Well, I can see what they're doing - They are counting these as Scottish records and as such are in the WORLD category. They really ARE getting a bit over the top with their greediness!! Erin Pritchett

Laura - Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription because the new US records wouldn't be accessable otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! Erin In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows access to any records of US residents, we no longer have access to many new US records being added. They are now requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription

For those of you on other mailing lists, would you mind posting a notice on those boards as well so that hopefully enough people will contact Ancestry to register their concern? Once again, the new records that are not accessible in the US Deluxe Subscription are records of people LIVING IN THE US. These records were guaranteed by ancestry to be accessible in the US Deluxe Subscription. We all understand that records of people living in other countries require a World Deluxe Subscription to view. Thanks! Laura

Erin, That's true - you had to upgrade to US Deluxe from US Records Collection to gain access to any new records added as noted in Ancestry's Newsletter of Dec 2005. After upgrading, you were to get access to ANY record having to do with residents living in America - so records of any ship to America, any immigrant groups to America, etc. And for some time those records, including all newly added ones, were available. However, a huge brand new slew of American records were just added that they are not allowing US Deluxe subscribers to access - they are requiring yet another upgrade to World Deluxe. (For example - Scot surnames in America is requiring a World Deluxe upgrade, even though clearly this record is about people living on US soil. This is not in keeping with what Ancestry promised to US Deluxe subscribers when they upgraded). We have contacted Ancestry Customer Service - I even spoke with a manager there who can do nothing but pass the world along. (Note again - all earlier records of the Irish, or the Scottish, or the English, or the Russian, or whatever, living in America are supposed to be in the US Deluxe subscription, and in fact are accessible. Only the new ones being added now are being closed out to US Deluxe subscribers. The main problem here is that people upgrade their subscription, then a few months down the road aren't able to access what they were told they were subscribing to without doing ANOTHER upgrade - a very expensive one at that. If enough people post on Ancestry.com's site comment boards, perhaps they will reconsider. Of course, this could be very wishful thinking on my part. :-) I appreciate that this is not a specific Cattaraugus county request for help, but since so many of us use Ancestry, I thought it would be ok to post the issue and request support. Laura > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > > > Laura - > > Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the > sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription > because the new US records wouldn't be accessable > otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! > > Erin > > In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard > Time, [email protected] writes: > > For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows > access to any records of US residents, we no longer have > access to many new US records being added. They are now > requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly > $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told > they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many of you probably already know there is now a site called RootsTelevision.......I am having a little trouble figuring out who is actually "running the show" other than it is based in Provo, Utah and appears to have LDS connections. I found a few of the video clips were excellent. If you live in a family that is perplexed by your passion for family history, the video entitled "Ancestors - Records at Risk" (six clips), which is very well done (PBS style), may help your family develop an inkling of what family history is about as well as a commitment to preserving the records that tell the story of your family. (these clips are under the tab Ancestors Season Two). Take a look and see what you think. If nothing else, maybe it will trigger your parent or grandparent to begin to tell his or her own story. http://www.rootstelevision.com/index.html A reaction I often I hear from others about those devoted to preserving family history is that it is an "egocentric" endeavor. Please remind them that gathering our family history is not about holding on to the past, it is about explaining the present. Laura Laura Greene Carlsbad, CA

OK ... this is contributed by Charlie with Joie doing the typing to you: Anna Lorsey Greene born Mar 03, 1883 Mansfield NY died Oct 12, 1956 in Salamanca NY ... dau of William and Alma Sykes Greene married RAYMOND GARFIELD CALKINS born July 28, 1880 in Ellicottville NY son of Horace Calkins & Jerusha Harriett

It bugs me to no end that I just paid a large sum for benefits that I might not find. Joan T.

Wow! They're probably figuring that since the people are coming from somewhere else, that they aren't US records. Not too helpful. Do you suppose if enough people complain it would make any difference? The next thing we know they'll probably shut off the shiplists. Joann L Greene wrote: > Joann - Yes - that is the US Deluxe subscription. And Ancestry > specifically stated that any databases added that speak to US residents > would be available in that subscription, including databases of immigrants > to America. However, if you click on any of the new US databases, you'll > find you are now required to upgrade to World Deluxe. The following is a > list of new databases US Deluxe subscribers cannot access that are US based. > ("Scots in the US" is a great example of a US record that in the past would > have been available) > > Genealogy Database Title Posted > > Emigrants from the Former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (Now Niedersachsen), Germany, > Mainly to the United States,1830-1849 10/19/2006 > Emigrants from West-German Fuerstenberg Territories (Baden and the > Palatinate) to America and Central Europe 1712, 1737, 1787 > 10/19/2006 > Emigrants from Saxony (Grandduchy of Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach) to America, > 1854, 1859 10/19/2006 > Scottish-American Gravestones, 1700-1900 10/18/2006 > The Scottish Surnames of Colonial America 10/18/2006 > American Data from the Aberdeen Journal, 1748-1783 10/18/2006 > American Data from the Records of the High Court of the Admiralty of > Scotland, 1675-1800 10/18/2006 > American Migrations 1765-1799 10/18/2006 > Scottish-American Court Records, 1733-1783 10/18/2006 > Scottish-American Heirs, 1683-1883 10/18/2006 > Scottish-American Wills, 1650-1900 10/18/2006 > British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and POW's Who May Have Remained > in Canada and the USA, 1774-1783. > Part One and Two 10/18/2006 > The French and Indian War from Scottish Sources 10/18/2006 > Scottish Soldiers in Colonial America, Part Three 10/18/2006 > Scottish Quakers and Early America, 1650-1700 10/18/2006 > Scots in the American West, 1783-1883 10/18/2006 > Scots-Dutch Links in Europe and America, 1575-1825 10/18/2006 > Scots in New England, 1623-1873 10/18/2006 > Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875 Part 1 10/18/2006 > Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875. Part Two 10/18/2006 > Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875 Part Three 10/18/2006 > Scots in the Mid-Atlantic Colonies, 1635-1783 10/18/2006 > Scots in the Mid-Atlantic States, 1783-1883 10/18/2006 > A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1718-1759 10/18/2006 > Child Apprentices in America from Christ's Hospital, London, 1617-1778 > 10/18/2006 > Emigrants from England to the American Colonies, 1773-1776 10/18/2006 > A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1682-1692 10/18/2006 > Ships from Scotland to America, 1628-1828 10/18/2006 > Ships from Scotland to America, 1628-1828. Vol. III 10/18/2006 > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joann H. Nichols >> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:46 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes >> >> Hi, Laura, >> >> Is the US Deluxe subscription the one that I paid something >> under $200 for? Is it the newspapers that are being added >> that they aren't letting us use? I haven't tried any of those. >> >> They sure seem to be getting greedy, don't they? >> >> Joann >> >> Laura Greene wrote: >>> >>> >>> If any of you subscribe to Ancestry.com, and are finding you no >>> longer have access to certain records in your subscription you were >>> told you would have when you bought it (new or otherwise), >> could you please let us know? >>> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows >> access to >>> any records of US residents, we no longer have access to >> many new US >>> records being added. They are now requiring an upgrade to World >>> Deluxe (for a whopping yearly $347!)for many new US records that >>> subscribers were told they would be able to access within >> the US Deluxe subscription. >>> You can also post your concerns about this at: >>> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ancestry.anc >>> site >>> >>> If you have the "old" US Records Collection subscription - >> your access >>> is being even more curtailed from what I'm hearing from others. >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Laura, Is the US Deluxe subscription the one that I paid something under $200 for? Is it the newspapers that are being added that they aren't letting us use? I haven't tried any of those. They sure seem to be getting greedy, don't they? Joann Laura Greene wrote: > > > If any of you subscribe to Ancestry.com, and are finding you no longer have > access to certain records in your subscription you were told you would have > when you bought it (new or otherwise), could you please let us know? > > For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows access to any > records of US residents, we no longer have access to many new US records > being added. They are now requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a > whopping yearly $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told > they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription. > > You can also post your concerns about this at: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ancestry.ancsite > > If you have the "old" US Records Collection subscription - your access is > being even more curtailed from what I'm hearing from others. > Laura > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nope - all the earlier "coming from somewhere else to america" are in the US Deluxe subscription - and I specifically double checked with Ancestry - they made a VERY CLEAR STATEMENT - if the person lived in the US, it has to be in the US deluxe subscription. They are not honoring their own statement. I do think if enough people get on and post it might help - right now there are only a few of us yipping, and naturally numbers add up to action. Hopefully. Some of the shiplists to america are not viewable now - some are. Go figure! > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joann H. Nichols > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > > Wow! They're probably figuring that since the people are > coming from somewhere else, that they aren't US records. Not > too helpful. Do you suppose if enough people complain it > would make any difference? > > The next thing we know they'll probably shut off the shiplists. > > Joann > > L Greene wrote: > > Joann - Yes - that is the US Deluxe subscription. And Ancestry > > specifically stated that any databases added that speak to US > > residents would be available in that subscription, > including databases > > of immigrants to America. However, if you click on any of > the new US > > databases, you'll find you are now required to upgrade to World > > Deluxe. The following is a list of new databases US Deluxe > subscribers cannot access that are US based. > > ("Scots in the US" is a great example of a US record that > in the past > > would have been available) > > > > Genealogy Database Title Posted > > > > Emigrants from the Former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (Now > Niedersachsen), Germany, > > Mainly to the United States,1830-1849 10/19/2006 > > Emigrants from West-German Fuerstenberg Territories (Baden and the > > Palatinate) to America and Central Europe 1712, 1737, 1787 > > 10/19/2006 > > Emigrants from Saxony (Grandduchy of > Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach) to America, > > 1854, 1859 10/19/2006 > > Scottish-American Gravestones, 1700-1900 10/18/2006 > > The Scottish Surnames of Colonial America 10/18/2006 > > American Data from the Aberdeen Journal, 1748-1783 10/18/2006 > > American Data from the Records of the High Court of the Admiralty of > > Scotland, 1675-1800 10/18/2006 > > American Migrations 1765-1799 10/18/2006 > > Scottish-American Court Records, 1733-1783 10/18/2006 > > Scottish-American Heirs, 1683-1883 10/18/2006 > > Scottish-American Wills, 1650-1900 10/18/2006 > > British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and POW's Who May Have > > Remained in Canada and the USA, 1774-1783. > > Part One and Two 10/18/2006 > > The French and Indian War from Scottish Sources 10/18/2006 > > Scottish Soldiers in Colonial America, Part Three 10/18/2006 > > Scottish Quakers and Early America, 1650-1700 10/18/2006 > > Scots in the American West, 1783-1883 10/18/2006 > > Scots-Dutch Links in Europe and America, 1575-1825 10/18/2006 > > Scots in New England, 1623-1873 10/18/2006 > > Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875 Part 1 10/18/2006 > > Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875. Part Two 10/18/2006 > > Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875 Part Three 10/18/2006 > > Scots in the Mid-Atlantic Colonies, 1635-1783 10/18/2006 > > Scots in the Mid-Atlantic States, 1783-1883 10/18/2006 > > A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1718-1759 > 10/18/2006 > > Child Apprentices in America from Christ's Hospital, > London, 1617-1778 > > 10/18/2006 > > Emigrants from England to the American Colonies, 1773-1776 > 10/18/2006 > > A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1682-1692 > 10/18/2006 > > Ships from Scotland to America, 1628-1828 10/18/2006 > > Ships from Scotland to America, 1628-1828. Vol. III > 10/18/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joann > H. Nichols > >> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:46 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > >> > >> Hi, Laura, > >> > >> Is the US Deluxe subscription the one that I paid something under > >> $200 for? Is it the newspapers that are being added that > they aren't > >> letting us use? I haven't tried any of those. > >> > >> They sure seem to be getting greedy, don't they? > >> > >> Joann > >> > >> Laura Greene wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> If any of you subscribe to Ancestry.com, and are finding you no > >>> longer have access to certain records in your > subscription you were > >>> told you would have when you bought it (new or otherwise), > >> could you please let us know? > >>> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows > >> access to > >>> any records of US residents, we no longer have access to > >> many new US > >>> records being added. They are now requiring an upgrade to World > >>> Deluxe (for a whopping yearly $347!)for many new US records that > >>> subscribers were told they would be able to access within > >> the US Deluxe subscription. > >>> You can also post your concerns about this at: > >>> > >> > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ancestry.an > >> c > >>> site > >>> > >>> If you have the "old" US Records Collection subscription - > >> your access > >>> is being even more curtailed from what I'm hearing from others. > >>> Laura > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I found the following Mount Hope (Ashford)cemetery records that I believe to be of my family: CALKINS Thomas (father) CALKINS George CALKINS Sarah CALKINS Thomas CALKINS However, there are no dates in this record. Can anyone tell me if there is a caretaker who might have a cemetery record of this family showing when they died so I might get a death certificate? Thanks for any help or information you might have. Laura

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/7538 Message Board Post: Hello, I am looking for informatiom on John Martin b1900's in Fife Scotland, i believe he was in mounted police, also Francis Shields left for Canada from Scotland 1955? he was b: Lochore Fife 1928 please help if you can

Joann - Yes - that is the US Deluxe subscription. And Ancestry specifically stated that any databases added that speak to US residents would be available in that subscription, including databases of immigrants to America. However, if you click on any of the new US databases, you'll find you are now required to upgrade to World Deluxe. The following is a list of new databases US Deluxe subscribers cannot access that are US based. ("Scots in the US" is a great example of a US record that in the past would have been available) Genealogy Database Title Posted Emigrants from the Former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (Now Niedersachsen), Germany, Mainly to the United States,1830-1849 10/19/2006 Emigrants from West-German Fuerstenberg Territories (Baden and the Palatinate) to America and Central Europe 1712, 1737, 1787 10/19/2006 Emigrants from Saxony (Grandduchy of Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach) to America, 1854, 1859 10/19/2006 Scottish-American Gravestones, 1700-1900 10/18/2006 The Scottish Surnames of Colonial America 10/18/2006 American Data from the Aberdeen Journal, 1748-1783 10/18/2006 American Data from the Records of the High Court of the Admiralty of Scotland, 1675-1800 10/18/2006 American Migrations 1765-1799 10/18/2006 Scottish-American Court Records, 1733-1783 10/18/2006 Scottish-American Heirs, 1683-1883 10/18/2006 Scottish-American Wills, 1650-1900 10/18/2006 British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and POW's Who May Have Remained in Canada and the USA, 1774-1783. Part One and Two 10/18/2006 The French and Indian War from Scottish Sources 10/18/2006 Scottish Soldiers in Colonial America, Part Three 10/18/2006 Scottish Quakers and Early America, 1650-1700 10/18/2006 Scots in the American West, 1783-1883 10/18/2006 Scots-Dutch Links in Europe and America, 1575-1825 10/18/2006 Scots in New England, 1623-1873 10/18/2006 Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875 Part 1 10/18/2006 Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875. Part Two 10/18/2006 Scots in the USA and Canada, 1825-1875 Part Three 10/18/2006 Scots in the Mid-Atlantic Colonies, 1635-1783 10/18/2006 Scots in the Mid-Atlantic States, 1783-1883 10/18/2006 A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1718-1759 10/18/2006 Child Apprentices in America from Christ's Hospital, London, 1617-1778 10/18/2006 Emigrants from England to the American Colonies, 1773-1776 10/18/2006 A List of Emigrants from England to America, 1682-1692 10/18/2006 Ships from Scotland to America, 1628-1828 10/18/2006 Ships from Scotland to America, 1628-1828. Vol. III 10/18/2006 > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joann H. Nichols > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > > Hi, Laura, > > Is the US Deluxe subscription the one that I paid something > under $200 for? Is it the newspapers that are being added > that they aren't letting us use? I haven't tried any of those. > > They sure seem to be getting greedy, don't they? > > Joann > > Laura Greene wrote: > > > > > > If any of you subscribe to Ancestry.com, and are finding you no > > longer have access to certain records in your subscription you were > > told you would have when you bought it (new or otherwise), > could you please let us know? > > > > For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows > access to > > any records of US residents, we no longer have access to > many new US > > records being added. They are now requiring an upgrade to World > > Deluxe (for a whopping yearly $347!)for many new US records that > > subscribers were told they would be able to access within > the US Deluxe subscription. > > > > You can also post your concerns about this at: > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ancestry.anc > > site > > > > If you have the "old" US Records Collection subscription - > your access > > is being even more curtailed from what I'm hearing from others. > > Laura > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If any of you subscribe to Ancestry.com, and are finding you no longer have access to certain records in your subscription you were told you would have when you bought it (new or otherwise), could you please let us know? For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows access to any records of US residents, we no longer have access to many new US records being added. They are now requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription. You can also post your concerns about this at: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ancestry.ancsite If you have the "old" US Records Collection subscription - your access is being even more curtailed from what I'm hearing from others. Laura

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Rice, Woolley, Annis, Quinby Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/5538.1 Message Board Post: Elizabeth: I am researching my Rice line and trying to figure out who my people are. I have been looking at many Rice lines and so far have determined who they are not. I am interested in your Rice line and also the Woolley line since the Woolley landed in Floyd Co. Iowa along with our Andrew Rice in addition to Norman Rice, but I can find no connection so far. It seems that from NY or VT to all end up in Floyd, IA is a bit more than a coinsendent. Can you share some of your information with me? Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whiting / Worden Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/7537.1 Message Board Post: Is your museum in Cattaraugus County, or why are you posting this on the Cattaraugus board? I am not seeing any wills or land deeds that have been scanned and posted, and no transcriptions. What I am seeing is that you are selling copies for $10. What am I missing? You appear to be using this board for your own financial gain.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/5722.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Shirley-- sorry, I can't help you on the GRAY line. I've got a David born 1794/1804 of Delaware Co., NY that I was comparing with this David, but their ages are too far apart to match.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fox, Sackett, Leonhart Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/480.2 Message Board Post: Rolin Sackett's daughter, Orlinda, who married John Fox, son of Joseph, is my great-grandmother. I have some of the info on the Sackett family, but am looking for the name of the wives of the Fox family. Any info would be very appriciated. Once again thanks Sara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/7537 Message Board Post: an update on the site www.fultoncountymuseum.org I have been loading original deeds and they now can be viewed there. I will be adding new records everyday such as deeds (From 1799 and up), land surveys, maps from 1868 that have the residents names for Fulton and Montgomery Counties, wills, all kinds of photos, newspaper articles, I could go on and on. I hope you will visit this new site and I welcome any information you would like me to post.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/5722.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I forgot to tell you that William Miner and Betsey Gray are my great great grandparents. I traveled to Maynard, Iowa this summer and took photos of their grave stones. Any Gray information would be of interest. Shirley Miner Shouse