Pat, My 4th great grandfather was Charles Babcock. Many of the Babcocks migrated to the Central NY area from RI and CT after the Revolutionary War. The Babcocks are all related but sometimes it is hard to find out just how. I think I contacted you about the Orman name a while ago. There were three marriages between the Babcocks and Ormans in Livingston Co. - My grandmother was an Orman, b. in Kent Co., England. Laurien Babcock Fan