In a message dated 01/04/2000 11:21:02 AM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Does Clinton County or any of the towns in the county, maintain vital records books as do other counties and towns in other states? >> Hi Sue, As you know, I have searched faithfully for my ancestors in Clinton County, NY, to no avail. The only thing I found in state records was Elijah WHITE's deed, where his children sold his property after he died in 1877, but I had to give them the exact page number, etc. in order to have them copy it. They would not search for it. New York has got to be one of the worst state for vital records and to search in. I found where Elijah was buried, by writing to a Mrs. Zaumetzger who sent me some info on Elijah's grave. Luckily, I found where Elijah, Jr. came from Whiting, VT and that he was born in MA, (from his father's rev war papers.) When I got into the MA. sites, I found tons of info on Elijah Jr, Elijah Sr and Sr's parents. I wish all states were like MA. Almost all of Elijah WHITE, Jr's info in NY came from lookups that kind people did for me or from the BABBITT Family Assoc. and Book. marykell

Marge, When you make a request to Albany or Plattsburgh, just put down Clinton County if you are sure that this was the county where he died. Also, if you have the date and access to a good library or from the LDS, check the newspapers of Clinton County for that time period. You may find a death or funeral notice. Then you may even be able to find that the funeral home that was used is still in business and get information from their records. That would be great. Just realize, when you write to Albany, it will be at least 6 months before you get an answer back from them. Sue [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Vital Records Books for Clinton County >To Thomas , Were those death records you found in Plattsburg Probate Court >for all of Clinton County. I am looking for the death of my gr-grandfather >who died of TB around 1885 in Clinton County but I do not know where he >died. His wife and children were in Dannemora at the time but he did not die >there. Any suggestion? Margo > >

Hi Margo, You would think that the date 1882, Albany would have the record. They state from 1880 on it was mandatory. If the death took place up in Clinton County, What about the McLellan Cemetery Index? I have found some interesting information I knew nothing about on those indexes. The only way it will not be listed, so they say, is, if they were buried on a private cemetery or plot. These are for public cemeteries only. Sue [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Vital Records Books for Clinton County >New York State is a tough one to get records. I to know my Grandfather was >born there in Clinton County in 1882 and the State has no records on his >birth or his sisters or his mothers second marriage. I know it all happened >there because I have the church records. Unfortunately I can not find my Gr >Grandfathers death record anywhere in NY state. Margo > >

Hi Thomas, Lucky you. Must have been your accent. :-D They wouldn't even talk to me. They couldn't figure out if I was a Yankee or one of them "Damn Southerners". I guess I am a cross. :-D Born and raised NH and lived now for 34 years in Florida. Can't quite make up my mind which I am. Anyway, I came armed to the teeth to Plattsburgh with everything but the documents of the 1800s. That is what I have been searching for. Found 1 will through a distant cousin but, with the name like Roberts, you need those doc's to prove parentage and marriage. Otherwise, the names in the will are meaningless. How many John Roberts have you tried searching for just in NY? It is worse than Jones or Morgan down South. Done both of those. I think we genealogists ought to do as they are doing in Canada in regards to release of their census records. They have bombarded their congressmen to release them. We should be able to go to our local town or county clerk, order any document from any state or country and get those documents. We would pay our own clerks the money and save all the hassle and hair pulling. Wouldn't that be a dream come true? You have a nice evening and will talk with you again. Sue [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W. Perrin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Vital Records Books for Clinton County >I recently visited the Surrogate Court's (Probate Court) offices in Plattsburgh, >and was able to find some records of deceased ancestors. Unfortunately, not the >ones I really wanted to find, but nevertheless useful. The records there go back >to the late 1790's but are not complete with respect to all deaths in the County. >In my limited experience, the probate records in St. Lawrence County were better >organized and kept. > >

Hi Marykell, I know exactly what you mean. The White surname is as bad as my Roberts surname. I the the will of one of my Roberts who moved from VT to NY. He mentions his children by name 5-6 times during the will but that does not prove your relative is the son being spoken off in the will. Without some kind of paper that states who the parents were, the will is only for intestesting reading. I know it is a direct relative but DAR does not. I even have the application of a cousin whose relative into the Roberts line was the sister of my elusive Roberts. again, without the parentage of my line, who is to say I am correct. Could go bald pulling my hair out on this family. Like you said, the records from VT and MA were easy even though the dates were much earlier. If I wasn't such a nice lady, :-) I would go up to NY and wring a few necks. <G> I am working up in Canada for the moment to close up a few loose documents on my Richardson line and then I will have all the documents back to the Rev. War. No doubting if I am right or wrong on this line. Talk with you later and good luck. Sure wish I had a crystal ball. Maybe I could find some of your loose ends for you. Sue [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] Vital Records Books for Clinton County >In a message dated 01/04/2000 11:21:02 AM Mountain Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > ><< Does Clinton County or any of the towns > in the county, maintain vital records books as do other counties and towns > in other states? >> > >Hi Sue, >As you know, I have searched faithfully for my ancestors in Clinton County, >NY, to no avail. The only thing I found in state records was Elijah WHITE's >deed, where his children sold his property after he died in 1877, but I had >to give them the exact page number, etc. in order to have them copy it. They >would not search for it. New York has got to be one of the worst state for >vital records and to search in. I found where Elijah was buried, by writing >to a Mrs. Zaumetzger who sent me some info on Elijah's grave. Luckily, I >found where Elijah, Jr. came from Whiting, VT and that he was born in MA, >(from his father's rev war papers.) When I got into the MA. sites, I found >tons of info on Elijah Jr, Elijah Sr and Sr's parents. I wish all states were >like MA. Almost all of Elijah WHITE, Jr's info in NY came from lookups that >kind people did for me or from the BABBITT Family Assoc. and Book. >marykell > >

Hi List, I am just curious about one thing. Does Clinton County or any of the towns in the county, maintain vital records books as do other counties and towns in other states? I am looking for records but apparently the actual records do not exist. I have just received copies from Vital Record books for both Attleboro and Norton, Mass. for the birth and marriage of a Rev. War relative. As you can tell, these records are for the 1700s. I am searching for only the 1800s in Clinton County. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I have already written to the State, County and Town in which the events took place. Paid a lot of money for nothing. I know it was not required until 1880 or 1881 but the same holds true for Mass. and other states, yet I can get vital records from them. Sue [email protected]

Hi List, I have a small listing of the Marriages that took place at the FIRST STANFORD BAPTIST CHURCH in Bangal, Dutchess County, NY. Many of our Clinton ancestors were married at this church, for some reason. Hope this is of some help to all of you. This is, more or less, just an index or listing of the event, but it may prove that they were indeed married there and on that date. Spellings are typed as they appear on the pages. Sue [email protected] MARRIAGES - 1776 Zechariah MOSHER to Sarah MERIHEW, May 19 Alden BENNIT to Elizabeth VEATL(?), June 3. Gidden WILBOUR to Ruth BARTHOLICK(?), August 25. Wilbour EARLL to Phebe BADGLY, December 26. Stephen ADSIT to Mary PURDY, December 26. John ALLEN to Silve HOWARD, December 12. Marthew BACKWITH to Abigel BARMORE, December 29. 1777 Caleb FISH to Dabrory FISH, February 13 Ezekiel DAVIS to Sarah PALMER, February 23. Comfort FINCH to Mary CASH, February 27. John HOAGE to Marget MOSHER, March 2. Leamwell WILLIAMS to Abbi LAMB, March 4. Ames WICKS to Marsey SHAW, April 17. Vine ASTTAN(?) or ALLAN(?) to Dabrouah SHERWOOD, June 12. Robart SIMES to Ebee BULS(?) or BEELS, July 17. Francis OLIVITT to Rhody KNAP, September 21. Stephen HOLMAS to Mary WILLIAMS, October 13. Robart JACKSON to Kethrean BLASSDALL, October 15. Giddon TOUSLE to Anne MOON, November 6. Nathaniel PALMER to Elizabeth HUSTED, November 19. Samuel ADSIT, Jr. to Phebe PURDY, November 27. Joseph STRAIN to Liddy REYNOLDS, December 7. 1778 Stephen WICKHAM to Marget REYNOLDS, January 17 James FORSTER to Hannah WIKHAM, February 24. Elijah CAMFEILD to Abigel PHEARIS, February 24 William JONES to Mary TABER, Apriel 2. Nehemiah CROFOOT to Anne LAMB, Apriel 2. Elias WICKHAM to Hannah JONSON, apriel 5. Pardon BURLIUGHAM to Cataren BELDING, Apriel 20. George DOUTY to Cornele DEGNEE, May 11. Joseph SOTHERLAND to Mary BROWN, May 19. Thomas BULLOCK to Rachel HIGHT, May 21. John MILL to Lidy PALMER, May 28. Samuel WILBOUR to Cornele BICE, June 11. Jacob VAN CAMP to Mary HEARRENTON (HARRINGTON?), June 21. 1782 Elisha CONINGHAM to Esther COCK, March 28 Nathan DAVIES to Anne LAMB, April 28. Timothy HOW to Zeprea CASH, April 14. 1784 William CASE to Elizabeth TRIPP, Feb. 5. Henery SOPER to Hannah THON (THORN?), Feb. 26. John WHITE to Sarah GIFFORD, Feb. 26. Caleb HOGG to *Thomas TRIPP, Feb.. 26 *(note: this is what was written) Nathaniel POTTER to Ruth PALMER, Feb. 26. Joseph HARRICE to Mary NORTHRUP, Feb. 29. Gilbart EARLLY to Dabrouah ADGET, March 7. Nathaniel CHYMAN(?) to Charlotte LAYTEN(?) or LASTEN(?), March 10. Jacob WALTERMIAH to Marget PROYEN(?) or PROGEN(?), March 16. John GARSEY to Ruth NORTHRUP, March 21. Daniel HOAG to Phebe MOSHER, April 1. Josiah or Joseph HARRICK to Marget HIX, Apr. 28 William CONEROW to Rachel MERIHEW, May 2. Stephen WOOD to Elizabeth CORNELL, June 21. Joseph TREPP to Debourah BRIGG, July 29. John MeDOLL(?) or McDOLL(?) to Salome HUDLESTON, Aug. 1. Thomas HENERY to Mary FOX, Aug. 16. Stephen SMITH to Elizabeth MARTAIN, Aug. 26. Ephram STOUGHTBOURGH to Rebeka __EATSON, Oct. 7. Elijah SHAW to Elizebeth STORY, Oct. 17. Peter FINCH to Phebe HOGGES, Oct. 31. Oliver DEVINE to Mary AVARY, Oct. 31. Henery STWART to Joennah LEWES, Nov. 4. John VAN SICKLEN to Elizebeth SEAMONS, Nov. 7 __ewes WINESS to Martha CULVER, Nov. 7. Gilbard HUNT to Unus HUSTED, Dec. 3. William(?) HUMFERY to Silve WILLCOX, Dec. 9. James STOUG[HTEN]BOURG to Marget SIMSON, Dec. 21. Roger DENNEY to Elizebeth DEGARSEY, Dec. 23 Silas WINAS to Elizabeth HOW, Dec. 23. 1785 George REED to Mary WHITE, Jan. 9. Comfort MARKS to Mary FINCH, Jan 13. William SLATER to Mary LOVE, Jan. 20 Hormer GROVESTEEN to Hannah ADGET, Feb. 3. Phillip TITUS to Hannah BEDEL, Feb. 13. Elisha BURDNIK to Hannah GREEN, Feb. 17 Henery PADDOCK to Rhoda HUDDELSTON, Feb. 24. David PARK to Catteran NORTH, Mar. 6. John BADGLEY to May DODGE, Apr. 17 Joseph SHADBOULT to Mary POST, Apr. 17. Gideon ALLEN to Elizabeth PARRY, May 19. James GARDENEAR to Unes SOULE, May 29 Daniel HAIGHT to Martha CHESMEN, May 30. Daniel FLINN(?) to Elizabeth BABCOCK, June 5. James CRANKHIGHT to Rachel WOOLEY, June 20. Caleb FORSTER to Rachel HUSTED, July 7. Zadock MILLER to Tripsey HOGGE, Sept. 22. Benjamin AVERY to Mary ASTEN (AUSTIN?), Oct. 11.

Hello List, Before I post any of the newspaper info for the Morning Telegram on the surnames I was researching. I need to know if it permissible to do so. I received all this information months ago from a person who does this research on the Clinton County genweb site. There is a charge for this information to receive it from him. If I should not put the information I received on the following surnames, I will not post it to this list. The surnames I received some kind of information on were: DUFF, BEMAN, HARRIS, MCINTYRE, ROBERTS. All these surnames are in my family lineage and at one time or another, living in Clinton County. That is why I ordered the Morning Telegram Newspaper notices. Thank-you for your advice. I do not want to get into trouble or make anyone mad by posting something I shouldn't. Sue [email protected]

Happy 2000, Listers... Thought for sure I had a date of death for Dr. Charles Winslow Arthur of Keeseville. He was the son of Joshua Van Rensselaer Arthur and Almira Lake... lived an practiced medicine right there in Clinton County. Born in 1844. I could have sworn his body was interred right there in Evergreen Cemetery in Keeseville in my family's plot. Was sure I had the death date recorded, too, but it is nowhere to be found. Does anyone happen to know what that date might have been? Have checked Ancestry.com, the LDS site and Family Tree Maker to no avail. Thanks, everyone. Susan Willig

In a message dated 12/31/1999 4:40:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Would that be $1.50 and $.25 for each cemetery in Plattsburgh for Roberts for a total of $10.50 >> Hi Sue, I ordered cemetery records from Mclellan and it was $1.50 and $.25 for each. They were well worth it though. I found lots of relatives in them. marykell

Dear Andree, Have you recieved any e-mail from me lately? I found another anastasie St. Michel who m. deniis Dragon. There were births for 6 children. If you want this let me know. Betty Clarke -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYCLINTO-L] STEBBINS/STEBENNE >Hi Howard, >First, my gggreat grandma was Marie-Louise Stebenne from St-Mathias de >Rouville, Quebec. If you need Quebec data I have some. >Now for Keeseville, here are the baptisms: >Sara Elisabeth born to Ofter Stebbens and Sara Binrt(?) on Aprl 15, 1866 >Georges Alfred born to Abraham Steben and Rosalie Limoges on Sept 13, 1863 >Georges Munro born to Arthur Steben and Soeva Burt on March 18, 1861 >Noe born to Abraham Stebenne and Rosalie Limoges on Sept. 27, 1857 >Regards, >Andree >Florida >

Dear Howard, I am that lady and amvery sorry not to have answered sooner but I have been having health problems, a pinched nerve in my back. Don,t have one if you can help it. I found it very limiting. I see that Andree sent you the message about the Stebbins., the same info that I had. Betty Clarke -----Original Message----- From: Howard A Stebbins <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 2:32 PM Subject: [NYCLINTO-L] STEBBINS/STEBENNE >Hi Fellow members, > Some nice lady, I don't remember her name and didn't make a copy of >the E-mail I sent, wrote a book about the R. C. Church in Keesville. I >thought she would look for my G.Grandfather Andre LaRock but she told me >instead that there were three STEBBINS births recorded in the church. >Perhaps the lady is busy with the Holidays and did not have time for a >look up. If that is the case I will patiently wait for a reply. HAPPY >NEW YEAR, > >Howard Stebbins >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >

Hi List, I know that this posting will be old to some of you but I am hoping there are enough new people on the list now to re-post my search on documents of my Roberts Family of Clinton County, NY. I have tried in vain to find these documents and as far as their religion goes, I believe they were all Protestants but do not know what denomination. 1. Darwin Robert born 1847 in Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY d. Apr. 15, 1915 Tyngsboro, Middlesex, MA m. Jan. 1, 1869 Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY. I have his death certificate. I am looking for his birth and marriage. spouse: Martha Amarilla Harris born Nov. 14, 1846 Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY (Parents: James Harris & Sarah Eliza McIntyre) I also need her birth certificate 2. John C. Roberts b. 1812 in Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY m. abt. 1846 Plattsburgh d. unknown but after 1855. (Parents: Joseph Roberts & Sarah Beman) I need all his documents. spouse: Harriet Stockwell - only information is she may have been born in Braintree, VT. 3. Joseph Roberts b. Oct. 24, 1776 in Vermont m. unknown , possibly in Vermont d. May 27, 1855 Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY. Need death certificate and possible marriage, if in NY (Parents: Peter Roberts & Jane Baker) spouse: Sarah Beman b. 1772 Brimfield, Mass. d. Nov. 12, 1837 Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY (Parents: Samuel Beman & Sibbil Thompson) Need her death certificate. Thank-you for all your help. Hope to be of help to others of this line in the near future. FHC does not have any of the information needed. Must have the Docs. for DAR. Up to this part of my lineage, it is not available with DAR and the chapter I am joining does not accept older lineage presented to them. They say there are too many errors in the lineal packets to accept them as fact. Sue in Fl. [email protected]

Sorry about that. Just reread my message and see that my finger got away with me again. I'm quite sure the date is 1880 instead of 1890 for recording . Also sure many were not recorded. Have you tried the church records? Muriel

Hi Fellow members, Some nice lady, I don't remember her name and didn't make a copy of the E-mail I sent, wrote a book about the R. C. Church in Keesville. I thought she would look for my G.Grandfather Andre LaRock but she told me instead that there were three STEBBINS births recorded in the church. Perhaps the lady is busy with the Holidays and did not have time for a look up. If that is the case I will patiently wait for a reply. HAPPY NEW YEAR, Howard Stebbins ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi Howard, First, my gggreat grandma was Marie-Louise Stebenne from St-Mathias de Rouville, Quebec. If you need Quebec data I have some. Now for Keeseville, here are the baptisms: Sara Elisabeth born to Ofter Stebbens and Sara Binrt(?) on Aprl 15, 1866 Georges Alfred born to Abraham Steben and Rosalie Limoges on Sept 13, 1863 Georges Munro born to Arthur Steben and Soeva Burt on March 18, 1861 Noe born to Abraham Stebenne and Rosalie Limoges on Sept. 27, 1857 Regards, Andree Florida

I thought the required registration for NYS was 1890. At leat that is what I have read. NYS is hard to get information from. I live here. Muriel

Birth and death certificates, even in 1895, simply didn't exist in some areas of Clinton County even though they were "required" by the State of New York. For example, my great great grandmother, Lydia Butler Guynup, died in 1894 and no death certificate could be found at either the state or town levels. I've found far more pre-1900 birth and death information in the PLATTSBURGH REPUBLICAN, or in church records, than in the state or various town files. Many cemeteries were actually on family land (at least two that I know of in my own family) so there was no reason to involve the authorities, especially in the case of infant deaths. Linda Guynup Dewey

Susan, I work in Medical Records at our local hospital and we are responsible for birth certificates. NYS requires a birth certificate for a baby who is alive at birth. Thus is the baby died shortly after birth, i.e. 1 hour old, we would complete a birth certificate. If the baby was stillborn, there is no birth certificate completed. In this case, I believe the physician must file a record of death, though it might be slightly different than a regular death certificate. Hope this helps. Lisa Stauring Boyle Searching: Caron/Carrow, Henault, Edmund ************************************ The only disability in life is a bad attitude.   Scott Hamilton

Sue, I don't think NY required birth and death registration until 1920, and even then, my mother was born in Essex Co and her birth was not registered until she needed a birth certificate 20 some years later. My great grandmother had a baby who died right after birth and was buried on the farm, nothing recorded except in the family Bible. You may be out of luck unless there is a Bible somewhere recording the baby's birth and death. Mary Slack Maynard Researching Slack, Gregory, Hopper, Bigelow/Bigalow, Nichols, Dunning, Mead, Fish in NY and New England, Nash, Maginn/McGinn, Donahue, Vokes in NY and Ireland, Aird and Crombie in NY and Scotland