Appears to be changes at FamilySearch.org, not Ancestry. On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> wrote: > These took effect today. In a nutshell, you are now required to have an > account and log in to view any records. Some records that were previously > available online will no longer be. Some will return online and some will > not. > > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2017/12/12/starting-tomorrow/?utm_source= > feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ > TheLegalGenealogist+%28The+Legal+Genealogist%29 > > Lisa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

These took effect today. In a nutshell, you are now required to have an account and log in to view any records. Some records that were previously available online will no longer be. Some will return online and some will not. http://www.legalgenealogist.com/2017/12/12/starting-tomorrow/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheLegalGenealogist+%28The+Legal+Genealogist%29 Lisa

>> My motto is...the same as Churchhill's...Never never never never give up@ Totally agree with that ???? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

My motto is...the same as Churchhill's...Never never never never give up@ -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 I am not sure about how correct the information is on the headstone - given it was probably raised AFTER John died in 1862 the memory of Charles (who raised it) might be a little vague. He got his mother's date of death wrong by 1 or 2 days - I suppose that can be forgiven but I have seen errors on headstones done by the monumental mason also. I think a death record for John will take as long to find as the family in America - 20 years ???? However I do appreciate everyone's input. I am a lot wiser re research in the area. My motto is never say never with research - so the hunt will continueMany thanks to everyone who had input.Sharon in Australia ---This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.http://www.avg.com -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is not unlikely at all. The CW broke out in April 1861. Soldiers enlisted for 3 mo. stints. Genealogy was never based on likelihoods and suppositions. ------------- I agree on that point, but I think it unlikely he would have died in N.Y. in 1862 had he been a combatant. Meaning, he would have been more likely to have died in the field or close to it. Not impossible that he died in one of these military hospitals maintained in N.Y. for men who were recuperating, but less likely. ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of metronycancestry@aol.com <metronycancestry@aol.com> Untrue. The CW began in 1861. --------------------- On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. Could we see whatever census information you have for him? Also, what was his religion? Knowing where he lived and what his religion was might give us some educated guesses regarding the cemetery. There is also the chance that he was buried in the City Cemetery (Potter's Field), and those books are not searchable online. Someone would have to look at the films at the Municipal Archives. It wouldn't take long, and maybe someone is planning a trip there soon who could put it on their list.

I am not sure about how correct the information is on the headstone - given it was probably raised AFTER John died in 1862 the memory of Charles (who raised it) might be a little vague. He got his mother's date of death wrong by 1 or 2 days - I suppose that can be forgiven but I have seen errors on headstones done by the monumental mason also. I think a death record for John will take as long to find as the family in America - 20 years ???? However I do appreciate everyone's input. I am a lot wiser re research in the area. My motto is never say never with research - so the hunt will continue Many thanks to everyone who had input. Sharon in Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

I agree on that point, but I think it unlikely he would have died in N.Y. in 1862 had he been a combatant. Meaning, he would have been more likely to have died in the field or close to it. Not impossible that he died in one of these military hospitals maintained in N.Y. for men who were recuperating, but less likely. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of metronycancestry@aol.com <metronycancestry@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:12:34 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 Untrue. The CW began in 1861. On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. -----Original Message----- From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 3, 2017 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. Could we see whatever census information you have for him? Also, what was his religion? Knowing where he lived and what his religion was might give us some educated guesses regarding the cemetery. There is also the chance that he was buried in the City Cemetery (Potter's Field), and those books are not searchable online. Someone would have to look at the films at the Municipal Archives. It wouldn't take long, and maybe someone is planning a trip there soon who could put it on their list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:48 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 > Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think > you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records The thought had never occurred to me. Would a Scottish youth have joined the army? Possible! I have nothing else for him except what is on the headstone though. Thanks for the suggestion, always worth considering every possibility! Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancebrun%40hotmail.com%7C48766744d9ee4e81a81008d53aa877fe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636479417590808399&sdata=RzbaAiYvgfFZTVAXQLvMlG8mDZ%2Bvbfq6pmqlaLcci3Q%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Untrue. The CW began in 1861. On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. -----Original Message----- From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 3, 2017 11:41 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. Could we see whatever census information you have for him? Also, what was his religion? Knowing where he lived and what his religion was might give us some educated guesses regarding the cemetery. There is also the chance that he was buried in the City Cemetery (Potter's Field), and those books are not searchable online. Someone would have to look at the films at the Municipal Archives. It wouldn't take long, and maybe someone is planning a trip there soon who could put it on their list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:48 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 > Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think > you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records The thought had never occurred to me. Would a Scottish youth have joined the army? Possible! I have nothing else for him except what is on the headstone though. Thanks for the suggestion, always worth considering every possibility! Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancebrun%40hotmail.com%7C48766744d9ee4e81a81008d53aa877fe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636479417590808399&sdata=RzbaAiYvgfFZTVAXQLvMlG8mDZ%2Bvbfq6pmqlaLcci3Q%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some Irish came here specifically to enlist. -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> > Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think > you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records The thought had never occurred to me. Would a Scottish youth have joined the army? Possible! I have nothing else for him except what is on the headstone though. Thanks for the suggestion, always worth considering every possibility! Sharon

According to the headstone in Aberdeen it says JOHN GORDON died 1862 aged 21 "in New York USA". It is most likely he was Presbyterian - all the other family members were. Frances, we do not know he died in NYC or even near it. The researcher has identified two possibilities on the 1860 census, one in a Manhattan prison and one in Westchester Co. But are those the only possibilities in the state? Elizabeth --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Consider it done ???? Just looked at www.fold3.com which has military records. There are a lot named John Gordon in different states in the Civil War. You can have a two week free trial. I was working on an Uncle in WWI and found two records for his service and the SSDI for his son. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

> Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think > you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records The thought had never occurred to me. Would a Scottish youth have joined the army? Possible! I have nothing else for him except what is on the headstone though. Thanks for the suggestion, always worth considering every possibility! Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Frances, we do not know he died in NYC or even near it. The researcher has identified two possibilities on the 1860 census, one in a Manhattan prison and one in Westchester Co.  But are those the only possibilities in the state? Elizabeth On 12/4/2017 3:00 AM, nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 04:41:24 +0000 > From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 > > > On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. > > Could we see whatever census information you have for him? > > Also, what was his religion? Knowing where he lived and what his religion was might give us some educated guesses regarding the cemetery. > > There is also the chance that he was buried in the City Cemetery (Potter's Field), and those books are not searchable online. Someone would have to look at the films at the Municipal Archives. It wouldn't take long, and maybe someone is planning a trip there soon who could put it on their list. >

On the other hand, if the information was correct from the headstone, that he died in NY, then it couldn't have been in the Civil War. Could we see whatever census information you have for him? Also, what was his religion? Knowing where he lived and what his religion was might give us some educated guesses regarding the cemetery. There is also the chance that he was buried in the City Cemetery (Potter's Field), and those books are not searchable online. Someone would have to look at the films at the Municipal Archives. It wouldn't take long, and maybe someone is planning a trip there soon who could put it on their list. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:48 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 > Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think > you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records The thought had never occurred to me. Would a Scottish youth have joined the army? Possible! I have nothing else for him except what is on the headstone though. Thanks for the suggestion, always worth considering every possibility! Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com&data=02%7C01%7Cfrancebrun%40hotmail.com%7C48766744d9ee4e81a81008d53aa877fe%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636479417590808399&sdata=RzbaAiYvgfFZTVAXQLvMlG8mDZ%2Bvbfq6pmqlaLcci3Q%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of metronycancestry@aol.com <metronycancestry@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:08:59 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 "Scotland's People" really got to the bottom of my Irish-living-in-Scotland ancestors. Did John GORDON die while serving in the American Civil War? -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> Born in Aberdeen Scotland abt 1841-43. I haven't found a baptism for him but this does agree with the age on census (in Scotland) and his date of death in the US. His parents were John Gordon and Charlotte Glass deceased 1848 and 1854 respectively. Headstone in Aberdeen Scotland reads:In loving memory of JOHN GORDON Feuar Aberdeen died 3 January 1848 aged 80. Also his wife CHARLOTTE GLASS died 10th October 1854 aged 51.In memoriam by their son Charles, Chicago USAAlso in memory of their sons ALEXANDER died 1837 aged 2 1/2 years. John died in New York USA 1862 aged 21.If I have the right Charles then he arrived abt 1853 (from census), however I have drawn a blank with immigration papers. I can't locate either of them on a census about this time. This is a 20 year old brick wall that is gradually falling - all because I got a DNA match (4th cousin) in the US ???? Sharon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just looked at www.fold3.com which has military records. There are a lot named John Gordon in different states in the Civil War. You can have a two week free trial. I was working on an Uncle in WWI and found two records for his service and the SSDI for his son. -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-request <nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 3, 2017 6:49 pm Subject: NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 12, Issue 230 Send NYC-ROOTS mailing list submissions to nyc-roots@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-roots or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at nyc-roots-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NYC-ROOTS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: JOHN GORDON d1862 (Robert Pieterse) 2. Re: JOHN GORDON d1862 (Frances Brunner) 3. Re: JOHN GORDON d1862 (Sharon Jameson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 07:54:50 -0500 From: Robert Pieterse <rdpiet@aol.com> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com, vlbcfb@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 Message-ID: <1601c7185a4-1713-5086@webjas-vaa216.srv.aolmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You are posting to a New York City mailing list. He lived in One aged 19 living in New York > Westchester > Mount Pleasant - day labourer. Try the Westchester county mailing li9st. Westchester county is adjacent to NYC bot not part of NYC -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> To: 'VLB' <vlbcfb@yahoo.com>; nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 2, 2017 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 >> Give us the details of the 1860 census and perhaps one of us can help further. Virginia These are the two I found in New York about the right age. I don't have a definite date for John, just going on what is written on the headstone and his age on the Scottish census. One aged 19 living in New York > Westchester > Mount Pleasant - day labourer. The other aged 18 in New York Ward 6, District 4, New York - a clerk - he was in New York Prison according to what is written along the side of the schedule. Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:03:57 +0000 From: Frances Brunner <francebrun@hotmail.com> To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 Message-ID: <BN4PR14MB0516AFA93D191F5BAECC7A17D93F0@BN4PR14MB0516.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault ________________________________ From: NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots-bounces+francebrun=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of metronycancestry@aol.com <metronycancestry@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:08:59 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 "Scotland's People" really got to the bottom of my Irish-living-in-Scotland ancestors. Did John GORDON die while serving in the American Civil War? -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> Born in Aberdeen Scotland abt 1841-43. I haven't found a baptism for him but this does agree with the age on census (in Scotland) and his date of death in the US. His parents were John Gordon and Charlotte Glass deceased 1848 and 1854 respectively. Headstone in Aberdeen Scotland reads:In loving memory of JOHN GORDON Feuar Aberdeen died 3 January 1848 aged 80. Also his wife CHARLOTTE GLASS died 10th October 1854 aged 51.In memoriam by their son Charles, Chicago USAAlso in memory of their sons ALEXANDER died 1837 aged 2 1/2 years. John died in New York USA 1862 aged 21.If I have the right Charles then he arrived abt 1853 (from census), however I have drawn a blank with immigration papers. I can't locate either of them on a census about this time. This is a 20 year old brick wall that is gradually falling - all because I got a DNA match (4th cousin) in the US ?? Sharon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:48:31 +1100 From: Sharon Jameson <sharemslie@iinet.net.au> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] JOHN GORDON d1862 Message-ID: <001201d36c91$3a32c5a0$ae9850e0$@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Yes, I was also thinking that he could have died in the civil war, or at least been a combatant, but I think > you'd need more info to be able to evaluate the records The thought had never occurred to me. Would a Scottish youth have joined the army? Possible! I have nothing else for him except what is on the headstone though. Thanks for the suggestion, always worth considering every possibility! Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the NYC-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to NYC-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NYC-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 12, Issue 230 ******************************************

Thanks for that - I agree, huge amount of articles - will try different searches and see what I come up with. Sharon Try fultonhistory.com that is a site with thousands of old NY State and some other states newspapers. Be sure to check best way to use as there are some 5,000 articles when I just put in the name. The site is now incorporated in other sites, but this is free and some require membership $$$. Jean --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

John was born in Aberdeen Scotland about 1842. His parents died 1848 and 1854 in Scotland so I am “assuming” he travelled alone or with one of his brothers, Charles or Lewis. You do not say were he lived and if his parent's are with him. If his parents are with him, when are they born and when did they pass ?? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

>> Give us the details of the 1860 census and perhaps one of us can help further. Virginia These are the two I found in New York about the right age. I don't have a definite date for John, just going on what is written on the headstone and his age on the Scottish census. One aged 19 living in New York > Westchester > Mount Pleasant - day labourer. The other aged 18 in New York Ward 6, District 4, New York - a clerk - he was in New York Prison according to what is written along the side of the schedule. Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

The only reason I knew that the date of death was 1862 is because there is a headstone to his parents in Nellfield cemetery Aberdeen, Scotland. John is mentioned on the stone as dying in New York in 1862 aged 21 years. The stone was raised by his brother Charles who was in Chicago ... another mystery, however one at a time! That is the only date of death that I have for John. I found two John Gordon's in the 1860 census for New York. One aged 19 living in New York > Westchester > Mount Pleasant - day labourer. The other aged 18 in New York Ward 6, District 4, New York - a clerk - he was in New York Prison according to what is written along the side of the schedule. Fingers crossed a death record would help identify the correct one, however if as you said death registration began in 1881 then that seems out of the question. Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com