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Thanks, Mary At 04:25 PM 11/11/1999 -0800, you wrote: >NYCLINTO-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 162 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Di [[email protected]] > #2 Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Di [Michael Houde <[email protected]] > #3 Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Di [Steven & Ann Mensch <Mensch-Family] > #4 [NYCLINTO-L] PLATTSBURGH - CIVIL W ["Susan Jones" <[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from NYCLINTO-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:23:15 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Digest V99 #160 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >What I find interesting and a mystery is that my grandfather was born in 1882 >and I have the records of St Josephs church in Dannemora N.Y. where he was >baptised, Aug , 1882. This summer while visiting I too discovered that the >church was not established until 1883. Can anyone explain?? Margo > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:43:18 -0500 >From: Michael Houde <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Digest V99 #160 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello everybody, > > First off I'd like to thank Kris for this information. It solved one >puzzle for me. I could never figure out the marriage date for my >g-g-g-grandparents Ernest Roberts and Philomene Demers or Soulard was >for a time after I knew thay had at least children baptised. > Secondly, can anybody help me to interpret the reference to Lyon >Mountain below. This is the church they went to. Where is Redford? The >way I'm reading it, from 1870 to 1881, people from Lyon Mountain went to >Redford for marriages and baptisms. Is that right? > >Mike > >The Goszka's wrote: >> >> I have read {in MARRIAGES (1830-1880) CLINTON COUNTY (NEW YORK) by Benoit >> Pontbriand} that early on they had "traveling pastors" or missionaries that >> would be stationed at a mission. >> >> Also, there apparently was something called a "rehabilitated marriage". >> These will sometimes be found in Catholic church records. It was >> essentially a second marriage. The couple would have been married by a >> squire or Protestant Minister, and sometime after that (I think with in 7 >> years), the couple would be "re-married", or have the marriage >> "rehabilitated" by a Catholic priest. > >> St. Bernard in Lyon Mountain, established 1881, resident pastor 1894, >> mission of Redford 1870. >> > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:20:24 -0500 >From: Steven & Ann Mensch <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Digest V99 #160 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, >I am not an expert, but in my research, I have found that the dates reported for >the establishment of a church may vary for several reasons. >Some parishes may develop rather quickly, as a town with the coming of the >railroad may have had a large jump in population very quickly. Other parishes >may develop slowly - A few people may move to an area where there is no >settlement/town...These people may request a priest or missionary to visit, or a >priest or missionary may come across them during their travels, and minister to >their spiritual needs....These people may set about building a church building >right away, and yet, not have a resident pastor...Or, the population and needs of >the area may prompt a priest or missionary to locate to the area before a church >building is there, and the priest may organize the building of the church himself >- If the latter is the case, there would likely be sacramental records prior to >the building of the church, since there would likely be baptisms, marriages, and >deaths during that interim... >There are different types of records which are kept, for example, sacramental >records, financial records, building records, land records, etc. >One author may be looking at the records for the actual building of the church, >and using that as the date of establishment; another may be using the dates of >the first sacramental records for members of the congregation (which could have >been kept locally, or at a parish which a visiting priest called home); yet >another could use the date that a parish church first had it's own resident >pastor, rather than a visiting pastor. >In other words, there is some degree of interpretation involved when using the >information contained in the many different types of records, and assessing which >of the different stages, in the development of a parish, to call "established". >I hope this makes sense and is helpful to you. >Respectfully, >--Ann Mensch >+Local Catholic Church History and Genealogy Research Guide and Worldwide >Directory >http://home.att.net/~Local_Catholic/ > >[email protected] wrote: > >> What I find interesting and a mystery is that my grandfather was born in 1882 >> and I have the records of St Josephs church in Dannemora N.Y. where he was >> baptised, Aug , 1882. This summer while visiting I too discovered that the >> church was not established until 1883. Can anyone explain?? Margo > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:19:28 -0500 >From: "Susan Jones" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [NYCLINTO-L] PLATTSBURGH - CIVIL WAR ROSTER >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi List, > >While I am taking a breather, I am letting you know that I just found the >CIVIL WAR ROSTER for the town of Plattsburgh. It is an extremely long list, >so there is no way I can put this up on the list. Once my "POP" server is >running properly, I will get this list over to the Clinton County webpage >and have it put up there. In the mean time, again, once my server is >working, I will take a request for 1 or 2 names only per mailing, to be fair >to everyone. I MUST have both a first and last name with your request. >Again, this is because of the length of the roster and it is NOT in >alphabetical order. Will take a little work and magnifying glass <G> to >find the names. > >Sue [email protected] >