"The "Saratoga" had twenty-four-pound long cannons. Those killed in action on the "Saratoga": GAMBLE, Peter Lieutenant BUTLER, Thomas, Quarter Gunner NORBERRY, James, Boatswain's Mate DAVIS, Abraham, Quarter Master WYER, William, Sail Maker BRICKELL, William, seaman JOHNSON, Peter, seaman COLEMAN, John, seaman BURRILL, Benjamin, ordinary seaman PARMLEE, Andrews, ordinary seaman POST, Peter, seaman BENNETT, David, seaman JOHNSON, Ebenezer, seaman COUCH, Joseph, landsman STEPHENS, Thomas, seaman M'DONALD, Randall, ordinary seaman WHITE, John, ordinary seaman SMITH, Samuel, seaman MALONY, Thomas, ordinary seaman NELSON, Andrew, seaman SELLACK, John, seaman HANSON, Peter, seaman LARAWAY, Jacob, seaman MOORE, Edward, seaman WILLIAMS, Jerome, ordinary seaman CARLISLE, James, marine SMART, John, seaman HANNEMON, Earl, seaman. "The FINAL INVASION" by Colonel David G. Fitz-Enz, Appendix C, 2001, pages 206, 207 and 208. Transcribed by Jan

> ~SMITH, John Lieutenant, commanded a blockhouse > manned by the sick at Plattsburgh. Does anyone have any more information about this man? John SMITH was the name of the father of my gt-gt-gt grandfather (Thomas Whitehead SMITH, b. NY 1795, d. IA 1877). This John SMITH and wife Ruth GILDERSLEEVE SMITH were living in Clinton Co. NY in the very early 1800s. Since "John Smith" is a very common name, I'm hesitant to pursue the Lieutenant without knowing (or at least strongly suspecting) that he was an ancestor of mine. Thank you, Judy Mitchell nofasum@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

"The Royal Navy had eleven gunboats, with more than half of the crews were French Canadian, under the command of Captain Roumzie: 'Yeo, Blucher, Drummond, Murray, Wellington, Bereford, Popham, Prevost, Simcoe, Beckwith and Brock'. The total crew for all Royal Navy vessels was believed to be just under one thousand. There was a decided advantage to the Royal Navy because of the superior range and throwing weight." American gunboats were: 'Borer, Centipede, Wilmer, Nettle, Allen, Viper, Burows, Ludlow, Alwyn, and Ballard.' The total crew for all the American vessels was believed to be over 800." Source is book "The FINAL INVASION", by Colonet David G. Fitz-Enz, 2001, pages 205 and 206. Transcribed by Jan

"Abel CARPENTER, Quartermaster Sergeant. Served with Detachment of Militia ent to Derby from Caledonia County in July 1812. Served in Corning's Detachment, Vt. Militia. Volunteered to go to Plattsburg, NY, September, 1814, and went as far at Bolton, Vt., served in Lieut. Phineas Kimball's Company, West Fairlee. Ref: Vol. 49 Vt. State Papers, Page 222; Book 52, AGO Pages 46 and 47." "Roswell CARPENTER, Lieutenant. Served from Sept. 25, 1813 to Oct. 14, 1813 in Capt. Asa Wilkin's Company, Dixon's Regt. Also, served in Capt. Brush's Company. Pension certificate of widow, Lucy, No. 23369." Please let me know if you need directions on how to order pension for $37.00 from D.A.R. Source is "State of Vermont ROSTER of SOLDIERS in the WAR of 1812-14", prepared and published under the direction of Herbert T. Johnson, The Adjutant General, 1933, pages 89 and 90. Transcribed by Jan <<Genealogy@Bilmanis.com (Susan Bilmanis)>>

continued page 2 of 2 pages ~STAFFORD, Captain, New York Militia, dragoon at Dead Creek Bridge. ~SAILLY, Peter, Customs Director, spymaster. ~SCOTT, Winfield, Brigadier General, fought at Queenstown, Fort George. ~SMITH, John Lieutenant, commanded a blockhouse manned by the sick at Plattsburgh. ~SMITH, Malancton, Lieutenant Colonel, commanded Fort Moreau. ~SMYTH, Alexander, Brigadier General, campaigned after Queenstown in the Niagara. ~SPROUL, Robert, Captain, commanded a company of the 13th Infantry. ~STANDISH, Matthew, Lieutenant, New York militia, dragoon. ~STORES, Huckens, Lieutenant Colonel, commanded Fort Brown. ~STRONG, Samuel, Major General, Vermont militia (Green Mountain Boys). ~TERRY, Sam, Private, New York militia, shot Lieutenant Colonel Wellington. ~TOTTEN, Joseph G., Major, Corps of Engineers, designed the defenses at Plattsburgh. ~VAN RENSSELAER, Solomon, Lieutenant Colonel, New York militia, killed at Queenstown. ~VAN RENSSELAER, STEPHEN, Major General, New York militia, fought at Queenstown, 1812. ~VAUGHAN, Captain, Vermont militia, Pike's Cantonment. ~VINSON, Thomas, Major, commanded the remnants of the 33rd and 34th regiments. ~WAIT, Roswell, Lieutenant, New York militia, dragoon. ~WILKINSON, James, Major General, succeeded Dearborn as commanding general in the North. ~WINDER, William, Brigadier General, commanded the defensive force at Bladensburg. ~WOOL, John E. Captain at Queenstown, Major at Plattsburgh. ~YOUNG, Guilford Dudley, Major, commander of the Troy, New York, militia. Source is "the FINAL INVASION", Appendix A, by Colonel David G. Fitz-Enz, 2001, pages 203 and 204. Transcribed by Jan Jordan

AMERICAN PARTICIPANTS ~AIKIN, Martin, Captain, New York militia, commander of Aikin's volunteers. ~APPLING, Daniel, Lieutenant Colonel, commander at Dead Creek Bridge. ~BRUM, Sailing Master, "Ticonderoga" ~CASSIN, Stephen, Lieutenant, U.S. Navy, commander of the "Ticonderoga" ~CHITTENDEN, Martin, Governor, Vermont ~CLARK, Isaac, Colonel, Vermont militia, conducted successful raid into Canada ~CONOVER, Midshipman, in charge of gunboat, supported CASSIN ~DARUSIE, R.E. Lieutenant, Corps of Engineers, drew the map of the battle ~DUNCAN, Silas, Midshipman, from "Saratoga", rescued gunboats, decorated by Congress ~FLAGG, Azariah, Lieutenant, New York militia, leader in AIKIN's volunteers ~FOWLER, Lieutenant, commanded a blockhouse at Plattsburg, NY ~HAMPTON, Wade, Major General, subordinate to WILKINSON in 1813 ~LEONARD, Captain, commanded the artillery at Beekmantown and the bridge ~LOOMIS, Jarvis, Sailing Master, "Growler", captured at Ille aux Noix in 1813 ~MACDONOUGH, Thomas, Lieutenant, U.S. navy, commodore of the Lake Champlain flotilla ~MACOMB, Alexander, Jr., Brigadier General, Commander at Plattsburg, NY ~MANN, John, maintained the hospital on Crab Island during the battle MCGLASSIN, George, Captain, commanded the raid on the British rocket battery ~MOOERS, Benjamin, Major General, New York Militia ~PAULDING, Hiram, Midshipman, "Ticonderoga", fired guns with a pistol ~PHELPS, Benjah, twelve-year-old boy who witnessed the battle ~PIKE, Zebulon, Brigadier General, killed in action at York, Upper Canada ~PLATT, Charles, Midshipman, "Saratoga", took command of the beaten "Chub". Source is "the FINAL INVASION", by Colonel David G. Fitz-Enz, 2001, pages 201, 202 and 203. Transcribed by Jan

"JOHN CARPENTER. Williamstown, Orange County, VT Served in Capt. Walker's Company, Col. Fifield's Regt. Detached Militia in U.S. service 6 months and 3 days, 1812. Served from June 11 1813 to June 14, 1813 in Capt. Hezekiah Barn's Company, 1st Regt. 2nd Brig. 3rd Div., Volunteered to go to Plattsburg, NY, September 1814, and served in capt. David Robinson's Company; went as far as Burlington, Vt." Source is "State of Vermont ROSTER of SOLDIERS in the WAR of 1812-14", prepared and published uder the direction of Herbert T. Johnson, The Adjutant General, 1933, page 90. <<John Carpenter on 1800 Dover census. John Carpenter Johnlsaywhat@aol.com>>

I was playing around with the LDS 1880 Census. I found about 61 clergy in Clinton Co., NY. They are broken down by town. Thought that you might find it interesting. Mark Aubrey ---------------------------------------------------- Clergy in the 1880 Census, Clinton Co., New York Marr. Age Birthplace Occupation ----- --- ---------- ---------- ALTONA: Calvin ANABLE M 32 New York Minister Lyman PRINDLE M 71 Connecticut Clergyman AUSABLE: C. B. ARMSTRONG M 34 New York Min. Of The Gospel Issac O. BOWEN M 62 England Methodist Clergyman BEEKMANTOWN Melvin BALDRIDGE S 28 New York Minister Weslian Stephen W. CORNELL M 35 New York M. E. Minister Thomas A. HAMILTON M 49 New York Presbtyrian Min. BLACK BROOK Jordan COPE M 40 England Methodist Preacher Jos. R. SCANLON S 33 New York Catholic Priest CHAMPLAIN Joseph N. BEANDRY S 32 Canada Catholic Priest Francis X. CHAGNAU S 38 Canada Catholic Priest Peter DEVLIN S 24 Ireland Priest Irving McELROY M 31 New York Episcopal Priest Frank B. MAKEPEACE M 32 Massachusetts Clergyman T. M. PREBLE M 70 Maine Clergyman William I. SANDS M 58 England E. M. Minister Daniel TAYLOR M 57 New York Clergyman CHAZY Peter J. H. MYERS W 58 New York Min. Of The Gospel John QUAY M 54 New York Clergyman W. M. George H. ROBBINS M 38 New York Min. Of The Gospel Frank R. SHERWOOD M 28 New York Clergyman M. E. CHERUBUSCO Jeremiah P. MURPHY S 29 Vermont Catholic Priest DANNEMORA Milford H. SMITH M 25 New York Clergyman Paul T. VALENTINI S 44 Italy Clergyman ELLENBURGH E. M. GERALD S 29 Canada Preacher Of Gospel Geo. W. HUGHS M 29 New Jersey M. E. Clergyman Lewis L. LAWRENCE M 34 New York Methodist Episcopal Clergyman S. L. PHELPS M 53 Vermont Preacher Of Gospel Silas M. ROGERS M 60 New York Episcopal Clergyman KEESEVILLE Fabien BERNABA S 42 Canada French Catholic Priest Henry E. BUTLER M 45 Vermont Congregational Minister MOOERS John J. BRENENAN S 31 New York Catholic Priest Louis BROIDON M 65 Switzerland Clergyman Henry A. RUSSEL M 53 Connecticut Clergyman George C. THOMAS M 47 New York Clergyman John UPTON M 32 New York Preacher Sanford WARNER M 42 Vermont Clergy Man Stephan WILLIAMS M 73 Vermont Clergyman PERU Chester A. BRANDEY M 50 Vermont Preacher Charles E. GREEN M 29 New Jersey Minister Horace N. MUNGER M 46 Vermont Minister _____ SARGENT M 50 Pennsylvania Minister PLATTSBURGH Wm. MC ALLESTER M 29 New York Preacher Enoch CURTIS M 46 New York Preacher Joseph GAMBLE M 38 Missouri Pastor 1st Presbyterian Church Solomon GOLDSTEIN M 35 Poland Rabbi Charles L. HAGAR M 60 Vermont Minister Francis B. HALL M 52 New York Minister Henry J. HUDSON M 58 Massachusetts Clergyman Louis LEBRET S 50 France Catholic Priest Benjamin B. LOOMIS M 43 New York Minister James McGOWEN S 49 Ireland Catholick Priest Alexa MEDULLA S 56 France Catholic Priest Hugh J. SHIELDS S 42 Ireland Priest Henry M. SMYTH M 30 Maryland Minister John M. WEBSTER M 52 New York Minister REFORD Remi GECASIE S 35 Canada Priest Edward TAYLOR M 53 England Clergyman SARANAC F. K. POTTER M 40 New York Min. Of The Gospel SCHUYLER FALLS Marcus M. CURRY M 59 Ireland Clergyman Emery MANSFIELD M 72 Vermont Minister __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Concerning my Irish great-great grandfather, James Johnston / Johnson (I have found both surname spellings in records since the "t" was often dropped)... James Johnston is buried in Minnesota having moved here with two of his sons around 1872 or 73. His wife Elizabeth (maiden not known) died in 1859 in Mooers and is buried in the Mooers old cemetery located in the town of Mooers. I haven't been able to find any other information concerning Elizabeth other than she was born in England abt 1820 according to the 1850 census. I have a photo of her gravestone but it doesn't mention her place of birth or parentage. Frustrating! Mary At 07:02 PM 4/22/04, you wrote: >Mary, >Do you know that James and his wife Elizabeth are buried at Mooers Village >Cemetery, Mooers New York? >Glenn

In a message dated 4/26/2004 11:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, edieb@hypernet.com writes: > hope this is of interest to some. > Left this off my previous note-- Thank you for sending this link--anything that helps fill genealogical holes is a great help. Linda

In a message dated 4/26/2004 11:29:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, edieb@hypernet.com writes: > http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1 This is a great site, but is not the final word. Some of those buried in National Cemeteries are not yet included. So if you don't find someone via the site, do not panic. For example: Arlington is not included because is run by the Department of the Army. My gg uncle, Sydney Hare, from Clinton County (Peru) is buried at Arlington. Learned that from his pension record. We were in Washington, DC several years ago and actually visited the grave. Today his name didn't appear when I did a search, so after checking every possible spelling variation, did a bit more digging on the website. Then called Arlington which confirmed that they are not part of that system. Also, there are some national cemeteries that are not yet on this site, though their interred are listed on the cemetery's computer, and they'll do phone lookups. Daniel B. Hare, of Plattsburgh (son of Daniel and Susan Winch Hare) is buried at Antietam National Cemetery, but they are not yet part of the national online system. Years ago, I paid someone to peruse the "Roll of Honor" to check several graves. He gave me Daniel's information. When he was not listed on the national website, phoned Antietam--they looked on their system and found him. (Though there are been some readdressing of graves, so his grave number is not the same as what I was given from the "Roll of Honor" though the section numbers matched. What I'd really like is for someone to put the "Roll of Honor" online. Linda Guynup Dewey

From the Kim Komando Electronic Newsletter: -> YOU CAN SEARCH ONLINE FOR VETERANS' BURIAL SITES The Department of Veterans Affairs has put the burial records of 3.2 million veterans online. They are buried in 120 national cemeteries and some state cemeteries. The records go back to the Civil War. However, nearly half of the Union dead from the Civil War are unidentified. If you are tracing an ancestor, the government has a search engine. You must know the last name. If you have more information, there is an advanced search available. Start your search at: http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1 I hope this is of interest to some. Edie in Maine

For the surnames FOUNIER, GAGNE, SOUCIE, and hundreds of other surnames from this region, go to www.duquette.org Be sure to check out all possible spelling variations in the index! _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/

"Nathaniel MARTIN Sheldon, Franklin County, Vermont Served in Capt. Walker's Company, Col. Fifield's Regt. Detached Militia in U.S. service 6 months and 3 days, 1812. Served from June 11 to June 14, 1813, as a corporal in Capt. Ithiel Stone's Company, 1st Regt. 2nd Brig. 3d Div. Volunteered to go to Plattsburg, NY, September, 1814, and served in Capt. Samuel Weed's Company. Ref: Book 51, AGO Pages 125, 152, 172. Pension Certificate No. 16718." Please let me know if you need directions on how to order pension. Source is "State of Vermont ROSTER OF SOLDIERS in the WAR of 1812-14", prepared and published under the direction of Herbert T. Johnson, The Adjutant General, 1933, page 284. Jan

I took a look at the University of Virginia Library Historical Census Browser http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stats/histcensus/ and poked around for info relating to the Irish population from 1870 to 1900. I have included the New York state population as well as Clinton Co. population. I'm not going to try and draw conclusions from the data, I just present it as an interesting snapshot of the melting pot. Mark Aubrey ----------- 1870 NY state * Total Population: 4,382,759 * Total Foreign-Born Persons: 1,138,353 (29.97% of NY's total popluation) * Irish Born: 528,806 (12.06% of NY's total popluation, or 46.54% of NY's total Foreign-Born population) 1870 Clinton Co., NY * Total Population: 47,947 (1.09% of NY's total popluation) * Total Foreign-Born Persons: 12,677 (26.44 % of Clinton Co.'s total popluation) * Irish Born: 2,538 (5.29% of Clinton Co.'s total popluation, or 20.02% of the Clinton Co.'s total Foreign-Born population) 1880 NY state * Total Population: 5,082,871 * Total Foreign-Born Persons: 1,211,379 (23.83% of NY's total popluation) * Irish Born: 499,445 (9.82% of NY's total popluation, or 41.22% of NY's total Foreign-Born population) 1880 Clinton Co., NY * Total Population: 50,897 (1.00% of NY's total popluation) * Total Foreign-Born Persons: 10,605 (20.83 % of Clinton Co.'s total popluation) * Irish Born: 2,022 (3.97% of Clinton Co.'s total popluation, or 19.06% of the Clinton Co.'s total Foreign-Born population) 1890 NY state * Total Population: 5,997,853 * Irish Born: 483,375 (8.05% of NY's total popluation) 1890 Clinton Co., NY * Total Population: 46,437 (0.77% of NY's total popluation) * Irish Born: 1,313 (2.82% of Clinton Co.'s total popluation, or 0.27% of NY's Irish Born population) 1900 NY state * Total Population: 7,268,894 * Irish Born: 425,553 (5.85% of NY's total popluation) * Canadian (French) Born: 27,199 (0.37% of NY's total popluation) * Canadian (English) Born: 90,336 (1.24% of NY's total popluation) * Canadian (combined) Born: 117,535 (1.61% of NY's total popluation) 1900 Clinton Co., NY * Total Population: 47,430 (0.65% of NY's total popluation) * Irish Born: 822 (1.73% of Clinton Co.'s total popluation, or 0.19% of NY's Irish Born population) * Canadian (French) Born: 3,213 (6.77% of Clinton Co.'s total popluation or 11.81% of NY's Canadian [French] Born population) * Canadian (English) Born: 1,037 (2.18% of Clinton Co.'s total popluation or 1.14% of NY's Canadian [English] Born population) * Canadian (combined) Born: 4,250 (8.96% of Clinton Co.'s total popluation or 3.61% of NY Canadian [combined] population) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

Mary, Do you know that James and his wife Elizabeth are buried at Mooers Village Cemetery, Mooers New York? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Swanson" <swans060@tc.umn.edu> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: [NYCLINTO] Irish in Clinton Co. > There seems to be several sources available for information concerning the > French or French Canadian and English Canadian ancestors and settlers > who made up a large portion of the population in Clinton Co. However, > my family in Clinton Co. was Irish, having been born in Ireland about 1820. > Few sources seem to be available on the Clinton Co. Irish. My great-great > grandfather born in Ireland in 1820 was in Champlain, Clinton Co. by 1844 > when his first child, Mary J. Johnston / Johnson (marr name Wingate) was > born. My ancestor was Catholic and raised his children as Catholic although > a couple of them left the church as adults. > > There do not seem to be marr records for those marr around 1842 / 1843 in > Clinton Co. by a Catholic missionary traveling the circuit. There are no > baptismal > records for the children in this family, no obituaries that state the county in > Ireland where my James Johnston / Johnson was born, etc. The lack of > sources for the Clinton Co. Irish is so frustrating. > They're enumerated in census records but only "Ireland" as a birthplace is > mentioned. Can anyone offer any help? > > Thanks, Mary > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > NYCLINTO List Administrator: > sandyclan@pacific.net.au

Hi David, "JACOB F. EATON. Served from Feb. 2, 1813 to May 1, 1813 in Capt. Samuel Gordon's Company, 11th Regt. Served from June 10 to June 30, 1814 in company of Artificers commanded by Alexander Parris, as an Armorer. Ref: R. & L. 1812, AGO Pages 8, 9, 24." Source is "State of Vermont ROSTER of SOLDIERS in the WAR of 1812-14", 1933, page 146.

There seems to be several sources available for information concerning the French or French Canadian and English Canadian ancestors and settlers who made up a large portion of the population in Clinton Co. However, my family in Clinton Co. was Irish, having been born in Ireland about 1820. Few sources seem to be available on the Clinton Co. Irish. My great-great grandfather born in Ireland in 1820 was in Champlain, Clinton Co. by 1844 when his first child, Mary J. Johnston / Johnson (marr name Wingate) was born. My ancestor was Catholic and raised his children as Catholic although a couple of them left the church as adults. There do not seem to be marr records for those marr around 1842 / 1843 in Clinton Co. by a Catholic missionary traveling the circuit. There are no baptismal records for the children in this family, no obituaries that state the county in Ireland where my James Johnston / Johnson was born, etc. The lack of sources for the Clinton Co. Irish is so frustrating. They're enumerated in census records but only "Ireland" as a birthplace is mentioned. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks, Mary

Hi Susan, "SAMUEL SHEPARD of Salibury, Addison Co., or Panton, Addison Co., Vermont Volunteered to go to Plattsburg, NY, September, 1814, and served 4 days in capt. John Morton's Company. Ref: Book 51, AGO Page 66; Book 52, AGO Page 141." "SAMUEL SHEPARD of Enosburg, Franklin County, Vermont Served from Oct. 15 to Nov. 17, 1813 in Capt. Asahel Scovell's Company, Col. Clark's Rifle Corps." "On November 6, 1812, the legislature authorized the raising of a volunteer corps of sixty-eight companies (two brigades) for the service of the Federal Government, and by 1814 the entire male population of Vermont-aged from sixteen to sixty-volunteered for service on the occasion of the invasion of Plattsburg in time to engage in the battle." Sources are "State of Vermont ROSTER of SOLDIERS in the WAR of 1812-14", 1933. Jan <<Susan sshepard@wyom.net My gg grandfather, Samuel Shepard, was born in Vermont in 1792 and migrated to upstate New York, where my grandfather, William H. Shepard, was born in 1815.>> 

Jan, Could you lookup Jacob EATON please. >Hi, >Am willing to do free lookups of Vermont soldiers who fought at the >Battle of Plattsburg, NY, in 1814. >Jan Jordan > > Thanks, -- David