Wow Kim! That certainly is some story about your Aunt. Amazing that you could fit the pieces together. I do agree that they 'let' us find them when they want to be found. > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC) > From: Kim Hawkins Bonetti <khawk67@yahoo.com> > To: NYC-ROOTS-L <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] brickwall coming down > Message-ID: <502345683.634311.1506707194828@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I haven't posted here in a long time. ?Over the years I've posted looking for info about my Aunt Ida Esterby. ?So many people tried to help me but I just couldn't find her. ?Well....I FOUND HER!!!!!! ?I've been searching for her for 20 years.? > What I knew for a fact was that she was living with her parents on the 1892 and 1900 census. ?Then I found a newspaper article dated 1903 that said Ida's father Hans accused her of abusing the younger children in the home and Ida was put into the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children while an investigation was ongoing. ?I never found out the outcome of the investigation but I find Ida again on the 1905 New Jersey Census living with a Methodist minister and his family by the name of Reverend Joseph Owen. ?After that I lost track of her. ?There was a Lydia Esterby on the 1910 New York Census living at the Florence Mission with a newborn baby daughter (b. April ?1910) but I could never prove if it was her. ?I heard that many woman who lived at the mission changed their names to protect their reputation. ?The Florence Mission was a home for woman who had children out of wedlock (among other things). ?The babies name was LeNora Esterby and I could not find a Lydia or a ! Len > ora on any other records. ? Then a few months ago I had a DNA match with a guy named Matt. ?When I looked at his tree to look for common names, we didn't have any but he had an Ida Owen in his tree. ?She married a Sidney Millson in 1916 and she was listed on the 1920, 1930, and 1940 census's living in Pennsylvania but he didn't have any parents listed for her and nothing before her marriage in 1916. ?I thought maybe my Ida took the name Owen, after the family she lived with in 1905. ?I wrote to Matt but he never responded. ?This Ida Owen name kept bugging me, so I started looking for her in other people's trees and I found a guy named Charlie who also had her in his tree. ?I wrote to him and he responded. ?Ida was his grandmother and he said she was a compulsive liar. She made up several stories about how and where she was born and who her parents were. ?Also...when she married Sidney in 1916, she had already had a daughter...born April 2, 1910. ?I went back and looked at ! th > at 1910 census with Lydia Esterby and I noticed a woman name! > d Oleda D. Cole age 20 who was a worker at the Florence Mission....Ida Owen wrote the name of her mother on her marriage record as Oleda Cole. ? The pieces were starting to fit. ?I still can't find Ida on the 1915 census or her husband Sidney and I'm dying to know what happened to her between 1910 and when she married Sidney in 1916. ?Matt is also a DNA match to my mom and my cousin Christy...who is the granddaughter of Ida's sister. ?So I know for a fact Matts family is related on my Esterby side. ? So I'm positive that Ida Millson is my Ida Esterby. ?Charlie just ordered his DNA test.? > Weird thing...Ida and Sidney moved to Ellwood City, PA not long after they married, its just north of Pittsburgh. ?I live north of Detroit and my hubby took me on a weekend trip for my 50th birthday...we drove to Shanksville, PA to see the United 93 memorial and then we went to Pittsburgh to see Mama Mia....we drove right past the town of Ellwood City. ?If I would have found her 2 months ago I would have stopped to visit her grave. ?I swear she sensed my presence and called out to me to be found. ?It was a total long shot that Ida Owen was my Ida Esterby but it just kept bugging me. ? > At some point, Ida changed Lenora's name to Oleda. ?I don't know if Ida was friends with this Oleda or just remembers her from the Florence Mission but for some reason she used her name as her mothers name on her marriage cert and changed her daughters name to Oleda. ?She also told her family that she was born on an ocean liner named Oceanus and that she was orphaned on the ship but that she was also related to the Winthrop family who helped settle Massachusetts. ?She also told people that she was a Winthrop from White Plains, Westchester, NY. ?Even naming her 2nd child, a son with Sidney, John Winthrop Millson. ? I think the name Winthrop could be significant to Ida for some reason. ?Did she take the name from someone she knew or did she just want people to think she came from a prominent family? ? Ida also told people that Lenora/Oleda's father was killed in a fire in Connecticut along with another child. ?I tried searching all these stories and can't find any truth to a! ny > of them. ?OH...also...Ida Millsons birthdate is July 20, 1889 and my Ida Esterby is listed on 2 census's with the birthdate July 1889. > I just wanted to share my success story and to thank everyone who tried to help in the past.? > Kim > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC) > From: VLB <vlbcfb@yahoo.com> > To: MizScarlettNY <mizscarlettny@aol.com>, "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" > <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>, "ny-irish@rootsweb.com" > <ny-irish@rootsweb.com>, "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" > <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com" > <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] How to research 1867 real estate record? > Message-ID: <2144533771.634188.1506710919277@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Good to know. Thanks, Barb. Virginia > > From: MizScarlettNY <mizscarlettny@aol.com> > To: vlbcfb@yahoo.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > Cc: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: How to research 1867 real estate record? > > I have intra-familial real estate transactions between Manhattan and Bronx familiesand both residences were noted in NYT. > B > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the NYC-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NYC-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 12, Issue 205 > ******************************************

Thanks very much for this, Kathleen.  The FS info includes everything on those cards but there was no sketch for William Sheehan's land purchase.  It did have a detailed description.  I noticed that the purchase after his did include a sketch. As an aside, I also noticed that because I was searching the letter S for Sheehan, I came upon a number of St (for Saint, not street) land purchases as churches were being founded at quite a rate as Brooklyn grew.  Not all of the 'St' churches were Catholic; some were Episcopalian.  Interesting for those searching parish histories tho often a parish was formed before they had a church building.Thanks, Virginia From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor <kathleen.scarlett.ohara@gmail.com>   Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] How to research 1867 real estate record? The Brooklyn Historical Society has a collection (not online) titled Brooklyn Land Conveyances, 1699-1896 that consists of index card abstracts of land transactions in Brooklyn. I don't know whether these are abstracted from the same "New York Land Records, 1630-1975" that you've already searched. It might be worth finding out. When I did some research in the collection a few years ago, I wrote this post, which has images of the cards, so you can see what is included: http://whereyoucamefrom.blogspot.com/2012/09/church-of-visitation-of-blessed-virgin.html Here's some more info from the NYPL about searching real estate records in person: https://www.nypl.org/blog/2011/07/26/nyc-land-conveyances-what-they-are-and-how-they-work. Again, I'm not sure how what exists on-site at some of these institutions differs from what you've found digitized through FS.  Kathleen

Is everyone rushing to get as many certs as possible now? >> Subject: (US-NYC) NYC Department of Health Announces Hearing on Proposed >> Embargo of Birth and Death Records and Transfer to DORIS >> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:14:00 -0700 >> From: Jan Meisels Allen janmallen@att.net <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> Reply-To: Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@att.net> >> To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> >> This is for your information. >> The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has proposed >> transfer of birth and death records to the Department of Records and >> Information Services (DORIS) after a 125 year embargo from date of birth >> and >> 75 years from date of death. In New York City marriage records are under >> the >> City Clerk's Office, not the Department of Health, and therefore marriage >> records are not included in this New York City Department of Health >> proposal. A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for October 24. >> Records currently at DORIS (birth records up to 1909 and death records to >> 1949) are not affected by the proposed rule. >> >> As NYC does not post proposed rules until 30 days before the >> hearing/comment >> period this proposed rule is not yet listed on >> <http://rules.cityofnewyork.us/proposed-rules> >> >> However, the IAJGS Records Access Alert has posted the rules and anyone can >> register to read the proposed rule and the hearing notice. To access the >> IAJGS Records Access Alert archives go to: >> http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts. You must be >> registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access >> Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts. >> You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the >> subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your >> organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.) >> >> Jan Meisels Allen >> Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

Great story, Kim. Congratulations on your successful discovery. ???? I too have been searching for a family member for about 20 years and am finally finding pieces of the puzzle that seem to fit. Regards, Lynne Kemp. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+dent_48=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Kim Hawkins Bonetti <khawk67@yahoo.com> Sent: September 29, 2017 12:46:34 PM To: NYC-ROOTS-L Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] brickwall coming down I haven't posted here in a long time. Over the years I've posted looking for info about my Aunt Ida Esterby. So many people tried to help me but I just couldn't find her. Well....I FOUND HER!!!!!! I've been searching for her for 20 years. What I knew for a fact was that she was living with her parents on the 1892 and 1900 census. Then I found a newspaper article dated 1903 that said Ida's father Hans accused her of abusing the younger children in the home and Ida was put into the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children while an investigation was ongoing. I never found out the outcome of the investigation but I find Ida again on the 1905 New Jersey Census living with a Methodist minister and his family by the name of Reverend Joseph Owen. After that I lost track of her. There was a Lydia Esterby on the 1910 New York Census living at the Florence Mission with a newborn baby daughter (b. April 1910) but I could never prove if it was her. I heard that many woman who lived at the mission changed their names to protect their reputation. The Florence Mission was a home for woman who had children out of wedlock (among other things). The babies name was LeNora Esterby and I could not find a Lydia or a Lenora on any other records. Then a few months ago I had a DNA match with a guy named Matt. When I looked at his tree to look for common names, we didn't have any but he had an Ida Owen in his tree. She married a Sidney Millson in 1916 and she was listed on the 1920, 1930, and 1940 census's living in Pennsylvania but he didn't have any parents listed for her and nothing before her marriage in 1916. I thought maybe my Ida took the name Owen, after the family she lived with in 1905. I wrote to Matt but he never responded. This Ida Owen name kept bugging me, so I started looking for her in other people's trees and I found a guy named Charlie who also had her in his tree. I wrote to him and he responded. Ida was his grandmother and he said she was a compulsive liar. She made up several stories about how and where she was born and who her parents were. Also...when she married Sidney in 1916, she had already had a daughter...born April 2, 1910. I went back and looked at that 1910 census with Lydia Esterby and I noticed a woman named Oleda D . Cole age 20 who was a worker at the Florence Mission....Ida Owen wrote the name of her mother on her marriage record as Oleda Cole. The pieces were starting to fit. I still can't find Ida on the 1915 census or her husband Sidney and I'm dying to know what happened to her between 1910 and when she married Sidney in 1916. Matt is also a DNA match to my mom and my cousin Christy...who is the granddaughter of Ida's sister. So I know for a fact Matts family is related on my Esterby side. So I'm positive that Ida Millson is my Ida Esterby. Charlie just ordered his DNA test. Weird thing...Ida and Sidney moved to Ellwood City, PA not long after they married, its just north of Pittsburgh. I live north of Detroit and my hubby took me on a weekend trip for my 50th birthday...we drove to Shanksville, PA to see the United 93 memorial and then we went to Pittsburgh to see Mama Mia....we drove right past the town of Ellwood City. If I would have found her 2 months ago I would have stopped to visit her grave. I swear she sensed my presence and called out to me to be found. It was a total long shot that Ida Owen was my Ida Esterby but it just kept bugging me. At some point, Ida changed Lenora's name to Oleda. I don't know if Ida was friends with this Oleda or just remembers her from the Florence Mission but for some reason she used her name as her mothers name on her marriage cert and changed her daughters name to Oleda. She also told her family that she was born on an ocean liner named Oceanus and that she was orphaned on the ship but that she was also related to the Winthrop family who helped settle Massachusetts. She also told people that she was a Winthrop from White Plains, Westchester, NY. Even naming her 2nd child, a son with Sidney, John Winthrop Millson. I think the name Winthrop could be significant to Ida for some reason. Did she take the name from someone she knew or did she just want people to think she came from a prominent family? Ida also told people that Lenora/Oleda's father was killed in a fire in Connecticut along with another child. I tried searching all these stories and can't find any truth to any of them. OH...also...Ida Millsons birthdate is July 20, 1889 and my Ida Esterby is listed on 2 census's with the birthdate July 1889. I just wanted to share my success story and to thank everyone who tried to help in the past. Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's a heck of a story, and it goes to show you that you never know what people will say or do. You're right-we should never give up. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Julie Bruggenthies <bruggenthiesj@workforceresource.org> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:59 PM To: Kim Hawkins Bonetti; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] brickwall coming down I am very happy for you! Julie -----Original Message----- From: NYC-ROOTS [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces+bruggenthiesj=workforceresource.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kim Hawkins Bonetti Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:47 PM To: NYC-ROOTS-L <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] brickwall coming down I haven't posted here in a long time. Over the years I've posted looking for info about my Aunt Ida Esterby. So many people tried to help me but I just couldn't find her. Well....I FOUND HER!!!!!! I've been searching for her for 20 years. What I knew for a fact was that she was living with her parents on the 1892 and 1900 census. Then I found a newspaper article dated 1903 that said Ida's father Hans accused her of abusing the younger children in the home and Ida was put into the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children while an investigation was ongoing. I never found out the outcome of the investigation but I find Ida again on the 1905 New Jersey Census living with a Methodist minister and his family by the name of Reverend Joseph Owen. After that I lost track of her. There was a Lydia Esterby on the 1910 New York Census living at the Florence Mission with a newborn baby daughter (b. April 1910) but I could never prove if it was her. I heard that many woman who lived at the mission changed their names to protect their reputation. The Florence Mission was a home for woman who had children out of wedlock (among other things). The babies name was LeNora Esterby and I could not find a Lydia or a Lenora on any other records. Then a few months ago I had a DNA match with a guy named Matt. When I looked at his tree to look for common names, we didn't have any but he had an Ida Owen in his tree. She married a Sidney Millson in 1916 and she was listed on the 1920, 1930, and 1940 census's living in Pennsylvania but he didn't have any parents listed for her and nothing before her marriage in 1916. I thought maybe my Ida took the name Owen, after the family she lived with in 1905. I wrote to Matt but he never responded. This Ida Owen name kept bugging me, so I started looking for her in other people's trees and I found a guy named Charlie who also had her in his tree. I wrote to him and he responded. Ida was his grandmother and he said she was a compulsive liar. She made up seve ral stories about how and where she was born and who her parents were. Also...when she married Sidney in 1916, she had already had a daughter...born April 2, 1910. I went back and looked at that 1910 census with Lydia Esterby and I noticed a woman named Oleda D. Cole age 20 who was a worker at the Florence Mission....Ida Owen wrote the name of her mother on her marriage record as Oleda Cole. The pieces were starting to fit. I still can't find Ida on the 1915 census or her husband Sidney and I'm dying to know what happened to her between 1910 and when she married Sidney in 1916. Matt is also a DNA match to my mom and my cousin Christy...who is the granddaughter of Ida's sister. So I know for a fact Matts family is related on my Esterby side. So I'm positive that Ida Millson is my Ida Esterby. Charlie just ordered his DNA test. Weird thing...Ida and Sidney moved to Ellwood City, PA not long after they married, its just north of Pittsburgh. I live north of Detroit and my hubby took me on a weekend trip for my 50th birthday...we drove to Shanksville, PA to see the United 93 memorial and then we went to Pittsburgh to see Mama Mia....we drove right past the town of Ellwood City. If I would have found her 2 months ago I would have stopped to visit her grave. I swear she sensed my presence and called out to me to be found. It was a total long shot that Ida Owen was my Ida Esterby but it just kept bugging me. At some point, Ida changed Lenora's name to Oleda. I don't know if Ida was friends with this Oleda or just remembers her from the Florence Mission but for some reason she used her name as her mothers name on her marriage cert and changed her daughters name to Oleda. She also told her family that she was born on an ocean liner named Oceanus and that she was orphaned on the ship but that she was also related to the Winthrop family who helped settle Massachusetts. She also told people that she was a Winthrop from White Plains, Westchester, NY. Even naming her 2nd child, a son with Sidne y, John Winthrop Millson. I think the name Winthrop could be significant to Ida for some reason. Did she take the name from someone she knew or did she just want people to think she came from a prominent family? Ida also told people that Lenora/Oleda's father was killed in a fire in Connecticut along with another child. I tried searching all these stories and can't find any truth to any of them. OH...also...Ida Millsons birthdate is July 20, 1889 and my Ida Esterby is listed on 2 census's with the birthdate July 1889. I just wanted to share my success story and to thank everyone who tried to help in the past. Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a story--amazing. I'm impressed that you figured all that out. Virginia From: Julie Bruggenthies <bruggenthiesj@workforceresource.org> To: Kim Hawkins Bonetti <khawk67@yahoo.com>; "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] brickwall coming down I am very happy for you! Julie -----Original Message----- From: NYC-ROOTS [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces+bruggenthiesj=workforceresource.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kim Hawkins Bonetti Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:47 PM To: NYC-ROOTS-L <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] brickwall coming down I haven't posted here in a long time.  Over the years I've posted looking for info about my Aunt Ida Esterby.  So many people tried to help me but I just couldn't find her.  Well....I FOUND HER!!!!!!  I've been searching for her for 20 years. What I knew for a fact was that she was living with her parents on the 1892 and 1900 census.  Then I found a newspaper article dated 1903 that said Ida's father Hans accused her of abusing the younger children in the home and Ida was put into the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children while an investigation was ongoing.  I never found out the outcome of the investigation but I find Ida again on the 1905 New Jersey Census living with a Methodist minister and his family by the name of Reverend Joseph Owen.  After that I lost track of her.  There was a Lydia Esterby on the 1910 New York Census living at the Florence Mission with a newborn baby daughter (b. April  1910) but I could never prove if it was her.  I heard that many woman who lived at the mission changed their names to protect their reputation.  The Florence Mission was a home for woman who had children out of wedlock (among other things).  The babies name was LeNora Esterby and I could not find a Lydia or a Lenora on any other records.   Then a few months ago I had a DNA match with a guy named Matt.  When I looked at his tree to look for common names, we didn't have any but he had an Ida Owen in his tree.  She married a Sidney Millson in 1916 and she was listed on the 1920, 1930, and 1940 census's living in Pennsylvania but he didn't have any parents listed for her and nothing before her marriage in 1916.  I thought maybe my Ida took the name Owen, after the family she lived with in 1905.  I wrote to Matt but he never responded.  This Ida Owen name kept bugging me, so I started looking for her in other people's trees and I found a guy named Charlie who also had her in his tree.  I wrote to him and he responded.  Ida was his grandmother and he said she was a compulsive liar. She made up seve ral stories about how and where she was born and who her parents were.  Also...when she married Sidney in 1916, she had already had a daughter...born April 2, 1910.  I went back and looked at that 1910 census with Lydia Esterby and I noticed a woman named Oleda D. Cole age 20 who was a worker at the Florence Mission....Ida Owen wrote the name of her mother on her marriage record as Oleda Cole.   The pieces were starting to fit.  I still can't find Ida on the 1915 census or her husband Sidney and I'm dying to know what happened to her between 1910 and when she married Sidney in 1916.  Matt is also a DNA match to my mom and my cousin Christy...who is the granddaughter of Ida's sister.  So I know for a fact Matts family is related on my Esterby side.   So I'm positive that Ida Millson is my Ida Esterby.  Charlie just ordered his DNA test. Weird thing...Ida and Sidney moved to Ellwood City, PA not long after they married, its just north of Pittsburgh.  I live north of Detroit and my hubby took me on a weekend trip for my 50th birthday...we drove to Shanksville, PA to see the United 93 memorial and then we went to Pittsburgh to see Mama Mia....we drove right past the town of Ellwood City.  If I would have found her 2 months ago I would have stopped to visit her grave.  I swear she sensed my presence and called out to me to be found.  It was a total long shot that Ida Owen was my Ida Esterby but it just kept bugging me. At some point, Ida changed Lenora's name to Oleda.  I don't know if Ida was friends with this Oleda or just remembers her from the Florence Mission but for some reason she used her name as her mothers name on her marriage cert and changed her daughters name to Oleda.  She also told her family that she was born on an ocean liner named Oceanus and that she was orphaned on the ship but that she was also related to the Winthrop family who helped settle Massachusetts.  She also told people that she was a Winthrop from White Plains, Westchester, NY.  Even naming her 2nd child, a son with Sidne y, John Winthrop Millson.   I think the name Winthrop could be significant to Ida for some reason.  Did she take the name from someone she knew or did she just want people to think she came from a prominent family?   Ida also told people that Lenora/Oleda's father was killed in a fire in Connecticut along with another child.  I tried searching all these stories and can't find any truth to any of them.  OH...also...Ida Millsons birthdate is July 20, 1889 and my Ida Esterby is listed on 2 census's with the birthdate July 1889. I just wanted to share my success story and to thank everyone who tried to help in the past. Kim

I am very happy for you! Julie -----Original Message----- From: NYC-ROOTS [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces+bruggenthiesj=workforceresource.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kim Hawkins Bonetti Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:47 PM To: NYC-ROOTS-L <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] brickwall coming down I haven't posted here in a long time.  Over the years I've posted looking for info about my Aunt Ida Esterby.  So many people tried to help me but I just couldn't find her.  Well....I FOUND HER!!!!!!  I've been searching for her for 20 years. What I knew for a fact was that she was living with her parents on the 1892 and 1900 census.  Then I found a newspaper article dated 1903 that said Ida's father Hans accused her of abusing the younger children in the home and Ida was put into the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children while an investigation was ongoing.  I never found out the outcome of the investigation but I find Ida again on the 1905 New Jersey Census living with a Methodist minister and his family by the name of Reverend Joseph Owen.  After that I lost track of her.  There was a Lydia Esterby on the 1910 New York Census living at the Florence Mission with a newborn baby daughter (b. April  1910) but I could never prove if it was her.  I heard that many woman who lived at the mission changed their names to protect their reputation.  The Florence Mission was a home for woman who had children out of wedlock (among other things).  The babies name was LeNora Esterby and I could not find a Lydia or a Lenora on any other records.   Then a few months ago I had a DNA match with a guy named Matt.  When I looked at his tree to look for common names, we didn't have any but he had an Ida Owen in his tree.  She married a Sidney Millson in 1916 and she was listed on the 1920, 1930, and 1940 census's living in Pennsylvania but he didn't have any parents listed for her and nothing before her marriage in 1916.  I thought maybe my Ida took the name Owen, after the family she lived with in 1905.  I wrote to Matt but he never responded.  This Ida Owen name kept bugging me, so I started looking for her in other people's trees and I found a guy named Charlie who also had her in his tree.  I wrote to him and he responded.  Ida was his grandmother and he said she was a compulsive liar. She mad! e up seve ral stories about how and where she was born and who her parents were.  Also...when she married Sidney in 1916, she had already had a daughter...born April 2, 1910.  I went back and looked at that 1910 census with Lydia Esterby and I noticed a woman named Oleda D. Cole age 20 who was a worker at the Florence Mission....Ida Owen wrote the name of her mother on her marriage record as Oleda Cole.   The pieces were starting to fit.  I still can't find Ida on the 1915 census or her husband Sidney and I'm dying to know what happened to her between 1910 and when she married Sidney in 1916.  Matt is also a DNA match to my mom and my cousin Christy...who is the granddaughter of Ida's sister.  So I know for a fact Matts family is related on my Esterby side.   So I'm positive that Ida Millson is my Ida Esterby.  Charlie just ordered his DNA test. Weird thing...Ida and Sidney moved to Ellwood City, PA not long after they married, its just north of Pittsburgh.  I live north of Detroit and my hubby took me on a weekend trip for my 50th birthday...we drove to Shanksville, PA to see the United 93 memorial and then we went to Pittsburgh to see Mama Mia....we drove right past the town of Ellwood City.  If I would have found her 2 months ago I would have stopped to visit her grave.  I swear she sensed my presence and called out to me to be found.  It was a total long shot that Ida Owen was my Ida Esterby but it just kept bugging me. At some point, Ida changed Lenora's name to Oleda.  I don't know if Ida was friends with this Oleda or just remembers her from the Florence Mission but for some reason she used her name as her mothers name on her marriage cert and changed her daughters name to Oleda.  She also told her family that she was born on an ocean liner named Oceanus and that she was orphaned on the ship but that she was also related to the Winthrop family who helped settle Massachusetts.  She also told people that she was a Winthrop from White Plains, Westchester, NY.  Even naming her 2nd child, a son w! ith Sidne y, John Winthrop Millson.   I think the name Winthrop could be significant to Ida for some reason.  Did she take the name from someone she knew or did she just want people to think she came from a prominent family?   Ida also told people that Lenora/Oleda's father was killed in a fire in Connecticut along with another child.  I tried searching all these stories and can't find any truth to any of them.  OH...also...Ida Millsons birthdate is July 20, 1889 and my Ida Esterby is listed on 2 census's with the birthdate July 1889. I just wanted to share my success story and to thank everyone who tried to help in the past. Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good to know. Thanks, Barb. Virginia From: MizScarlettNY <mizscarlettny@aol.com> To: vlbcfb@yahoo.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com; nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com Cc: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:50 PM Subject: Re: How to research 1867 real estate record? I have intra-familial real estate transactions between Manhattan and Bronx familiesand both residences were noted in NYT. B

I haven't posted here in a long time.  Over the years I've posted looking for info about my Aunt Ida Esterby.  So many people tried to help me but I just couldn't find her.  Well....I FOUND HER!!!!!!  I've been searching for her for 20 years.  What I knew for a fact was that she was living with her parents on the 1892 and 1900 census.  Then I found a newspaper article dated 1903 that said Ida's father Hans accused her of abusing the younger children in the home and Ida was put into the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children while an investigation was ongoing.  I never found out the outcome of the investigation but I find Ida again on the 1905 New Jersey Census living with a Methodist minister and his family by the name of Reverend Joseph Owen.  After that I lost track of her.  There was a Lydia Esterby on the 1910 New York Census living at the Florence Mission with a newborn baby daughter (b. April  1910) but I could never prove if it was her.  I heard that many woman who lived at the mission changed their names to protect their reputation.  The Florence Mission was a home for woman who had children out of wedlock (among other things).  The babies name was LeNora Esterby and I could not find a Lydia or a Lenora on any other records.   Then a few months ago I had a DNA match with a guy named Matt.  When I looked at his tree to look for common names, we didn't have any but he had an Ida Owen in his tree.  She married a Sidney Millson in 1916 and she was listed on the 1920, 1930, and 1940 census's living in Pennsylvania but he didn't have any parents listed for her and nothing before her marriage in 1916.  I thought maybe my Ida took the name Owen, after the family she lived with in 1905.  I wrote to Matt but he never responded.  This Ida Owen name kept bugging me, so I started looking for her in other people's trees and I found a guy named Charlie who also had her in his tree.  I wrote to him and he responded.  Ida was his grandmother and he said she was a compulsive liar. She made up several stories about how and where she was born and who her parents were.  Also...when she married Sidney in 1916, she had already had a daughter...born April 2, 1910.  I went back and looked at that 1910 census with Lydia Esterby and I noticed a woman named Oleda D. Cole age 20 who was a worker at the Florence Mission....Ida Owen wrote the name of her mother on her marriage record as Oleda Cole.   The pieces were starting to fit.  I still can't find Ida on the 1915 census or her husband Sidney and I'm dying to know what happened to her between 1910 and when she married Sidney in 1916.  Matt is also a DNA match to my mom and my cousin Christy...who is the granddaughter of Ida's sister.  So I know for a fact Matts family is related on my Esterby side.   So I'm positive that Ida Millson is my Ida Esterby.  Charlie just ordered his DNA test.  Weird thing...Ida and Sidney moved to Ellwood City, PA not long after they married, its just north of Pittsburgh.  I live north of Detroit and my hubby took me on a weekend trip for my 50th birthday...we drove to Shanksville, PA to see the United 93 memorial and then we went to Pittsburgh to see Mama Mia....we drove right past the town of Ellwood City.  If I would have found her 2 months ago I would have stopped to visit her grave.  I swear she sensed my presence and called out to me to be found.  It was a total long shot that Ida Owen was my Ida Esterby but it just kept bugging me.   At some point, Ida changed Lenora's name to Oleda.  I don't know if Ida was friends with this Oleda or just remembers her from the Florence Mission but for some reason she used her name as her mothers name on her marriage cert and changed her daughters name to Oleda.  She also told her family that she was born on an ocean liner named Oceanus and that she was orphaned on the ship but that she was also related to the Winthrop family who helped settle Massachusetts.  She also told people that she was a Winthrop from White Plains, Westchester, NY.  Even naming her 2nd child, a son with Sidney, John Winthrop Millson.   I think the name Winthrop could be significant to Ida for some reason.  Did she take the name from someone she knew or did she just want people to think she came from a prominent family?   Ida also told people that Lenora/Oleda's father was killed in a fire in Connecticut along with another child.  I tried searching all these stories and can't find any truth to any of them.  OH...also...Ida Millsons birthdate is July 20, 1889 and my Ida Esterby is listed on 2 census's with the birthdate July 1889. I just wanted to share my success story and to thank everyone who tried to help in the past.  Kim

Oh yes, I have definitely searched the Emigrant Bank records multiple times as he had the money to buy the land without a mortgage.  And I have done all of the other things you mention except searching the birth records.  It always comes back to the same thing--many William Sheehans (of many spellings) and no idea which one is mine.  That's why the address is so vital. Several years ago, I found a baby Julia born to a William and Ann Sheehan at 313 Avenue A, Manhattan. Julia died soon after. Found his naturalization and he was a Civil War vet so may have gotten a bonus that let him buy the land.  But so frustrating--without a maiden name, I really can't assume they are mine.Thanks for all the suggestions, Barb.Virginia From: MizScarlettNY <mizscarlettny@aol.com> Did you check Emigrant Savings Bank records for your William?Perfect time and place for it. Barb From: MizScarlettNY <mizscarlettny@aol.com> Hi Virginia, Three more suggestions. [deleted by Virginia for space]

The Brooklyn Historical Society has a collection (not online) titled Brooklyn Land Conveyances, 1699-1896 that consists of index card abstracts of land transactions in Brooklyn. I don't know whether these are abstracted from the same "New York Land Records, 1630-1975" that you've already searched. It might be worth finding out. When I did some research in the collection a few years ago, I wrote this post, which has images of the cards, so you can see what is included: http://whereyoucamefrom.blogspot.com/2012/09/church-of-visitation-of-blessed-virgin.html Here's some more info from the NYPL about searching real estate records in person: https://www.nypl.org/blog/2011/07/26/nyc-land-conveyances-what-they-are-and-how-they-work. Again, I'm not sure how what exists on-site at some of these institutions differs from what you've found digitized through FS. Kathleen On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:48 PM, VLB <vlbcfb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Good to know. Thanks, Barb. Virginia > > From: MizScarlettNY <mizscarlettny@aol.com> > To: vlbcfb@yahoo.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; ny-irish@rootsweb.com; > nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com > Cc: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: How to research 1867 real estate record? > > I have intra-familial real estate transactions between Manhattan and Bronx > familiesand both residences were noted in NYT. > B > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Barb. I have done some searching in the Bklyn Eagle but could do more.  Not the NYT tho as it was a Bklyn transaction. The family never lived on the property. It was used as a small dairy farm. Have never seen a street address, just boundaries. The family lived nearby 'at the foot of Meserole Ave', later numbered as 162, until 1890 when Ann died.  When William died in 1895, the land passed to his two surviving daughters, one of whom was my great-grandmother. They immediately sold it to my great-grandfather for a nominal sum. Found that in the Bklyn Eagle.  I believe he then sold the land to buy a house in the new Brooklyn development of Homewood where they all lived til the sister married.Thanks, Virginia From: MizScarlettNY <mizscarlettny@aol.com>   Did you search the historical Brooklyn Eagle and historical New York Times for the real estate transaction? Thatwould be my first choice. Did your family ever live on the property and did it have a street address? If you have a street address, not a land parcel, it might be searched another way. Take care,Barb

I need help in finding an 1867 real estate record to find the buyer's Manhattan address. My great-great grandfather, William Sheehan, bought land in Brooklyn in 1867.  He lived in Manhattan when he made the purchase. I have been trying for years to find out which William Sheehan in Manhattan he was so I can continue my research backwards, hopefully to Ireland. I would like to know what real estate records I could search in the hope that one might have his Manhattan address.  Then I'd know which of the multiple William Sheehans he was. On FamilySearch, I found some info in 'New York Land Records, 1630-1975' for Kings County. The info was in the Grantee records and Conveyances.  My William Sheehan bought land from William M Meserole and the basic info was recorded on 1 June 1867.  WS lived in 'NYC', ie Manhattan, and WMM lived in Brooklyn.  The land was in Greenpoint. No other personal data such as addresses. William Sheehan, wife Ann Frawley, and their first four children soon moved to Greenpoint, tho they did not live on the land which was used for dairy cows.  They had more children after that. I have done all the usual--censuses, city directories, naturalizations, death certs, interment lists etc.  I have good info from Brooklyn but just cannot break the brick wall of where they were in Manhattan. I need that to find relatives etc. to continue my research.  I believe they married about 1860-61, judging by children's births. Hope someone can help.Thanks, Virginia

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Who are the parents on Mary's 1940 Brooklyn BC? Track them to death then phone the cemetery where both are interred asking if little Mary is buried with them. -----Original Message----- From: Robert B <robert_babcock@hotmail.com> Just read about this and curious as to how to proceed on a very recent issue. Going through a box of papers and found a birth certificate for a Mary Carrona b. 9 May 1940, certificate/record number 150094 in Brooklyn. Have checked with the entire family but all of us were born after 1940 and no one has any knowledge of Mary. We suspect that it was a child that passed soon after birth. Does anyone out there know if it is possible to obtain information from that record number?

NYC DOH's been holding BC's hostage for years defying the 75yr definition of "historical" by not forwarding them to the archives. -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor Thanks for sending this, Mary. I was just wondering why I hadn't seen any discussion about it here myself, and was planning to bring it up. Here is an article about it from Dick Eastman: https://blog.eogn.com /2017/09/19/new-york-city-department-of-health-proposes-adop tion-of-125-years-for-birth-records-50-years-for-death-records-embargoes/ which includes a link to the details of the proposed rule and the opportunity to comment: http://eogn.com/2017/Transfer%20of%20records-%20Art icle%20207%20Notice%20of%20Intention.FinalApprovedforPublica tion-%209-12-17.docx.pdf (hope that link will work, otherwise click through from Dick Eastman's site - no need to register if you access it one of these ways). However, the title of the blog post is inaccurate - as it stands now, the proposal prevents access to NYC death records for 75 years, not 50.

Just read about this and curious as to how to proceed on a very recent issue. Going through a box of papers and found a birth certificate for a Mary Carrona b. 9 May 1940, certificate/record number 150094 in Brooklyn. Have checked with the entire family but all of us were born after 1940 and no one has any knowledge of Mary. We suspect that it was a child that passed soon after birth. Does anyone out there know if it is possible to obtain information from that record number? > On Sep 21, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor <kathleen.scarlett.ohara@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for sending this, Mary. I was just wondering why I hadn't seen any > discussion about it here myself, and was planning to bring it up. Here is > an article about it from Dick Eastman: https://blog.eogn.com > /2017/09/19/new-york-city-department-of-health-proposes-adop > tion-of-125-years-for-birth-records-50-years-for-death-records-embargoes/ > which includes a link to the details of the proposed rule and the > opportunity to comment: http://eogn.com/2017/Transfer%20of%20records-%20Art > icle%20207%20Notice%20of%20Intention.FinalApprovedforPublica > tion-%209-12-17.docx.pdf (hope that link will work, otherwise click through > from Dick Eastman's site - no need to register if you access it one of > these ways). However, the title of the blog post is inaccurate - as it > stands now, the proposal prevents access to NYC death records for 75 years, > not 50. > > As the notice itself points out, this would mean that no new death records > would be transferred to the Municipal Archives until *2024*, and no new > birth records would be transferred until *2035*. Some of us might be dead > by then! (Hopefully not me, but I think I'm a demographic outlier in this > arena.) > > You can submit comments on the proposed rule online, at > http://rules.cityofnewyork.us, by e-mail at resolutioncomments@health.nyc. > gov, by mail at > > New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene > Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., CN 31 > Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 > > Or by fax at 347-396-6087 <(347)%20396-6087>. > > Comments must be received by October 24, 2017. > > There is a public hearing in Long Island City about the change on October > 24, 2017, at 10am, at > > New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene > Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., 3rd Floor, Rm 3-32 > Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 > > If you can attend and speak out against these unnecessarily restrictive > time limits, you should! > > Also, according to Brooke Schreier Ganz of Reclaim the Records > <https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/>, who knows of what she speaks, this > could have far-reaching impacts on records access in other jurisdictions. > If a major jurisdiction like NYC adopts regulations in accordance with the > Model Vital Records Act, it could influence other cities and states to do > the same, severely limiting access to historical records even in places > that currently have better records access than we do. Judy Russell (The > Legal Genealogist <http://www.legalgenealogist.com/>) wrote about the > issues with the Model Vital Records Act a few years ago: > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2013/04/09/and-one-step-back/. > > > Kathleen > http://whereyoucamefrom.blogspot.com/ > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> > wrote: > >> FYI -- >> >> I asked Jan if it would be OK for me to forward her message to these two >> lists (NYC-ROOTS and NYBROOKLYN), and she gave it to me. >> >> I haven't yet seen any other mention of this here. >> >> -- Mary >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: (US-NYC) NYC Department of Health Announces Hearing on Proposed >> Embargo of Birth and Death Records and Transfer to DORIS >> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:14:00 -0700 >> From: Jan Meisels Allen janmallen@att.net <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> Reply-To: Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@att.net> >> To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> >> >> This is for your information. >> The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has proposed >> transfer of birth and death records to the Department of Records and >> Information Services (DORIS) after a 125 year embargo from date of birth >> and >> 75 years from date of death. In New York City marriage records are under >> the >> City Clerk's Office, not the Department of Health, and therefore marriage >> records are not included in this New York City Department of Health >> proposal. A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for October 24. >> Records currently at DORIS (birth records up to 1909 and death records to >> 1949) are not affected by the proposed rule. >> >> As NYC does not post proposed rules until 30 days before the >> hearing/comment >> period this proposed rule is not yet listed on >> <http://rules.cityofnewyork.us/proposed-rules> >> >> However, the IAJGS Records Access Alert has posted the rules and anyone can >> register to read the proposed rule and the hearing notice. To access the >> IAJGS Records Access Alert archives go to: >> http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts. You must be >> registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access >> Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts. >> You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the >> subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your >> organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.) >> >> Jan Meisels Allen >> Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee >> [snip] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The ELCA headquarters are in Schaumburg, IL, a suburb of Chicago and they should be able to direct you to the archives. Ruth Hughes From: Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: Robert Pieterse <rdpiet@aol.com> Cc: "nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com" <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Marriages in Manhattan and Rev. C F E Stohlman Thanks Bob.....now that I have the name of the church (I was only able to find that he was with The Evangelical Lutheran Church), does anyone know where the records for this time frame and parish would be located? I have been searching but so far no luck. I wrote to archives@elca.org, which is an email address for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America to see what they would say and I am waiting for a reply. I would not think that I am the first to seek out Lutheran records. There are some (multiple) church films available through familysearch but none that hit the nail on the head so I think I may have to go to my local FHC and read through (one by one) any that fit the year I am searching, 1863. Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Robert Pieterse <rdpiet@aol.com> wrote: > A General Synod minister, the *Rev. C. F. E. Stohlman*, of St. Matthew's > Church in *New York* City > > Bob, > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Jorgensen <> > To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; nybrooklyn < > nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 4:00 pm > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Marriages in Manhattan and Rev. C F E Stohlman > > Through a New York City record I found the marriage of my second great > grandparents in 1863 in New York City performed by Rev CFE Stohlman. > I looked on Ancestry and it does not look like church records for this > area and time period appear to be one of their holdings. > I know how to search and find Catholic records in New York City for > marriages but have no idea how to find these German Lutheran church > records. Does anyone here have any idea about who to contact? > Thanks and advance, > Gail Jorgensen > > > ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for sending this, Mary. I was just wondering why I hadn't seen any discussion about it here myself, and was planning to bring it up. Here is an article about it from Dick Eastman: https://blog.eogn.com /2017/09/19/new-york-city-department-of-health-proposes-adop tion-of-125-years-for-birth-records-50-years-for-death-records-embargoes/ which includes a link to the details of the proposed rule and the opportunity to comment: http://eogn.com/2017/Transfer%20of%20records-%20Art icle%20207%20Notice%20of%20Intention.FinalApprovedforPublica tion-%209-12-17.docx.pdf (hope that link will work, otherwise click through from Dick Eastman's site - no need to register if you access it one of these ways). However, the title of the blog post is inaccurate - as it stands now, the proposal prevents access to NYC death records for 75 years, not 50. As the notice itself points out, this would mean that no new death records would be transferred to the Municipal Archives until *2024*, and no new birth records would be transferred until *2035*. Some of us might be dead by then! (Hopefully not me, but I think I'm a demographic outlier in this arena.) You can submit comments on the proposed rule online, at http://rules.cityofnewyork.us, by e-mail at resolutioncomments@health.nyc. gov, by mail at New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., CN 31 Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 Or by fax at 347-396-6087 <(347)%20396-6087>. Comments must be received by October 24, 2017. There is a public hearing in Long Island City about the change on October 24, 2017, at 10am, at New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene Gotham Center, 42-09 28th St., 3rd Floor, Rm 3-32 Long Island City, NY 11101-4132 If you can attend and speak out against these unnecessarily restrictive time limits, you should! Also, according to Brooke Schreier Ganz of Reclaim the Records <https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/>, who knows of what she speaks, this could have far-reaching impacts on records access in other jurisdictions. If a major jurisdiction like NYC adopts regulations in accordance with the Model Vital Records Act, it could influence other cities and states to do the same, severely limiting access to historical records even in places that currently have better records access than we do. Judy Russell (The Legal Genealogist <http://www.legalgenealogist.com/>) wrote about the issues with the Model Vital Records Act a few years ago: http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2013/04/09/and-one-step-back/. Kathleen http://whereyoucamefrom.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > FYI -- > > I asked Jan if it would be OK for me to forward her message to these two > lists (NYC-ROOTS and NYBROOKLYN), and she gave it to me. > > I haven't yet seen any other mention of this here. > > -- Mary > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: (US-NYC) NYC Department of Health Announces Hearing on Proposed > Embargo of Birth and Death Records and Transfer to DORIS > Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 18:14:00 -0700 > From: Jan Meisels Allen janmallen@att.net <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> > Reply-To: Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@att.net> > To: JewishGen Discussion Group <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> > > This is for your information. > The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene has proposed > transfer of birth and death records to the Department of Records and > Information Services (DORIS) after a 125 year embargo from date of birth > and > 75 years from date of death. In New York City marriage records are under > the > City Clerk's Office, not the Department of Health, and therefore marriage > records are not included in this New York City Department of Health > proposal. A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for October 24. > Records currently at DORIS (birth records up to 1909 and death records to > 1949) are not affected by the proposed rule. > > As NYC does not post proposed rules until 30 days before the > hearing/comment > period this proposed rule is not yet listed on > <http://rules.cityofnewyork.us/proposed-rules> > > However, the IAJGS Records Access Alert has posted the rules and anyone can > register to read the proposed rule and the hearing notice. To access the > IAJGS Records Access Alert archives go to: > http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts. You must be > registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access > Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts. > You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the > subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your > organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.) > > Jan Meisels Allen > Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee > [snip] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If I am correct this far there is nothing available after 1854 at an FHC The data was extracted from available microfilm copies at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. The original source is listed as: United German Lutheran Churches (New York, New York) Church records, 1785-1925. Films used so far: FHL film # 1901796 (1834-1845), FHL film # 1902068 (1845-1854) Robert Pieterse rdpiet@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: Robert Pieterse <rdpiet@aol.com> Cc: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Marriages in Manhattan and Rev. C F E Stohlman Thanks Bob.....now that I have the name of the church (I was only able to find that he was with The Evangelical Lutheran Church), does anyone know where the records for this time frame and parish would be located? I have been searching but so far no luck. I wrote to archives@elca.org, which is an email address for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America to see what they would say and I am waiting for a reply. I would not think that I am the first to seek out Lutheran records. There are some (multiple) church films available through familysearch but none that hit the nail on the head so I think I may have to go to my local FHC and read through (one by one) any that fit the year I am searching, 1863. Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Robert Pieterse <rdpiet@aol.com> wrote: A General Synod minister, the Rev. C. F. E. Stohlman, of St. Matthew's Church in New York City Bob, -----Original Message----- From: Gail Jorgensen <> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; nybrooklyn <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 20, 2017 4:00 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Marriages in Manhattan and Rev. C F E Stohlman Through a New York City record I found the marriage of my second great grandparents in 1863 in New York City performed by Rev CFE Stohlman. I looked on Ancestry and it does not look like church records for this area and time period appear to be one of their holdings. I know how to search and find Catholic records in New York City for marriages but have no idea how to find these German Lutheran church records. Does anyone here have any idea about who to contact? Thanks and advance, Gail Jorgensen ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message