Hello Folks, I try as much as possible to stay off his list and not to interfere with the flow of information between subscribers. However, there are times when I must step in. The intent of this list is to share family genealogical information. Recently we have strayed from this goal. There have been some recent discussion regarding the politics of the EMGS/PHGS issue, most of which I feel are inappropriate for this forum. I understand there are some hard feelings on both sides of the issue However, this mailing list will NOT become a forum for venting those feeling. I realize too, that some messages on this subject have already been sent. Some of you may feel compelled to answer them. I cannot "un-ring a bell" and "unsend" messages that have already been sent. However, If you feel compelled to respond to a previous message, please direct your comments to the originator of the message and/or to me, and not to the NYCATTAR list as a whole.. Concerning the NYCATTAR mailing list policy: 1. The NYCATTAR mailing list policy prohibits "commercial activity" without the express approval of Rootsweb. This policy does NOT bar the mentioning or recommending a commercial site to fellow subscribers as long as that site is related to genealogy . As a matter of fact, we encourage you to let fellow subscribers know of any genealogical resource find that you feel provide a good service, be they commercial, non-profit, or strictly volunteer, There is a line however, between recommending and advertising. Advertising IS prohibited except in very special situations with Rootsweb approval. If you feel someone has run afoul of this prohibition, please email me, including a the "quoted" message. 2. Regarding commercial sites: The mere fact that an organization charges a fee for membership or services, or asks for donations does not, by itself, make that organization a "commercial" site. Not does it reflect on its quality as a genealogical source. Many non-for-profit organizations charge fees and dues, including many historical associations, libraries, archives, and governmental offices. This does NOT preclude you from recommending or mentioning them, or even relating a bad experience to fellow subscribers, within the bounds of general "nettiquette". However, Out-and-out "FLAMES" will not be tolerated. If you have any further questions about this list, acceptable use policies etc., or just wish to discuss it further, please direct your comments to me at nycattar@rochester.rr.com. Questions regarding my policies should be directed to the State Coordinator by mailing: rainelane@earthlink.net Regards, Dick Allen NYCATTAR List Administrator

Thanks, Dick, for replying with your comments to the list. I'm sure we are all anxious to return our focus to genealogy. Maureen M. Lee PAMCKEAN List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cattaraugus Co Coordinator" <nycattar@rochester.rr.com> To: <NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 05 October, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: [NYCATTAR] NYCATTAR Policy with regards to recent EMGS/PHGS discussions > Hello Folks, > > I try as much as possible to stay off his list and not to interfere with the flow of information between subscribers. However, there > are times when I must step in. > > The intent of this list is to share family genealogical information. Recently we have strayed from this goal. There have been some > recent discussion regarding the politics of the EMGS/PHGS issue, most of which I feel are inappropriate for this forum. I understand there > are some hard feelings on both sides of the issue However, this mailing list will NOT become a forum for venting those feeling. > > I realize too, that some messages on this subject have already been sent. Some of you may feel compelled to answer them. I cannot > "un-ring a bell" and "unsend" messages that have already been sent. However, If you feel compelled to respond to a previous message, > please direct your comments to the originator of the message and/or to me, and not to the NYCATTAR list as a whole.. > > Concerning the NYCATTAR mailing list policy: > > 1. The NYCATTAR mailing list policy prohibits "commercial activity" without the express approval of Rootsweb. This policy does NOT > bar the mentioning or recommending a commercial site to fellow subscribers as long as that site is related to genealogy . As a matter of > fact, we encourage you to let fellow subscribers know of any genealogical resource find that you feel provide a good service, be they > commercial, non-profit, or strictly volunteer, There is a line however, between recommending and advertising. Advertising IS prohibited > except in very special situations with Rootsweb approval. If you feel someone has run afoul of this prohibition, please email me, including > a the "quoted" message. > > 2. Regarding commercial sites: The mere fact that an organization charges a fee for membership or services, or asks for donations > does not, by itself, make that organization a "commercial" site. Not does it reflect on its quality as a genealogical source. Many > non-for-profit organizations charge fees and dues, including many historical associations, libraries, archives, and governmental offices. > This does NOT preclude you from recommending or mentioning them, or even relating a bad experience to fellow subscribers, within the bounds > of general "nettiquette". However, Out-and-out "FLAMES" will not be tolerated. > > If you have any further questions about this list, acceptable use policies etc., or just wish to discuss it further, please direct your > comments to me at nycattar@rochester.rr.com. > > Questions regarding my policies should be directed to the State Coordinator by mailing: rainelane@earthlink.net > > > Regards, > Dick Allen > NYCATTAR List Administrator > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

What do you mean by the statement that follows? Re: While commercial sites are not to be endorsed on the Rootsweb lists and Re:boards, occasionally a few manage to slip through. An email was posted Re:to Re:various lists this morning about the name change of EMGS (Enchanted Re:Mountains Genealogy Society). The following email was received on the Re:Cattaraugus County (NY) list from the EMGS founder. As a courtesy, I am Re:forwarding it to those lists that did not receive it. Re: Re:Speaking of commercial sites, I would also like to say: "Caveat! Re: Re:It is unfortunate, but there are many "societies" and "research sites" Re:that Re:claim to exist for the benefit of their members or researchers, when in Re:reality these so-called-societies exist to further their own agendas. I Re:cannot state strongly enough how important it is that each "society" or Re:organization that charges a fee (no matter how minimal) be fully Re:investigaged. While genealogy is quite a popular pursuit, the "genealogy Re:world" is quite small, meaning that with a few keystrokes and a few Re:inquiries one can almost always learn a "society's" true colors. A Re:leopard Re:never changes its spots. To me it implies that someone at EMGS embezzled money from the organization and the remaining members scrambled to reorganize. Was that your intended context? Or are you saying that was a research site that has people pay for freely available information? I am stumped. Who was the EMGS founder that you received the email from? It seems kind of unfair to quote someone without using there name. I just want to inform myself about the situation. After all someone mentioned "Buyer Beware". Maybe the way I should interpret the message is that EMGS was a legitimate site but to beware as others aren't. Is PHGS a legitimate site? Brian Milks

Good morning. My post was a statement assuring subscribers and list members, and notifying spammers, that commercial sites are not to be endorsed on the Rootsweb lists and boards. When an email does manage to slip through undetected the list administrators will receive angry email from subscribers asking why they are being spammed. The email of the spammer is then put on reject and all email posts are "reviewed" by each respective county's list administrator to determine if they are fit to post. List subscribers have the right to expect their privacy, and their email address, are being protected from bombardments by commercial enterprises and spam. The second part of my post was merely a warning to be wary of commercial organizations. I believe all savvy consumers know better than to send money to an organization before learning more of said organization. <To me it implies that someone at EMGS embezzled money from the organization and the remaining members scrambled to reorganize.> Surely you are making the above comment in jest! That's a very large leap from my comment to your comment! But since you opened that door, I would like to ask, since you seem to be "in the know," when the societies in the Allegany, Cattaraugus, Chautauqua, Steuben, McKean and Potter areas could expect a donation. Per the EMGS bylaws if the Society was dissolved all assets were to be sold and the net proceeds to be distributed amongst the societies serving that area. While I am sure those area societies will be dismayed to learn of the scandalous fall of EMGS, they could undoubtedly use the donation to further their work. Furthermore, I would strongly caution you to be very careful when using that term "embezzlement." It is my understanding that an accusation, TOTALLY UNFOUNDED AND COMPLETELY WITHOUT MERIT, was made by EMGS toward one of their own, and that the potential exists that it will be addressed through legal avenues. Unless you want to be dragged into that mess you would be wise to stay out of it. <Who was the EMGS founder that you received the email from?> I received the email from the list. If you would have kept reading the "string" you would have seen the author. I am including it for you: <----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Disorbo" <disorbo@novocon.net> To: <NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 03 October, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: [Fwd: [NYCATTAR] PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY] Sorry to bother the list with this, but an error has been made concerning this statement made by Mary Bryant. The Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society did not just change its name. The society was dissolved and the former EMGS members decided to start a new society called PHGS. Again, I apologize but I needed to set the record straight. Thanks and good luck to all of you in your research. Sincerely, Michael Disorbo> As I stated, the author's name and email address is clearly posted for all to see. <Maybe the way I should interpret the message is that EMGS was a legitimate site but to beware as others aren't. Is PHGS a legitimate site?> I suppose one way to interpret that would be to say EMGS was a legitimate site but to beware as others aren't. However, I would never have interpreted it in that manner, knowing what I have known for years. As I stated above, each individual will have to form their opinion of the organizations they chose to do business with. Would I do business with Painted Hills? In a word, "No." PHGS charges for posts to their boards and to access the volunteer lookups. Those services are provided free of charge on a myriad of other sites, the terrific and well hosted usgenweb sites come immediately to mind. Furthermore, PHGS holds no open elections, it is run as a dictatorship, something I, as an American, cannot support. Additionally, I find the president of PHGS to be an abusive, egotistical, self-serving individual. It is high time this individual steps up to the plate and takes responsibility for past and present actions. I, as a volunteer, have been the innocent victim of her wrath on more than one occasion and I refuse to keep my mouth shut any longer. Maureen M. Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Milks" <bmilks@penn.com> To: <NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 05 October, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: RE: [NYCATTAR] PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY] What do you mean by the statement that follows? While commercial sites are not to be endorsed on the Rootsweb lists and boards, occasionally a few manage to slip through. An email was posted to various lists this morning about the name change of EMGS (Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society). The following email was received on the Cattaraugus County (NY) list from the EMGS founder. As a courtesy, I am forwarding it to those lists that did not receive it. Speaking of commercial sites, I would also like to say: "Caveat! It is unfortunate, but there are many "societies" and "research sites" that claim to exist for the benefit of their members or researchers, when in reality these so-called-societies exist to further their own agendas. I cannot state strongly enough how important it is that each "society" or organization that charges a fee (no matter how minimal) be fully investigaged. While genealogy is quite a popular pursuit, the "genealogy world" is quite small, meaning that with a few keystrokes and a few inquiries one can almost always learn a "society's" true colors. A leopard never changes its spots. To me it implies that someone at EMGS embezzled money from the organization and the remaining members scrambled to reorganize. Was that your intended context? Or are you saying that was a research site that has people pay for freely available information? I am stumped. Who was the EMGS founder that you received the email from? It seems kind of unfair to quote someone without using there name. I just want to inform myself about the situation. After all someone mentioned "Buyer Beware". Maybe the way I should interpret the message is that EMGS was a legitimate site but to beware as others aren't. Is PHGS a legitimate site? Brian Milks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LAHR GESE Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/5942 Message Board Post: Looking for more information about this LAHR line from descendants or others researching this LAHR/GESE family: Looking for descendants of the Lahr family members mentioned in this obituary (Martha never married) or anyone researching this Lahr line from Cattaraugus County, NY: Title = Miss Martha Lahr Passes Tuesday at Olean Hospital; Subtitle = Was Daughter of George Lahr, Sr., Civil War Veteran and Tavern Keepers of 75 Years ago; Text = Miss Martha Lahr, 80 years of age, passed away at St. Francis hospital last Tuesday evening after a long illness. Miss Lahr was born in Allegany in the same house on North Second in which she resided her entire life until a week ago when she was removed to the hospital. She was the daughter of George Lahr, Sr., civil war veteran who died in 1875 at the age of 66 years. It is said of him that he was a jolly hotel keeper in the old Lahr building which still stands on North Second street, where he carried on the professions of a doctor, a barber, a dentist and even a politician. Miss Lahr is survived by one brother, Max Lahr, of Fillmore. The following sisters and brothers preceded her in death: George H. Lahr, Jr., died July 8, 1900, aged 76; Charlotte Lahr, died December 30, 1913, aged 53; Henrietta E. Lahr, died July 12, 1932, aged 75; Gustave E. Lahr, died August 6, 1937, aged 71; and Adela Lahr Gese, died January 2, 1938, aged 76. Funeral services will be held this afternoon (Thursday) at two o'clock at the Lennon mortuary and the remains will be laid at rest in the family plot in the Allegany cemetery. Rec. A. H. Nicholson, pastor of the Presbyterian church, will officiate.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: REEDY LAHR CLANCY Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/5941 Message Board Post: Looking for any descendants or information on any of the Reedy or Lahr individuals mentioned in the following obituary: Published obituary from newspaper in Allegany, Cattagaugus County, NY: Title = Mrs. Mary Reedy Lahr Dies Tuesday at Albany Home; Text = Mrs. Mary Reedy Lahr, aged 86 years, widow of George Lahr, Jr., of Geneseo, NY, native and former resident of Allegany, NY, died Tuesday, December 16 at a hospital in Albany. Her husband died at Geneseo May 22, 1912, at the age of 50 years. Mrs. Lahr was born here on the Reedy farm on the North Nine Mile, near the Rock Cut in 1861, the daughter of John Reedy, Sr., and Agnes Reedy. Her father died November 13, 1907, at the age of 88 years while her mother passed away at Geneseo November 24, 1918, aged 85 years. Mary was one of eight children of the original Reedy family, all of whom have passed away with the exception of one daughter. Surviving are her two sons, George Lahr, Jr., of Royal Oak, MI, and Claude Lahr of Gloversville; one sister, Mrs. Catherine Clancy of Bradford, PA; also many nieces, nephews, grandnieces, and grandnephews, incl! uding Danniel F. Reedy of North Fifth street who is a nephew. The remains were brought to Allegany where funeral services were held at St.l Bonaventure church last Saturday morning at 7:30 o'clock. Rev. Jordan Brown, OFM, pastor, was celebrant of the mass, and the remains were laid at rest beside her husband in the Allegany cemetery on Maple Avenue. Pallbearers were Daniel Reedy, Sr., Daniel Reedy, Jr., Albert B. Collins and George Wells.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cox, Williams, Gibson, Wells Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/3189.1 Message Board Post: One of the Lodge member a William A.Cox. Could be a relation to me!

Greetings, list subscribers. While commercial sites are not to be endorsed on the Rootsweb lists and boards, occasionally a few manage to slip through. An email was posted to various lists this morning about the name change of EMGS (Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society). The following email was received on the Cattaraugus County (NY) list from the EMGS founder. As a courtesy, I am forwarding it to those lists that did not receive it. Speaking of commercial sites, I would also like to say: "Caveat! It is unfortunate, but there are many "societies" and "research sites" that claim to exist for the benefit of their members or researchers, when in reality these so-called-societies exist to further their own agendas. I cannot state strongly enough how important it is that each "society" or organization that charges a fee (no matter how minimal) be fully investigaged. While genealogy is quite a popular pursuit, the "genealogy world" is quite small, meaning that with a few keystrokes and a few inquiries one can almost always learn a "society's" true colors. A leopard never changes its spots. If you become aware of any abuse of the Rootsweb lists or boards kindly notify me, or the respective county coordinator or list administrator. Maureen M. Lee PAMCKEAN List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Disorbo" <disorbo@novocon.net> To: <NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 03 October, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: [Fwd: [NYCATTAR] PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY] > Sorry to bother the list with this, but an error has been made > concerning this statement made by Mary Bryant. The Enchanted Mountains > Genealogy Society did not just change its name. The society was > dissolved and the former EMGS members decided to start a new society > called PHGS. > > Again, I apologize but I needed to set the record straight. > > Thanks and good luck to all of you in your research. > > Sincerely, > > Michael Disorbo > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [NYCATTAR] PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY > Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:23:32 -0600 > Resent-From: NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:23:27 -0400 > From: "MEB" <marbar@netsync.net> > To: NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Just want to let you all know that Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society had changed their name and address. > > It is now called PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY. It can be found at www.paintedhills.org. It stills covers 4 New York Counties and 2 PA counties. > > Mary > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sorry to bother the list with this, but an error has been made concerning this statement made by Mary Bryant. The Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society did not just change its name. The society was dissolved and the former EMGS members decided to start a new society called PHGS. Again, I apologize but I needed to set the record straight. Thanks and good luck to all of you in your research. Sincerely, Michael Disorbo -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [NYCATTAR] PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:23:32 -0600 Resent-From: NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:23:27 -0400 From: "MEB" <marbar@netsync.net> To: NYCATTAR-L@rootsweb.com Just want to let you all know that Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society had changed their name and address. It is now called PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY. It can be found at www.paintedhills.org. It stills covers 4 New York Counties and 2 PA counties. Mary ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Just want to let you all know that Enchanted Mountains Genealogy Society had changed their name and address. It is now called PAINTED HILLS GENEALOGY SOCIETY. It can be found at www.paintedhills.org. It stills covers 4 New York Counties and 2 PA counties. Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/1972.1.1 Message Board Post: George, You are definitely my long lost cousin. We must correspond thru email. Mollie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/1972.1 Message Board Post: Hello Molly, If your Mother was Margaret Novack, nee Malia, then we are cousins. However were you able to find John O'Malia? I recall my dad, George, once mentioned that his father was from Olean,NY

Hi Fellow Listers: Was wondering if someone has access to the 1870 New York Index that would include Cattaragus County? I am look for the surname HARTNETT, Owen Maurice but also went by Morris or Maurice. He was born circa 1842-1847 Appreciate any assistance. Beverly Pfeil Paquet Tucson AZ

I am researching the James and Esther (Hutchins) Whiting family that moved to Cattaraugus County about 1832 and resided in Yorkshire in the 1850 census. Their Whiting children (known to me) were: Alvina b 1809 ME Esther b 1811 ME; m John Worden b 1807/08 NY Lydia b 1813 ME James Jr. b 1824 NY John Worden resided in Poland, Chautauqua Co, NY in the 1840 census; Yorkshire, Cattaraugus Co, NY in the 1850 census. John and Esther (Whiting) Worden had the following Worden children: Lois Elvira b 1830; m Miles Colton Lydia Jane b 1832; m 1) Asa Eastland; 2) Charles Babcock Hanna Minerva b 1834; m Isaac H. Beach Alsophina b 1839; m John Henry Peck Benjamin b 1840; m 1) Prudence Martin; 2) Kate A. Hawkins; Ehlert Clark b 1845 Esther Ann b 1843; m ___ Nugent Saryan b 1854 Amelia Palina b 1858 I hope to hear from other researchers on these lines. I have a lot of research to share.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Berger/Fowler Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/5940 Message Board Post: Hi...I would like an obit look up for my great grandfather, Robert S. Berger please. The only information I have is that he died April 4, 1923, his wife is Keturah M. Fowler- Berger and they lived in Cattaraugus, NY. Thank you for any help, Deb

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/5939 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Ella Bates. She had a boarding house in Olean in the 1920s. She had a girl that she raised named Helen Dempsey. I don't know if Ella ever married. Thanks for you help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Holden/Green Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/2055.2054.2057.2059 Message Board Post: I am a descendent of the two Samuels (Sr. and Jr. Green). In particular, a descendent of Jr. and Elinor's child Heman (I have middle initial of E, not A). Whatever information we can share would be helpful. Thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mighell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/2840.2852.2.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for Mighell from Mobile, AL - I know of at least a couple Joseph Richard Mighell of Mobile who are definitely related to my husband's line. Can you help me fill in some branches? http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/o/b/Tom-Robertson/index.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/1041.1.1 Message Board Post: Barb, I would greatly like to compare notes with you. I have some of Stephen and Laura's descendants, but not all. I also have a photo that is supposed to be Rhoda. you can email me at rallen5@rochester.rr.com Thanks for responding. Dick Allen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/1041.1 Message Board Post: have list of decendents of stephen allen and laura welch through rhoda allen if you need them