Thanks for sending this, Mary. I was just wondering why I hadn't seen any discussion about it here myself, and was planning to bring it up. Here is an article about it from Dick Eastman: https://blog.eogn.com /2017/09/19/new-york-city-department-of-health-proposes-adop tion-of-125-years-for-birth-records-50-years-for-death-records-embargoes/ which includes a link to the details of the proposed rule and the opportunity to comment: http://eogn.com/2017/Transfer%20of%20records-%20Art icle%20207%20Notice%20of%20Intention.FinalApprovedforPublica tion-%209-12-17.docx.pdf (hope that link will work, otherwise click through from Dick Eastman's site - no need to register if you access it one of these ways). However, the title of the blog post is inaccurate - as it stands now, the proposal prevents access to NYC death records for 75 years, not 50. As the notice itself points out, this would mean that no new death records would be transferred to the Municipal Archives until *2024*, and no new birth records would be transferred until *2035*. Some of us might be dead by then! (Hopefully not me, but I think I'm a demographic outlier in this arena.) You can submit comments on the proposed rule online, at http://rules.cityofnewyork.us, by e-mail at resolutioncomments@health.nyc. gov, by mail at New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., CN 31 Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 Or by fax at 347-396-6087 <(347)%20396-6087>. Comments must be received by October 24, 2017. There is a public hearing in Long Island City about the change on October 24, 2017, at 10am, at New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., 3rd Floor, Rm 3-32 Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 If you can attend and speak out against these unnecessarily restrictive time limits, you should! Also, according to Brooke Schreier Ganz of Reclaim the Records <https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/>, who knows of what she speaks, this could have far-reaching impacts on records access in other jurisdictions. If a major jurisdiction like NYC adopts regulations in accordance with the Model Vital Records Act, it could influence other cities and states to do the same, severely limiting access to historical records even in places that currently have better records access than we do. Judy Russell (The Legal Genealogist <http://www.legalgenealogist.com/>) wrote about the issues with the Model Vital Records Act a few years ago: http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2013/04/09/and-one-step-back/. Kathleen http://whereyoucamefrom.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > FYI -- > > I asked Jan if it would be OK for me to forward her message to these two > lists (NYC-ROOTS and NYBROOKLYN), and she gave it to me. > > I haven't yet seen any other mention of this here. > > -- Mary > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: (US-NYC) NYC Department of Health Announces Hearing on Proposed > Embargo of Birth and Death Records and Transfer to DORIS > Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:14:00 -0700 > From: Jan Meisels Allen janmallen@att.net <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> > Reply-To: Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@att.net> > To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> > > This is for your information. > The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has proposed > transfer of birth and death records to the Department of Records and > Information Services (DORIS) after a 125 year embargo from date of birth > and > 75 years from date of death. In New York City marriage records are under > the > City Clerk's Office, not the Department of Health, and therefore marriage > records are not included in this New York City Department of Health > proposal. A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for October 24. > Records currently at DORIS (birth records up to 1909 and death records to > 1949) are not affected by the proposed rule. > > As NYC does not post proposed rules until 30 days before the > hearing/comment > period this proposed rule is not yet listed on > <http://rules.cityofnewyork.us/proposed-rules> > > However, the IAJGS Records Access Alert has posted the rules and anyone can > register to read the proposed rule and the hearing notice. To access the > IAJGS Records Access Alert archives go to: > http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts. You must be > registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access > Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts. > You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the > subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your > organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.) > > Jan Meisels Allen > Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee > [snip] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just read about this and curious as to how to proceed on a very recent issue. Going through a box of papers and found a birth certificate for a Mary Carrona b. 9 May 1940, certificate/record number 150094 in Brooklyn. Have checked with the entire family but all of us were born after 1940 and no one has any knowledge of Mary. We suspect that it was a child that passed soon after birth. Does anyone out there know if it is possible to obtain information from that record number? > On Sep 21, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor <kathleen.scarlett.ohara@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for sending this, Mary. I was just wondering why I hadn't seen any > discussion about it here myself, and was planning to bring it up. Here is > an article about it from Dick Eastman: https://blog.eogn.com > /2017/09/19/new-york-city-department-of-health-proposes-adop > tion-of-125-years-for-birth-records-50-years-for-death-records-embargoes/ > which includes a link to the details of the proposed rule and the > opportunity to comment: http://eogn.com/2017/Transfer%20of%20records-%20Art > icle%20207%20Notice%20of%20Intention.FinalApprovedforPublica > tion-%209-12-17.docx.pdf (hope that link will work, otherwise click through > from Dick Eastman's site - no need to register if you access it one of > these ways). However, the title of the blog post is inaccurate - as it > stands now, the proposal prevents access to NYC death records for 75 years, > not 50. > > As the notice itself points out, this would mean that no new death records > would be transferred to the Municipal Archives until *2024*, and no new > birth records would be transferred until *2035*. Some of us might be dead > by then! (Hopefully not me, but I think I'm a demographic outlier in this > arena.) > > You can submit comments on the proposed rule online, at > http://rules.cityofnewyork.us, by e-mail at resolutioncomments@health.nyc. > gov, by mail at > > New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene > Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., CN 31 > Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 > > Or by fax at 347-396-6087 <(347)%20396-6087>. > > Comments must be received by October 24, 2017. > > There is a public hearing in Long Island City about the change on October > 24, 2017, at 10am, at > > New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene > Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., 3rd Floor, Rm 3-32 > Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 > > If you can attend and speak out against these unnecessarily restrictive > time limits, you should! > > Also, according to Brooke Schreier Ganz of Reclaim the Records > <https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/>, who knows of what she speaks, this > could have far-reaching impacts on records access in other jurisdictions. > If a major jurisdiction like NYC adopts regulations in accordance with the > Model Vital Records Act, it could influence other cities and states to do > the same, severely limiting access to historical records even in places > that currently have better records access than we do. Judy Russell (The > Legal Genealogist <http://www.legalgenealogist.com/>) wrote about the > issues with the Model Vital Records Act a few years ago: > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2013/04/09/and-one-step-back/. > > > Kathleen > http://whereyoucamefrom.blogspot.com/ > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> > wrote: > >> FYI -- >> >> I asked Jan if it would be OK for me to forward her message to these two >> lists (NYC-ROOTS and NYBROOKLYN), and she gave it to me. >> >> I haven't yet seen any other mention of this here. >> >> -- Mary >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: (US-NYC) NYC Department of Health Announces Hearing on Proposed >> Embargo of Birth and Death Records and Transfer to DORIS >> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:14:00 -0700 >> From: Jan Meisels Allen janmallen@att.net <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> Reply-To: Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@att.net> >> To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> >> This is for your information. >> The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has proposed >> transfer of birth and death records to the Department of Records and >> Information Services (DORIS) after a 125 year embargo from date of birth >> and >> 75 years from date of death. In New York City marriage records are under >> the >> City Clerk's Office, not the Department of Health, and therefore marriage >> records are not included in this New York City Department of Health >> proposal. A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for October 24. >> Records currently at DORIS (birth records up to 1909 and death records to >> 1949) are not affected by the proposed rule. >> >> As NYC does not post proposed rules until 30 days before the >> hearing/comment >> period this proposed rule is not yet listed on >> <http://rules.cityofnewyork.us/proposed-rules> >> >> However, the IAJGS Records Access Alert has posted the rules and anyone can >> register to read the proposed rule and the hearing notice. To access the >> IAJGS Records Access Alert archives go to: >> http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts. You must be >> registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access >> Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts. >> You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the >> subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your >> organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.) >> >> Jan Meisels Allen >> Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee >> [snip] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is everyone rushing to get as many certs as possible now? >> Subject: (US-NYC) NYC Department of Health Announces Hearing on Proposed >> Embargo of Birth and Death Records and Transfer to DORIS >> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:14:00 -0700 >> From: Jan Meisels Allen janmallen@att.net <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> Reply-To: Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@att.net> >> To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> >> This is for your information. >> The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has proposed >> transfer of birth and death records to the Department of Records and >> Information Services (DORIS) after a 125 year embargo from date of birth >> and >> 75 years from date of death. In New York City marriage records are under >> the >> City Clerk's Office, not the Department of Health, and therefore marriage >> records are not included in this New York City Department of Health >> proposal. A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for October 24. >> Records currently at DORIS (birth records up to 1909 and death records to >> 1949) are not affected by the proposed rule. >> >> As NYC does not post proposed rules until 30 days before the >> hearing/comment >> period this proposed rule is not yet listed on >> <http://rules.cityofnewyork.us/proposed-rules> >> >> However, the IAJGS Records Access Alert has posted the rules and anyone can >> register to read the proposed rule and the hearing notice. To access the >> IAJGS Records Access Alert archives go to: >> http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts. You must be >> registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access >> Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts. >> You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the >> subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your >> organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.) >> >> Jan Meisels Allen >> Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

NYC DOH's been holding BC's hostage for years defying the 75yr definition of "historical" by not forwarding them to the archives. -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor Thanks for sending this, Mary. I was just wondering why I hadn't seen any discussion about it here myself, and was planning to bring it up. Here is an article about it from Dick Eastman: https://blog.eogn.com /2017/09/19/new-york-city-department-of-health-proposes-adop tion-of-125-years-for-birth-records-50-years-for-death-records-embargoes/ which includes a link to the details of the proposed rule and the opportunity to comment: http://eogn.com/2017/Transfer%20of%20records-%20Art icle%20207%20Notice%20of%20Intention.FinalApprovedforPublica tion-%209-12-17.docx.pdf (hope that link will work, otherwise click through from Dick Eastman's site - no need to register if you access it one of these ways). However, the title of the blog post is inaccurate - as it stands now, the proposal prevents access to NYC death records for 75 years, not 50.