I recently discovered that my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in England) had a first husband, by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary is enumerated as Mary Lebright in the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa and my great grandfather, William Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared up the mystery of the previously unheard of daughter.) I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 and 1891. I can only find two documents referencing her first husband: Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as Marian BAYER Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin BOYER I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The 1892 census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ census other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the thought of a divorce seems impossible.) After 1900, I can't find Mary. I've tried finding a marriage for her as both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death record, either. I've tried Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any luck in the past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL or library to check recently. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Lisa

I should add a few things - Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if Marian/Maxin died, it would be after the 1892 census but before May 1893. Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her first two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer issue, as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise BOYER on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's a bad transcription error or what.) Lisa On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently discovered that my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in > England) had a first husband, by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary > is enumerated as Mary Lebright in the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa > and my great grandfather, William Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared > up the mystery of the previously unheard of daughter.) > > I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 and 1891. I can only > find two documents referencing her first husband: > Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as > Marian BAYER > Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin BOYER > > I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The 1892 > census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ census > other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the thought of > a divorce seems impossible.) > > After 1900, I can't find Mary. I've tried finding a marriage for her as > both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death > record, either. > > I've tried Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any > luck in the past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL > or library to check recently. > > Any suggestions appreciated. > Thanks, > Lisa > > > >

Per the 1910 census, Louise Lebright is the mother of 6 children, 5 living, which appears to indicate that Mary died between 1900 and 1910 since she is listed on the 1900 census, but not the 1910, although she could have married as she would have been about 18 then, but then Louise appears to have lost one child, probably Mary. Louise is also listed as this being her first marriage. Mary was born in late 1892 and Louisa married in 1893, hmmm ....... Might Sapolise be a misunderstanding for Louisa? You should look at the document copy yourself, not just the index Census immigration year of arrival seems to be a consistent 1891 over several censuses. You might check family cemetery plots to see if Mary is listed. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 11:28 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Maxin BOYER or Marian BAYER? I should add a few things - Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if Marian/Maxin died, it would be after the 1892 census but before May 1893. Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her first two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer issue, as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise BOYER on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's a bad transcription error or what.) Lisa On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently discovered that my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in > England) had a first husband, by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary > is enumerated as Mary Lebright in the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa > and my great grandfather, William Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared > up the mystery of the previously unheard of daughter.) > > I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 and 1891. I can only > find two documents referencing her first husband: > Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as > Marian BAYER > Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin BOYER > > I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The 1892 > census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ census > other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the thought of > a divorce seems impossible.) > > After 1900, I can't find Mary. I've tried finding a marriage for her as > both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death > record, either. > > I've tried Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any > luck in the past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL > or library to check recently. > > Any suggestions appreciated. > Thanks, > Lisa > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The deceased child isn't Mary. None of that information on the 1910 census is correct. Mary isn't even included in the # of children - it only includes the sons that Louisa had with William. (There was a son that died - I have the death record.) She was definitely married to Maxin/Marion before William. And, yes, Sapolise is Louisa - just a very poorly recorded or transcribed record. I just wish she had consistently been recorded as Boyer or Bayer. I have had one family plot researched and Louisa isn't in it. (I have to check my records, but William isn't either as I recall.) There are numerous Lebrecht plots at Lutheran All Faiths - I just have to locate the other plots. Does anyone know if the cemetary still does plot searches? I had one done years ago and found lots of information with just 1 death record. I didin't see that as an option on their website when I looked recently. Lisa On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Per the 1910 census, Louise Lebright is the mother of 6 children, 5 > living, which appears to indicate that Mary died between 1900 and 1910 > since she is listed on the 1900 census, but not the 1910, although she > could have married as she would have been about 18 then, but then Louise > appears to have lost one child, probably Mary. Louise is also listed as > this being her first marriage. Mary was born in late 1892 and Louisa > married in 1893, hmmm ....... > > Might Sapolise be a misunderstanding for Louisa? You should look at the > document copy yourself, not just the index > > Census immigration year of arrival seems to be a consistent 1891 over > several censuses. > > You might check family cemetery plots to see if Mary is listed. > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> > To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 11:28 am > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Maxin BOYER or Marian BAYER? > > I should add a few things - > > Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if > Marian/Maxin died, it would > be after the 1892 census but before May > 1893. > > Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her > first > two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer > issue, > as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise > BOYER > on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's > a > bad transcription error or what.) > > Lisa > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 > PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I recently discovered that > my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in > > England) had a first husband, > by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary > > is enumerated as Mary Lebright in > the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa > > and my great grandfather, William > Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared > > up the mystery of the previously > unheard of daughter.) > > > > I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 > and 1891. I can only > > find two documents referencing her first husband: > > > Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as > > Marian > BAYER > > Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin > BOYER > > > > I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The > 1892 > > census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ > census > > other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the > thought of > > a divorce seems impossible.) > > > > After 1900, I can't find Mary. > I've tried finding a marriage for her as > > both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary > Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death > > record, either. > > > > I've tried > Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any > > luck in the > past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL > > or library to > check recently. > > > > Any suggestions appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the > list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

You could send an email as phone might be expensive. The cemetery might have a research Charge. Good luck. On 4/1/2015 3:17 PM, Lisa Thompson via wrote: > The deceased child isn't Mary. None of that information on the 1910 census > is correct. Mary isn't even included in the # of children - it only > includes the sons that Louisa had with William. (There was a son that died > - I have the death record.) She was definitely married to Maxin/Marion > before William. And, yes, Sapolise is Louisa - just a very poorly recorded > or transcribed record. I just wish she had consistently been recorded as > Boyer or Bayer. > > I have had one family plot researched and Louisa isn't in it. (I have to > check my records, but William isn't either as I recall.) There are numerous > Lebrecht plots at Lutheran All Faiths - I just have to locate the other > plots. Does anyone know if the cemetary still does plot searches? I had one > done years ago and found lots of information with just 1 death record. I > didin't see that as an option on their website when I looked recently. > > Lisa > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Per the 1910 census, Louise Lebright is the mother of 6 children, 5 >> living, which appears to indicate that Mary died between 1900 and 1910 >> since she is listed on the 1900 census, but not the 1910, although she >> could have married as she would have been about 18 then, but then Louise >> appears to have lost one child, probably Mary. Louise is also listed as >> this being her first marriage. Mary was born in late 1892 and Louisa >> married in 1893, hmmm ....... >> >> Might Sapolise be a misunderstanding for Louisa? You should look at the >> document copy yourself, not just the index >> >> Census immigration year of arrival seems to be a consistent 1891 over >> several censuses. >> >> You might check family cemetery plots to see if Mary is listed. >> >> Margaret >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lisa Thompson via <[email protected]> >> To: nyc-roots <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 11:28 am >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Maxin BOYER or Marian BAYER? >> >> I should add a few things - >> >> Louisa married William Lebrecht in 1893, so if >> Marian/Maxin died, it would >> be after the 1892 census but before May >> 1893. >> >> Louisa used her (first) married name on the birth certificates of her >> first >> two children with William. Still no clarification on the Boyer/Bayer >> issue, >> as she was Louise BAYER LEBRECHT on George's 1902 birth and Sapolise >> BOYER >> on Howard's 1899 birth. (Not sure where Sapolise came from - whether it's >> a >> bad transcription error or what.) >> >> Lisa >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:30 >> PM, Lisa Thompson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I recently discovered that >> my great grandmother, Louisa Murray (b. 1871 in >>> England) had a first husband, >> by which she had a child named Mary. (Mary >>> is enumerated as Mary Lebright in >> the 1900 census for Manhattan with Louisa >>> and my great grandfather, William >> Lebright. Husband #1's existence cleared >>> up the mystery of the previously >> unheard of daughter.) >>> I know Louisa Murray immigrated to NYC between 1881 >> and 1891. I can only >>> find two documents referencing her first husband: >>> >> Mary's 1892 birth on familysearch.org, where her father is listed as >>> Marian >> BAYER >>> Louisa & Marian in the 1892 state census, where he is listed as Maxin >> BOYER >>> I haven't had any luck turning up a death certificate for him. The >> 1892 >>> census says is birthplace is NJ but I can't find him in the NY or NJ >> census >>> other than 1892. (My grandmother was a devout churchgoer, so the >> thought of >>> a divorce seems impossible.) >>> >>> After 1900, I can't find Mary. >> I've tried finding a marriage for her as >>> both Mary Bayer/Boyer and as Mary >> Lebright/Lebrecht. Can't find a death >>> record, either. >>> >>> I've tried >> Findmypast, Italiangen and Familysearch.com. I haven't had any >>> luck in the >> past on Ancestry, but haven't been able to visit my local FHL >>> or library to >> check recently. >>> Any suggestions appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >> Lisa >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the >> list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com