Dear Susan, First of all, thank you so much for all your work. The information you've been putting on the list has been very interesting. I hope we don't give you "burn-out". I'm looking for William BEDELL, primarily. I know he is in "The Histories of Clinton and Franklin Counties, NY", but I've yet to be able to read what it says. I'm most interested in what church he was affilliated, but, frankly, any information will be greatly appreciated. If there are more than one, he's the preacher who lived in Plattsburg (or near there) around 1800 to about 1830. He also has a son named William, and I think there's another William in a separate part of the county. Seneca BEDELL is another of his sons. I thought he might stand out some since his first name is fairly uncommon. There are variations in the spelling "BEDELL", including "BEDLE", "BEEDLE", and "BEDEL". Thank you again, Judy

Susan- Thank you for your offer. Do you have any information about Joseph Gonyea/Gagne/Gagnier, etc or Agapit Brien? Thanks in advance. -Marie

Hi Sue, I did not have anything on your Daniel FOX but I thought some of these might fill in some empty spaces. FOX, Alanson, 42, one of the judges of Warren Co., d 7/13/29 in NYC. His body was brought to the vault "of the Hon. Mr. LANSING of Lansingburgh later to be interred in the FOX burying ground at the home of the deceased in Chester, Warren Co." - Daily Albany Argus 7/24/29 FOX, Jabez, Esq., 35, clerk of Herkimer Co., d in Herkimer - Otsego Herald/Freemen's Journal 2/7/25 FOX, Jacob M. (Col.), 83, (a Rev. Officer) d 11/27/24 in Decatur (buried with Masonic Honors) - Otsego Herald/Freemen's Journal 12/6/24 FOX, Jonas of Ephratah d "recently". Dr. L. DOTY testified ("death by intoxification".) at the inquest. - Daily Albany Argus 6/30/29 FOX, Leander m Jane Ann WIGG(?), both of Poughkeepsie - Poughkeepsie Journal 11/14/32 FOX, Sarah, 35, (formerly of Otsego Co., NY) consort of Rev. James A. of Pinchneyville, Mississippi and sister of J. A.. OTIS, Esq. of Otsego Co., NY d 6/24/26 "on her passage from New Orleans to New York". - Otsego Herald/Freemen's Journal 8/14/26 -----Original Message----- From: Susan Fox <[email protected]> To: Susan Jones <[email protected]> Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [VT-L] I'm BACK - look-ups again >Hi Susan, > >Thank you so much for your kind offers to do look ups!!! > >I am looking for information on: > >Daniel Fox and his wife Bridget Fox (nee Kenner) > >Thank you, >Susan Fox >[email protected] > > > > look-ups in my two NY books: 10,000 Vital Records of Eastern, NY >1777-1834 >> and History of Clinton and Franklin Counties, NY. Because of the later >> book, if you give a request, please tell me the given name as well as >> surname. > > >

Hi Cheron, 10,000 Vital Records 1777-1834 GIBSON, Colin, 70, m 10/15/07 Peggy MILLER, 18, both of Cambridge, in Cambridge; Jesse FAIRCHILD, Esq. - Poughkeepsie Journal 11/3/07 GIBSON, Isaac, s of Late Wood GIBSON, Esq. of Liverpool (Eng.?) m 7/27/29 Magdalen R. POST of Liverpool (Eng.?) in NYC; Rev. Dr. WAINRIGHT - Daily Albany Argus 7/30/29 GIBSON, Isabella, 18 mo, dau of John, d 8/21/31 in Albany - Daily Albany Argus 8/22/31 GIBSON, John m. 9/13/34 Mary Ann THOMAS in Clintonville; R. WILLIAMS, Esq. All of Peru, NY - Plattsburgh Republican 9/27/34 GIBSON, Lewis, Esq. of the firm of Bridges and Gibson, merchants, in Augusta, Ga. m 7/28/30 Almira Brooks CLARKE, dau of Lot, Esq. of Lockport, NY in Lockport; Rev. SMITH - Daily Albany Argus 8/3/30 No John GIBSON mentioned in History of Clinton and Franklin Counties Sue -----Original Message----- From: Cheron <[email protected]> To: Susan Jones <[email protected]> Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [VT-L] I'm BACK - look-ups again >Hey Susan, > >Welcome back. Now that you've got some New York data I thought I'd try >with a deadend name I have tried to break through for years. All I have >is the state he was born in, New York, and his date of birth, maybe >you'll find him and I'll get lucky (even old married folks like me still >get "lucky" sometimes!) > >Anyway, his name is JOHN GIBSON, born June 1799, New York > >Any John Gibson in the New York references show up? > >Thanks again, >Cheri

Hi Nancy, On the Surname BROCKWAY; this is what I was able to find: 10,000 Vital Records 1777-1834: BROCKWAY, _____; inf s of Reed BROCKWAY, d 3/10/21 in Troy - Lansingburgh Gazette/Troy Budget 3/20/21 BROCKWAY, Daniel m 2/6/23 Diana THOMAS; Rev. GRIFFIN - Lansingburgh Gazette/Troy Budget 2/11/23 BROCKWAY, Hannah, 49, wf of Levi, d 10/9/35 in Otsego - Otsego Herald/Freemen's Journal 10/17/35 BROCKWAY, Hiram S. m 1/1/22 Betsey GRAVES, both of Chazy, in Chazy; Rev. Joel BYINGTON - Plattsburgh Republican 1/5/22 BROCKWAY, Lathrop of Clinton (Oneida Co.) m Merilla TICKNOR of Springfield in Springfield; Rev. PUTNAM - Otsego Herald/Freemen's Journal 1/27/23 BROCKWAY, Marilla, 26, wf of Lathrop d. 12/16/23 in Clinton (Oneida Co.) - Otsego Herald/Freemen's Journal 12/29/23 HISTORY OF CLINTON AND FRANKLIN COUNTIES, NY 1880 No Entries -----Original Message----- From: nancycay <[email protected]> To: Susan Jones <[email protected]> Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [VT-L] I'm BACK - look-ups again Brockway >Susan, I am going to jump in here before you get swamped again. How good >of you to do this. > I am looking for Ephriam Brockway and Joseph Brockway >

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Thanks, Mary At 04:25 PM 11/11/1999 -0800, you wrote: >NYCLINTO-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 162 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Di [[email protected]] > #2 Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Di [Michael Houde <[email protected]] > #3 Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Di [Steven & Ann Mensch <Mensch-Family] > #4 [NYCLINTO-L] PLATTSBURGH - CIVIL W ["Susan Jones" <[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from NYCLINTO-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:23:15 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Digest V99 #160 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >What I find interesting and a mystery is that my grandfather was born in 1882 >and I have the records of St Josephs church in Dannemora N.Y. where he was >baptised, Aug , 1882. This summer while visiting I too discovered that the >church was not established until 1883. Can anyone explain?? Margo > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:43:18 -0500 >From: Michael Houde <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Digest V99 #160 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello everybody, > > First off I'd like to thank Kris for this information. It solved one >puzzle for me. I could never figure out the marriage date for my >g-g-g-grandparents Ernest Roberts and Philomene Demers or Soulard was >for a time after I knew thay had at least children baptised. > Secondly, can anybody help me to interpret the reference to Lyon >Mountain below. This is the church they went to. Where is Redford? The >way I'm reading it, from 1870 to 1881, people from Lyon Mountain went to >Redford for marriages and baptisms. Is that right? > >Mike > >The Goszka's wrote: >> >> I have read {in MARRIAGES (1830-1880) CLINTON COUNTY (NEW YORK) by Benoit >> Pontbriand} that early on they had "traveling pastors" or missionaries that >> would be stationed at a mission. >> >> Also, there apparently was something called a "rehabilitated marriage". >> These will sometimes be found in Catholic church records. It was >> essentially a second marriage. The couple would have been married by a >> squire or Protestant Minister, and sometime after that (I think with in 7 >> years), the couple would be "re-married", or have the marriage >> "rehabilitated" by a Catholic priest. > >> St. Bernard in Lyon Mountain, established 1881, resident pastor 1894, >> mission of Redford 1870. >> > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:20:24 -0500 >From: Steven & Ann Mensch <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Digest V99 #160 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi, >I am not an expert, but in my research, I have found that the dates reported for >the establishment of a church may vary for several reasons. >Some parishes may develop rather quickly, as a town with the coming of the >railroad may have had a large jump in population very quickly. Other parishes >may develop slowly - A few people may move to an area where there is no >settlement/town...These people may request a priest or missionary to visit, or a >priest or missionary may come across them during their travels, and minister to >their spiritual needs....These people may set about building a church building >right away, and yet, not have a resident pastor...Or, the population and needs of >the area may prompt a priest or missionary to locate to the area before a church >building is there, and the priest may organize the building of the church himself >- If the latter is the case, there would likely be sacramental records prior to >the building of the church, since there would likely be baptisms, marriages, and >deaths during that interim... >There are different types of records which are kept, for example, sacramental >records, financial records, building records, land records, etc. >One author may be looking at the records for the actual building of the church, >and using that as the date of establishment; another may be using the dates of >the first sacramental records for members of the congregation (which could have >been kept locally, or at a parish which a visiting priest called home); yet >another could use the date that a parish church first had it's own resident >pastor, rather than a visiting pastor. >In other words, there is some degree of interpretation involved when using the >information contained in the many different types of records, and assessing which >of the different stages, in the development of a parish, to call "established". >I hope this makes sense and is helpful to you. >Respectfully, >--Ann Mensch >+Local Catholic Church History and Genealogy Research Guide and Worldwide >Directory >http://home.att.net/~Local_Catholic/ > >[email protected] wrote: > >> What I find interesting and a mystery is that my grandfather was born in 1882 >> and I have the records of St Josephs church in Dannemora N.Y. where he was >> baptised, Aug , 1882. This summer while visiting I too discovered that the >> church was not established until 1883. Can anyone explain?? Margo > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:19:28 -0500 >From: "Susan Jones" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [NYCLINTO-L] PLATTSBURGH - CIVIL WAR ROSTER >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi List, > >While I am taking a breather, I am letting you know that I just found the >CIVIL WAR ROSTER for the town of Plattsburgh. It is an extremely long list, >so there is no way I can put this up on the list. Once my "POP" server is >running properly, I will get this list over to the Clinton County webpage >and have it put up there. In the mean time, again, once my server is >working, I will take a request for 1 or 2 names only per mailing, to be fair >to everyone. I MUST have both a first and last name with your request. >Again, this is because of the length of the roster and it is NOT in >alphabetical order. Will take a little work and magnifying glass <G> to >find the names. > >Sue [email protected] >

HI Sue, thanks for the fast response. What are the vitals on those given names for Bertrand and Boyer? I show my Grandfather Alfred F. Bertrand had several brothers and sisters. And my GreatGrandfather Ovila Boyer had a Brother named Antoine. Where can I get those books your getting your info from? Churubusco is about 20miles east of Malone and several miles north of Ellenburg. I belong to the NNYACGS Genealogy Society. Thanks Again Sue John A. Boyer

Hello List, I am back and ready for the slaughter. <G> I am taking requests for look-ups in my two NY books: 10,000 Vital Records of Eastern, NY 1777-1834 and History of Clinton and Franklin Counties, NY. Because of the later book, if you give a request, please tell me the given name as well as surname. I have one hugh favor to ask. Please, no more than 2 Names per Request. I get soo many requests that, in order to be fair to everyone, and get more done, I MUST limit to number per request. You may send more than one request but I do first come, first serve. <G> It may take a little while to answer everyone's mail but I will do my best. Have fun and See you on the internet. <G> Oh, also, as an afterthought, if you do not see messages posted right away on the list, it is because my SERVER is acting up. Been having trouble for the past week. Sue [email protected]

Hi Cyndi, I found a Francis BELL listed under the town of Ellenburgh: Francis Bell - Co. H, NY H Art. No information on Michel under either spelling: BLAIZE or BALIZE Sue -----Original Message----- From: bj21 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 5:17 PM Subject: civil war roster civil war roster for Plattsburgh; I'm looking for information on Michel Blaize/Balize and Francis Bell. When you have the time and your server is working. Thanks Cyndi

Source: HISTORY OF CLINTON AND FRANKLIN COUNTIES, NY 1880 Page: 212 "The village fire department was organized on July 31, 1878. Henry M. MOULD was appointed Chief Engineer, W. G. POPE, First Assistant Engineer, and George H. SMITH Second Assistant Engineer. Hose and hook-and-ladder companies were organized at the same time, the former with 17 members, and the latter with 15 members. The officers of the hose company subsequently chosen were: Foreman, W. H. BECKWITH; First Assistant Engineer, H. F. GAINES; Second Assistant Engineer, J. D. CORD; Secretary; N. L. NOLLETTE; Treasurer, H. R. MOON. On April 29, 1875, an act of the Legislature was passed "to furnish pure and wholesome water to the inhabitants thereof." The board of water commissioners was organized with Heman O. MATTHEWS as President, and Rufus PRESCOTT as Secretary and Treasurer. The second annual election of the village was held on March 18, 1879, and resulted in the choice of the following officers: Charles F. TABOR, President; Willis MOULD, Rufus PRESCOTT, and Heman O. MATTHEWS, Trustees; George ADGATE, Treasurer; William T. AMES, Collector, Edmund K. BABER was reappointed clerk. On June 23, 1879, owing to the death of Mr. ADGATE, George H. CLEAVES was appointed treasurer of the village."

"The military history of the town is quite brief. During the war of 1812 the town contained but a few settlers. Of these Apollos AUSTIN, John and Simeon WOOD, Isaac MARSH, Ezekiel DOUGLASS, Garduer GOODSPEED, and others took part in the war. In the support of the national government in the war of 1861-65 the town was prompt and earnest. The following list, compiled by the clerk of the town in 1865, furnishes the names of those who served in the army from the town:" Thomas Finnegan , 2nd NY Cav. Joseph Slater, 2nd NY Cav. Curtis Esty, 14th NY Art. Ersatus W. Leavitt, 1st NY Eng Henry C. Beach, 5th NY Cav Eugene Orms, 14th NY Art. R. W. Carter, 5th NY Cav. Christopher Surlia, 1st NY Eng. Chester Steel, 14th NY Art. Anselm B. Parsons, 118th NY Inf. Duncan H. McGregor, 153d NY Vols. Lafayette Warson, 95th NY Vols. Edwin P. Palmer, 14th NY Art. Arthur McKinney, 14th NY Art. Hiram Pettis, 14th NY Art. Seth Stark, 96th NY Inf. Russell Cork 96th NY Inf. Lewis Trombly 16th NY Inf. Mitchel Boree, 3d NY Cav. Levi Rock, 3d NY Cav. Joseph Peryea, 1st NY Eng. Alfred Fisher, 3d NY Cav. Francis Borean, 3d NY Cav. Henry Peryea, 1st NY Eng. Xavier Bunil, 153d NY Vols. Vincent Pocket, 16th NY Cav. Peter Trombly, 16th NY Cav. Hiram Elder,91st NY Vols. Joseph F. Baker, 91st NY Vols. Samuel C. White 91st NY Vols. Nelson Branch, 6th NY H Art. John Hood, 153d NY Vols. George Brimble, 91st NY Vols. Almon Morsh 91st NY Vols. George Staves, 1st NY Eng. William Smith, 91st NY Vols. Albert F. Helmes, 3d NY Art. Charles Herrick 5th NY Cav. Elijah G. Vogan, 1st NY Eng. Joseph Bunell, 153d NY Vols. John Lamountain, 153d NY Vols. Joseph Gardner, 153d NY Vols. Michael Kelley, 193d NY Vols. D. B. Lezott, 193d NY Vols. George Ingraham Napoleon Darceon Francis Gallarue William Montgomery Arthur Douglass Chas. Hunter Lewis Sherteus James Harvey Napoleon Durnas Michael Baker Oliver Bruss Edward Denacon

Hi Sue, I'm looking for any info on Constant Bertrand of Churubusco, NY and the parents of Ovila Boyer of Churubusco, NY. Thanks John A. Boyer

Hi, Just want to thank Sue for all the informative tidbits she plugs in to this list. Andree Florida

Redford, NY is on route 3 between Plattsburg and Saranac Lake and it is not far from Lyon Mountain. Just over the hill. The Browns of Penfield ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Houde <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Re: NYCLINTO-D Digest V99 #160 > Hello everybody, > > First off I'd like to thank Kris for this information. It solved one > puzzle for me. I could never figure out the marriage date for my > g-g-g-grandparents Ernest Roberts and Philomene Demers or Soulard was > for a time after I knew thay had at least children baptised. > Secondly, can anybody help me to interpret the reference to Lyon > Mountain below. This is the church they went to. Where is Redford? The > way I'm reading it, from 1870 to 1881, people from Lyon Mountain went to > Redford for marriages and baptisms. Is that right? > > Mike > > The Goszka's wrote: > > > > I have read {in MARRIAGES (1830-1880) CLINTON COUNTY (NEW YORK) by Benoit > > Pontbriand} that early on they had "traveling pastors" or missionaries that > > would be stationed at a mission. > > > > Also, there apparently was something called a "rehabilitated marriage". > > These will sometimes be found in Catholic church records. It was > > essentially a second marriage. The couple would have been married by a > > squire or Protestant Minister, and sometime after that (I think with in 7 > > years), the couple would be "re-married", or have the marriage > > "rehabilitated" by a Catholic priest. > > > St. Bernard in Lyon Mountain, established 1881, resident pastor 1894, > > mission of Redford 1870. > > >

Hi List, While I am taking a breather, I am letting you know that I just found the CIVIL WAR ROSTER for the town of Plattsburgh. It is an extremely long list, so there is no way I can put this up on the list. Once my "POP" server is running properly, I will get this list over to the Clinton County webpage and have it put up there. In the mean time, again, once my server is working, I will take a request for 1 or 2 names only per mailing, to be fair to everyone. I MUST have both a first and last name with your request. Again, this is because of the length of the roster and it is NOT in alphabetical order. Will take a little work and magnifying glass <G> to find the names. Sue [email protected]

Hi, I am not an expert, but in my research, I have found that the dates reported for the establishment of a church may vary for several reasons. Some parishes may develop rather quickly, as a town with the coming of the railroad may have had a large jump in population very quickly. Other parishes may develop slowly - A few people may move to an area where there is no settlement/town...These people may request a priest or missionary to visit, or a priest or missionary may come across them during their travels, and minister to their spiritual needs....These people may set about building a church building right away, and yet, not have a resident pastor...Or, the population and needs of the area may prompt a priest or missionary to locate to the area before a church building is there, and the priest may organize the building of the church himself - If the latter is the case, there would likely be sacramental records prior to the building of the church, since there would likely be baptisms, marriages, and deaths during that interim... There are different types of records which are kept, for example, sacramental records, financial records, building records, land records, etc. One author may be looking at the records for the actual building of the church, and using that as the date of establishment; another may be using the dates of the first sacramental records for members of the congregation (which could have been kept locally, or at a parish which a visiting priest called home); yet another could use the date that a parish church first had it's own resident pastor, rather than a visiting pastor. In other words, there is some degree of interpretation involved when using the information contained in the many different types of records, and assessing which of the different stages, in the development of a parish, to call "established". I hope this makes sense and is helpful to you. Respectfully, --Ann Mensch +Local Catholic Church History and Genealogy Research Guide and Worldwide Directory http://home.att.net/~Local_Catholic/ [email protected] wrote: > What I find interesting and a mystery is that my grandfather was born in 1882 > and I have the records of St Josephs church in Dannemora N.Y. where he was > baptised, Aug , 1882. This summer while visiting I too discovered that the > church was not established until 1883. Can anyone explain?? Margo

Hello everybody, First off I'd like to thank Kris for this information. It solved one puzzle for me. I could never figure out the marriage date for my g-g-g-grandparents Ernest Roberts and Philomene Demers or Soulard was for a time after I knew thay had at least children baptised. Secondly, can anybody help me to interpret the reference to Lyon Mountain below. This is the church they went to. Where is Redford? The way I'm reading it, from 1870 to 1881, people from Lyon Mountain went to Redford for marriages and baptisms. Is that right? Mike The Goszka's wrote: > > I have read {in MARRIAGES (1830-1880) CLINTON COUNTY (NEW YORK) by Benoit > Pontbriand} that early on they had "traveling pastors" or missionaries that > would be stationed at a mission. > > Also, there apparently was something called a "rehabilitated marriage". > These will sometimes be found in Catholic church records. It was > essentially a second marriage. The couple would have been married by a > squire or Protestant Minister, and sometime after that (I think with in 7 > years), the couple would be "re-married", or have the marriage > "rehabilitated" by a Catholic priest. > St. Bernard in Lyon Mountain, established 1881, resident pastor 1894, > mission of Redford 1870. >

Here is email adrss that I have met over the net- she will be able to direct you the info on the cemetery --- Susan Jones <[email protected]> Pete in Tx [email protected] Marge Sebok wrote: > I would like to know if anyone has any information on the Riverside Cemetery > in Plattsburgh. I would like to send a letter out but have been unable to > find where to write to. Thank you in advance for any help . > Marge > New Jersey

What I find interesting and a mystery is that my grandfather was born in 1882 and I have the records of St Josephs church in Dannemora N.Y. where he was baptised, Aug , 1882. This summer while visiting I too discovered that the church was not established until 1883. Can anyone explain?? Margo

Marge, I found a book at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C., "Tombstone Inscriptions From Selected Cemeteries of Clinton County, New York", compiled by Margaret Hunt, July 1967-1968. It had several pages of Riverside County tombstone inscriptions. Unfortunately that is not a page that I copied. If you called the DAR Library I'm sure that they would copy what you needed (for a fee). Also in the introduction she wrote that she had previously completed compiling the book "Tombstone Inscriptions from Riverside Cemetery, Plattsburg, NY". I am not sure if the library also had this book or not as I only looked at the first one and it was quite by accident that I found it about 20 minutes before the library closed. Hope this helps. Pat Marge Sebok wrote: > > I would like to know if anyone has any information on the Riverside Cemetery > in Plattsburgh. I would like to send a letter out but have been unable to > find where to write to. Thank you in advance for any help . > Marge > New Jersey