Would any FHC in any state have the NY records also? or is it just the NY FHC that has NY records? Denise Irwin Pets007@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 8, 2017 2:50 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] FHC certificates I am on Long Island visiting family and went to Plainview family history center while here. I heard that they had tons of New York city vital records micro films in stock so that was my purpose. Imagine my happy surprise to find out that thousands and thousands of actual certificates that had been digitalized were just released and were available for direct viewing at the center with out using microfilm. I was even able to download the ones that I accessed to my very own computer. To try and ensure what I just said is clear, let me try to break it up into pieces so that everyone gets what I'm trying to say. 1-The family history Library has already released thousands of documents that we have been able to view online from the comfort of my own home for awhile. 2-they have been phasing out the use of microfilm over this past summer and said they would be releasing more records that could be accessed digitally. The only problem was we had no indication about which records would become digital immediately. 3-some records can only be viewed at a family history center and some can be viewed anywhere one has online access. 4-these New York records that I was able to view yesterday are only able to be viewed at a family history center. I don't know if that will be the long-term or intermediate plan. 5-even if they only can be viewed in your local family history center, the fact that you can bring your own computer and view and download them as if you were at home means EVERY family history center will have these records and no pre-ordering is required. This is fantastic. 6-my own take on the situation is that this definitely opens access for the New York city researcher. It may mean that the local family history center libraries will be busier but if one brings their own computer then the busyness should have little impact on the individual researcher. I hope that I was able to be clear about the change but if you have any questions ask away. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

IF the records are digitized why are they not available by LDS via the internet What records?? Birth, marriage, death ?? A digitized death record is meaningless anyway as it does not include cause of death What time frame ?? Hard to believe that cenetrs have digitized records if they are not on line Robert Pieterse rdpiet@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 8, 2017 2:50 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] FHC certificates I am on Long Island visiting family and went to Plainview family history center while here. I heard that they had tons of New York city vital records micro films in stock so that was my purpose. Imagine my happy surprise to find out that thousands and thousands of actual certificates that had been digitalized were just released and were available for direct viewing at the center with out using microfilm. I was even able to download the ones that I accessed to my very own computer. To try and ensure what I just said is clear, let me try to break it up into pieces so that everyone gets what I'm trying to say. 1-The family history Library has already released thousands of documents that we have been able to view online from the comfort of my own home for awhile. 2-they have been phasing out the use of microfilm over this past summer and said they would be releasing more records that could be accessed digitally. The only problem was we had no indication about which records would become digital immediately. 3-some records can only be viewed at a family history center and some can be viewed anywhere one has online access. 4-these New York records that I was able to view yesterday are only able to be viewed at a family history center. I don't know if that will be the long-term or intermediate plan. 5-even if they only can be viewed in your local family history center, the fact that you can bring your own computer and view and download them as if you were at home means EVERY family history center will have these records and no pre-ordering is required. This is fantastic. 6-my own take on the situation is that this definitely opens access for the New York city researcher. It may mean that the local family history center libraries will be busier but if one brings their own computer then the busyness should have little impact on the individual researcher. I hope that I was able to be clear about the change but if you have any questions ask away. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am on Long Island visiting family and went to Plainview family history center while here. I heard that they had tons of New York city vital records micro films in stock so that was my purpose. Imagine my happy surprise to find out that thousands and thousands of actual certificates that had been digitalized were just released and were available for direct viewing at the center with out using microfilm. I was even able to download the ones that I accessed to my very own computer. To try and ensure what I just said is clear, let me try to break it up into pieces so that everyone gets what I'm trying to say. 1-The family history Library has already released thousands of documents that we have been able to view online from the comfort of my own home for awhile. 2-they have been phasing out the use of microfilm over this past summer and said they would be releasing more records that could be accessed digitally. The only problem was we had no indication about which records would become digital immediately. 3-some records can only be viewed at a family history center and some can be viewed anywhere one has online access. 4-these New York records that I was able to view yesterday are only able to be viewed at a family history center. I don't know if that will be the long-term or intermediate plan. 5-even if they only can be viewed in your local family history center, the fact that you can bring your own computer and view and download them as if you were at home means EVERY family history center will have these records and no pre-ordering is required. This is fantastic. 6-my own take on the situation is that this definitely opens access for the New York city researcher. It may mean that the local family history center libraries will be busier but if one brings their own computer then the busyness should have little impact on the individual researcher. I hope that I was able to be clear about the change but if you have any questions ask away. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~

Hi James, Somehow the emails got confused.  I'm not going to this.  Sorry.  Good luck with your research. Barbara On Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:53 AM, James Dooley <jamestdooley@verizon.net> wrote: Good Morning Barbara, I would love to. Are you able to provide me with any additional information regarding this program? Thanks, James -----Original Message----- From: BJG <wilaray@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 6:53 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Dooley Hi James.  Will you be going to the NYBGS Research in Albany program this Fall?  I attended 2 years ago and the professional research staff from the Society helped me break through my wall and I learned a lot Good luck with your research   Barbara Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 10:16 PM, <jamestdooley@verizon.net> <jamestdooley@verizon.net> wrote: > > Good Day All, > > I have been doing a lot of research as of late regarding my family background and history. I have currently hit a dead end. I hope that some one here maybe able to assist. > > My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold. > > Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson. > The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget. > > Info that I have discovered is as follows: > > Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NY > Wife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NY > Daughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872 > Husband Surname Kelly in 1872 > Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872 > Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872 > Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872 >      Husband Surname of Day in 1872 > Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911 >    Husband Surname Welch > Son James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872 > Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872 > > Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles. > > Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady. > > I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222. > > I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories. > > Thanks, > > James > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry has a record in the New York, Death Index, 1880-1956 for an Anthony Dunleavy in Orangetown. It appears to be near Suffern.... Name: Anthony Dunleavy Death Date: 5 Aug 1939 Death Place: Orangetown, New York, USA Certificate Number: 54781 Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: NYC-ROOTS [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces+pcordes3=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandra Dunleavy Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:05 PM To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Family Mystery - Anthony Jerome Dunleavy My husband's grandfather, Anthony Jerome Dunleavy (b. 1884 in England) is the black sheep of the family. He left his wife and six children in 1927 in Scranton, PA. My husband's father never spoke of him. The last time he appears in the Scranton city directories is 1927. I have not been able to locate him in the 1930 or 1940 census. Family stories say he worked as a bellman at a hotel in NYC. I have never been able to confirm that. I do have his SSI application from 1937 which has his address in Suffern, N.Y. He listed his employer as Rockland Electric. I have communicated with descendants of one of his brothers over the years. They said that it was not unusual for Anthony to leave the family for periods of time and end up in NYC. The brothers would go to NYC, find him and bring him home to Scranton. The brother's theory is that Anthony died homeless in NYC. Anthony's name appears in one of his brother's obits in 1953 and states he lived in NJ. His name does not appear in another brother's obit in 1958. Going on that information, I requested a search at NYC municipal archives for a death certificate for 1953-1958. They came up with nothing. So my question is: where do I go from here? Am I missing something? Should I assume that he did indeed die homeless and there are no records? Any suggestions would be welcomed. Sandy Dunleavy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some of your ancestors are on Find a Grave to include your GF. Not sure what you are specifically looking for https://www.findagrave.com/ -----Original Message----- From: jamestdooley <jamestdooley@verizon.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 6, 2017 10:17 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Dooley Good Day All,I have been doing a lot of research as of late regarding my family background and history. I have currently hit a dead end. I hope that some one here maybe able to assist.My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold.Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson.The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget.Info that I have discovered is as follows:Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NYWife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NYDaughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872 Husband Surname Kelly in 1872Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872 Husband Surname of Day in 1872Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911 Husband Surname WelchSon James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles.Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady.I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222.I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories.Thanks,James -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband's grandfather, Anthony Jerome Dunleavy (b. 1884 in England) is the black sheep of the family. He left his wife and six children in 1927 in Scranton, PA. My husband's father never spoke of him. The last time he appears in the Scranton city directories is 1927. I have not been able to locate him in the 1930 or 1940 census. Family stories say he worked as a bellman at a hotel in NYC. I have never been able to confirm that. I do have his SSI application from 1937 which has his address in Suffern, N.Y. He listed his employer as Rockland Electric. I have communicated with descendants of one of his brothers over the years. They said that it was not unusual for Anthony to leave the family for periods of time and end up in NYC. The brothers would go to NYC, find him and bring him home to Scranton. The brother's theory is that Anthony died homeless in NYC. Anthony's name appears in one of his brother's obits in 1953 and states he lived in NJ. His name does not ap! pear in another brother's obit in 1958. Going on that information, I requested a search at NYC municipal archives for a death certificate for 1953-1958. They came up with nothing. So my question is: where do I go from here? Am I missing something? Should I assume that he did indeed die homeless and there are no records? Any suggestions would be welcomed. Sandy Dunleavy

Good Morning Barbara, I would love to. Are you able to provide me with any additional information regarding this program? Thanks, James -----Original Message----- From: BJG <wilaray@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 6:53 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Dooley Hi James. Will you be going to the NYBGS Research in Albany program this Fall? I attended 2 years ago and the professional research staff from the Society helped me break through my wall and I learned a lot Good luck with your research Barbara Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 10:16 PM, <jamestdooley@verizon.net> <jamestdooley@verizon.net> wrote: > > Good Day All, > > I have been doing a lot of research as of late regarding my family background and history. I have currently hit a dead end. I hope that some one here maybe able to assist. > > My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold. > > Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson. > The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget. > > Info that I have discovered is as follows: > > Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NY > Wife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NY > Daughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872 > Husband Surname Kelly in 1872 > Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872 > Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872 > Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872 > Husband Surname of Day in 1872 > Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911 > Husband Surname Welch > Son James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872 > Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872 > > Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles. > > Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady. > > I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222. > > I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories. > > Thanks, > > James > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi James. Will you be going to the NYBGS Research in Albany program this Fall? I attended 2 years ago and the professional research staff from the Society helped me break through my wall and I learned a lot Good luck with your research Barbara Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 10:16 PM, <jamestdooley@verizon.net> <jamestdooley@verizon.net> wrote: > > Good Day All, > > I have been doing a lot of research as of late regarding my family background and history. I have currently hit a dead end. I hope that some one here maybe able to assist. > > My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold. > > Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson. > The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget. > > Info that I have discovered is as follows: > > Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NY > Wife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NY > Daughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872 > Husband Surname Kelly in 1872 > Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872 > Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872 > Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872 > Husband Surname of Day in 1872 > Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911 > Husband Surname Welch > Son James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872 > Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872 > > Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles. > > Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady. > > I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222. > > I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories. > > Thanks, > > James > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James, What is it that you are trying to find out about your family? This may help group members to help you. Also, why is it that you say that Patrick Dooley's father was presumably also named Patrick? Best regards, Frances ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of jamestdooley@verizon.net <jamestdooley@verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:16 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Dooley Good Day All, I have been doing a lot of research as of late regarding my family background and history. I have currently hit a dead end. I hope that some one here maybe able to assist. My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold. Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson. The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget. Info that I have discovered is as follows: Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NY Wife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NY Daughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872 Husband Surname Kelly in 1872 Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872 Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872 Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872 Husband Surname of Day in 1872 Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911 Husband Surname Welch Son James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872 Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872 Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles. Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady. I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222. I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories. Thanks, James ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What do you need? -----Original Message----- From: jamestdooley <jamestdooley@verizon.net> My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold.Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson.The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget.Info that I have discovered is as follows: Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NY Wife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NY Daughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872 Husband Surname Kelly in 1872Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872 Husband Surname of Day in 1872Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911 Husband Surname WelchSon James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles.Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady.I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222.I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories.Thanks,James -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Day All, I have been doing a lot of research as of late regarding my family background and history. I have currently hit a dead end. I hope that some one here maybe able to assist. My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold. Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson. The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget. Info that I have discovered is as follows: Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NY Wife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NY Daughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872     Husband Surname Kelly in 1872 Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872 Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872 Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872      Husband Surname of Day in 1872 Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911     Husband Surname Welch Son James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872 Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872 Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles. Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady. I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222. I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories. Thanks, James

Good Day All, I have been doing a lot of research as of late regarding my family background and history. I have currently hit a dead end. I hope that some one here maybe able to assist. My name is James T. Dooley III. I current live and was born in Albany, NY. My grandfather (same name just Sr. - Born 1926 in Albany, NY) His grandfather's name was Charles Francis (Frank) Dooley Sr. born in 1867 in NY state possibly NYC according to his death Certificate. Here's where my trail started to get cold. Charles is found in the 1870 NY Census living in Cohoes, NY. Then listed again in 1880 with the same family as a grandson. The head of this household is listed as Patrick Dooley whom was born in Ireland abt. 1800. The first records I have found him in were in the US in 1860 living in Cohoes, NY. His Wife's name at that time was Bridget. Info that I have discovered is as follows: Patrick Dooley B abt 1800 Ireland - D abt 1881 Cohoes, NY Wife - Bridget Dooley B abt 1814 Ireland - D abt 1889 Cohoes, NY Daughter - Mary Dooley B abt 1835 Ireland - D Aft 1872     Husband Surname Kelly in 1872 Son - John Dooley B abt 1836 Ireland - D Aft 1872 Son - Michael Dooley B abt 1842 NY - D Aft 1872 Daughter - Ann Dooley B abt 1846 NY - D aft 1872      Husband Surname of Day in 1872 Daughter - Hanora Dooley B abt 1847 Canada - D 1911     Husband Surname Welch Son James J Dooley B abt 1852 NY - D aft 1872 Son Patrick Dooley B unk - D aft 1872 Patrick's will indicates that he also has a step daughter name Mary Ann McCusker. (Lived in NJ in 1880-1900) Also had a son named William who was about 7 years older than Charles. Charles's death certificate indicates that his father was Patrick Dooley, presumably the Son of Patrick Dooley and his mother was Mary Grady. I have also had my DNA tested by both Ancestry as well as 23&me. My Paternal Haplogroup is R-M222. I am extremely looking forward to networking with everyone and sharing our histories. Thanks, James

Sure wish writers would courteously delete unnecessary text. ----Original Message----- From: Robert Leonard <rgleonard@earthlink.net> My best guess is "Unknown." >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 00:50:16 +0000 >From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> I'm looking at the 1930 Census for a relative of mine. Column 22 is year of immigration to the U.S. Column 23 is Naturalization According to the guide for enumerators, and what I can see on the form: Pa is for first papers NA is for naturalized Al is for alien Unfortunately for me, that box on my relative's form says Un. Now, I have his declaration of intent filed in 1926, so it should say either Pa or Na. Does anyone have any idea of what this could mean? It's particularly important to me because there is no trace whatsoever of this guy after the 1930 Census. He was living in the part of Great Neck which became the Merchant Marine Academy a few years later, so he would have had to have moved, whether he wanted to or not. But truly there is no trace of him after this, and I think he may have gone back to Lithuania. > >I might have put this on the back burner, but I have four new cousins who seem to be the result of an affair between one of my male Lithuanian relatives and their grandmother. They'd like to know who their bio grandfather was, so I'm tracing my ggfather's brothers one by one. This man could conceivably have had a son who could be their grandfather. I've traced, or had someone, all of the brothers but two.

My best guess is "Unknown." -----Original Message----- >From: nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM >To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 12, Issue 174 > >Send NYC-ROOTS mailing list submissions to > nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-roots >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > nyc-roots-owner@rootsweb.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of NYC-ROOTS digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. UN on 1930 Census (Frances Brunner) > 2. Re: UN on 1930 Census (Tom Maloney) > 3. Re: UN on 1930 Census (Frances Brunner) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 00:50:16 +0000 >From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> >To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] UN on 1930 Census >Message-ID: > <DM5PR14MB1785BAAB739B48971C4AA7A6D9920@DM5PR14MB1785.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi, > >I'm looking at the 1930 Census for a relative of mine. > >Column 22 is year of immigration to the U.S. > >Column 23 is Naturalization > >According to the guide for enumerators, and what I can see on the form: > >Pa is for first papers > >NA is for naturalized > >Al is for alien > > >Unfortunately for me, that box on my relative's form says Un. > > >Now, I have his declaration of intent filed in 1926, so it should say either Pa or Na. > > >Does anyone have any idea of what this could mean? > >It's particularly important to me because there is no trace whatsoever of this guy after the 1930 Census. He was living in the part of Great Neck which became the Merchant Marine Academy a few years later, so he would have had to have moved, whether he wanted to or not. But truly there is no trace of him after this, and I think he may have gone back to Lithuania. > >I might have put this on the back burner, but I have four new cousins who seem to be the result of an affair between one of my male Lithuanian relatives and their grandmother. They'd like to know who their bio grandfather was, so I'm tracing my ggfather's brothers one by one. This man could conceivably have had a son who could be their grandfather. I've traced, or had someone, all of the brothers but two. > > >Any ideas would be warmly welcomed. > >Thanks, > >Frances > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. >~Francois de La Rochefoucault > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:04:03 -0400 >From: Tom Maloney <thomas.d.maloney@gmail.com> >To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] UN on 1930 Census >Message-ID: > <CAFwYpNqAGTKmDRf5Y1uOzP5OGhj348-3Mb_e6xH8MrxBuEcJgA@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >Frances, > >It may mean unknown. Perhaps a family member or neighbor supplied the >information to the enumerator and they simply had no idea about his status. > >TM > >On Aug 31, 2017 8:50 PM, "Frances Brunner" <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Hi, > >I'm looking at the 1930 Census for a relative of mine. > >Column 22 is year of immigration to the U.S. > >Column 23 is Naturalization > >According to the guide for enumerators, and what I can see on the form: > >Pa is for first papers > >NA is for naturalized > >Al is for alien > > >Unfortunately for me, that box on my relative's form says Un. > > >Now, I have his declaration of intent filed in 1926, so it should say >either Pa or Na. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 03:59:55 +0000 >From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> >To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] UN on 1930 Census >Message-ID: > <DM5PR14MB17852FAA17BDF9DAB3DA2F20D9920@DM5PR14MB1785.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >Tom: >That makes a lot of sense! Thanks! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. >~Francois de La Rochefoucault >________________________________ >From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Tom Maloney <thomas.d.maloney@gmail.com> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:04:03 PM >To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] UN on 1930 Census > >Frances, > >It may mean unknown. Perhaps a family member or neighbor supplied the >information to the enumerator and they simply had no idea about his status. > >TM > >On Aug 31, 2017 8:50 PM, "Frances Brunner" <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Hi, > >I'm looking at the 1930 Census for a relative of mine. > >Column 22 is year of immigration to the U.S. > >Column 23 is Naturalization > >According to the guide for enumerators, and what I can see on the form: > >Pa is for first papers > >NA is for naturalized > >Al is for alien > > >Unfortunately for me, that box on my relative's form says Un. > > >Now, I have his declaration of intent filed in 1926, so it should say >either Pa or Na. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------ > >Subject: Digest Footer > >To contact the NYC-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to >NYC-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the NYC-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >------------------------------ > >End of NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 12, Issue 174 >******************************************

Tom: That makes a lot of sense! Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Tom Maloney <thomas.d.maloney@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:04:03 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] UN on 1930 Census Frances, It may mean unknown. Perhaps a family member or neighbor supplied the information to the enumerator and they simply had no idea about his status. TM On Aug 31, 2017 8:50 PM, "Frances Brunner" <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi, I'm looking at the 1930 Census for a relative of mine. Column 22 is year of immigration to the U.S. Column 23 is Naturalization According to the guide for enumerators, and what I can see on the form: Pa is for first papers NA is for naturalized Al is for alien Unfortunately for me, that box on my relative's form says Un. Now, I have his declaration of intent filed in 1926, so it should say either Pa or Na. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I'm looking at the 1930 Census for a relative of mine. Column 22 is year of immigration to the U.S. Column 23 is Naturalization According to the guide for enumerators, and what I can see on the form: Pa is for first papers NA is for naturalized Al is for alien Unfortunately for me, that box on my relative's form says Un. Now, I have his declaration of intent filed in 1926, so it should say either Pa or Na. Does anyone have any idea of what this could mean? It's particularly important to me because there is no trace whatsoever of this guy after the 1930 Census. He was living in the part of Great Neck which became the Merchant Marine Academy a few years later, so he would have had to have moved, whether he wanted to or not. But truly there is no trace of him after this, and I think he may have gone back to Lithuania. I might have put this on the back burner, but I have four new cousins who seem to be the result of an affair between one of my male Lithuanian relatives and their grandmother. They'd like to know who their bio grandfather was, so I'm tracing my ggfather's brothers one by one. This man could conceivably have had a son who could be their grandfather. I've traced, or had someone, all of the brothers but two. Any ideas would be warmly welcomed. Thanks, Frances ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault

Frances, It may mean unknown. Perhaps a family member or neighbor supplied the information to the enumerator and they simply had no idea about his status. TM On Aug 31, 2017 8:50 PM, "Frances Brunner" <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi, I'm looking at the 1930 Census for a relative of mine. Column 22 is year of immigration to the U.S. Column 23 is Naturalization According to the guide for enumerators, and what I can see on the form: Pa is for first papers NA is for naturalized Al is for alien Unfortunately for me, that box on my relative's form says Un. Now, I have his declaration of intent filed in 1926, so it should say either Pa or Na.

These are searchable at Muni Arch. stillbirths, -----Original Message----- From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 29, 2017 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] UPDATE: Question regarding interments at St Patricks from 1843 That's very interesting information! It's good to know what happened to those graves/records, as I may have cause to need that in my own research. Thanks for sharing. I would also be interested in knowing how long it takes to get information from Calvary, and whether they ask for money in the end. I was told when I contacted them several years ago that they can locate information, but you have to pay for each record/name of person in each grave you are interested in. I was also told they have quite a backlog. In my case, it's likely to be the gold mine I need in order to find out more about my Irish family, especially those who were born over there, or for stillbirths, infant deaths, and other deaths that occurred when death certificates were not mandatory/enforced. Please keep us posted regarding your journey! Thanks, Frances ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:38 PM To: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] UPDATE: Question regarding interments at St Patricks from 1843 For those who expressed interest in the outcome of my original post, I contacted Old Saint Patrick's Cemetery 212-226-8075 and was told that all cemetery records for this cemetery are held at Calvary Cemetery in case you run into this situation in your tree. I called Calvary Cemetery 718-786-8000 and found out that these records are considered archival records and that the archivalist does not work on a regular schedule. I will need to send a snail mail request for this information. There is no cost for this, it is just that it requires a by hand look at the records by this certain person who has a limited schedule. I was told the records are not detailed or complete so I may never find the answer as to the burial location but most likely they are still at Old Saint Patrick's Cemetery. Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen < gailjmom@gmail.com> wrote: > I found a record on familysearch indicating a burial at St Patrick's of an > ancestor's child. > If I want to call to locate the current burial location where do I start? > I am asking because I know of the history of catholic burials which > originally were on Manhattan Island only to be disinterred and moved to > Calvary Cemetery. > Do I start with St Patrick's and if so what was the location of St > Patrick's in 1843? If so how would I find the correct phone number? If I > should start someplace else, where would that be? > TIA, > Gail Jorgensen > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, What an interesting and illuminating post.  Thank you so much for sharing your helpful information.  Virginia From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] UPDATE: Question regarding interments at St Patricks from 1843 Hello Gail, I have done some fairly extensive historical research down at Old St. Patrick's Cathedral, and the question of burials there has always been of primary interest to me. Just for the record, and before my long spiel, what was the child's family name, please? Unfortunately, the answer to your question is fairly complex.