New Lebanon, Columbia County in June 1839 >> with only Luther Hiram of the children having remained there. Luther >> served >> as the executor of his father's estate and it appears that he left >> Columbia >> County shortly after all of the estate was settled. Luther Hiram and his >> wife Emeline Campbell had kept their family bible which recently came into >> my possession. >> >> Paternal (Grandmother's line) 4th great Grandson of Amos and Hopestill >> (Haskins) King. >> Lucy Adelia King Frommherz (3) (Abraham Lincoln King (4), Solomon King >> (5), >> Nahum King (6), Amos King (5), William King Sr. IV (4), Jonathan King Sr. >> I >> (3), John (AKA King) Kinge Sr. I, William Kinge Sr.I (1) >> >> Daniel Lewis Frommherz >> Thanks >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The question is who were Amos King Jr's parents would anyone know? The record gives that he died in his 38th year and was probably a veteran of the War of 1812. His birth then backed up would indicate that he was born in 1787. We know from our history handed down through the DAR that in our known line both the oldest sons of Amos and Hopestill (Haskins/Hoskins) King were Nahum born July 1783 and his next brother William Oliver born 1785 (both in New Salem, Hampshire County, Massachusetts) were veterans of this same war in Ohio. They were followed by Lovisa in 1789 and Lydia in 1791 with Hopestill or Isaac born in 1793. Until recently it was thought that Hopestill Haskins King was the mother of 10 children but that would have made her ancient in the respect of children born in her 60th year. This would mean that we have to go back to the drawing board and figure out who the first 6 children were by name and age. Daniel Lewis Frommherz Eugene, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cornelia Andrus" <nini_andr@yahoo.com> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Info on Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of NewLebanon > >From the NYCOLUMB archives: > > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:45:19 -0400 > From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> > To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000301c57b83$0ab95ee0$b39e3c18@Susie> > Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Daniel, > > Gerda E. Devine published a book 1973 called "Old Tombstones & Unusual > Cemeteries in Columbia County, New York" Volume One Part One which has the > Green River cemetery transcriptions. On page 83: > > To the Memory of > Lieut AMOS KING, Junr. > Who died of the Prevailing > epidomic April 6th > 1815 in the 38th year of his age > > The only other King in the book is on page 91 buried in the Austerlitz > Rural Community Cemetery: > > PETER KING > died Feb. 5, 1863 ae 67 yrs > Regards, > Susan > Columbia County, NY Coordinator > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ > > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:53:29 -0400 > From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> > To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000a01c57b84$2f180510$b39e3c18@Susie> > Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River > > Hi Daniel, > > SAMPUBCO has a will for Amos King in New Lebanon. You can see all the > wills for Columbia county King's here: > http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/nycolumbia04.htm > > There are other Kings also from New Lebanon. > > Susan > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (3) > <mckenzie_market@mckenzievalleymarket.com> > To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com; orbenton@rootsweb.com; > kinge-salem-ma@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:47:08 PM > Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Info on Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of New > Lebanon > > Folks, I am still trying to find information on the second wife of Amos > King > of New Lebanon, Columbia County, New York. I recently posted what I had > found in the first few hours after a discovery that there was a second > wife. > I will re-post this information later containing some updates for clarity. > The only reply I received from this list was to try Benton County, Oregon > where the oldest son of this line (Son of Amos and first wife Hopestill > (AKA > Haskins - father's surname Hoskins) King). I am of this line and we > didn't > know although it has been a head scratcher on how Hopestill born in 1741 > could have children as late as 1811 basically birthing children in her > 60th > year if all 10 children were actually born to her and/or her birthyear is > incorrect in the first place. The Oregon family of whom I contacted > immediately and before this suggestion was raised did not know and > were/are > interested in this new find. So interested in fact that two of the family > have designated a new title for MWAH - Ancient King Historian to which I > would rather see this go to someone more deserving of the title (This > title > still costs or gets with $5.00 a Latte at Starbucks) who have been working > tirelessly for this family. > > The following is what was now known on 19 October 2009. > > Folks over the last 48 hours (as of 19 October) or so we have discovered > that our 4th great > grandfather was married 2 times. The first was in 1781 in New Salem, > Hampshire County (New Salem is in Franklin County when it was created in > December 1811 our King's left this area in 1785) Massachusetts. We > understand that the marriage was to Hopestill (AKA Haskins) Hoskins > daughter > of William and Mary (Cole) Hoskins IV. Two children were born to this > union > first child and son was Nahum on 25 July 1783 and William O. (Probably > Oliver as two of his line took and used this as a middle name). He was > born > in 1785. The family then moved west for the free land due the > Revolutionary > War Veterans. After a bit of wandering Amos brought his family to Canaan, > Columbia County, NY by the 1790 census. He took land in the Lebanon > Springs > Valley near the town of future town of New Lebanon. Our information on > this > family is that Hopestill (Haskins) King was living in 1798 or at least > named > when her father named his daughter as to receive legacy from his estate in > Norfolk County, Massachusetts. This was not a gift but the use of the farm > during her lifetime is she were to use it. I now understand the meaning > and > it appears that the will was not changed after her probably death about > 1793 > (Six children born). The following excerpt revealed that Mrs. King died > after what was called a very short marriage (I am guessing 12 years is > short > was the meaning of this statement. > > The new information that I have discovered came from: "The History of > Johnson County, Nebraska we learned recently that Hopestill birthed 6 > children and died shortly (the time frame is basically another scratch > your > header what was short back then the marriage was shorter than that of the > second wife?). Amos then married second to a Miss Bassett in or near > Canaan > who presented the family with 9 more children and subsequently raised 7 of > them to maturity. I know of only the youngest two known children are > Luther > Hiram (1806, and Horace born September 1811. > > This post is about trying to find any information available on the Bassett > Family with whom Amos married as his second wife. The sketch of the widow > of Horace King (Desire Jane) revealed that Miss Bassett was of New York. > At > this time we first didn't know of the second marriage and still do not > know > when Hopestill King died or where Amos, Hope, and Mrs. ______ (Bassett) > King are buried. Amos died in New Lebanon, Columbia County in June 1839 > with only Luther Hiram of the children having remained there. Luther > served > as the executor of his father's estate and it appears that he left > Columbia > County shortly after all of the estate was settled. Luther Hiram and his > wife Emeline Campbell had kept their family bible which recently came into > my possession. > > Paternal (Grandmother's line) 4th great Grandson of Amos and Hopestill > (Haskins) King. > Lucy Adelia King Frommherz (3) (Abraham Lincoln King (4), Solomon King > (5), > Nahum King (6), Amos King (5), William King Sr. IV (4), Jonathan King Sr. > I > (3), John (AKA King) Kinge Sr. I, William Kinge Sr.I (1) > > Daniel Lewis Frommherz > Thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Isn't this amazing, that Amos King was married 2 times with 15 children from both marriages 6 and 9. However we cannot find the grave or cemetery that they are buried in as of 4 November 2009. I put the date in here so that anyone in the future who searches the archives might contact the King Family in Oregon. The first marriage was to Hopestill Haskins daughter of William and Mary (Cole) Hoskins Jr. IV. We know from letters that this woman had accompanied her husband from New Salem, Hampshire County, Massachusetts in the year 1785 with 2 sons. The second found more recently in the sketch of the youngest son Horace and Desire Jane (Butler) King then found on Todd Creek in Johnson County, Nebraska. His mother (as identified by his widow) was only identified as Miss Bassett of New York. The sketch did not identify her birth county or location but did indicate that she was born in New York and it seems that her marriage lasted longer than that of the first spouse to Amos King. So the question might lay with the land records of deeds and property in Hudson, Columbia County, New York or as a last ditch attempt maybe the first wife was carted back to the Hoskins Cemetery in Massachusetts either New Salem in Hampshire County (Franklin succeeded this town in December 1811 where Hopestill was originally located or to Norfolk County where William Hoskins and his family may have migrated based on land records and the probate of his will in 1798. Daniel Lewis Frommherz Eugene, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cornelia Andrus" <nini_andr@yahoo.com> To: <nycolumb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Info on Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of NewLebanon > >From the NYCOLUMB archives: > > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:45:19 -0400 > From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> > To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000301c57b83$0ab95ee0$b39e3c18@Susie> > Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Daniel, > > Gerda E. Devine published a book 1973 called "Old Tombstones & Unusual > Cemeteries in Columbia County, New York" Volume One Part One which has the > Green River cemetery transcriptions. On page 83: > > To the Memory of > Lieut AMOS KING, Junr. > Who died of the Prevailing > epidomic April 6th > 1815 in the 38th year of his age > > The only other King in the book is on page 91 buried in the Austerlitz > Rural Community Cemetery: > > PETER KING > died Feb. 5, 1863 ae 67 yrs > Regards, > Susan > Columbia County, NY Coordinator > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ > > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:53:29 -0400 > From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> > To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000a01c57b84$2f180510$b39e3c18@Susie> > Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River > > Hi Daniel, > > SAMPUBCO has a will for Amos King in New Lebanon. You can see all the > wills for Columbia county King's here: > http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/nycolumbia04.htm > > There are other Kings also from New Lebanon. > > Susan > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (3) > <mckenzie_market@mckenzievalleymarket.com> > To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com; orbenton@rootsweb.com; > kinge-salem-ma@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:47:08 PM > Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Info on Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of New > Lebanon > > Folks, I am still trying to find information on the second wife of Amos > King > of New Lebanon, Columbia County, New York. I recently posted what I had > found in the first few hours after a discovery that there was a second > wife. > I will re-post this information later containing some updates for clarity. > The only reply I received from this list was to try Benton County, Oregon > where the oldest son of this line (Son of Amos and first wife Hopestill > (AKA > Haskins - father's surname Hoskins) King). I am of this line and we > didn't > know although it has been a head scratcher on how Hopestill born in 1741 > could have children as late as 1811 basically birthing children in her > 60th > year if all 10 children were actually born to her and/or her birthyear is > incorrect in the first place. The Oregon family of whom I contacted > immediately and before this suggestion was raised did not know and > were/are > interested in this new find. So interested in fact that two of the family > have designated a new title for MWAH - Ancient King Historian to which I > would rather see this go to someone more deserving of the title (This > title > still costs or gets with $5.00 a Latte at Starbucks) who have been working > tirelessly for this family. > > The following is what was now known on 19 October 2009. > > Folks over the last 48 hours (as of 19 October) or so we have discovered > that our 4th great > grandfather was married 2 times. The first was in 1781 in New Salem, > Hampshire County (New Salem is in Franklin County when it was created in > December 1811 our King's left this area in 1785) Massachusetts. We > understand that the marriage was to Hopestill (AKA Haskins) Hoskins > daughter > of William and Mary (Cole) Hoskins IV. Two children were born to this > union > first child and son was Nahum on 25 July 1783 and William O. (Probably > Oliver as two of his line took and used this as a middle name). He was > born > in 1785. The family then moved west for the free land due the > Revolutionary > War Veterans. After a bit of wandering Amos brought his family to Canaan, > Columbia County, NY by the 1790 census. He took land in the Lebanon > Springs > Valley near the town of future town of New Lebanon. Our information on > this > family is that Hopestill (Haskins) King was living in 1798 or at least > named > when her father named his daughter as to receive legacy from his estate in > Norfolk County, Massachusetts. This was not a gift but the use of the farm > during her lifetime is she were to use it. I now understand the meaning > and > it appears that the will was not changed after her probably death about > 1793 > (Six children born). The following excerpt revealed that Mrs. King died > after what was called a very short marriage (I am guessing 12 years is > short > was the meaning of this statement. > > The new information that I have discovered came from: "The History of > Johnson County, Nebraska we learned recently that Hopestill birthed 6 > children and died shortly (the time frame is basically another scratch > your > header what was short back then the marriage was shorter than that of the > second wife?). Amos then married second to a Miss Bassett in or near > Canaan > who presented the family with 9 more children and subsequently raised 7 of > them to maturity. I know of only the youngest two known children are > Luther > Hiram (1806, and Horace born September 1811. > > This post is about trying to find any information available on the Bassett > Family with whom Amos married as his second wife. The sketch of the widow > of Horace King (Desire Jane) revealed that Miss Bassett was of New York. > At > this time we first didn't know of the second marriage and still do not > know > when Hopestill King died or where Amos, Hope, and Mrs. ______ (Bassett) > King are buried. Amos died in New Lebanon, Columbia County in June 1839 > with only Luther Hiram of the children having remained there. Luther > served > as the executor of his father's estate and it appears that he left > Columbia > County shortly after all of the estate was settled. Luther Hiram and his > wife Emeline Campbell had kept their family bible which recently came into > my possession. > > Paternal (Grandmother's line) 4th great Grandson of Amos and Hopestill > (Haskins) King. > Lucy Adelia King Frommherz (3) (Abraham Lincoln King (4), Solomon King > (5), > Nahum King (6), Amos King (5), William King Sr. IV (4), Jonathan King Sr. > I > (3), John (AKA King) Kinge Sr. I, William Kinge Sr.I (1) > > Daniel Lewis Frommherz > Thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SMULVEY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4783.2.7.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Page 42, No. 1423 30 July 1873; Wm. A. Fick of Copake married Alla M. Conklin in St. Thomas' Lutheran Church. [Source: Marriage Record of 4 Lutheran Congregations of Southern Columbia County, N.Y., transcribed by Arthur C.M.Kelly, Kinship, Rhinebeck, New York, 1974] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>From the NYCOLUMB archives: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:45:19 -0400 From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000301c57b83$0ab95ee0$b39e3c18@Susie> Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniel, Gerda E. Devine published a book 1973 called "Old Tombstones & Unusual Cemeteries in Columbia County, New York" Volume One Part One which has the Green River cemetery transcriptions. On page 83: To the Memory of Lieut AMOS KING, Junr. Who died of the Prevailing epidomic April 6th 1815 in the 38th year of his age The only other King in the book is on page 91 buried in the Austerlitz Rural Community Cemetery: PETER KING died Feb. 5, 1863 ae 67 yrs Regards, Susan Columbia County, NY Coordinator http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:53:29 -0400 From: "smulvey" <smulvey@comcast.net> To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000a01c57b84$2f180510$b39e3c18@Susie> Subject: Re: [NYCOL] Amos King at Green River Hi Daniel, SAMPUBCO has a will for Amos King in New Lebanon. You can see all the wills for Columbia county King's here: http://www.sampubco.com/wills/ny/nycolumbia04.htm There are other Kings also from New Lebanon. Susan ________________________________ From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (3) <mckenzie_market@mckenzievalleymarket.com> To: nycolumb@rootsweb.com; orbenton@rootsweb.com; kinge-salem-ma@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:47:08 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Info on Miss Bassett second wife of Amos King of New Lebanon Folks, I am still trying to find information on the second wife of Amos King of New Lebanon, Columbia County, New York. I recently posted what I had found in the first few hours after a discovery that there was a second wife. I will re-post this information later containing some updates for clarity. The only reply I received from this list was to try Benton County, Oregon where the oldest son of this line (Son of Amos and first wife Hopestill (AKA Haskins - father's surname Hoskins) King). I am of this line and we didn't know although it has been a head scratcher on how Hopestill born in 1741 could have children as late as 1811 basically birthing children in her 60th year if all 10 children were actually born to her and/or her birthyear is incorrect in the first place. The Oregon family of whom I contacted immediately and before this suggestion was raised did not know and were/are interested in this new find. So interested in fact that two of the family have designated a new title for MWAH - Ancient King Historian to which I would rather see this go to someone more deserving of the title (This title still costs or gets with $5.00 a Latte at Starbucks) who have been working tirelessly for this family. The following is what was now known on 19 October 2009. Folks over the last 48 hours (as of 19 October) or so we have discovered that our 4th great grandfather was married 2 times. The first was in 1781 in New Salem, Hampshire County (New Salem is in Franklin County when it was created in December 1811 our King's left this area in 1785) Massachusetts. We understand that the marriage was to Hopestill (AKA Haskins) Hoskins daughter of William and Mary (Cole) Hoskins IV. Two children were born to this union first child and son was Nahum on 25 July 1783 and William O. (Probably Oliver as two of his line took and used this as a middle name). He was born in 1785. The family then moved west for the free land due the Revolutionary War Veterans. After a bit of wandering Amos brought his family to Canaan, Columbia County, NY by the 1790 census. He took land in the Lebanon Springs Valley near the town of future town of New Lebanon. Our information on this family is that Hopestill (Haskins) King was living in 1798 or at least named when her father named his daughter as to receive legacy from his estate in Norfolk County, Massachusetts. This was not a gift but the use of the farm during her lifetime is she were to use it. I now understand the meaning and it appears that the will was not changed after her probably death about 1793 (Six children born). The following excerpt revealed that Mrs. King died after what was called a very short marriage (I am guessing 12 years is short was the meaning of this statement. The new information that I have discovered came from: "The History of Johnson County, Nebraska we learned recently that Hopestill birthed 6 children and died shortly (the time frame is basically another scratch your header what was short back then the marriage was shorter than that of the second wife?). Amos then married second to a Miss Bassett in or near Canaan who presented the family with 9 more children and subsequently raised 7 of them to maturity. I know of only the youngest two known children are Luther Hiram (1806, and Horace born September 1811. This post is about trying to find any information available on the Bassett Family with whom Amos married as his second wife. The sketch of the widow of Horace King (Desire Jane) revealed that Miss Bassett was of New York. At this time we first didn't know of the second marriage and still do not know when Hopestill King died or where Amos, Hope, and Mrs. ______ (Bassett) King are buried. Amos died in New Lebanon, Columbia County in June 1839 with only Luther Hiram of the children having remained there. Luther served as the executor of his father's estate and it appears that he left Columbia County shortly after all of the estate was settled. Luther Hiram and his wife Emeline Campbell had kept their family bible which recently came into my possession. Paternal (Grandmother's line) 4th great Grandson of Amos and Hopestill (Haskins) King. Lucy Adelia King Frommherz (3) (Abraham Lincoln King (4), Solomon King (5), Nahum King (6), Amos King (5), William King Sr. IV (4), Jonathan King Sr. I (3), John (AKA King) Kinge Sr. I, William Kinge Sr.I (1) Daniel Lewis Frommherz Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dorothypaxton46 Surnames: Fick, Conklin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4783.2.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have Wm Fick (d.1881) and his wife Alta Conklin (d.1913) buried at St Thomas. Can you find the date their marriage took place there? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Folks, I am still trying to find information on the second wife of Amos King of New Lebanon, Columbia County, New York. I recently posted what I had found in the first few hours after a discovery that there was a second wife. I will re-post this information later containing some updates for clarity. The only reply I received from this list was to try Benton County, Oregon where the oldest son of this line (Son of Amos and first wife Hopestill (AKA Haskins - father's surname Hoskins) King). I am of this line and we didn't know although it has been a head scratcher on how Hopestill born in 1741 could have children as late as 1811 basically birthing children in her 60th year if all 10 children were actually born to her and/or her birthyear is incorrect in the first place. The Oregon family of whom I contacted immediately and before this suggestion was raised did not know and were/are interested in this new find. So interested in fact that two of the family have designated a new title for MWAH - Ancient King Historian to which I would rather see this go to someone more deserving of the title (This title still costs or gets with $5.00 a Latte at Starbucks) who have been working tirelessly for this family. The following is what was now known on 19 October 2009. Folks over the last 48 hours (as of 19 October) or so we have discovered that our 4th great grandfather was married 2 times. The first was in 1781 in New Salem, Hampshire County (New Salem is in Franklin County when it was created in December 1811 our King's left this area in 1785) Massachusetts. We understand that the marriage was to Hopestill (AKA Haskins) Hoskins daughter of William and Mary (Cole) Hoskins IV. Two children were born to this union first child and son was Nahum on 25 July 1783 and William O. (Probably Oliver as two of his line took and used this as a middle name). He was born in 1785. The family then moved west for the free land due the Revolutionary War Veterans. After a bit of wandering Amos brought his family to Canaan, Columbia County, NY by the 1790 census. He took land in the Lebanon Springs Valley near the town of future town of New Lebanon. Our information on this family is that Hopestill (Haskins) King was living in 1798 or at least named when her father named his daughter as to receive legacy from his estate in Norfolk County, Massachusetts. This was not a gift but the use of the farm during her lifetime is she were to use it. I now understand the meaning and it appears that the will was not changed after her probably death about 1793 (Six children born). The following excerpt revealed that Mrs. King died after what was called a very short marriage (I am guessing 12 years is short was the meaning of this statement. The new information that I have discovered came from: "The History of Johnson County, Nebraska we learned recently that Hopestill birthed 6 children and died shortly (the time frame is basically another scratch your header what was short back then the marriage was shorter than that of the second wife?). Amos then married second to a Miss Bassett in or near Canaan who presented the family with 9 more children and subsequently raised 7 of them to maturity. I know of only the youngest two known children are Luther Hiram (1806, and Horace born September 1811. This post is about trying to find any information available on the Bassett Family with whom Amos married as his second wife. The sketch of the widow of Horace King (Desire Jane) revealed that Miss Bassett was of New York. At this time we first didn't know of the second marriage and still do not know when Hopestill King died or where Amos, Hope, and Mrs. ______ (Bassett) King are buried. Amos died in New Lebanon, Columbia County in June 1839 with only Luther Hiram of the children having remained there. Luther served as the executor of his father's estate and it appears that he left Columbia County shortly after all of the estate was settled. Luther Hiram and his wife Emeline Campbell had kept their family bible which recently came into my possession. Paternal (Grandmother's line) 4th great Grandson of Amos and Hopestill (Haskins) King. Lucy Adelia King Frommherz (3) (Abraham Lincoln King (4), Solomon King (5), Nahum King (6), Amos King (5), William King Sr. IV (4), Jonathan King Sr. I (3), John (AKA King) Kinge Sr. I, William Kinge Sr.I (1) Daniel Lewis Frommherz Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: canis1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4905/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Capital District Genealogical Society will meet at the Colonie Town Library 629 Albany-Shaker Road, Loudonville Saturday Nov 21, 2009 2 P.M. to 4 P.M. The computer group will meet at 1 P.M. The computer group is an informal demonstration by one of our members of sites and tips to use on your computer The topic for the meeting will be Cemetery Restoration The speaker will be Ryan Weitz Village Historian for Fultonville, NY Please join us the meeting is free and open to the public. Capital District Genealogical Society P.O. Box 2175 Empire State Plaza Station Albany, NY 12220 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stashali1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4904.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I live in Columbia County and I've never heard of it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Have3 you tried French's gazetteer of NY? Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 7:24:56 AM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Columbia County? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stashali1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4904.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I live in Columbia County and I've never heard of it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dorothypaxton46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4904/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a genealogy record showing a relative born in 1760 at Pine Ridge Hudson River NY. Does anyone know what county that was in, it doesn't seem to exist as a town today Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

There is a Pine Bridge in Yorktown, Westchester County, NY -----Original Message----- From: nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nycolumb-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:29 PM To: NYCOLUMB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Columbia County? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dorothypaxton46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.co lumbia/4904/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a genealogy record showing a relative born in 1760 at Pine Ridge Hudson River NY. Does anyone know what county that was in, it doesn't seem to exist as a town today Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYCOLUMB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NADJBurns Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/65.823.826.1109.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have any information on the family of Elizabeth Young? My family included Christian Young from Columbia County, NY. I was wondering if your Elizabeth is the same as the one in Christian's family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Jim, It appears that we are looking for two different Becker families. I can see your family in Hank Jones' books. Jan Jurrianse Becker came to America around 1660. I am related to Jan Jurrianse and his wife. If I had to make a guess, I would say that Gertrude Maria BECKER and Margaret BECKER were from the Dutch family and not the Palatine family. Richard