This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pstenzler Surnames: Schlotterer, Leidecker, Mearns, Menzies Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4752/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rose was born in 1891, in Brooklyn, NY. Her husband was August F. Schlotterer, b.1894, Brooklyn, NY. She lived for a time in Chatham with her (3) children in a 23 room farm house on or near route 66. She lived there during the 1930s census, and my father, Robert was born in that house in 1940. According to my dad the house is located across from the bowling alley (location in the 1940s-1950's). I have made some trips to Chatham and Ghent on a quest to locate the house but have not been successful. I am trying to locate anyone who may know of the Schlotterer family or the Mearns-Menzies family of Chatham or Ghent. If so, please contact me with any info you may have at: [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The Genealogical Society of Rockland County, Inc. DATE: TUESDAY, 26 June 2007 PROGRAM: AFRICAN-AMERICANS SPEAKER: Sherrill D. Wilson, Ph. D. Urban Antropologist. TOPIC: The African Burial Ground in Lower Manhattan including how it relates to the Dutch, English and other groups that lived in that area during the time the burial ground was in use, and a commentary on the African historical presence in New York. TIME: 7:00 P.M. to 9:00 P.M. PLACE: New City Library Auditorium 220 North Main Street New City, NY 10956 REFRESHMENTS WILL BE SERVED. EVERYONE WELCOME Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office [email protected] (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

England and Wales are expected to run out of burial space in 30 years even though they have a cremation rate of over 70 percent. Read this interesting short story. http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap/i/629/06-05-2007/9cce000862b838c8.html Cliff Lamere

That story makes me think of one of my research trips from a few years ago. Hope no minds minds if I share: About four of years ago my mother and I were planning a cemetery research trip up to Kinderhook hoping to locate the grave sites for a number of people I found listed in the cemetery index on your site. We had just started the drive up to Kinderhook from our home in Ossining when my sister, who worked on Saturdays at the time, called to say her babysitter had a family emergency and couldn't watch the kids. Deciding we'd have to put our trip on hold, we changed course to head to my sister's house, which at that point wasn't far at all. My nephew Michael, then 10, was surprised we arrived so quickly and we explained the circumstances to him. Much to our surprise he said he wanted to go "collect dead relatives," which is a term I often use for this hobby. His sister Deanna, then 7, joined in saying she wanted to as well. So, the four of us loaded ourselves into my SUV and off we went. Overall, I got less research done than I normally would have, but it was still one of the most enjoyable research trips I've ever undertaken. The kids really surprised me by getting into it, especially my nephew. He was very serious with his copy of the list of names (thankfully I'd had made extra in order have backup copies), going methodically up and down the rows looking for the names on his list. He was the first to find one that matched and was he ever excited about that. I was able to pull out a chart to show him how the person fit into the tree and what the relationship to him was. He was hooked for the rest of the morning, walking those rows looking for more matches. My niece, meanwhile, had spent most of the morning wandering about just enjoying the warm day. All of a sudden she came over and said she had to show me something "really sad." She took me back over to a small headstone with a lamb on top. The grave was that of an infant, and one that died on the same day it was born. She wanted to know why that grave and most of the others didn't have flowers on them. My father had died recently and we had taken flowers to his grave the last time they had visited. I told her that the baby had died a long time ago and there was likely no one left alive who even knew the baby was buried there to bring it flowers. She just said "OH," and I thought that was the end of it. Shortly thereafter we left to go into Valatie to get something to eat and take a bathroom break. We then spent some time showing the kids where family members had lived over a hundred years ago in Valatie, where an ancestor's blacksmith shop had been located, and looking at the waterfall where one of the old mills had been located. We were just discussing it being time to head home when my niece declared, in that way little girls have, that we could NOT go home until we had put flowers on the graves. I forget now where we found them, but we bought a bouquet of flowers and stopped back at the cemetery on the way home. We separated the flowers and I told Deanna she could start putting them on the graves we'd found. I wasn't surprised when that long gone baby received the first gift of flowers. Both kids, four years later, still make references to the day we went to "collect dead relatives." Both still take an interest whenever I discover something new and want to know "how it fits" into the chart. All the result of a morning spent in warm sunshine and connecting with the past. Cliff Lamere wrote: > http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=595212&category=ALBANY&BCCode=&newsdate=6/5/2007 > > It is an interesting story about a cemetery field trip from today's 5 > June 2007 issue of the Times Union newspaper in Albany. > > Cliff Lamere > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=595212&category=ALBANY&BCCode=&newsdate=6/5/2007 It is an interesting story about a cemetery field trip from today's 5 June 2007 issue of the Times Union newspaper in Albany. Cliff Lamere

I have had many interesting cemetery trips with my four grandchildren, now 4, 7, 9, and 11. I have been taking them at least since the little one could toddle. As you say it slows up the work, but getting the next generation interested is more iportant than getting the work done faster. If I dsay I am going to a cemetery they all are suddenly ready to go with me. I was glad to read about the school field trip. I have been interested in how genealogy is slowly entering our elementary schools. When my middle grandson was in 3rd grade, the children were all assigned to interview their oldest living relative, and then do a power point presentation. The teacher forgot to add the caveat that the interviewee be of sound mind, so my poor grandson had problems interviewing his senile 96 year old great-grandmother. But that is an aside. The assignmrnt itself really got the kids enthused. I was also impressed with the ability of third graders to do power point. When I needed help with it, I called the third grader, then 7. I have since heard of several other schools doing the same thing. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office [email protected] (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Deborah Gizzi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:04:13 PM Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] A teacher creating genealogists That story makes me think of one of my research trips from a few years ago. Hope no minds minds if I share: About four of years ago my mother and I were planning a cemetery research trip up to Kinderhook hoping to locate the grave sites for a number of people I found listed in the cemetery index on your site. We had just started the drive up to Kinderhook from our home in Ossining when my sister, who worked on Saturdays at the time, called to say her babysitter had a family emergency and couldn't watch the kids. Deciding we'd have to put our trip on hold, we changed course to head to my sister's house, which at that point wasn't far at all. My nephew Michael, then 10, was surprised we arrived so quickly and we explained the circumstances to him. Much to our surprise he said he wanted to go "collect dead relatives," which is a term I often use for this hobby. His sister Deanna, then 7, joined in saying she wanted to as well. So, the four of us loaded ourselves into my SUV and off we went. Overall, I got less research done than I normally would have, but it was still one of the most enjoyable research trips I've ever undertaken. The kids really surprised me by getting into it, especially my nephew. He was very serious with his copy of the list of names (thankfully I'd had made extra in order have backup copies), going methodically up and down the rows looking for the names on his list. He was the first to find one that matched and was he ever excited about that. I was able to pull out a chart to show him how the person fit into the tree and what the relationship to him was. He was hooked for the rest of the morning, walking those rows looking for more matches. My niece, meanwhile, had spent most of the morning wandering about just enjoying the warm day. All of a sudden she came over and said she had to show me something "really sad." She took me back over to a small headstone with a lamb on top. The grave was that of an infant, and one that died on the same day it was born. She wanted to know why that grave and most of the others didn't have flowers on them. My father had died recently and we had taken flowers to his grave the last time they had visited. I told her that the baby had died a long time ago and there was likely no one left alive who even knew the baby was buried there to bring it flowers. She just said "OH," and I thought that was the end of it. Shortly thereafter we left to go into Valatie to get something to eat and take a bathroom break. We then spent some time showing the kids where family members had lived over a hundred years ago in Valatie, where an ancestor's blacksmith shop had been located, and looking at the waterfall where one of the old mills had been located. We were just discussing it being time to head home when my niece declared, in that way little girls have, that we could NOT go home until we had put flowers on the graves. I forget now where we found them, but we bought a bouquet of flowers and stopped back at the cemetery on the way home. We separated the flowers and I told Deanna she could start putting them on the graves we'd found. I wasn't surprised when that long gone baby received the first gift of flowers. Both kids, four years later, still make references to the day we went to "collect dead relatives." Both still take an interest whenever I discover something new and want to know "how it fits" into the chart. All the result of a morning spent in warm sunshine and connecting with the past. Cliff Lamere wrote: > http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=595212&category=ALBANY&BCCode=&newsdate=6/5/2007 > > It is an interesting story about a cemetery field trip from today's 5 > June 2007 issue of the Times Union newspaper in Albany. > > Cliff Lamere > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thehoy Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/122.2.1.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to a family tree made in the 1890's by Peter Silvernail that has since been published by kinship catalog out of Rhinebeck NY, Martin J. Hoysradt and Lydia pulver had a son Henry born in the town of pine plains although it does not mention a birth date (although I do have dates for some of his siblings). It also has a little information on his children who were still alive at the time Silvernail did his research. Just as a side note I am descended from Martin's brother William. I can email you all the information I have on that line of hoysradts. You can reach me at [email protected] or call me at (757)403-8102 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thehoy Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/122.2.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Martin J. Hoysradt and lydia pulver had a son Henry who married Sarah card. They lived in pine plains NY (in dutchess county), and if memory serves me right Martin J. and Lydia are buried in pine plains with several of their children. I am running late for work right now, but can go through the info I have and see if I have more detailed information. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Shelley_Sharp Surnames: Hoysradt, Hiserodt Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/122.2.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Would you happen to have more information about Hendrick Hoysradt son of Johannes Hoysradt and Catherine Miller? I know that Hendrick married Catherine Holsapple and they had 13 children-Anna, William, Susan, Tammy, Nicolas, Catherine, Hendrick, Jonas, Jacob, Esau, Daniel, Martin and Garret. Martin J. Hoysradt born about 1785 or 1787 Pine Plains, Duchess, NY and married 3 Feb 1811 to Lydia Pulver. I am trying to determine if Martin and Lydia may have had a son Henry born 1817 in Duchess, NY? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi, Jim Garrison has sent in a photo of a baseball team circa 1904 (Hudson) with his grandfather Lester George Garrison (1888-1986) in it. He would like to find out who the other players are. If anyone has any information, please email. You can find the photo here: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/photos/people2.htm Regards, Susan ************************************************* "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance." -- George Bernard Shaw Columbia County, NY Coordinator http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/

Hopefully I finally have this posted correctly. Sorry if anyone got duplicates--it's been misbehaving on my end. Barbara ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Barbara de Mare <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2007 3:01:10 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] (no subject) am seeking information on Abel Sage and his family--siblings, parents, grandparents, children, marriages, place of death--with sources. The primary Abel Sage in whom I am interested married Ruth Chapel for his first wife. Ruth Chapel is buried in the Butler Cemetery. Some lists call her Ruth Squire. I believe that is a transcription error, but would like more definitive proof. After Ruth death I believe Abel remarried and lived north of Columbia County, New York, but have no proof of that. Any information on Ruth Chapel, with sources, would also be appreciated. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office [email protected] (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office [email protected] (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Barbara de Mare <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:16:29 PM Subject: Re: Sage family, Ruth Chapel, and Squire family I am seeking information on Abel Sage and his family--siblings, parents, grandparents, children, marriages, place of death--with sources. The primary Abel Sage in whom I am interested married Ruth Chapel for his first wife. Ruth Chapel is buried in the Butler Cemetery. Some lists call her Ruth Squire. I believe that is a transcription error, but would like more definitive proof. After Ruth death I believe Abel remarried and lived north of Columbia County, New York, but have no proof of that. Any information on Ruth Chapel, with sources, would also be appreciated. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office [email protected] (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

am seeking information on Abel Sage and his family--siblings, parents, grandparents, children, marriages, place of death--with sources. The primary Abel Sage in whom I am interested married Ruth Chapel for his first wife. Ruth Chapel is buried in the Butler Cemetery. Some lists call her Ruth Squire. I believe that is a transcription error, but would like more definitive proof. After Ruth death I believe Abel remarried and lived north of Columbia County, New York, but have no proof of that. Any information on Ruth Chapel, with sources, would also be appreciated. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office [email protected] (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

I have put online 60,000 names of people buried in Columbia County. He is not one of those. The cemeteries were transcribed from the 1920s to the 1980s. There are certain cemeteries which were not included in what I put online, the largest being the Hudson cemetery. His gravestone would have been at least 100 years old by the time of the first cemetery transcription available today. The stone may not have survived that long. Lawrence Rickard created the 60,000-name index from 50 books of cemetery transcriptions at the Columbia County Historical Society which had no indexes. Twenty other books did have indexes, so he did not write an index for them. Once he finished his work on computer, he combined all of the names into a single Master Index. The Columbia County Historical Society should be able to tell you if the name of Adolphus Dingman is in any of the 20 other books. Cliff Lamere ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tee wrote: >I am a descendent of Adolphus Dingman whose son was Peter b 1791 . I am trying to find where Adolphus is buried he died Oct 14 1825 . Can any one help me out . > >Tee > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I am a descendent of Adolphus Dingman whose son was Peter b 1791 . I am trying to find where Adolphus is buried he died Oct 14 1825 . Can any one help me out . Tee

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JANEWOOD46 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.columbia/4751.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have some info on David Wilson Ryder or Rider, he is not in my direct family line. You may contact me at my e-mail address Jane Wood Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Susan Sorry about the mess I created on the list.  My computer was having a bad day. I found a "German Simmons" in the 1900 census but haven't checked the details.  1900 Columbia Co. New York:  German Simmons, birth: abt. 1839 (from Rootsweb/Ancestry) Parentage of Mary Caroline Simmons (wife of Peter Wheeler), hum?  Of Nicholas' brothers: - Conrad ~ He doesn't have any daughters named Mary - that I know of.  None of his children (that I have for him) are listed among Nicholas' heirs.   - John ~ I don't have a Mary listed as a daughter (although there are two databases on Rootsweb with conflicting information on his children) - Petrus/Peter ~ who married Catherine Clum was not in the Will.  So, this is a possibility since I don't have any information on their children? - Heinrich/Henry ~ In 1850, Henry Simmons was living with Nicholas.  Possibly Henry and Heinrich are the same person? The birth year matches. He's single. I'll have to study your e-mail after work!!!  Thanks for writing! Cindy -----Original Message----- From: smulvey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 22 May 2007 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [NYCOLUMB] Excerpts of the 1857 Will of Nicholas SIMMONS of Gallatin, Col. Co. NY Hi Cindy, I don't think I have much to add to your Simmons family but I have been rying to find out the connection between the Wheelers and the Simmons. his is what I have so far: Talmadge German Simmons b. Oct. 1838 married Anna J. (--?--) ssue: . Wheeler F., b. abt 1866 married Elizabeth F.(--?--) . Lillian J., b. Sept. 1870 in Valatie, Columbia County m. Seymour B. talker 21 Dec. 1892 in Philmont.[ Lillian's parents are listed as German immons and Annie Simmons on the marriage license. Seymour is my reat-granduncle.] . Franklin G. b. Sept. 1874 md. Joanna W. [I am beginning to think Wheeler . and Franklin G. are the same person] I have been have trouble finding the Simmons in the earlier census. The irst time Talmadge German shows up is in the 1870 census at Kinderhook as ollows: heeler, Peter G., age 53, shoe maker heeler, Mary, age 54, immons, German, age 32 drives team immons, Annie, age 36. immons, Wheeler, age 4 illiam, Wm., age 2 [not sure if this is another child of German and Annie, his is the way it was written on the census.] My thought is that the wife of German Simmons may be a Wheeler, especially ince they named their first child Wheeler. Peter G. Wheeler of Ghent married Mary Caroline Simmons of Ghent on 26 April 834 in the Christ Lutheran Church (p. 74, no. 75. They were married at the esidence of Peter Ploss. 1900 Census at Troy, Rensselaer, NY: eymour B. Stalker, age 30, b. Jan. 1870 illie J. Stalker, wife, age 29, b. Sept. 1870 ranklin G. Simmons, brother-in-law, age 25, b. Sept. 1874 oanna W. Simmons, sister-in-law, age 26, b. Oct. 1870 [wife of Franklin] ary C. Wheeler, aunt, age 84, b. Sept. 1815. [This could possibly be the ary Wheeler in the 1870 census] This Mary C. Wheeler is not the aunt of Seymour so she must be Lillie J. immons aunt. Probably her father's sister? In the 1910 census at Rensselaer City, Rensselaer county, Seymour and Lillie re living at 1565 First Street and her father is with them age 72 and a idow. heeler F. Simmons, age 44, married twice with wife Elizabeth F. and a rand-niece Martha D. Vosburgh age 4 are also living in Rensselaer City, 569 First Street. I haven't been able to find Talmadge German Simmons in the 1850, 1860, 1880 r 1900 census yet. He just seems to disappear or maybe he was just not ounted. Seymour, Lillie and Talmadge Simmons age 81 are found in the 1920 census at pringfield, Hampden, Mass. Seymour died 1 May 1924 in Springfield. Lille s listed in the directories in Springfield up until 1968 - had a long life! almadge German Simmons probably died there also. According to the Albany Directory for the years 1889 through 1891, Wheeler . Simmons lived at 87 Central Avenue. He, his wife Elizabeth and niece artha D. Vosburgh [she is listed as niece on both] can be found in the 1920 t Rensselaer City and 1930 census at East Greenbush, Rensselaer County. I checked the 1855 census for Nicholas but I could not find him. nfortunately, the reels I have some of the writing is so light it is nreadable. Kinship published the 1855 census and he is in Volume 2 on page 7 but I don't have this issue. I hope I haven't confused you - I know I'm confused! Susan ************************************************* If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it ance." -- George Bernard Shaw olumbia County, NY Coordinator ttp://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ ----- Original Message ----- rom: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:58 PM ubject: [NYCOLUMB] Excerpts of the 1857 Will of Nicholas SIMMONS f Gallatin, Col. Co. NY > I'm hoping the names listed in Nicholas A Simmons' Will will generate some good conversation. Cindy Simmons [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > To preface: Nicholas is the second son (and second child) of: Andreas SIMON and Anna Margaretha PULVER He's the grandson of: Johan Michael SIMON and Anna Barbara BOHNENSTEIHL AND Conrad PULVER and Anna Magdalena SHA(E)FFER Nicholas' marriages: 1) Margaretha/Margaret HUMMEL "SIMMON: Margaret, wife of Nicholas A., d. October 16, 1843, 69-18. St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" 2) Margaret MYERS "SIMMONS: Nicholas A., d. May 17, 1864, 93-4-21 Margaret Myers, his wife, d. January 6, 1875, 82-8-7 St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" ********************************************************************** summary of Nicholas' will: 1) He set aside a list of specifics for his (2nd) wife Margaret. 2) He designated gifts (mostly monitary) to his domestic help. ~ Hannah (wife of Elias PALMATIER and sister of Nicholas' second wife) ~ Hannah McDANIEL (wife of Nicholas McDANIEL) ~ Margaret STICKLES (daughter of Frederick STICKLES) ~ Catherine FRONK (daughter of Peter FRONK) ~ A codicil was added giving Elias PALMATIER choice of a pair of horses. 3) After his debts and funeral expenses are covered, the remainder of his personal property and real estate was to be divided equally among his surviving siblings. > ~ Henry A. SIMMONS ~ John A. SIMMONS ~ Coonradt A. SIMMONS ~ Margaret widow of William ABRIAL ~ Sarah widow of William BEARTER ~ Catherine wife of George HOFFMAN There's a stipulation that his brother John should maintain Coonradt's share. If Coonradt should pass before Nicholas, then Coonradt's share will be given to John. Executors are Frederick STICKLES and Jacob BARRINGER. ********************************************************************** The following heirs received copies of Nicholas' will in May and June of > 1864: ~ Margaret SIMMONS (his widow), of Gallatin ~ John A. SIMMONS, of Red Hook ~ Margaret ABRIAL, of Livingston (sons of George and Catharina HOFFMAN) ~ John HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck > ~ Griffin HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck, ~ Nicholas HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck ~ Caroline WHEELER (wife of Peter G. WHEELER), of Red Hook or Hudson (both locations are listed) ~ Catharine FULLMAN (wife of John W. FULLMAN), of Milan ~ Robert HOFFMAN STAFFORD/STANFORD, of Rhinebeck ~ Jane SIMMONS (wife of German SIMMONS), of Copake ~ Frances TIPPLE (wife of David TIPPLE), of Copake (Frances' maiden name is SIMMONS.) ~ James SIMMONS, of Schoharie Co. ~ Christian, Henry and John BECKER, of Red Hook ~ Eliza PUTNEY (wife of Joseph Putney) (I've also seen her name spelled Ann Eliza and Anna Eliza.) ~ William H. SIMMONS of Valatie ~ William H. SIMMONS, of Kinderhook ********************************************************************** Questions? 1) From Caroline WHEELER to William H SIMMONS of Kinderhook, how are they related to Nicholas? 2) Is it possible that the surname "BEARTER" is a poor transcription of the surname "BECKER"? 3) Does anyone have access to the 1855 Gallatin census and be willing to relay Nicholas' information to me? 4) Why wasn't Coonradt's share given to his heirs? ********************************************************************** FYI: Here's the list of the Children of Andreas and Anna Margaretha Pulver Simon/Simmons: > > 1) Conrad/Coonradt (1768 – 1857) > m. 1) Maria Kellerhaus and, “possibly” 2) Catharine_____ 2) Nicholas (above) 3) Sarah (b. ca. 1772) m. William Bearter 4) Margaretha/Margaret (b. 1774) m. William Abrial 5) Magdalena (b. 1777) 6) Johannes/John (1780 - 1869) m. Catharina Rivenburgh 7) Petrus (b. 1783) 8) Petrus (b. 1785) m. Catherine Clum 9) Elizabeth (b. 1786) 10) Catharina (1789 – 1864) m. George Hoffman 11) Heinrich/Henry (b. 1792) 12) Anna (b. 1796) ********************************************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hi Cindy, I don't think I have much to add to your Simmons family but I have been trying to find out the connection between the Wheelers and the Simmons. This is what I have so far: Talmadge German Simmons b. Oct. 1838 married Anna J. (--?--) issue: 1. Wheeler F., b. abt 1866 married Elizabeth F.(--?--) 2. Lillian J., b. Sept. 1870 in Valatie, Columbia County m. Seymour B. Stalker 21 Dec. 1892 in Philmont.[ Lillian's parents are listed as German Simmons and Annie Simmons on the marriage license. Seymour is my great-granduncle.] 3. Franklin G. b. Sept. 1874 md. Joanna W. [I am beginning to think Wheeler F. and Franklin G. are the same person] I have been have trouble finding the Simmons in the earlier census. The first time Talmadge German shows up is in the 1870 census at Kinderhook as follows: Wheeler, Peter G., age 53, shoe maker Wheeler, Mary, age 54, Simmons, German, age 32 drives team Simmons, Annie, age 36. Simmons, Wheeler, age 4 William, Wm., age 2 [not sure if this is another child of German and Annie, this is the way it was written on the census.] My thought is that the wife of German Simmons may be a Wheeler, especially since they named their first child Wheeler. Peter G. Wheeler of Ghent married Mary Caroline Simmons of Ghent on 26 April 1834 in the Christ Lutheran Church (p. 74, no. 75. They were married at the residence of Peter Ploss. 1900 Census at Troy, Rensselaer, NY: Seymour B. Stalker, age 30, b. Jan. 1870 Lillie J. Stalker, wife, age 29, b. Sept. 1870 Franklin G. Simmons, brother-in-law, age 25, b. Sept. 1874 Joanna W. Simmons, sister-in-law, age 26, b. Oct. 1870 [wife of Franklin] Mary C. Wheeler, aunt, age 84, b. Sept. 1815. [This could possibly be the Mary Wheeler in the 1870 census] This Mary C. Wheeler is not the aunt of Seymour so she must be Lillie J. Simmons aunt. Probably her father's sister? In the 1910 census at Rensselaer City, Rensselaer county, Seymour and Lillie are living at 1565 First Street and her father is with them age 72 and a widow. Wheeler F. Simmons, age 44, married twice with wife Elizabeth F. and a grand-niece Martha D. Vosburgh age 4 are also living in Rensselaer City, 1569 First Street. I haven't been able to find Talmadge German Simmons in the 1850, 1860, 1880 or 1900 census yet. He just seems to disappear or maybe he was just not counted. Seymour, Lillie and Talmadge Simmons age 81 are found in the 1920 census at Springfield, Hampden, Mass. Seymour died 1 May 1924 in Springfield. Lille is listed in the directories in Springfield up until 1968 - had a long life! Talmadge German Simmons probably died there also. According to the Albany Directory for the years 1889 through 1891, Wheeler F. Simmons lived at 87 Central Avenue. He, his wife Elizabeth and niece Martha D. Vosburgh [she is listed as niece on both] can be found in the 1920 at Rensselaer City and 1930 census at East Greenbush, Rensselaer County. I checked the 1855 census for Nicholas but I could not find him. Unfortunately, the reels I have some of the writing is so light it is unreadable. Kinship published the 1855 census and he is in Volume 2 on page 97 but I don't have this issue. I hope I haven't confused you - I know I'm confused! Susan ************************************************* "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance." -- George Bernard Shaw Columbia County, NY Coordinator http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: [NYCOLUMB] Excerpts of the 1857 Will of Nicholas SIMMONS ofGallatin, Col. Co. NY > > I'm hoping the names listed in Nicholas A Simmons' Will will generate some > good conversation. > Cindy Simmons > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > To preface: > > Nicholas is the second son (and second child) of: > Andreas SIMON and Anna Margaretha PULVER > He's the grandson of: > Johan Michael SIMON and Anna Barbara BOHNENSTEIHL > AND > Conrad PULVER and Anna Magdalena SHA(E)FFER > > > Nicholas' marriages: > > 1) Margaretha/Margaret HUMMEL > "SIMMON: Margaret, wife of Nicholas A., d. October 16, 1843, 69-18. > St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" > > 2) Margaret MYERS > "SIMMONS: Nicholas A., d. May 17, 1864, 93-4-21 > Margaret Myers, his wife, d. January 6, 1875, 82-8-7 > St. John's Evangelical Cemetery, Manorton, Livingston, Columbia Co., NY" > > ********************************************************************** > > summary of Nicholas' will: > > 1) He set aside a list of specifics for his (2nd) wife Margaret. > > 2) He designated gifts (mostly monitary) to his domestic help. > ~ Hannah (wife of Elias PALMATIER and sister of Nicholas' second wife) > ~ Hannah McDANIEL (wife of Nicholas McDANIEL) > ~ Margaret STICKLES (daughter of Frederick STICKLES) > ~ Catherine FRONK (daughter of Peter FRONK) > ~ A codicil was added giving Elias PALMATIER choice of a pair of > horses. > > 3) After his debts and funeral expenses are covered, the remainder of his > personal property and real estate was to be divided equally among his > surviving > siblings. > ~ Henry A. SIMMONS > ~ John A. SIMMONS > ~ Coonradt A. SIMMONS > ~ Margaret widow of William ABRIAL > ~ Sarah widow of William BEARTER > ~ Catherine wife of George HOFFMAN > > There's a stipulation that his brother John should maintain Coonradt's > share. If Coonradt should pass before Nicholas, then Coonradt's share > will be > given to John. > > Executors are Frederick STICKLES and Jacob BARRINGER. > > ********************************************************************** > > The following heirs received copies of Nicholas' will in May and June of > 1864: > > ~ Margaret SIMMONS (his widow), of Gallatin > > ~John A. SIMMONS, of Red Hook > ~ Margaret ABRIAL, of Livingston > > (sons of George and Catharina HOFFMAN) > ~ John HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck > > ~ Griffin HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck, > ~ Nicholas HOFFMAN, of Rhinebeck > > > ~ Caroline WHEELER (wife of Peter G. WHEELER), of Red Hook or Hudson > (both > locations are listed) > ~ Catharine FULLMAN (wife of John W. FULLMAN), of Milan > ~ Robert HOFFMAN STAFFORD/STANFORD, of Rhinebeck > ~ Jane SIMMONS (wife of German SIMMONS), of Copake > ~ Frances TIPPLE (wife of David TIPPLE), of Copake (Frances' maiden name > is > SIMMONS.) > ~ James SIMMONS, of Schoharie Co. > ~ Christian, Henry and John BECKER, of Red Hook > ~ Eliza PUTNEY (wife of Joseph Putney) (I've also seen her name spelled > Ann > Eliza and Anna Eliza.) > ~ William H. SIMMONS of Valatie > ~ William H. SIMMONS, of Kinderhook > > > ********************************************************************** > > Questions? > 1) From Caroline WHEELER to William H SIMMONS of Kinderhook, how are they > related to Nicholas? > > 2) Is it possible that the surname "BEARTER" is a poor transcription of > the > surname "BECKER"? > > 3) Does anyone have access to the 1855 Gallatin census and be willing to > relay Nicholas' information to me? > > 4) Why wasn't Coonradt's share given to his heirs? > > > ********************************************************************** > > FYI: > > > Here's the list of the Children of Andreas and Anna Margaretha Pulver > Simon/Simmons: > > > > 1) Conrad/Coonradt (1768 – 1857) > m. 1) Maria Kellerhaus and, “possibly” 2) Catharine_____ > 2) Nicholas (above) > 3) Sarah (b. ca. 1772) m. William Bearter > 4) Margaretha/Margaret (b. 1774) m. William Abrial > 5) Magdalena (b. 1777) > 6) Johannes/John (1780 - 1869) m. Catharina Rivenburgh > 7) Petrus (b. 1783) > 8) Petrus (b. 1785) m. Catherine Clum > 9) Elizabeth (b. 1786) > 10) Catharina (1789 – 1864) m. George Hoffman > 11) Heinrich/Henry (b. 1792) > 12) Anna (b. 1796) > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to figure out a branch of the Hallenbeck family from Columbia and Greene Counties. I am hoping someone can help.  According to information I received from an undocumented family legend, and more recently received from another kind researcher, Cornelis Hallenbeck married Maria Kelder/Keller on 15 November 1791 at the Reformed Church of Claverack.  Cornelis and Maria witnessed the baptism of Maritje Morrison, daughter of Lena Kelder/Keller and Conrad Morrison, on 24 June 1792 at the same church. Cornelis and Maria Hallenbeck had the following children: Anatje Hallenbeck, born 7 January 1795, and baptized 15 February 1795 at the Reformed Church of Claverack.  Sponsors John Broeks and Christina Broeks. Margretha Hallenbeck, born 20 August 1798, and baptized 21 October 1798 at the Reformed Church of Claverack. John Hallenbeck, born 27 November 1801, and baptized 1801 at the Reformed Church of Coxsackie, Greene County.  (I also have a date of birth for this John of 17 November 1792 in Columbia County, and on census records his dob matches the 1792 birthdate).  John married Sarah Frederick, who was allegedly also from Columbia County, and was born about 1804, according to census records.  This family relocated to Schoharie County.  They had the following children: George, born 28 December 1836 (had three children: Charles, John E. and Grant); Alexander, born 9 November 1841 (married Julia Van Tuyl and had five children: Hettie, Charles, Rose, Grace and Ralph); Almina/Alvina, born about 1840 (married Weslow Colyer and had two children: Lucian and Flora); Helen, born about 1843 (she married a Zoller and had two daughters: Sarah Etta and Gertrude); Anna Liza, born 1844 or 1849 (died 10 June 1850). Abraham/Abram Hallenbeck, born 18 April 1806, and baptized 20 May 1806 at the Zion EV Lutheran Church of Athens, Greene County.  Allegedly married Margaret Newby. Jacob Hallenbeck (sometimes written Jacob C. Hallenbeck), born 28 July 1806, and baptized 16 September 1806 at Zion EV Lutheran Church of Athens (I also have a date of birth of 1804 for him).  Allegedly married Elsie Van Loon/Van Loan.  They had the following cildren:  Abram, John, William, Maria C., Catherine, Rebecca A. (married Alfred Zeh) and Anna E. Christina Hallenbeck, born 15 April 1811, and baptized 1 May 1811 at the Trinity Episcopal Church of Athens.  Christina married John Isham 30 December 1835 in Athens.  They had the following children:  George Washington and Mary. Sarah Hallenbeck, born 26 March 1815, and baptized 22 April 1815 at the Trinity Episcopal Church of Athens.  This Sarah allegedly married Nicholas Hallenbeck.  They had the following children:  Mary, Rebecca, George, Helen, Elizabeth, Charles and Amanda. Family legend also places in this family the following children: Caspar Hallenbeck, who allegedly married Jane Mott.  They had the following children:  Irving, Adella and Audella (twins). Hannah/Anna Hallenbeck, who allegedly married John Clough/Clow. Two Issues: Obviously Jacob and Abraham could not have both been born in 1806, so there must be a problem with one of their birthdates. Maria Keller/Kelder Hallenbeck was possibly the sister of Lena Keller/Kelder.  In the family of Johan Joost Kelder/Keller and Ann(a) Clapper/Klapper of Columbia County, there was a daughter Martyje, who was baptized 3 July 1757 in Claverack.  If this is the same Maria, how could she have been having children in 1816?  If anyone can shed some light on these Hallenbecks, I'd be very grateful.  I am working on my mother-in-law's genealogy (at her request).  She was Helen Elaine Hallenbeck, the direct ancestor of Cornelis and Maria, and John and Sally Hallenbeck.  Thanks for any help you may be able to provide. linda tutt green bay, wisconsin ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.