Dear List, I have just purchased two old cabinet card photos of a young woman named Gertrude Crowell. Both are identified on the back of the card. Both photos are oval shaped on the rectangle "card" backing. One of the photos also has the photographer's name and address imprinted on the card. it says "English (photographer), South Dayton, NY". My guess is these phtotos were taken 1900-1910, but that is just a guess. I try to rescue and return old identified photos. There are normally very few photos that have ID on them. However, in this group, there were many that were identified, and a number of other surnames. I have no idea how these families connect, but some of the additional surnames were Pitts, Crons/Croins, Fox, Sthulmer/Shuhlmelr, Bessenger, and others. Many of them were located in the area of Buffalo & Springville, NY (Erie Co.), some from St. Louis., etc. So, if you think you connect to any of these persons, I will be glad to look through the photos that I have. There are numerous Pitts photos, and they are identified. I do have 3/4 unidentified photos that I am trying to match up with some of the people in the identified photos. Thank you, Judy in TX

Hello, Is there a Marriage book or published record of early Cattaraugus marriages? I'm looking specifically between 1860-1870 for William H. Aldrich & Mary S. (unknown). I've just recently received info for Wm. Aldrich that connects him to my Root family of Kalamazoo, MI. I'm trying to identify the relationship. I can find this Aldrich family in Coldspring in 1840's, then South Valley 1860 - 1870. Does anyone have William H. or Frederick Aldrich on their Family Tree? Would appreciate exchanging information with you. Thank you, Mary Ann Root

my 3 cents will make it (5), any one else have a few more cents to put into the pot? Dear Fellow list members, I have read with interest your responses to what is going on with price gouging regarding a certain membership that a number of us belong to including myself. I have to agree that we have to fight fire with fire but there are many ways to fight the fire and not just one way. For example, the Forest Service when they go into an area that is burning out of control do a "back burning" at least I think that is the name they give it. Here's the idea. They make a perimeter around the original hot spot in an area where the fire has reached yet. Then they very carefully let it burn toward the original fire. This gives the un burned area of the forest at least some protection some times this works other times it doesn't. In our case, the main fire is the group we have been discussing. So in order to stop this fire from spreading we need to use what we know best and that is spread the WORD campaign. By that I mean: 1. everyone who has written to this particular organization to keep and print off their letter to them, and their response back from the company. 2. Talk to your local news paper, radio station, and TV station. Tell them the problem. The media is always a good bet when you want to get your point made. And do a massive letter writing campaign. Be sure though you have your information to prove your point. 3. Go talk to your own lawyer or if the situation gets to the point where that is not the best idea. See if there is among the many list members an attorney and I am sure that there is , that would be willing for free or for a nominal fee supplied by the joint members of the many free list to see what he can do to help us. Most lawyers don't charge for an initial meeting with the client. Which means that the group, when they find a lawyer who is willing to listen, can bring or send to him a list of grievances regarding this situation. Be sure though to have with you copies of the letters written to the problem company and their response back. 4. It is best also to have a spokes person for each of the many list to coordinate all the many letters that our list members will be writing. Then when all have written that want to, have one person who is willing to oversee the whole of the matter as our collective representative then present it along with all the supporting arguments to the lawyer that the group has appointed as its legal representative. By putting it into his or her hands, there will be only one cook doing the cooking in the legal kitchen and less of a chance of them burning the ingredients. Be sure thought that the attorney or legal representative that you choose knows what he or she is doing. In other words you don't want a novice in the kitchen of the White House preparing to fix a grand meal for heads of state when there is a TOP NOTCH CHEF that is available that knows how to do it just right. So that his presentation will get the acclamation that it so rightly deserves. 5. Another idea and this might be as a last resort is to start our own company. It might be small at first but there are lots of free stuff available. The census is available to every one, I am sure that various list will be willing to send to the newly formed company what they have. And the best way to put a very big bite in to this problem company is to ask their members through the various free list, to send you their information to put in the new site rather than continue with their present company. It is the oldest trick in advertising to try and steal from another company their sponsors and contributors. But before that can be done as a last resort, try the other ideas that I have suggested but don't tip your hand as to what is your last result will be. You want to be able to surprise the offending company but you can't if the plan of attack is already made known. 6. If an when the enviable does happen and a new company is formed or in the works to be formed, be sure have an coordinator who can collect the many ideas that we as list members put forth. Include in the plan be sure to talk about prices and what you plan for the new company. In other words what you want to do with the company, how you want it to benefit others and perhaps allow some advertising that pertains to genealogy and those that do research for a fee, to help pay for it. These are just a few of my ideas and I know that the many list members out there have much more than I to add. What you need is a plan of attack. Starting with a coordinator or joint coordinator's for each list, to begin with. One that will be willing to organize all the complaints from each list get it in some type of order then send it to the person or persons that will be overseeing the whole project so that those who are complaining about the present policy of the company that is being discussed will have once voice. Which will then and only then can be presented to the one individual which we hope is a lawyer, that will be taking the company that many of us are so irate about to task. Don't get discouraged over this but if a grass roots effort is begun great things can happen. Besides, isn't that one of the things that our nation was founded on Freedom of Speech and the press? And one more thing, is Prayer. Pray for guidance that we be shown the right avenue to take in order to be most effective in our campaign That is the most powerful weapon of all that we have. Besides, isn't that another thing that our nation was founded on freedom of Religion. And in that freedom we have the right to pray. Joan

I've followed, with interest, the discussion of Ancestry and would make the following suggestion. How much would it cost you to spend hotel nights, travel expenses, etc. to locate some of the many things you can find on Ancestry? I justify the dollars I spend by thinking about what it would cost to travel to the site(s) to access the records I need. Some years I need lots and other years I need nothing so I don't subscribe. Some years I need foreign data and other years only what's in the US. I started doing this long before computerized data was available and have spent an incredible amount on this hobby (it would scare me to death had I ever kept track of those expenses!), so I recognize the fantastic tools with which we now have to work, but we really shouldn't expect to get something for nothing. If we don't like the way a company operates we don't need to use it, or we can encourage them to change, but seems to me we don't need to go to war over such trivial details! --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

I am surprised that some on here have not figured out how to fight fire with fire when it comes to Ancestry.Com. I doubt enough people can get together collectively, to bring a class action suit against the company. Your best bet is to ban together and form groups of maybe 4 to 6 people.Then what you want is to appoint a Secretary/Treasurer who will be willing to take in a equal donation from each member, and be the main subscriber to Ancestry.com. Once that has happened everyone will then decide on a shared password and try to set times when each will be able to go in and access Ancestry. Everyone decides how much of Ancestry.com they would like to be able to access before the Secretary/Treasurer joins the Ancestry membership. My sister, myself and an online friend did this for three years.....it made Ancestry.com affordable to all of us. We took turns each year being the subscriber, but we used one main password and for us it was simply "genealogy". Something each of us could remember easily. If enough people do this, Ancestry will see their subscription rates go down, and THEN they will get the message. You have to find common sense ways of hitting the big company's in the pocket book. That is the only way they understand it is "the people" that rule America. June Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:23:14 -0400 From: "Dr. Dixon G. Stevens" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Judy, I'm not sure what you mean about my old road in my address. My street address is 228 Spring Street, but we don't use that in our address, as we have a post office box where we have our mail sent. I recommend we have a massive letter writing to the CEO of the parent company before we institute a class action law suit. If we do not receive an acceptable response from the letter writing campaign, then we look into a class action lawsuit. Let's try to first appeal to their sense of fairness (if they have one), and save the more aggressive approach as a backup strategy. What do the rest of you think? Dr. Dixon G. Doc STEVENS [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SCHWAN Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Anyone know a lawyer who would take the case? Dixon Doc, as a town historian, could you get the town to recommend someone? We would contribute as well. I see the address isn't on your old road... did you move? Judy Schwan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. Dixon G. Stevens Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Why don't we all band together and initiate a Class Action Lawsuit against Ancestry.com and their parent company. Maybe that is the only thing those greedy _ _ _ _ _ _ _ will understand. I would be glad to make a contribution towards a legal fund. Dr. Dixon G. Doc STEVENS P. O. Box 173 East Randolph, NY, USA 14730-0173 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom O'Hare Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Hello Laura, We meet again! Today was supposed to be my monthly day at the Buffalo library as a genealogical volunteer, but I just returned home Saturday to find my yard looking somewhat like an impact zone on the business end of 8-inch howitzers thanks to the "October Surprise", a devastating ice/snow/wind storm. Anyway I can't spend too much time now until I get my yard cleaned up...it'll take a week or more. I'm delighted that you took the time to enlighten us on Ancestry's latest rip-off. I have had a complaint pending with the BBB in Utah since June regarding Ancestry's (My Family.com) processing of some Irish surnames. I first complained to Ancestry in February or earlier. They have never admitted that any problem exists. The BBB has not prodded them to resolve this matter. Maybe its a case of Utah folks sticking together.I am now considering complaints to the FTC, US Attorney in Utah, and the Utah Attorney General. Ancestry clearly has a serious ethics problem and will not respond to criticisms. I wonder if it would be feasible to join together, solicit volunteers, and attempt to deal with them as a group of dissatisfied customers. Even a class action suit might not be out of the question. I don't have more time now but I do want to pursue this in a couple of weeks. Regards, Tom O'Hare, Clarence, NY PS -- My Family.com, the parent company, is regarded as "satisfactory" by the Utah BBB even though they have received more than 700 complaints against them. Check the BBB web site. ---- Original Message ----- From: "L Greene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > Erin, > That's true - you had to upgrade to US Deluxe from US Records Collection > to > gain access to any new records added as noted in Ancestry's Newsletter of > Dec 2005. After upgrading, you were to get access to ANY record having to > do with residents living in America - so records of any ship to America, > any > immigrant groups to America, etc. And for some time those records, > including > all newly added ones, were available. However, a huge brand new slew of > American records were just added that they are not allowing US Deluxe > subscribers to access - they are requiring yet another upgrade to World > Deluxe. (For example - Scot surnames in America is requiring a World > Deluxe > upgrade, even though clearly this record is about people living on US > soil. > This is not in keeping with what Ancestry promised to US Deluxe > subscribers > when they upgraded). > > We have contacted Ancestry Customer Service - I even spoke with a manager > there who can do nothing but pass the world along. (Note again - all > earlier records of the Irish, or the Scottish, or the English, or the > Russian, or whatever, living in America are supposed to be in the US > Deluxe > subscription, and in fact are accessible. Only the new ones being added > now > are being closed out to US Deluxe subscribers. > > The main problem here is that people upgrade their subscription, then a > few > months down the road aren't able to access what they were told they were > subscribing to without doing ANOTHER upgrade - a very expensive one at > that. > If enough people post on Ancestry.com's site comment boards, perhaps they > will reconsider. Of course, this could be very wishful thinking on my > part. > :-) > > I appreciate that this is not a specific Cattaraugus county request for > help, but since so many of us use Ancestry, I thought it would be ok to > post > the issue and request support. > Laura > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:45 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes >> >> >> Laura - >> >> Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the >> sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription >> because the new US records wouldn't be accessable >> otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! >> >> Erin >> >> In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard >> Time, [email protected] writes: >> >> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows >> access to any records of US residents, we no longer have >> access to many new US records being added. They are now >> requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly >> $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told >> they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription >> >> >>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/7538.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry, didn't realise it was the wrong board. Jane

Hello Group, I read a message from a person on the list that said they volunteered at the Buffalo Public Library. By mistake I deleted the message. Would that person contact me outside of the list. [email protected] Thanks Philo Redfield --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Van Dyke, Chase and Rowe Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/848.1 Message Board Post: New e-mail address [email protected] I have info on the Van Dyke's and Chase's. Tell me who you are looking for and I will see what I can find.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/480.2.1 Message Board Post: My line is via Orlinda's brother, Harvey Sackett 1807-1889 and Mary Straw 1810-1883. Their daughter, Lovina Ruth Sackett 1834-1907 married Hiram Jackson Rhodes 1835-1871. I don't really have any information regarding the Fox genealogy.

Judy, I'm not sure what you mean about my old road in my address. My street address is 228 Spring Street, but we don't use that in our address, as we have a post office box where we have our mail sent. I recommend we have a massive letter writing to the CEO of the parent company before we institute a class action law suit. If we do not receive an acceptable response from the letter writing campaign, then we look into a class action lawsuit. Let's try to first appeal to their sense of fairness (if they have one), and save the more aggressive approach as a backup strategy. What do the rest of you think? Dr. Dixon G. Doc STEVENS [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SCHWAN Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Anyone know a lawyer who would take the case? Dixon Doc, as a town historian, could you get the town to recommend someone? We would contribute as well. I see the address isn't on your old road... did you move? Judy Schwan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. Dixon G. Stevens Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Why don't we all band together and initiate a Class Action Lawsuit against Ancestry.com and their parent company. Maybe that is the only thing those greedy _ _ _ _ _ _ _ will understand. I would be glad to make a contribution towards a legal fund. Dr. Dixon G. Doc STEVENS P. O. Box 173 East Randolph, NY, USA 14730-0173 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom O'Hare Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Hello Laura, We meet again! Today was supposed to be my monthly day at the Buffalo library as a genealogical volunteer, but I just returned home Saturday to find my yard looking somewhat like an impact zone on the business end of 8-inch howitzers thanks to the "October Surprise", a devastating ice/snow/wind storm. Anyway I can't spend too much time now until I get my yard cleaned up...it'll take a week or more. I'm delighted that you took the time to enlighten us on Ancestry's latest rip-off. I have had a complaint pending with the BBB in Utah since June regarding Ancestry's (My Family.com) processing of some Irish surnames. I first complained to Ancestry in February or earlier. They have never admitted that any problem exists. The BBB has not prodded them to resolve this matter. Maybe its a case of Utah folks sticking together.I am now considering complaints to the FTC, US Attorney in Utah, and the Utah Attorney General. Ancestry clearly has a serious ethics problem and will not respond to criticisms. I wonder if it would be feasible to join together, solicit volunteers, and attempt to deal with them as a group of dissatisfied customers. Even a class action suit might not be out of the question. I don't have more time now but I do want to pursue this in a couple of weeks. Regards, Tom O'Hare, Clarence, NY PS -- My Family.com, the parent company, is regarded as "satisfactory" by the Utah BBB even though they have received more than 700 complaints against them. Check the BBB web site. ---- Original Message ----- From: "L Greene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > Erin, > That's true - you had to upgrade to US Deluxe from US Records Collection > to > gain access to any new records added as noted in Ancestry's Newsletter of > Dec 2005. After upgrading, you were to get access to ANY record having to > do with residents living in America - so records of any ship to America, > any > immigrant groups to America, etc. And for some time those records, > including > all newly added ones, were available. However, a huge brand new slew of > American records were just added that they are not allowing US Deluxe > subscribers to access - they are requiring yet another upgrade to World > Deluxe. (For example - Scot surnames in America is requiring a World > Deluxe > upgrade, even though clearly this record is about people living on US > soil. > This is not in keeping with what Ancestry promised to US Deluxe > subscribers > when they upgraded). > > We have contacted Ancestry Customer Service - I even spoke with a manager > there who can do nothing but pass the world along. (Note again - all > earlier records of the Irish, or the Scottish, or the English, or the > Russian, or whatever, living in America are supposed to be in the US > Deluxe > subscription, and in fact are accessible. Only the new ones being added > now > are being closed out to US Deluxe subscribers. > > The main problem here is that people upgrade their subscription, then a > few > months down the road aren't able to access what they were told they were > subscribing to without doing ANOTHER upgrade - a very expensive one at > that. > If enough people post on Ancestry.com's site comment boards, perhaps they > will reconsider. Of course, this could be very wishful thinking on my > part. > :-) > > I appreciate that this is not a specific Cattaraugus county request for > help, but since so many of us use Ancestry, I thought it would be ok to > post > the issue and request support. > Laura > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:45 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes >> >> >> Laura - >> >> Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the >> sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription >> because the new US records wouldn't be accessable >> otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! >> >> Erin >> >> In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard >> Time, [email protected] writes: >> >> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows >> access to any records of US residents, we no longer have >> access to many new US records being added. They are now >> requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly >> $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told >> they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/516.362 Message Board Post: Kay: I am helping a friend research a C. Elijah Brownell in New York prob. Wayne Co. in the Town of Galen. I can't find him or his sister Mary. In 1860 C. Elijah was abt 14 and Mary would have been abt 9. I don't know who his parents are. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Denise

Re: Cousin Tom's referral to Utah BBB complaint: having lived in AZ since '84 + knowing Church Of LDS (+ business tithing, etc.) I'd be willing to bet a beef on 'wick dinner nada will come of it (LDS controls Utah govmt, and majority of businesses- + "boy-howdy" they realized there's a gold mine in Geneology). Unfortunately it's a case of LBB (let the buyer BEWARE). Stop feeding the Morman Machine + Regards. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Tom O'Hare" <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:59:14 To:<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Hello Laura, We meet again! Today was supposed to be my monthly day at the Buffalo library as a genealogical volunteer, but I just returned home Saturday to find my yard looking somewhat like an impact zone on the business end of 8-inch howitzers thanks to the "October Surprise", a devastating ice/snow/wind storm. Anyway I can't spend too much time now until I get my yard cleaned up...it'll take a week or more. I'm delighted that you took the time to enlighten us on Ancestry's latest rip-off. I have had a complaint pending with the BBB in Utah since June regarding Ancestry's (My Family.com) processing of some Irish surnames. I first complained to Ancestry in February or earlier. They have never admitted that any problem exists. The BBB has not prodded them to resolve this matter. Maybe its a case of Utah folks sticking together.I am now considering complaints to the FTC, US Attorney in Utah, and the Utah Attorney General. Ancestry clearly has a serious ethics problem and will not respond to criticisms. I wonder if it would be feasible to join together, solicit volunteers, and attempt to deal with them as a group of dissatisfied customers. Even a class action suit might not be out of the question. I don't have more time now but I do want to pursue this in a couple of weeks. Regards, Tom O'Hare, Clarence, NY PS -- My Family.com, the parent company, is regarded as "satisfactory" by the Utah BBB even though they have received more than 700 complaints against them. Check the BBB web site. ---- Original Message ----- From: "L Greene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > Erin, > That's true - you had to upgrade to US Deluxe from US Records Collection > to > gain access to any new records added as noted in Ancestry's Newsletter of > Dec 2005. After upgrading, you were to get access to ANY record having to > do with residents living in America - so records of any ship to America, > any > immigrant groups to America, etc. And for some time those records, > including > all newly added ones, were available. However, a huge brand new slew of > American records were just added that they are not allowing US Deluxe > subscribers to access - they are requiring yet another upgrade to World > Deluxe. (For example - Scot surnames in America is requiring a World > Deluxe > upgrade, even though clearly this record is about people living on US > soil. > This is not in keeping with what Ancestry promised to US Deluxe > subscribers > when they upgraded). > > We have contacted Ancestry Customer Service - I even spoke with a manager > there who can do nothing but pass the world along. (Note again - all > earlier records of the Irish, or the Scottish, or the English, or the > Russian, or whatever, living in America are supposed to be in the US > Deluxe > subscription, and in fact are accessible. Only the new ones being added > now > are being closed out to US Deluxe subscribers. > > The main problem here is that people upgrade their subscription, then a > few > months down the road aren't able to access what they were told they were > subscribing to without doing ANOTHER upgrade - a very expensive one at > that. > If enough people post on Ancestry.com's site comment boards, perhaps they > will reconsider. Of course, this could be very wishful thinking on my > part. > :-) > > I appreciate that this is not a specific Cattaraugus county request for > help, but since so many of us use Ancestry, I thought it would be ok to > post > the issue and request support. > Laura > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:45 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes >> >> >> Laura - >> >> Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the >> sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription >> because the new US records wouldn't be accessable >> otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! >> >> Erin >> >> In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard >> Time, [email protected] writes: >> >> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows >> access to any records of US residents, we no longer have >> access to many new US records being added. They are now >> requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly >> $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told >> they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: COHEN/BAUERLE/DEWEY/SMITH/RUNNELS/COUGHLIN/NICHOLS/FINGERS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/4850.1 Message Board Post: Thank you so much for posting this so long ago. Luman R. Dewey, noted at the end of your entry is my great-grandfather. He became a railroad tycoon, selling brakes to the railroads. He married Minnie Runnels, and they had William Ralph Dewey, my grandfather; also Inez, who married Gardner Coughlin, and Mary. William had a son, William Ralph Dewey, Jr.--my father. He married Marilyn Smith Dewey in Detroit, daughter of Lester Anthony Smith and Alice Ogden Smith in 1947. They had 3 children--myself, Dianne Evelyn Dewey, who married Frederick Nichols; and William Lester Dewey, who married Carol Fingers. I have two sons by my first husband, Norman F. Bauerle of Adrian Michigan. We had Todd LeRoy Bauerle b. 8-25-78 in Adrian, Mi and Evan William Bauerle, b. 10-03-86 in Scottsdale, AZ. I divorced Norman in 1992 in Scottsdale, married Paul Marvin Cohen in 1998 in Scottsdale AZ, and divorced Paul in 2002 in Leelanau County, Michigan.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Funnels/Dewey/Barret/Ballou/Younameit Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RRB.2ACE/3444.3754.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, I never got this message! Been busy writing a book, but back to searching. Never found anything on Eliza Barret or Barrett. Sure wish I had replied when you were going to Otto! Linda

Anyone know a lawyer who would take the case? Dixon Doc, as a town historian, could you get the town to recommend someone? We would contribute as well. I see the address isn't on your old road... did you move? Judy Schwan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. Dixon G. Stevens Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Why don't we all band together and initiate a Class Action Lawsuit against Ancestry.com and their parent company. Maybe that is the only thing those greedy _ _ _ _ _ _ _ will understand. I would be glad to make a contribution towards a legal fund. Dr. Dixon G. Doc STEVENS P. O. Box 173 East Randolph, NY, USA 14730-0173 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom O'Hare Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Hello Laura, We meet again! Today was supposed to be my monthly day at the Buffalo library as a genealogical volunteer, but I just returned home Saturday to find my yard looking somewhat like an impact zone on the business end of 8-inch howitzers thanks to the "October Surprise", a devastating ice/snow/wind storm. Anyway I can't spend too much time now until I get my yard cleaned up...it'll take a week or more. I'm delighted that you took the time to enlighten us on Ancestry's latest rip-off. I have had a complaint pending with the BBB in Utah since June regarding Ancestry's (My Family.com) processing of some Irish surnames. I first complained to Ancestry in February or earlier. They have never admitted that any problem exists. The BBB has not prodded them to resolve this matter. Maybe its a case of Utah folks sticking together.I am now considering complaints to the FTC, US Attorney in Utah, and the Utah Attorney General. Ancestry clearly has a serious ethics problem and will not respond to criticisms. I wonder if it would be feasible to join together, solicit volunteers, and attempt to deal with them as a group of dissatisfied customers. Even a class action suit might not be out of the question. I don't have more time now but I do want to pursue this in a couple of weeks. Regards, Tom O'Hare, Clarence, NY PS -- My Family.com, the parent company, is regarded as "satisfactory" by the Utah BBB even though they have received more than 700 complaints against them. Check the BBB web site. ---- Original Message ----- From: "L Greene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > Erin, > That's true - you had to upgrade to US Deluxe from US Records Collection > to > gain access to any new records added as noted in Ancestry's Newsletter of > Dec 2005. After upgrading, you were to get access to ANY record having to > do with residents living in America - so records of any ship to America, > any > immigrant groups to America, etc. And for some time those records, > including > all newly added ones, were available. However, a huge brand new slew of > American records were just added that they are not allowing US Deluxe > subscribers to access - they are requiring yet another upgrade to World > Deluxe. (For example - Scot surnames in America is requiring a World > Deluxe > upgrade, even though clearly this record is about people living on US > soil. > This is not in keeping with what Ancestry promised to US Deluxe > subscribers > when they upgraded). > > We have contacted Ancestry Customer Service - I even spoke with a manager > there who can do nothing but pass the world along. (Note again - all > earlier records of the Irish, or the Scottish, or the English, or the > Russian, or whatever, living in America are supposed to be in the US > Deluxe > subscription, and in fact are accessible. Only the new ones being added > now > are being closed out to US Deluxe subscribers. > > The main problem here is that people upgrade their subscription, then a > few > months down the road aren't able to access what they were told they were > subscribing to without doing ANOTHER upgrade - a very expensive one at > that. > If enough people post on Ancestry.com's site comment boards, perhaps they > will reconsider. Of course, this could be very wishful thinking on my > part. > :-) > > I appreciate that this is not a specific Cattaraugus county request for > help, but since so many of us use Ancestry, I thought it would be ok to > post > the issue and request support. > Laura > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:45 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes >> >> >> Laura - >> >> Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the >> sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription >> because the new US records wouldn't be accessable >> otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! >> >> Erin >> >> In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard >> Time, [email protected] writes: >> >> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows >> access to any records of US residents, we no longer have >> access to many new US records being added. They are now >> requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly >> $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told >> they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Jeff, you've got this one wrong. The LDS church does not make money on genealogy. The church has nothing to do with MyFamily/Ancestry other than that many of the employees happen to be LDS. The church has it's own free website (FamilySearch.org) and practically gives away its genealogy software & materials. I can't even imagine the miliions of dollars that have been spent around the world to get all the information that's available in the Salt Lake Family History Library. It's all FREE, including library access to Ancestry.com. You are right about the "gold-mine" in genealogy, but the LDS church isn't "mining" here - it's giving away the "gold"! Cheers! Erin Pritchett Highland UTAH In a message dated 10/23/2006 3:45:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Re: Cousin Tom's referral to Utah BBB complaint: having lived in AZ since '84 + knowing Church Of LDS (+ business tithing, etc.) I'd be willing to bet a beef on 'wick dinner nada will come of it (LDS controls Utah govmt, and majority of businesses- + "boy-howdy" they realized there's a gold mine in Geneology). Unfortunately it's a case of LBB (let the buyer BEWARE). Stop feeding the Morman Machine + Regards. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Why don't we all band together and initiate a Class Action Lawsuit against Ancestry.com and their parent company. Maybe that is the only thing those greedy _ _ _ _ _ _ _ will understand. I would be glad to make a contribution towards a legal fund. Dr. Dixon G. Doc STEVENS P. O. Box 173 East Randolph, NY, USA 14730-0173 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom O'Hare Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes Hello Laura, We meet again! Today was supposed to be my monthly day at the Buffalo library as a genealogical volunteer, but I just returned home Saturday to find my yard looking somewhat like an impact zone on the business end of 8-inch howitzers thanks to the "October Surprise", a devastating ice/snow/wind storm. Anyway I can't spend too much time now until I get my yard cleaned up...it'll take a week or more. I'm delighted that you took the time to enlighten us on Ancestry's latest rip-off. I have had a complaint pending with the BBB in Utah since June regarding Ancestry's (My Family.com) processing of some Irish surnames. I first complained to Ancestry in February or earlier. They have never admitted that any problem exists. The BBB has not prodded them to resolve this matter. Maybe its a case of Utah folks sticking together.I am now considering complaints to the FTC, US Attorney in Utah, and the Utah Attorney General. Ancestry clearly has a serious ethics problem and will not respond to criticisms. I wonder if it would be feasible to join together, solicit volunteers, and attempt to deal with them as a group of dissatisfied customers. Even a class action suit might not be out of the question. I don't have more time now but I do want to pursue this in a couple of weeks. Regards, Tom O'Hare, Clarence, NY PS -- My Family.com, the parent company, is regarded as "satisfactory" by the Utah BBB even though they have received more than 700 complaints against them. Check the BBB web site. ---- Original Message ----- From: "L Greene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > Erin, > That's true - you had to upgrade to US Deluxe from US Records Collection > to > gain access to any new records added as noted in Ancestry's Newsletter of > Dec 2005. After upgrading, you were to get access to ANY record having to > do with residents living in America - so records of any ship to America, > any > immigrant groups to America, etc. And for some time those records, > including > all newly added ones, were available. However, a huge brand new slew of > American records were just added that they are not allowing US Deluxe > subscribers to access - they are requiring yet another upgrade to World > Deluxe. (For example - Scot surnames in America is requiring a World > Deluxe > upgrade, even though clearly this record is about people living on US > soil. > This is not in keeping with what Ancestry promised to US Deluxe > subscribers > when they upgraded). > > We have contacted Ancestry Customer Service - I even spoke with a manager > there who can do nothing but pass the world along. (Note again - all > earlier records of the Irish, or the Scottish, or the English, or the > Russian, or whatever, living in America are supposed to be in the US > Deluxe > subscription, and in fact are accessible. Only the new ones being added > now > are being closed out to US Deluxe subscribers. > > The main problem here is that people upgrade their subscription, then a > few > months down the road aren't able to access what they were told they were > subscribing to without doing ANOTHER upgrade - a very expensive one at > that. > If enough people post on Ancestry.com's site comment boards, perhaps they > will reconsider. Of course, this could be very wishful thinking on my > part. > :-) > > I appreciate that this is not a specific Cattaraugus county request for > help, but since so many of us use Ancestry, I thought it would be ok to > post > the issue and request support. > Laura > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:45 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes >> >> >> Laura - >> >> Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the >> sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription >> because the new US records wouldn't be accessable >> otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! >> >> Erin >> >> In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard >> Time, [email protected] writes: >> >> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows >> access to any records of US residents, we no longer have >> access to many new US records being added. They are now >> requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly >> $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told >> they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Laura, We meet again! Today was supposed to be my monthly day at the Buffalo library as a genealogical volunteer, but I just returned home Saturday to find my yard looking somewhat like an impact zone on the business end of 8-inch howitzers thanks to the "October Surprise", a devastating ice/snow/wind storm. Anyway I can't spend too much time now until I get my yard cleaned up...it'll take a week or more. I'm delighted that you took the time to enlighten us on Ancestry's latest rip-off. I have had a complaint pending with the BBB in Utah since June regarding Ancestry's (My Family.com) processing of some Irish surnames. I first complained to Ancestry in February or earlier. They have never admitted that any problem exists. The BBB has not prodded them to resolve this matter. Maybe its a case of Utah folks sticking together.I am now considering complaints to the FTC, US Attorney in Utah, and the Utah Attorney General. Ancestry clearly has a serious ethics problem and will not respond to criticisms. I wonder if it would be feasible to join together, solicit volunteers, and attempt to deal with them as a group of dissatisfied customers. Even a class action suit might not be out of the question. I don't have more time now but I do want to pursue this in a couple of weeks. Regards, Tom O'Hare, Clarence, NY PS -- My Family.com, the parent company, is regarded as "satisfactory" by the Utah BBB even though they have received more than 700 complaints against them. Check the BBB web site. ---- Original Message ----- From: "L Greene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes > Erin, > That's true - you had to upgrade to US Deluxe from US Records Collection > to > gain access to any new records added as noted in Ancestry's Newsletter of > Dec 2005. After upgrading, you were to get access to ANY record having to > do with residents living in America - so records of any ship to America, > any > immigrant groups to America, etc. And for some time those records, > including > all newly added ones, were available. However, a huge brand new slew of > American records were just added that they are not allowing US Deluxe > subscribers to access - they are requiring yet another upgrade to World > Deluxe. (For example - Scot surnames in America is requiring a World > Deluxe > upgrade, even though clearly this record is about people living on US > soil. > This is not in keeping with what Ancestry promised to US Deluxe > subscribers > when they upgraded). > > We have contacted Ancestry Customer Service - I even spoke with a manager > there who can do nothing but pass the world along. (Note again - all > earlier records of the Irish, or the Scottish, or the English, or the > Russian, or whatever, living in America are supposed to be in the US > Deluxe > subscription, and in fact are accessible. Only the new ones being added > now > are being closed out to US Deluxe subscribers. > > The main problem here is that people upgrade their subscription, then a > few > months down the road aren't able to access what they were told they were > subscribing to without doing ANOTHER upgrade - a very expensive one at > that. > If enough people post on Ancestry.com's site comment boards, perhaps they > will reconsider. Of course, this could be very wishful thinking on my > part. > :-) > > I appreciate that this is not a specific Cattaraugus county request for > help, but since so many of us use Ancestry, I thought it would be ok to > post > the issue and request support. > Laura > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:45 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NYCATTAR] Ancestry.com changes >> >> >> Laura - >> >> Which records are you neot able to access? I was told by the >> sales rep that I had to upgrade to the US Deluxe subscription >> because the new US records wouldn't be accessable >> otherwise... Let me know and I'll give them a call! >> >> Erin >> >> In a message dated 10/22/2006 1:25:22 PM Mountain Standard >> Time, [email protected] writes: >> >> For those of us with the US Deluxe subscription that allows >> access to any records of US residents, we no longer have >> access to many new US records being added. They are now >> requiring an upgrade to World Deluxe (for a whopping yearly >> $347!)for many new US records that subscribers were told >> they would be able to access within the US Deluxe subscription >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/7538.1 Message Board Post: did u mean to post to this board? dont see the connection.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Glover Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RRB.2ACE/7477.1.3 Message Board Post: I thought you perhaps were skeptical of the connection of my Charlotte Glover Root of Kalamazoo, MI, to Henry W. Glover of Cattaraugus, NY. I've continued searching. I have information in my hand from the Weekly Courant, a local Randolph, NY newspaper, of Dec. 1880. It gives a report of my Charlotte Glover passing away at the home of nephew William Aldrich. It also states that she was the sister of "the late Henry Glover of Napoli".