Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine. In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> Sent: March 26, 2018 9:40:19 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: gender question Wow! And I thought my family was complicated. I would record him with his birth name and gender and if possible in the same record with his new name and gender. Such as Jane/John Smith, F/M or Jane Smith, F aka John Smith, M. I assume this depends on whether the program you're using allows it. Let us know how you resolved this. Barbara Kiersh On Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:58 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> wrote: I realize this is not an NYC specific question, but I'm asking it here because someone else may have dealt with this or may need to know how others have dealt with this. I have a (distant) relative who was born a female but is currently living as a male with a new name. (He was arrested in 2009 and is listed as male. I now it is the same person as it is an usual last name and the relative's first name is now his middle name, and he was residing in the same area as his father and sister.) I'm going to keep his birth name as his name but use the new name as the AKA in FamilyTreeMaker. I'm thinking about just noting all of this (the name change, sex change) in the notes somewhere. I don't know specifics as to whether this person had sexual reassignment surgery. I'm assuming because the arrest record I found listed him as male with the new name, that that is his legal sex and name. This is the same branch of the family where the daughter thinks her mother was her sister. They are reeking havoc with my record keeping. ;-) Lisa

And just to add one more layer of complication to this... Gender might be a social construct, scientifically-- A DNA kit attached to this person in your tree would have only one sex marked, that of female. Regardless of name change or gender preference, DNA would still show two X chromosomes and no Y chromosome for someone born female. Kelli Bergheimer On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Wow! And I thought my family was complicated. I would record him with > his birth name and gender and if possible in the same record with his new > name and gender. Such as Jane/John Smith, F/M or Jane Smith, F aka John > Smith, M. I assume this depends on whether the program you're using allows > it. Let us know how you resolved this. > Barbara Kiersh > > On Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:58 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I realize this is not an NYC specific question, but I'm asking it here > because someone else may have dealt with this or may need to know how > others have dealt with this. > > I have a (distant) relative who was born a female but is currently living > as a male with a new name. (He was arrested in 2009 and is listed as male. > I now it is the same person as it is an usual last name and the relative's > first name is now his middle name, and he was residing in the same area as > his father and sister.) > > I'm going to keep his birth name as his name but use the new name as the > AKA in FamilyTreeMaker. I'm thinking about just noting all of this (the > name change, sex change) in the notes somewhere. I don't know specifics as > to whether this person had sexual reassignment surgery. I'm assuming > because the arrest record I found listed him as male with the new name, > that that is his legal sex and name. > > This is the same branch of the family where the daughter thinks her mother > was her sister. They are reeking havoc with my record keeping. ;-) > > Lisa > > > > > > > -- Kelli Bergheimer Mess on the Desk 1944 Dina Ct Powell, OH 43065 614-571-1929 Kelli.messonthedesk@gmail.com National Speaker information and scheduling: kbergheimer@gmail.com Twitter: @messonthedesk Facebook: Mess on the Desk Blog: messonthedesk.com/wordpress ​YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvNrudGjNxizeNCG-1abajQ?guided_help_flow=3 Products and DNA services: http://messonthedesk.weebly.com My Genealogical Speakers Guild Profile and Schedule: http://www.genealogicalspeakersguild.org/ “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” Albert Einstein

Wow!  And I thought my family was complicated.  I would record him with his birth name and gender and if possible in the same record with his new name and gender.  Such as Jane/John Smith, F/M or Jane Smith, F aka John Smith, M.  I assume this depends on whether the program you're using allows it.  Let us know how you resolved this. Barbara Kiersh On Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:58 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> wrote: I realize this is not an NYC specific question, but I'm asking it here because someone else may have dealt with this or may need to know how others have dealt with this. I have a  (distant) relative who was born a female but is currently living as a male with a new name. (He was arrested in 2009 and is listed as male. I now it is the same person as it is an usual last name and the relative's first name is now his middle name, and he was residing in the same area as his father and sister.) I'm going to keep his birth name as his name but use the new name as the AKA in FamilyTreeMaker. I'm thinking about just noting all of this (the name change, sex change) in the notes somewhere. I don't know specifics as to whether this person had sexual reassignment surgery. I'm assuming because the arrest record I found listed him as male with the new name, that that is his legal sex and name. This is the same branch of the family where the daughter thinks her mother was her sister. They are reeking havoc with my record keeping. ;-) Lisa

My greatgreataunt Katherina Fredrika Uebelhoer married Paul Schoenbein in Niagara Falls,Ont on 5 Aug 1858. I cannot locate them in any 1860 census nor in the 1861 Ontario census.  They came  to NYC in the early 1860s.  They lived in Manhattan most of their lives.  His first appearance is in the 1863 Manhattan city directory where he is a machinist at 237 Ave A, then 1865 -  442 E 16th, 1866 -  442 E 16th, and 1868 - 442 E 16th. There is no 1865 Manhattan census (lost, destroyed, burnt? who knows). In 1870 they show with Paul 37, Ricke 29, Amelia 10, Augusta 8, Paul 5, and Elizabeth 2. 1875 census same as 1865 (not available). 1880 Paul 45, Catherine 40, Amelia 19, Agusta 17, Paul 15, Elizabeth 12, Bertie(Bertha Lillian) 6, and Herman(Harry Bennett) 4.  1890 Police census of Manhattan has Paul 58, Kate 48, Gertrude 24, Paul 22, Bertha 17, Harry 14, Annie 8 and Elsie 8.   I can find no birth record for any of these children. In 1853 Katherina Fredricka Uebelhoer came to Buffalo with her father Johann G(ottfried) Uebelhoer, her step mother Katherina, her brothers Philip, Jacob, John F, and sister Augusta.  These are the 1855 census listings.  Here in Buffalo they belonged to the Evangelical Reformed Zion Church.  I have the book "The German Churches of Metropolitan New York" by Richard Haberstroh and think there are three possibilties for the church they attended (if any).  The first is German Evangelical Mission opened in 1838 at Houston and Forsythe, move to Second st and First ave by 1869.  Says records can be found at FHL and the Archives of the Reformed Church in America in Brunswick NJ.  I'll check the FHL myself.  Second is German Evangelical Reformed, opened 1852 at Suffolk and Delancey and moved to 141st st and Crimmins ave (with the new name St Pauls). The records are at the New York Genealogical and Biographic Society.  Can any kind soul check these records for me to see if they can find my Schoenbein family baptisms? Thanks for any help --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I realize this is not an NYC specific question, but I'm asking it here because someone else may have dealt with this or may need to know how others have dealt with this. I have a (distant) relative who was born a female but is currently living as a male with a new name. (He was arrested in 2009 and is listed as male. I now it is the same person as it is an usual last name and the relative's first name is now his middle name, and he was residing in the same area as his father and sister.) I'm going to keep his birth name as his name but use the new name as the AKA in FamilyTreeMaker. I'm thinking about just noting all of this (the name change, sex change) in the notes somewhere. I don't know specifics as to whether this person had sexual reassignment surgery. I'm assuming because the arrest record I found listed him as male with the new name, that that is his legal sex and name. This is the same branch of the family where the daughter thinks her mother was her sister. They are reeking havoc with my record keeping. ;-) Lisa

Virginia, While going to the FHL is not necessarily easy for some, I have found getting the documents (which are now digital) incredibly easy. I have been going to my local FHL about 1 x a week and I download about 30 records while I am there. FREE. Before if I wanted that many records, I would have to order each NYC film at $6-8 and there would be 1-2 records per film. Now I just make a list of the name, date, film #, film name and cert # and I locate them and download them to my flash drive and Voila! I would be more than glad to do this for anyone who can provide me with the needed info for a nominal fee for my time and gas if that is reasonable. NYC records only as I am very versed at doing those. Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:11 AM, VLB via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Bah, humbug to FS. The most important NYC records are now almost > unavailable. The birth, marriage and death records for NYC, a cornerstone > of any NYC research, are digitized but only available at an FHC library. > Not from home, not from the many affiliate libraries. The 1890 Police > Census is another such database. > I'm told it's a contractual thing with absolutely no idea when or if the > contract will ever enable wider access to these records. FamilySearch > should have kept the microfilm rentals for such records. Virginia > > From: Sue Johnpeter <suejohnpeter@gmail.com> > To: NYC-Roots <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 11:22 AM > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] LDS film availability > > There was earlier discussion regarding accessibility of LDS records at > home vs. family history library. > Here's a link to an article that details what's what. > https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/whats-search-records-home/ > > > > > > > >

Bah, humbug to FS.  The most important NYC records are now almost unavailable.  The birth, marriage and death records for NYC, a cornerstone of any NYC research, are digitized but only available at an FHC library.  Not from home, not from the many affiliate libraries.  The 1890 Police Census is another such database. I'm told it's a contractual thing with absolutely no idea when or if the contract will ever enable wider access to these records.  FamilySearch should have kept the microfilm rentals for such records.  Virginia From: Sue Johnpeter <suejohnpeter@gmail.com> To: NYC-Roots <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 11:22 AM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] LDS film availability There was earlier discussion regarding accessibility of LDS records at home vs. family history library. Here's a link to an article that details what's what. https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/whats-search-records-home/

There was earlier discussion regarding accessibility of LDS records at home vs. family history library. Here's a link to an article that details what's what. https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/whats-search-records-home/

Back up in Queens, too. Happy St. Paddy's to all. -----Original Message----- From: VLB via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: VLB <vlbcfb@yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2018 10:28 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: Is this list back up? Your message came thru here. Hope it's back. Virginia From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:00 AM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Is this list back up? Some lists are up but so far this one has not made any noise, that I am aware of. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~

Your message came thru here. Hope it's back. Virginia From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:00 AM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Is this list back up? Some lists are up but so far this one has not made any noise, that I am aware of. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~

Some lists are up but so far this one has not made any noise, that I am aware of. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~

Hi Gail this is what is at the bottom of the NY-Irish mailing list emails. "Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ " This is a wonderful website which is available on-line now ...I just checked and copy and pasted the instructions for subscribing to the NY-Irish list.....see below. To subscribe or to unsubscribe from this list, send an email to: NY-IRISH-L-request@rootsweb.com or NY-IRISH-D-request@rootsweb.com Put only "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in body of message. (without quotes) Cheers Chris in NZ -----Original Message----- From: Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen [mailto:gailjmom@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2018 9:23 AM To: Brooklyn list <nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com>; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] looking for subscribe email address for NY-Irish mailing I want to subscribe to the NY-Irish mailing list but the website is still not functioning for rootsweb If anyone is a member and can look at an old email from that listserv, can you share the email address for them? It is usually located At the bottom of the emails we receive from each mailing list there is usually a subscribe email address. For examplenNYBROOKLYN mailing list nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com To subscribe send an email to nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com THANKS, Gail

I want to subscribe to the NY-Irish mailing list but the website is still not functioning for rootsweb If anyone is a member and can look at an old email from that listserv, can you share the email address for them? It is usually located At the bottom of the emails we receive from each mailing list there is usually a subscribe email address. For examplenNYBROOKLYN mailing list nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com To subscribe send an email to nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com THANKS, Gail

This conversation reminded me that I sent a check and request for a death certificate to NYState back in September 2017. I still have nothing in hand from them but they DID cash my check as soon as they received it! That just doesn't seem right. I have to wait until May (if I get anything at all) but my money is long gone. Kathy On Mar 07, 2018, at 01:50 PM, Elaine LaGreca <elainelagreca@optonline.net> wrote: I have been doing RAOGK in NYState Vital Records Index at my library for years. When I find the entry I give the requestor the Date, Cert Number and Town of the event and where to write. If you order through the municipality the event happened the fee is $22 and the wait time is about a month. I have a list of municipality addresses should anyone need an address. Hope this helps. Elaine Long Island, New York -

I have been doing RAOGK in NYState Vital Records Index at my library for years. When I find the entry I give the requestor the Date, Cert Number and Town of the event and where to write. If you order through the municipality the event happened the fee is $22 and the wait time is about a month. I have a list of municipality addresses should anyone need an address. Hope this helps. Elaine Long Island, New York -----Original Message----- From: Gail Jorgensen [mailto:gailjmom@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 12:48 PM To: nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com; NYC Roots Subject: [BKLYN] Ordering certificates from New York State Archives in Albany I am hand delivering an order for death certificates to the New York State Archives in Albany... For some reason if they are hand delivered the wait time is about 6-8 weeks. They seem to prefer requests to be hand delivered Their wait time for mail orders is about 8 months!! If anyone is interested in joining me in ordering please let me know ASAP. Gail Jorgensen Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ _______________________________________________ NYBROOKLYN mailing list -- nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe send an email to nybrooklyn-leave@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ NYBROOKLYN mailing list -- nybrooklyn@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe send an email to nybrooklyn-leave@rootsweb.com

I am hand delivering an order for death certificates to the New York State Archives in Albany... For some reason if they are hand delivered the wait time is about 6-8 weeks. They seem to prefer requests to be hand delivered Their wait time for mail orders is about 8 months!! If anyone is interested in joining me in ordering please let me know ASAP. Gail Jorgensen Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~

Most cemeteries hold records of who purchased a headstone and where and when it was installed. Cemetery staff must work co-jointly with the headstone engraver. However, Calvary Cemetery may be the exception. Did you ever phone there for a grave location and ask if the plot has a headstone? They don't know without sending a truck to the location. For questions such a as this, you might ask the Archivist for the Archdiocese of NY (archives@archny.org) since it is the largest Archdiocesan cemetery. -----Original Message----- From: SHERRI BOBISH <sherribob@comcast.net> By what research method could it be learned who paid for the stone? Just a thought, Sherri Very unusual that an indigent grave had a headstone.

The cemetery should have that information. I don't know specifically about Mt. Hope but I was given it by Calvary. Veronica > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Mt. Hope Evan Watkins (SHERRI BOBISH) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:44:23 -0500 (EST) >From: SHERRI BOBISH <sherribob@comcast.net> >To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Mt. Hope Evan Watkins >Message-ID: <1872802154.576744.1515098663653@connect.xfinity.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >By what research method could it be learned who paid for the stone? > >Just a thought, > >Sherri > >Very unusual that an indigent grave had a headstone. >

Good afternoon from Australia I am trying to follow up on 2 death entries for White Plains, Westchester. Frederick William Calder Mcdonald died 10 May 1936 at White Plains. I found an online record stating that there was a will for him at Westchester County Archives. His wife Margaret Mcdonald (nee Buchan) died 3 Oct 1954 at the same place. I am just wondering if there are online newspapers / cemetery records that I could follow up for further information on the family. Sharon --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

I found this listing on familysearch and wanted to see if anyone had an idea of a cemetery in Richmond county that this might refer to? Name: Fredk. Rover Event Type: Death Event Date: 18 Feb 1855 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Address: 119 Av C Gender: Male Age: 1 Birth Year (Estimated): 1854 Birthplace: N.Y. Cemetery: Stat. Isld. Father's Name: Mother's Name: Reference ID: p14 GS Film Number: 447558 Thanks in advance, Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~