I have Johann George DECKELMANN, b 1815 Obernburg, Bayern, d 1883 NYC, arrived NYC 1836, mar Anna Mary SHITTIG (or possibly Mary Anna) 1838. Anna Mary SHITTIG was buried in 1863 in a plot in Calvary Cemetery (Woodside) which Johann George DECKELMANN purchased in 1850. From another researcher I have Johann George DECKELMANN marrying second to Magdalena Stehle BAYER. I don't know if STEHLE is a maiden name. And I don't know if BAYER is a maiden name or a previously married name. A John DECKELMAN & spouse Magdalena (age 42) show up in the 1875 NYS census in Rockland Co, NY. The age and place of birth in the census for John match up with what I know. Additional children (presumably by John & Magdalena) show up in the 1875 census: Annie (age 11), Francis (age 9), Victoria (age 3) and Francis J (age 2). I have John living in NYC in 1860-1, and he died in NYC in 1883. I suppose he could have moved to Rockland Co and then moved back to NYC, possibly after Magdalena died. I'm looking for any evidence that Johann George DECKELMANN (1815-1883) did indeed marry Magdalena Stehle BAYER. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net

Hi, Gail, I just subscribed to a number of these pertaining to New York City yesterday (used to subscribe back in the good old days when it was easier), and they came through today. The New York Irish one is irish-new-york-city-subscribe@rootsweb.com Some of them seem to be working better than others; one came back with only half the required information and one has a link that doesn't work, but I'm hoping it will all soon wort out. :) ~ Holly

Bob, First off, thank you for bringing this to my attention! I'm looking for any information or descendants. I'd love to see anything about their lives in NYC from IRE. I'm not sure if any of the family left in IRE came to USA although I have them somewhat documented. Edward (1848-1915) m 1869 Johanna O'HARA (1851-1914). Edward and "Jo" had several children, many did not make it through childhood after arriving in NYC. David Edward (1872-1915) son of Edward and Jo, David E. McCarthy was a mounted traffic policeman, entered force in 1894, He was an escort at someone's funeral. Lived in the Bronx. Buried there as well. Applied for compensation for being injured on the job in 1896 Entered a mental hospital in Islip when he died at 43 NEW YORK TIMES 1915 David McCarthy, a retired Lieutenant of the Traffic Squad of New York Police Dept., a Legion of Honor man died at the State Hospital in Islip, L.I. yesterday. He had been a patient there since last December. His home was at 2270 Washington Ave, Bronx. Charles was a "teamster" and lived on 328 E. 33rd St., New York City, Manhattan Borough New York. I am the great-granddaughter of Charles (1850-1903) and "Elizabeth" EDWARDS (1855-1923). I've not been able to find a marriage record for them, but their first child, Margaret Elizabeth (1883-1962) was born. Margaret Elizabeth (1883-1962) dau of Charles and Elizabeth married John Clement DALY (1875-1963) proprietor of a nursery at 1510 Hackensack Plank Rd., North Bergen, Hudson Co., New Jersey ... no issue. David Francis (1885-1955) son of Charles and Elizabeth is my grandfather married Sophia "Emma" LUTZ (1896-1962) had two sons, David Joseph (1915-1991), my father, and Charles Edward (1916-2007). David Joseph (1915-1991) was the proprietor of "Dave's Sewer & Drain Service" in North Bergen, Hudson Co., New Jersey and worked on oil furnaces. Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras" -----Original Message----- From: Bob P <rdpiet@aol.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: mihnbu <mihnbu@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2018 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] MCCARTHY You have no dates nor do you say what specifically what you are seeking. Birth, marriage, death, obituaries , etc etc -----Original Message----- From: Charlene Kunold McCarthy via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: Charlene Kunold McCarthy <mihnbu@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2018 5:09 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] MCCARTHY Still searching for MCCARTHY who came from Co Limerick to Manhattan c. 1879. Two brothers, sons of David and Margaret SHANAHAN, Charles (my immigrant) married Elizabeth EDWARDS (in NYC) and Edward married Johanna O'HARA (in Ireland). Edward had a son, David Edward who became a NYPD Lt. Charles had a son, David Francis who became a North Bergen (New Jersey) Police Detective Sgt. Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras"

You have no dates nor do you say what specifically what you are seeking. Birth, marriage, death, obituaries , etc etc -----Original Message----- From: Charlene Kunold McCarthy via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: Charlene Kunold McCarthy <mihnbu@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2018 5:09 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] MCCARTHY Still searching for MCCARTHY who came from Co Limerick to Manhattan c. 1879. Two brothers, sons of David and Margaret SHANAHAN, Charles (my immigrant) married Elizabeth EDWARDS (in NYC) and Edward married Johanna O'HARA (in Ireland). Edward had a son, David Edward who became a NYPD Lt. Charles had a son, David Francis who became a North Bergen (New Jersey) Police Detective Sgt. Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras"

Still searching for MCCARTHY who came from Co Limerick to Manhattan c. 1879. Two brothers, sons of David and Margaret SHANAHAN, Charles (my immigrant) married Elizabeth EDWARDS (in NYC) and Edward married Johanna O'HARA (in Ireland). Edward had a son, David Edward who became a NYPD Lt. Charles had a son, David Francis who became a North Bergen (New Jersey) Police Detective Sgt. Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras"

Dora, I like your statement.  "Genealogy isn't any place for the squeamish".  But gender change is still a touchy subject for most people.  Perhaps more so than homosexuality.  So, how to handle it.  I think it needs to be noted.  It's up to the individual genealogist just how to do that. Barbara On Friday, March 30, 2018 11:19 AM, Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> wrote: 1.  It's impossible to "distort" suicide.  That's genealogical evidence of a serious and often genetic health problem.  It NEEDS to be in the family history.  Often families don't hand down or tell their children of critical health history, like, say, a history of bipolar disorder, which often without that information takes a very long time to get a proper diagnosis. It happened to me. 2.  If someone changed gender, put in the notes that they changed gender. It's too comical that our software needs a way to specify a change in gender, now.  And, it needs a method to specify that "delicately". If he changed gender, he changed gender.  There aren't two ways to put it. If people can't handle having the genealogy say they changed gender, how are they going to handle the people around them. Always just tell the truth.  Genealogy isn't any place for the squeamish! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And don't tell me I'm whatever, because I'm done arguing about it. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:10 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: metronycancestry@aol.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: Fwd: Re: gender question I agree that this is a very delicate issue.  It's a problem for genealogists down the family tree.  In some way, there should be, at least, a note of gender change.  When searching for an individual, you might come across a couple that had two children, a boy and a girl.  Just an example.  Later the boy has disappeared and records show the couple having two girls.  Where did the second girl come from and what happened to the boy? Barbara     On Friday, March 30, 2018 7:39 AM, metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: ...and, I think this topic requires sensitivity by family searchers . For example, if an ancestor committed suicide, you might refrain from posting that in any public tree. What you view as significant information can be distorted by "tree readers." -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine.  In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with.

HE, she or a transgender are identified in a tree to a relationship they are to you. A 1C1R is identified as that. to the name they are born with and anything that transpired aft5r that gets an applicable foot note. ********************************************************************************************************* Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2018 10:55 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: Fwd: Re: gender question Yes, that is what I meant to say. Probably didn't word it clearly. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 29, 2018 5:14:46 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: metronycancestry@aol.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Fwd: Re: gender question Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine. In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with.

Yes, that is what I meant to say. Probably didn't word it clearly. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 29, 2018 5:14:46 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: metronycancestry@aol.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Fwd: Re: gender question Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine. In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with.

I agree that this is a very delicate issue.  It's a problem for genealogists down the family tree.  In some way, there should be, at least, a note of gender change.  When searching for an individual, you might come across a couple that had two children, a boy and a girl.  Just an example.  Later the boy has disappeared and records show the couple having two girls.  Where did the second girl come from and what happened to the boy? Barbara On Friday, March 30, 2018 7:39 AM, metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: ...and, I think this topic requires sensitivity by family searchers . For example, if an ancestor committed suicide, you might refrain from posting that in any public tree. What you view as significant information can be distorted by "tree readers." -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine.  In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with.

Walter would also have given us the zip code boundaries, the village boundaries, and the population of each. Russell in Georgia On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:41 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> wrote: > According to the blog, the following NY / NYC records have been updated > with additional records: > > New York 1905 State Census > <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1463113> > > New York Passenger Lists > <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704> > > What was it Walter Greenspan used to say? I hope this is helpful, or at > least interesting. Happy searching! > > Lisa > >

Here here! -----Original Message----- From: Dee via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Oh Gosh Lisa. Wasn't he great? He was so helpful to so many of us. May he be happy in knowing how much we remember him. Dee in Phoenix www.azwvgs.org - West Valley Genealogical SocietyWhen a person dies, a library closes. From: Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> What was it Walter Greenspan used to say? I hope this is helpful, or at least interesting. Happy searching! Lisa

...and, I think this topic requires sensitivity by family searchers . For example, if an ancestor committed suicide, you might refrain from posting that in any public tree. What you view as significant information can be distorted by "tree readers." -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine. In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with.

Remember Walter so fondly. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone null

Agreed. I miss Walter. He was so knowledgeable. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Dee via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:15:06 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: Dee Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: updated NY records at Family Search Oh Gosh Lisa. Wasn't he great? He was so helpful to so many of us. May he be happy in knowing how much we remember him. Dee in Phoenix www.azwvgs.org<http://www.azwvgs.org> - West Valley Genealogical SocietyWhen a person dies, a library closes. Researching: NJ: Snook, Bozarth, Dickerson, Dalton, Hicks, Asay NY: Semlear, Stoothoff, Foster, Murray, Dierks, Cairns PA: Hicks, Shaw, Roberts, Swartz/Black, Penrose Nova Scotia: Arthur, Hutt, Eisenhauer, Conrod, Morris From: Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:33 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] updated NY records at Family Search According to the blog, the following NY / NYC records have been updated with additional records: New York 1905 State Census <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1463113> New York Passenger Lists <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704> What was it Walter Greenspan used to say? I hope this is helpful, or at least interesting. Happy searching! Lisa

Oh Gosh Lisa.  Wasn't he great?  He was so helpful to so many of us.  May he be happy in knowing how much we remember him. Dee in Phoenix www.azwvgs.org - West Valley Genealogical SocietyWhen a person dies, a library closes. Researching: NJ: Snook, Bozarth, Dickerson, Dalton, Hicks, Asay NY: Semlear, Stoothoff, Foster, Murray, Dierks, Cairns PA: Hicks, Shaw, Roberts, Swartz/Black, Penrose Nova Scotia: Arthur, Hutt, Eisenhauer, Conrod, Morris   From: Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:33 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] updated NY records at Family Search According to the blog, the following NY / NYC records have been updated with additional records: New York 1905 State Census <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1463113> New York Passenger Lists <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704> What was it Walter Greenspan used to say? I hope this is helpful, or at least interesting.  Happy searching! Lisa

Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine. In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with.

According to the blog, the following NY / NYC records have been updated with additional records: New York 1905 State Census <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1463113> New York Passenger Lists <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704> What was it Walter Greenspan used to say? I hope this is helpful, or at least interesting. Happy searching! Lisa

You are dealing with one person. Male, female, or transgender. Your placement in a tree is always the same with an annotation if applicable of a name change or what6ever. It does not mess up any research at all. eg: a 1C2R will always be a 1C2R ********************************************************************************************************************* think a lot of genealogists in the future are going to have major issues with this topic.....I have a friend who transgendered from female to male and not only changed his first name but also changed his last name! I told him he is really going to screw up his family research in the future!! Robert Pieterse rdpiet@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: Denise <pets007@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2018 9:04 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: gender question This is certainly going to be a big genealogy problem. Both gender changing and sperm and egg donor babies. There's a wonderful children's book that I used to read to my boys when they were very little. A baby bird is lost and is looking for his mother. He asks all the animals, "Are you my mother"? Well, here we are. Barbara Kiersh On Monday, March 26, 2018 8:13 PM, Denise via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: I think a lot of genealogists in the future are going to have major issues with this topic.....I have a friend who transgendered from female to male and not only changed his first name but also changed his last name! I told him he is really going to screw up his family research in the future!! Denise Irwin Pets007@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2018 10:46 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: gender question Wow! And I thought my family was complicated. I would record him with his birth name and gender and if possible in the same record with his new name and gender. Such as Jane/John Smith, F/M or Jane Smith, F aka John Smith, M. I assume this depends on whether the program you're using allows it. Let us know how you resolved this. Barbara Kiersh On Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:58 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> wrote: I realize this is not an NYC specific question, but I'm asking it here because someone else may have dealt with this or may need to know how others have dealt with this. I have a (distant) relative who was born a female but is currently living as a male with a new name. (He was arrested in 2009 and is listed as male. I now it is the same person as it is an usual last name and the relative's first name is now his middle name, and he was residing in the same area as his father and sister.) I'm going to keep his birth name as his name but use the new name as the AKA in FamilyTreeMaker. I'm thinking about just noting all of this (the name change, sex change) in the notes somewhere. I don't know specifics as to whether this person had sexual reassignment surgery. I'm assuming because the arrest record I found listed him as male with the new name, that that is his legal sex and name. This is the same branch of the family where the daughter thinks her mother was her sister. They are reeking havoc with my record keeping. ;-) Lisa

This is certainly going to be a big genealogy problem.  Both gender changing and sperm and egg donor babies.  There's a wonderful children's book that I used to read to my boys when they were very little.  A baby bird is lost and is looking for his mother.  He asks all the animals, "Are you my mother"?  Well, here we are. Barbara Kiersh On Monday, March 26, 2018 8:13 PM, Denise via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: I think a lot of genealogists in the future are going to have major issues with this topic.....I have a friend who transgendered from female to male and not only changed his first name but also changed his last name! I told him he is really going to screw up his family research in the future!! Denise Irwin Pets007@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2018 10:46 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: gender question Wow!  And I thought my family was complicated.  I would record him with his birth name and gender and if possible in the same record with his new name and gender.  Such as Jane/John Smith, F/M or Jane Smith, F aka John Smith, M.  I assume this depends on whether the program you're using allows it.  Let us know how you resolved this. Barbara Kiersh     On Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:58 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> wrote: I realize this is not an NYC specific question, but I'm asking it here because someone else may have dealt with this or may need to know how others have dealt with this. I have a  (distant) relative who was born a female but is currently living as a male with a new name. (He was arrested in 2009 and is listed as male. I now it is the same person as it is an usual last name and the relative's first name is now his middle name, and he was residing in the same area as his father and sister.) I'm going to keep his birth name as his name but use the new name as the AKA in FamilyTreeMaker. I'm thinking about just noting all of this (the name change, sex change) in the notes somewhere. I don't know specifics as to whether this person had sexual reassignment surgery. I'm assuming because the arrest record I found listed him as male with the new name, that that is his legal sex and name. This is the same branch of the family where the daughter thinks her mother was her sister. They are reeking havoc with my record keeping. ;-) Lisa    

I think a lot of genealogists in the future are going to have major issues with this topic.....I have a friend who transgendered from female to male and not only changed his first name but also changed his last name! I told him he is really going to screw up his family research in the future!! Denise Irwin Pets007@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 26, 2018 10:46 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: gender question Wow! And I thought my family was complicated. I would record him with his birth name and gender and if possible in the same record with his new name and gender. Such as Jane/John Smith, F/M or Jane Smith, F aka John Smith, M. I assume this depends on whether the program you're using allows it. Let us know how you resolved this. Barbara Kiersh On Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:58 PM, Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> wrote: I realize this is not an NYC specific question, but I'm asking it here because someone else may have dealt with this or may need to know how others have dealt with this. I have a (distant) relative who was born a female but is currently living as a male with a new name. (He was arrested in 2009 and is listed as male. I now it is the same person as it is an usual last name and the relative's first name is now his middle name, and he was residing in the same area as his father and sister.) I'm going to keep his birth name as his name but use the new name as the AKA in FamilyTreeMaker. I'm thinking about just noting all of this (the name change, sex change) in the notes somewhere. I don't know specifics as to whether this person had sexual reassignment surgery. I'm assuming because the arrest record I found listed him as male with the new name, that that is his legal sex and name. This is the same branch of the family where the daughter thinks her mother was her sister. They are reeking havoc with my record keeping. ;-) Lisa