My family all came from Chazy Lake or Saranac Lake and always called it 'upstate'. I never heard them call it anything else other than the Adirondacks. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: gbushaw@northnet.org To: NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn Mac, I live in St. Law. Co. and we consider anything north of Syacuse as heading into Northern New York. Gary ---- Original Message ----- From: "Sharmac Villa" <moonandsixpence@verizon.net> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > Glenn, > > I'm not quite sure how Keeseville got into this, but, no - definitely not! The area from Lake Champlain to the St. Lawrence county line would be a defininition of "Northern New York". Naturally, the Adirondack (northern) area would be a part. Upstate is a term use by people in New York City - always has been. To them, the Catskills are the country and in "days of yore" they knew nothing of the area beyond that. When I was a boy, in Dannemora, Saturday Evening Post Magazine did an article about the prison there and referred to the area as "Little Siberia". > > The point I was trying to make, was this; When you see "Upstate New York" in an article, think of this relationship: Upstate---a New York City terminology___ Northern - a resident's terminology. That's all. > > Mac > > > -- Original Message ----- > From: Gleann Rock > To: NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > > > Dear Mac, > I appreciate the help and I understand the confusion, so how's this, when > I'm talking about down state I'm talking about everything south of > Keeseville, and when I'm talking about upstate I'm talking about everything > north of Keeseville. > Thanks You, > Glenn LaRocque > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/ > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/

Buffalo and Rochester are in Western New York. Let's not confuse NY City with New York State. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Carroll" <Bob@shipstore.com> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn [Upstate] > Going back some 40+ years when I worked for the NYS Health Dept, doing > research with vital records, we considered "Upstate NY" as anywhere other > than New York City. We would have labeled even Long Island as "Upstate" > because the vital records were filed in Albany instead of NYC. Public Health > Laws applied to all buy NYC. > Today, casual talk would probably exclude Long Island, but officially Albany > still keeps VR for Long Island. > In Clinton/Essex we commonly call it "North Country", which is very > imprecise. Burlington VT paper today used it to refer to northern Vermont. > I would not know what Northern New York referred to, but would certainly not > rule out Rochester and Buffalo. > > Bob > Bob & Dee Carroll Westport on Lake Champlain, NY. Bob@shipstore.com > www.westportmarina.com > Ancestors of Bob and Dee: > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rcarroll > > > Westchester, Rockland, Orange, and perhaps Putnam and Dutchess counties. As > > Mac stated, Northern NY is not really a specific area of NY; I would consider > > anywhere north of where I lived in Warren County to be Northern NY > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > NYCLINTO List Administrator: > sandyclan@pacific.net.au > >

Hi Harriet, Thank you for your email. Yes, I've searched the "Marriages in Clinton County" but did not find my g.g.grandparents listed. I think they would have been married by a traveling priest perhaps and records may not have been kept for those events. This is only a guess of course. The search continues...thank you for your suggestion however. Mary At 09:01 PM 5/8/04, you wrote: >Hi Mary: Have you tried to find the marriage of your ancestors in " >Marriages of Clinton County" by, Benoit Pontbriand? > >A kind person found my Irish born grandfather, who was married in >Plattsburgh in 1873. Of course, I realize that your ancestor was married at >a much earlier time. Good luck. >Harriet

Going back some 40+ years when I worked for the NYS Health Dept, doing research with vital records, we considered "Upstate NY" as anywhere other than New York City. We would have labeled even Long Island as "Upstate" because the vital records were filed in Albany instead of NYC. Public Health Laws applied to all buy NYC. Today, casual talk would probably exclude Long Island, but officially Albany still keeps VR for Long Island. In Clinton/Essex we commonly call it "North Country", which is very imprecise. Burlington VT paper today used it to refer to northern Vermont. I would not know what Northern New York referred to, but would certainly not rule out Rochester and Buffalo. Bob Bob & Dee Carroll Westport on Lake Champlain, NY. Bob@shipstore.com www.westportmarina.com Ancestors of Bob and Dee: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rcarroll > Westchester, Rockland, Orange, and perhaps Putnam and Dutchess counties. As > Mac stated, Northern NY is not really a specific area of NY; I would consider > anywhere north of where I lived in Warren County to be Northern NY

Hi Mary: Have you tried to find the marriage of your ancestors in " Marriages of Clinton County" by, Benoit Pontbriand? A kind person found my Irish born grandfather, who was married in Plattsburgh in 1873. Of course, I realize that your ancestor was married at a much earlier time. Good luck. Harriet > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > NYCLINTO List Administrator: > sandyclan@pacific.net.au > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > This message was scanned and certified Virus Free by Alexssa | HNet. > www.alexssa.net > www.hnet.net _______________________________________________________________________ This message was scanned and certified Virus Free by Alexssa | HNet. www.alexssa.net www.hnet.net

I grew up in Clinton & Warren counties and now live in Bergen County, NJ, which borders on New York City and Upstate New York. It took me a while to realize that when they talked about "Upstate" NY -- which is really in southern NY -- on the news, etc., they were not referring to Northern NYS. Anyone searching for ancestors who came from Upstate NY should be looking in Westchester, Rockland, Orange, and perhaps Putnam and Dutchess counties. As Mac stated, Northern NY is not really a specific area of NY; I would consider anywhere north of where I lived in Warren County to be Northern NY, but that's just me. Michelle

A year or so ago there was a discussion of hotels in the area of Dannemora/Saranac, etc. I can't find it in the archives. Can anyone give me the name of a clean, safe, inexpensive hotel/motel. Thanks. Mary Mary Slack Maynard Thank you St. Jude and St. Theresa for your powerful intercession. Researching Slack, Gregory, Hopper, Bigalow, Nichols, Dunning, Mead, Fish in NY & NE, Perry/ CT, Nash, Maginn/McGinn, Donahue, Vokes in NY & Ire, Aird & Crombie/ NY & Scot

Mac, I live in St. Law. Co. and we consider anything north of Syacuse as heading into Northern New York. Gary ---- Original Message ----- From: "Sharmac Villa" <moonandsixpence@verizon.net> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > Glenn, > > I'm not quite sure how Keeseville got into this, but, no - definitely not! The area from Lake Champlain to the St. Lawrence county line would be a defininition of "Northern New York". Naturally, the Adirondack (northern) area would be a part. Upstate is a term use by people in New York City - always has been. To them, the Catskills are the country and in "days of yore" they knew nothing of the area beyond that. When I was a boy, in Dannemora, Saturday Evening Post Magazine did an article about the prison there and referred to the area as "Little Siberia". > > The point I was trying to make, was this; When you see "Upstate New York" in an article, think of this relationship: Upstate---a New York City terminology___ Northern - a resident's terminology. That's all. > > Mac > > > -- Original Message ----- > From: Gleann Rock > To: NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > > > Dear Mac, > I appreciate the help and I understand the confusion, so how's this, when > I'm talking about down state I'm talking about everything south of > Keeseville, and when I'm talking about upstate I'm talking about everything > north of Keeseville. > Thanks You, > Glenn LaRocque > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/ > >

Glenn, I'm not quite sure how Keeseville got into this, but, no - definitely not! The area from Lake Champlain to the St. Lawrence county line would be a defininition of "Northern New York". Naturally, the Adirondack (northern) area would be a part. Upstate is a term use by people in New York City - always has been. To them, the Catskills are the country and in "days of yore" they knew nothing of the area beyond that. When I was a boy, in Dannemora, Saturday Evening Post Magazine did an article about the prison there and referred to the area as "Little Siberia". The point I was trying to make, was this; When you see "Upstate New York" in an article, think of this relationship: Upstate---a New York City terminology___ Northern - a resident's terminology. That's all. Mac -- Original Message ----- From: Gleann Rock To: NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn Dear Mac, I appreciate the help and I understand the confusion, so how's this, when I'm talking about down state I'm talking about everything south of Keeseville, and when I'm talking about upstate I'm talking about everything north of Keeseville. Thanks You, Glenn LaRocque

Dear Mac, I appreciate the help and I understand the confusion, so how's this, when I'm talking about down state I'm talking about everything south of Keeseville, and when I'm talking about upstate I'm talking about everything north of Keeseville. Thanks You, Glenn LaRocque ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharmac Villa" <moonandsixpence@verizon.net> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > FYI; > > The term "upstate" in New York State terminology usually means the area North of New York City. Having been born and raised in the area of Clinton and Franklin Counties, we always used the term "Northern New York" and, I think, today, they use Northern as well.The area phone book is entitled "North Country". If you have a person who settled in "Upstate New York", I wouldn't put much hope in finding them in this area. > > Mac > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gleann Rock > To: NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > > > Jan, > Alexander Blanchard Br. 1794, Moses (Merrill?) Collins Br. 1770, Benjamin > Collins Br. 1797. I know Alexander fought in the war and eventually settled > in up-state NY. I do not know Residences. I know very little about these old > timers. > Thank You, > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan J." <jnrose@webtv.net> > To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:09 AM > Subject: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > > > > Hi Glenn, > > There are 21 BLANCHARD and 24 COLLINS soldiers who fought in the War of > > 1812-14. What are the first names, towns of residence, of the soldiers > > you are seeking? > > Cheers, Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/ > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/ > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > NYCLINTO List Administrator: > sandyclan@pacific.net.au

FYI; The term "upstate" in New York State terminology usually means the area North of New York City. Having been born and raised in the area of Clinton and Franklin Counties, we always used the term "Northern New York" and, I think, today, they use Northern as well.The area phone book is entitled "North Country". If you have a person who settled in "Upstate New York", I wouldn't put much hope in finding them in this area. Mac ----- Original Message ----- From: Gleann Rock To: NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn Jan, Alexander Blanchard Br. 1794, Moses (Merrill?) Collins Br. 1770, Benjamin Collins Br. 1797. I know Alexander fought in the war and eventually settled in up-state NY. I do not know Residences. I know very little about these old timers. Thank You, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan J." <jnrose@webtv.net> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > Hi Glenn, > There are 21 BLANCHARD and 24 COLLINS soldiers who fought in the War of > 1812-14. What are the first names, towns of residence, of the soldiers > you are seeking? > Cheers, Jan > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/ ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/

Jan, Alexander Blanchard Br. 1794, Moses (Merrill?) Collins Br. 1770, Benjamin Collins Br. 1797. I know Alexander fought in the war and eventually settled in up-state NY. I do not know Residences. I know very little about these old timers. Thank You, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan J." <jnrose@webtv.net> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [NYCLINTO] BLANCHARD_COLLINS for Glenn > Hi Glenn, > There are 21 BLANCHARD and 24 COLLINS soldiers who fought in the War of > 1812-14. What are the first names, towns of residence, of the soldiers > you are seeking? > Cheers, Jan > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/

Hi Glenn, There are 21 BLANCHARD and 24 COLLINS soldiers who fought in the War of 1812-14. What are the first names, towns of residence, of the soldiers you are seeking? Cheers, Jan

Jan, Do you have any Blanchard or Collins listings for the war of 1812? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan J." <jnrose@webtv.net> To: <NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: [NYCLINTO] Caleb MARTIN War 1812+ > "CALEB MARTIN. > Served in Capt. Wright's Company, Col. Martindale's Regt. Detached > Militia in U.S. service 2 months and 14 days, 1812. Served from April 12 > to April 21, 1814 in Capt. Edmund B. Hill's Company, Sumner's Regt." > > Source "State of Vermont ROSTER OF SOLIDERS IN THE WAR OF 1812-14", > prepared and published under the direction of Herbert T. Johnson, The > Adjutant General, 1933, page 283. > Transcribed by Jan Jordan > > <<Caleb Martin lived in South Hero, Grand Isle Vt. and may have fought > in this war. Cynde Parris cyndep@charter.net>> > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== > NYCLINTO List Administrator: > sandyclan@pacific.net.au

"CALEB MARTIN. Served in Capt. Wright's Company, Col. Martindale's Regt. Detached Militia in U.S. service 2 months and 14 days, 1812. Served from April 12 to April 21, 1814 in Capt. Edmund B. Hill's Company, Sumner's Regt." Source "State of Vermont ROSTER OF SOLIDERS IN THE WAR OF 1812-14", prepared and published under the direction of Herbert T. Johnson, The Adjutant General, 1933, page 283. Transcribed by Jan Jordan <<Caleb Martin lived in South Hero, Grand Isle Vt. and may have fought in this war. Cynde Parris cyndep@charter.net>>

"Below is a partial list of the U.S. Navy crew, enlistment for 2 years, of the brig 'Eagle', 8 cannons long (18 lbs.) and 12 (32 lbs.) Carronades. It does not include the names of the prisoners from the American army stockade who were enlisted at the last minute to help man the vessel. Among musicians, the list only gives name of those who were killed, and not of the five men and one musician's wife who survived. Otherwise, the list may be of the original crew that boarded her upon launch that summer of 1814. The complement during the battle was 142. Of the 57 listed from this roster, 15 were killed and 20 were wounded, 4 were sick in the hospital on Crab Island, and 4 deserted. Those listed as 'marines' were actually army infantry afloat. Note that '+' stands for killed and '*' stands for wounded. HENLEY, Robert, master command [Captain] SMITH, Joseph * 1st Lieutenant SPENCER, William * 2nd Lieutenant LOOMIS, Jarvis, master RECORDS, Daniel, sailing master MACHESNEY, William, midshipman CHAMBERLAIN, William, midshipman TARDY, Henry, midshipman BREEZE, Francis * master's mate VANDERMERE, Peter + master's mate WATERS, Abraham * pilot ALLEN, William C. * quartermaster WILSON, John, boatswain JOHNSON, Charles B., carpenter SMITH, Edward, gunner DUICK, James * quarter gunner STODDARD, Isaac, surgeon WILLIS, JAMES + seman RIBERO, John + seaman LINDMAN, Jacob + seaman MCEWAN, Andrew * seaman CONKLIN, Zebediah * seaman VALENTINE, Joseph * seaman HARTLEY, John * seaman MICKLAN, John * seaman BUCKLEY, Robert * seaman CRAIG, John * seaman MCKENNEY, John * seaman MOORE, Perkins + ordinary seaman WINSHIP, James + ordinary seaman ANWRIGHT, Thomas + ordinary seaman WILSON, Nace + ordinary seaman BOICE, Parnel + ordinary seaman LEWIS, Thomas + boy FITZGERALD, Aaron * boy GIBBS, Garrison, sick in hospital prior to battle DAVIS, John, sick in hospital prior to battle MALONEY, Thomas, sick in hospital prior to battle RICHARDSON, Joseph, sick in hospital prior to battle BOSTICK, Stephen, rank unlisted FREDERICK, Christend, rank unlisted MOORE, Cornelius, rank unlisted FOQUET, Joseph, rank unlisted SPRINGER, James, rank unlisted LEWIS, John, deserted Aug. 20th at Vergennes, VT BROWN, John, deserted Aug. 21st at Vergennes, VT LANE, Horace, deserted Aug. 25th at Vergennes, VT MORRISON, Joseph * Lieutenant, marine [U.S. Army] SCRIVER, Matthew * Marine MAINWARING, George * Marine WALLACE, John + Marine HEATON, Joseph + Marine JONES, Henry * Marine MCCARTY, John, Marine HALE, M. James + musician WOOD, John + musician WIER, William + sailmaker." Source is "The FINAL INVASION: Plattsburgh, the War of 1812's Most Decisive Battle", by Colonel David G. Fitz-Enz, 2001, pages 210, 211 and 212. Transcribed by Jan

Could you please do a lookup for me? Caleb Martin was living in South Hero Vermont during this time period and may have fought in the war. Thank you. Cynde Parris -----Original Message----- From: Jan J. [mailto:jnrose@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:24 AM To: NYCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYCLINTO] LOOKUPS Plattsburg Vets. 1812 Hi, Am willing to do free lookups of Vermont soldiers who fought at the Battle of Plattsburg, NY, in 1814. Jan Jordan ==== NYCLINTO Mailing List ==== Visit the Clinton Co NYGenWeb pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyclinto/

Sailors killed on the sloop, "Preble" during the Battle of Plattsburgh, NY, in 1814: CARTER, Rogers, Acting Sailing Master BOWE, Joseph, Boatswain's Mate. Crewmen killed on the "Borer" Gun Boat [galley]: SMITH, Arthur W. GILL, Thomas DAY, James. Crewman wounded in action on "Borer" Gun Boat [galley]: COBB, Ebenezer. Crewman wounded in action on "Centipede" Gun Boat [galley]: TAYLOR, James. Crewman wounded in action on "Wilmer" Gun Boat [galley]: FRANK, Peter." "The FINAL INVASION" by Colonel David G. Fitz-Enz, Appendix C, 2001, page 210. Transcribed by Jan

Sailors ounded in action on the schooner "Ticonderoga" in the Battle of Plattsburgh, NY, in 1814: CASSIN, Patrick, Seaman GOUND, Ezekiel, Seaman SAWYER, Samuel, Seaman LE COUNT, William, Seaman COLLINS, Henry, Seaman CONDON, John, Marine. Sailors killed in action on the schooner "Ticonderoga" in the Battle of Plattsburgh, NY, in 1814: STANSBURY, John, Lieutenant FISHER, John, Boatswain's Mate ATKINSON, John, Boatswain's Mate JOHNSON, Henry, Seaman THINK, Deodrick, Marine SHARP, John, Marine. "The FINAL INVASION" by Colonel David G. Fitz-Enz, Appendix C, 2001, pages 209 and 210. Transcribed by Jan

Sailors wounded in action on the "Saratoga" at Battle of Plattsburgh, NY in 1814: "BALDWIN, James M., Acting Midshipman BARRON, Joseph, Pilot GARY, Robert, Quarter Gunner CASSIN, George, Quarter Master HOLLINGWORTH, John, seaman ROBINSON, Thomas, seaman SMITH, Purnall, seaman OTTIWELL, John, seaman THOMPSON, John, ordinary seaman TABEE, William, ordinary seaman WILLIAMS, William, ordinary seaman ROBERSON, John, seaman TOWNS, John, landsman SHAYS, John, seaman HAMMOND, John S., seaman BARLOW, James, seaman NAGLE, James, ordinary seaman LANMAN, John, seaman COLBERG, Peter, seaman NEWTON, William, ordinary seaman HEIDMONT, Neil J., seaman STEWARD, James, seaman ADAMS, John, landsman RATCHE, Charles, seaman JACKSON, Benjamin, Marine VANHORN, Jesse, Marine KETTER, Joseph, Marine PEARSON, Samuel, Marine." "The FINAL INVASION" by Colonel David G. Fitz-Enz, Appendix C, 2001, pages 208 and 209. Transcribed by Jan