It is now easy to go to your local FHC and download or print most any certificate for B M D that are on microfilm as they digitalized most of these records. If getting to your local FHC is difficult, I can help by getting a digital copy for you. I only seek minimal reimbursement unless asking for that is not allowed by list rules. I am not looking to sell my services as a genealogist because you would need to provide the cert # and the film #. Gail Jorgensen ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~
You can also catch this online at: https://www.thirteen.org/programs/treasures-of-new-york/treasures-new-york-settlement-houses/ Lisa (no Apple TV and no longer living in the Channel 13 viewing area) On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 3:24 PM, MizScarlettNY via NYQUEENS < nyqueens@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Getcher popcorn ready...and keep it poppin'!!! > Tonight's a big night for genealogy and history buffs. > All times are Apple Time. > > > 7-8 pm PBS-NY "Treasures of New York: Settlement Houses" > > 9-11 pm CNN "American Legacies: The Kennedys" (S1 E6) > > 9-10 pm MSNBC "Headliners:" James Comey > > 10-11 pm TLC "Long Lost Family" > > 10-11 pm NBC-TV "The Kennedy Curse" [new] > > 10-11 pm ABC George Stephanopoulos interviews James Comey > > > Barb > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb > Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:nyqueens-leave@rootsweb.com > ?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyqueens@rootsweb.com/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. > Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions > https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
I've done [quite a bit of] DNA testing. I don't really research the STEHLE surname. I just wanted to verify if Johann George DECKELMANN did indeed marry a second time and to whom. From what I can gather it appears to be that ... Johann George DECKELMANN married second Magdalena STEHLE 1863-1864. They had four children together: Anna (b c1864 NY), Frances (b c1866 NY), Victoria (b c1870 NY) and Francis J (b c1873 NY). Magdalena STEHLE b 17 Sep 1835 Germany, d 11 Apr 1920 NYC, buried 14 Apr 1920 Calvary Cemetery, daughter of Damian STEHLE and Marian HEID. Magdalena married first ------ BAYER and they had at least one child: Minnie (b c1858 NY). Magdalena had at least one sibling: Fridolin (baptized 4 Mar 1847 Binsdorf, Württemberg, Germany, d 1847). > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 10:16:00 -0400 > From: Debbie <debidub@gmail.com> > > Marshall, > By chance have you done DNA testing? That might help you to figure out > your question! > > It would also be interesting to see if your NYC Stehles might be related > to my NYC Stehles! > > My immigrant STEHLE was: > > Wilhelm Stehle > 12 Feb 1862 > Bittelbronn, Freudenstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Germany > > married Maria Barbara Kress > 1888 USA > > Buried > Abt. 31 May 1943 > Saint John's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Middle Village, Queens, New York, > USA Section 11, Range N, Plot 1: The plot includes Henry Zenker, his > first wife Maria Zenker & her mother Agnes Schuster; his second wife > Barbara Zenker, her father William Stehle, mother Barbara Stehle & > brother Edward. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net
No need to get anything verified in this case. Husband is there, first wife is there. Case closed unless one thinks all three records are in error. -----Original Message----- From: Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: VLB <vlbcfb@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 7, 2018 6:22 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER I can call Calvary to validate it because I have the death certificate but they are not the most pleasant place to talk to ???? Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ > On Apr 7, 2018, at 15:18, VLB via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Death certs, burial records, obits, cemetery records--all contain errors or fibs (to be nice). The trick is to get as many as possible to get as close as possible to the truth. Virginia > > On Saturday, April 07, 2018 06:00:34 PM, Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do you mean other than what is written on the Death certificate? > > Sent from my AT&T iPhone. > ~ Gail ~ > >> On Apr 7, 2018, at 13:57, metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Always confirm burial locations? >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:nyc-roots-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:nyc-roots-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribeView the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditionsRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I can call Calvary to validate it because I have the death certificate but they are not the most pleasant place to talk to ???? Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ > On Apr 7, 2018, at 15:18, VLB via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Death certs, burial records, obits, cemetery records--all contain errors or fibs (to be nice). The trick is to get as many as possible to get as close as possible to the truth. Virginia > > On Saturday, April 07, 2018 06:00:34 PM, Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do you mean other than what is written on the Death certificate? > > Sent from my AT&T iPhone. > ~ Gail ~ > >> On Apr 7, 2018, at 13:57, metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Always confirm burial locations? >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:nyc-roots-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Death certs, burial records, obits, cemetery records--all contain errors or fibs (to be nice). The trick is to get as many as possible to get as close as possible to the truth. Virginia On Saturday, April 07, 2018 06:00:34 PM, Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> wrote: Do you mean other than what is written on the Death certificate? Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ > On Apr 7, 2018, at 13:57, metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Always confirm burial locations? >
Do you mean other than what is written on the Death certificate? Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ > On Apr 7, 2018, at 13:57, metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Always confirm burial locations? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> > To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Cc: rdpiet <rdpiet@aol.com> > Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2018 11:41 am > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER > > > This is terrific. Thanks, Bob. > > >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2018, Bob P wrote: >> >> Here you go. She went to Calvary >> >> New York, New York City Municipal Deaths >> Other information in the record of Magdalena Deckelmann >> from New York, New York City Municipal Deaths >> Name >> Magdalena Deckelmann >> Event Type >> Death >> Event Date >> 11 Apr 1920 >> Event Place >> New York City, Queens, New York, United States >> Gender >> Female >> Age >> 86 >> Marital Status >> Widowed >> Race >> White >> Occupation >> Housework >> Birth Date >> 17 Sep 1835 >> Birthplace >> Germany >> Burial Date >> 14 Apr 1920 >> Cemetery >> Calvary Cemetery >> Father's Name >> Damian Stehle >> Father's Birthplace >> Germany >> Mother's Name >> Marian Heid >> Mother's Birthplace >> Germany >> >> Have a good day. >> >> Bob >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> >> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: rdpiet <rdpiet@aol.com> >> Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2018 11:19 am >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER >> >> >> Thanks, Bob. This shows that it is indeed my John DECKELMANN who married >> second Magdalena since there are two children in the family (Anthony & >> Philip) by his first wife, Anna Mary SHITTIG. >> >> I'd still like to verify the maiden name and/or first married name for >> Magdalena. >> >> >>> On Sat, 31 Mar 2018, Bob P wrote: >>> >>> Rockland county in 1870 and back in NYC by 880. >>> So much for my originl assumption >>> >>> Name >>> Age >>> John Deckerman >>> 55 >>> Magdalena Deckerman >>> 34 >>> Anthony Deckerman >>> 22 >>> Philip Deckerman >>> 20 >>> Anna Deckerman >>> 6 >>> Frances Deckerman >>> 4 > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:nyc-roots-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribeView the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditionsRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:nyc-roots-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Always confirm burial locations? -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: rdpiet <rdpiet@aol.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2018 11:41 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER This is terrific. Thanks, Bob. On Tue, 3 Apr 2018, Bob P wrote: > Here you go. She went to Calvary > > New York, New York City Municipal Deaths > Other information in the record of Magdalena Deckelmann > from New York, New York City Municipal Deaths > Name > Magdalena Deckelmann > Event Type > Death > Event Date > 11 Apr 1920 > Event Place > New York City, Queens, New York, United States > Gender > Female > Age > 86 > Marital Status > Widowed > Race > White > Occupation > Housework > Birth Date > 17 Sep 1835 > Birthplace > Germany > Burial Date > 14 Apr 1920 > Cemetery > Calvary Cemetery > Father's Name > Damian Stehle > Father's Birthplace > Germany > Mother's Name > Marian Heid > Mother's Birthplace > Germany > > Have a good day. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> > To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Cc: rdpiet <rdpiet@aol.com> > Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2018 11:19 am > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER > > > Thanks, Bob. This shows that it is indeed my John DECKELMANN who married > second Magdalena since there are two children in the family (Anthony & > Philip) by his first wife, Anna Mary SHITTIG. > > I'd still like to verify the maiden name and/or first married name for > Magdalena. > > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2018, Bob P wrote: > > > Rockland county in 1870 and back in NYC by 880. > > So much for my originl assumption > > > > Name > > Age > > John Deckerman > > 55 > > Magdalena Deckerman > > 34 > > Anthony Deckerman > > 22 > > Philip Deckerman > > 20 > > Anna Deckerman > > 6 > > Frances Deckerman > > 4 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:nyc-roots-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribeView the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditionsRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Marshall, By chance have you done DNA testing? That might help you to figure out your question! It would also be interesting to see if your NYC Stehles might be related to my NYC Stehles! My immigrant STEHLE was: Wilhelm Stehle 12 Feb 1862 Bittelbronn, Freudenstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Germany married Maria Barbara Kress 1888 USA Buried Abt. 31 May 1943 Saint John's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Middle Village, Queens, New York, USA Section 11, Range N, Plot 1: The plot includes Henry Zenker, his first wife Maria Zenker & her mother Agnes Schuster; his second wife Barbara Zenker, her father William Stehle, mother Barbara Stehle & brother Edward. > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 12:30:49 -0400 > From: Debbie <debidub@gmail.com> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: STEHLE (was: DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, > BAYER) > To: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> > Cc: NYC-ROOTS Rootsweb <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALUxgCVHa-6TQJxOkOqg3hSXZWgUcczS9-RzAp3F1ffj=ym_KA@mail.gmail. > com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > We have STEHLEs from Germany who settled in NYC. But, in regard to your > situation, you might begin with her death record, to see if it might name > her parents. > > I will say that if you identify a parent and a location in Germany, the > German church records are incredible sources for information! > > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> wrote: > >
>> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 19:28:37 +0000 > From: Frances Brunner <FranceBrun@hotmail.com> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Anna Mociute > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BN4PR14MB05162A57FE40DAF644EF467CD9A50@BN4PR14MB0516.namp > rd14.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I got my great grandma's A-file about six weeks ago, but try as I might, I can't find her manifest. > > I looked at every manifest for all ships which arrived on that day, and none of them even look like they were a possibility. > > Most Lithuanians came from Bremer Haven/Bremen, with some coming from Liverpool. > > If anyone here is willing to have a go with fresh eyes, I would be so grateful. > > > She never naturalized, nor filed first papers. > > Her A-file says her name on arrival was Anna Mociute, and she arrived to NY on May 1, 1913. > > It says she came on the Bremen line. > > Her date of birth was 11/30/1896. > > > It's not listed on the file, but I know she came here from Lithuania with her mother, Magdalena. According to the Lithuanian naming system, my great grandma's name would have actually been Mockeviciute, and her mother, Mockeviciutiene, with a small variation in spelling being possible. > > > Also, my great grandmother had the measles when she arrived, and was quarantined, but her mother apparently was not. They were bound for Brooklyn, which is where they stayed. I am eager to know who they went to be with, as I have a genetic NPE that I'm trying to solve, and the cousins involved know nothing about Lithuania, or my family. I am hoping to be able to find more family members here that might be the potential birth father of these cousins. > > > Thanks, > > Frances > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hi Frances! I think I’ve found her. I sent you an email. Please contact me off list. Cheers, Susan
Hi, I got my great grandma's A-file about six weeks ago, but try as I might, I can't find her manifest. I looked at every manifest for all ships which arrived on that day, and none of them even look like they were a possibility. Most Lithuanians came from Bremer Haven/Bremen, with some coming from Liverpool. If anyone here is willing to have a go with fresh eyes, I would be so grateful. She never naturalized, nor filed first papers. Her A-file says her name on arrival was Anna Mociute, and she arrived to NY on May 1, 1913. It says she came on the Bremen line. Her date of birth was 11/30/1896. It's not listed on the file, but I know she came here from Lithuania with her mother, Magdalena. According to the Lithuanian naming system, my great grandma's name would have actually been Mockeviciute, and her mother, Mockeviciutiene, with a small variation in spelling being possible. Also, my great grandmother had the measles when she arrived, and was quarantined, but her mother apparently was not. They were bound for Brooklyn, which is where they stayed. I am eager to know who they went to be with, as I have a genetic NPE that I'm trying to solve, and the cousins involved know nothing about Lithuania, or my family. I am hoping to be able to find more family members here that might be the potential birth father of these cousins. Thanks, Frances ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. ~Francois de La Rochefoucault
We have STEHLEs from Germany who settled in NYC. But, in regard to your situation, you might begin with her death record, to see if it might name her parents. I will say that if you identify a parent and a location in Germany, the German church records are incredible sources for information! On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> wrote: > > Thanks, Debbie. > > I have Johann George DECKELMANN, b 1815 Obernburg, Bayern, d 1883 NYC, > arrived NYC 1836, mar Anna Mary SHITTIG (or possibly Mary Anna) 1838. > > Anna Mary SHITTIG was buried in 1863 in a plot in Calvary Cemetery > (Woodside) which Johann George DECKELMANN purchased in 1850. > > From another researcher I have Johann George DECKELMANN marrying second to > Magdalena Stehle BAYER. I don't know if STEHLE is a maiden name. And I > don't know if BAYER is a maiden name or a previously married name. > > The 1870 & 1880 US census and 1875 NYS census show that Johann George > DECKELMANN did indeed marry Magdalena and they had children: Annie, > Frances, Victoria & Francis J. The family moved between NYC and Rockland > Co. > > I'm looking for any evidence that Magdalena in the census reports is > Magdalena Stehle BAYER. > > > > Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 13:55:59 +0000 >> From: Debbie <debidub@gmail.com> >> >> I have the Stehle family in my tree..... but I cannot find the original >> message to see if I might be able to help. >> > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net >
This is terrific. Thanks, Bob. On Tue, 3 Apr 2018, Bob P wrote: > Here you go. She went to Calvary > > New York, New York City Municipal Deaths > Other information in the record of Magdalena Deckelmann > from New York, New York City Municipal Deaths > Name > Magdalena Deckelmann > Event Type > Death > Event Date > 11 Apr 1920 > Event Place > New York City, Queens, New York, United States > Gender > Female > Age > 86 > Marital Status > Widowed > Race > White > Occupation > Housework > Birth Date > 17 Sep 1835 > Birthplace > Germany > Burial Date > 14 Apr 1920 > Cemetery > Calvary Cemetery > Father's Name > Damian Stehle > Father's Birthplace > Germany > Mother's Name > Marian Heid > Mother's Birthplace > Germany > > Have a good day. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> > To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Cc: rdpiet <rdpiet@aol.com> > Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2018 11:19 am > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER > > > Thanks, Bob. This shows that it is indeed my John DECKELMANN who married > second Magdalena since there are two children in the family (Anthony & > Philip) by his first wife, Anna Mary SHITTIG. > > I'd still like to verify the maiden name and/or first married name for > Magdalena. > > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2018, Bob P wrote: > > > Rockland county in 1870 and back in NYC by 880. > > So much for my originl assumption > > > > Name > > Age > > John Deckerman > > 55 > > Magdalena Deckerman > > 34 > > Anthony Deckerman > > 22 > > Philip Deckerman > > 20 > > Anna Deckerman > > 6 > > Frances Deckerman > > 4 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net
Thanks, Debbie. I have Johann George DECKELMANN, b 1815 Obernburg, Bayern, d 1883 NYC, arrived NYC 1836, mar Anna Mary SHITTIG (or possibly Mary Anna) 1838. Anna Mary SHITTIG was buried in 1863 in a plot in Calvary Cemetery (Woodside) which Johann George DECKELMANN purchased in 1850. From another researcher I have Johann George DECKELMANN marrying second to Magdalena Stehle BAYER. I don't know if STEHLE is a maiden name. And I don't know if BAYER is a maiden name or a previously married name. The 1870 & 1880 US census and 1875 NYS census show that Johann George DECKELMANN did indeed marry Magdalena and they had children: Annie, Frances, Victoria & Francis J. The family moved between NYC and Rockland Co. I'm looking for any evidence that Magdalena in the census reports is Magdalena Stehle BAYER. > Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 13:55:59 +0000 > From: Debbie <debidub@gmail.com> > > I have the Stehle family in my tree..... but I cannot find the original > message to see if I might be able to help. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net
Thanks, Bob. This shows that it is indeed my John DECKELMANN who married second Magdalena since there are two children in the family (Anthony & Philip) by his first wife, Anna Mary SHITTIG. I'd still like to verify the maiden name and/or first married name for Magdalena. On Sat, 31 Mar 2018, Bob P wrote: > Rockland county in 1870 and back in NYC by 880. > So much for my originl assumption > > Name > Age > John Deckerman > 55 > Magdalena Deckerman > 34 > Anthony Deckerman > 22 > Philip Deckerman > 20 > Anna Deckerman > 6 > Frances Deckerman > 4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob P <rdpiet@aol.com> > To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; mlake <mlake@mlake.net> > Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 8:42 pm > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER > > John had a ton of kids. From what you are saying in > 1875 John be 60 and Magdelena was 42. Perhaps but not > likely to me. You need his DC or an obit. I would ask the > other researcher "Were is the beef ?" He probably does not > even know when suspected 2d wife died and what her DC satys > > Hos fond s grave memorial which shows he is linked to Ann > follows > > https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=127662905 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> > To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 7:49 pm > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER > > > I have Johann George DECKELMANN, b 1815 Obernburg, Bayern, d 1883 NYC, > arrived NYC 1836, mar Anna Mary SHITTIG (or possibly Mary Anna) 1838. > > Anna Mary SHITTIG was buried in 1863 in a plot in Calvary Cemetery > (Woodside) which Johann George DECKELMANN purchased in 1850. > > From another researcher I have Johann George DECKELMANN marrying second to > Magdalena Stehle BAYER. I don't know if STEHLE is a maiden name. And I > don't know if BAYER is a maiden name or a previously married name. > > A John DECKELMAN & spouse Magdalena (age 42) show up in the 1875 NYS > census in Rockland Co, NY. The age and place of birth in the census for > John match up with what I know. Additional children (presumably by John & > Magdalena) show up in the 1875 census: Annie (age 11), Francis (age 9), > Victoria (age 3) and Francis J (age 2). > > I have John living in NYC in 1860-1, and he died in NYC in 1883. I > suppose he could have moved to Rockland Co and then moved back to NYC, > possibly after Magdalena died. > > I'm looking for any evidence that Johann George DECKELMANN (1815-1883) did > indeed marry Magdalena Stehle BAYER. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net
It's quite possible to publicly distort suicide. It happens 24 times per day with US veterans. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <villandra@gmail.com> To: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net>; nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: metronycancestry <metronycancestry@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2018 11:19 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: Fwd: Re: gender question 1. It's impossible to "distort" suicide. That's genealogical evidence of a serious and often genetic health problem. It NEEDS to be in the family history. Often families don't hand down or tell their children of critical health history, like, say, a history of bipolar disorder, which often without that information takes a very long time to get a proper diagnosis. It happened to me. 2. If someone changed gender, put in the notes that they changed gender. It's too comical that our software needs a way to specify a change in gender, now. And, it needs a method to specify that "delicately". If he changed gender, he changed gender. There aren't two ways to put it. If people can't handle having the genealogy say they changed gender, how are they going to handle the people around them. Always just tell the truth. Genealogy isn't any place for the squeamish! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And don't tell me I'm whatever, because I'm done arguing about it. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kiersh Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:10 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: metronycancestry@aol.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: Fwd: Re: gender question I agree that this is a very delicate issue. It's a problem for genealogists down the family tree. In some way, there should be, at least, a note of gender change. When searching for an individual, you might come across a couple that had two children, a boy and a girl. Just an example. Later the boy has disappeared and records show the couple having two girls. Where did the second girl come from and what happened to the boy? Barbara On Friday, March 30, 2018 7:39 AM, metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: ...and, I think this topic requires sensitivity by family searchers . For example, if an ancestor committed suicide, you might refrain from posting that in any public tree. What you view as significant information can be distorted by "tree readers." -----Original Message----- From: metronycancestry--- via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Transgender people identify with their chosen gender, not their birth gender. From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> Lisa, I think if you put the name he is using now and (birth name) in brackets it will indicate the birth gender unless the name was not obviously feminine. In the sex column, put the gender that he now identifies with.
I have the Stehle family in my tree..... but I cannot find the original message to see if I might be able to help.
The info from the other researcher came to me a long, long time ago ... possibly more than 40 years ago. Back then I did not keep very good records/notes ... and do not know who the other researcher was/is. Looking back at what notes I do still have I found "John & Magdalena had 4 children, names unknown". That matches up with the 1875 census. I do not have a death certificate nor an obit for John. I only have a death certificate transcription which reads: Death Certificate Transcription Name - John Deckelmann Number - 476259 Date - 26 Nov 1883 Location - Manhattan Father - Balthasar Deckelmann Birthplace - Germany Mother - Anna M. Deckelmann Birthplace - Germany Marital Status - married Age - 64 years & 10 months Date of Birth - Birthplace - Germany Years in USA - 47 Years in NYC - 47 Place of Death - 147 E 6th Street Cause of Death - Brights disease of the kidneys, general dropsy & exhaustion Residence - Occupation - Laborer Cemetery - Calvary Date of Burial - 29 Nov 1883 The line reading "Years in NYC - 47" seems to indicate that he did NOT move to Rockland Co. However, the line "Marital Status - married" does indicate that he's married at the time of his death. > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 20:42:14 -0400 > From: Bob P <rdpiet@aol.com> > > John had a ton of kids. From what you are saying in 1875 John be 60 and > Magdelena was 42. Perhaps but not likely to me. You need his DC or an > obit. I would ask the other researcher "Were is the beef ?" He probably > does not even know when suspected 2d wife died and what her DC satys > > Hos fond s grave memorial which shows he is linked to Ann follows > > https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=127662905 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> > To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 7:49 pm > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER > > > I have Johann George DECKELMANN, b 1815 Obernburg, Bayern, d 1883 NYC, > arrived NYC 1836, mar Anna Mary SHITTIG (or possibly Mary Anna) 1838. > > Anna Mary SHITTIG was buried in 1863 in a plot in Calvary Cemetery > (Woodside) which Johann George DECKELMANN purchased in 1850. > >> From another researcher I have Johann George DECKELMANN marrying second to > Magdalena Stehle BAYER. I don't know if STEHLE is a maiden name. And I > don't know if BAYER is a maiden name or a previously married name. > > A John DECKELMAN & spouse Magdalena (age 42) show up in the 1875 NYS > census in Rockland Co, NY. The age and place of birth in the census for > John match up with what I know. Additional children (presumably by John & > Magdalena) show up in the 1875 census: Annie (age 11), Francis (age 9), > Victoria (age 3) and Francis J (age 2). > > I have John living in NYC in 1860-1, and he died in NYC in 1883. I > suppose he could have moved to Rockland Co and then moved back to NYC, > possibly after Magdalena died. > > I'm looking for any evidence that Johann George DECKELMANN (1815-1883) did > indeed marry Magdalena Stehle BAYER. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net
John had a ton of kids. From what you are saying in 1875 John be 60 and Magdelena was 42. Perhaps but not likely to me. You need his DC or an obit. I would ask the other researcher "Were is the beef ?" He probably does not even know when suspected 2d wife died and what her DC satys Hos fond s grave memorial which shows he is linked to Ann follows https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=127662905 -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 31, 2018 7:49 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] DECKELMANN, SHITTIG, STEHLE, BAYER I have Johann George DECKELMANN, b 1815 Obernburg, Bayern, d 1883 NYC, arrived NYC 1836, mar Anna Mary SHITTIG (or possibly Mary Anna) 1838. Anna Mary SHITTIG was buried in 1863 in a plot in Calvary Cemetery (Woodside) which Johann George DECKELMANN purchased in 1850. From another researcher I have Johann George DECKELMANN marrying second to Magdalena Stehle BAYER. I don't know if STEHLE is a maiden name. And I don't know if BAYER is a maiden name or a previously married name. A John DECKELMAN & spouse Magdalena (age 42) show up in the 1875 NYS census in Rockland Co, NY. The age and place of birth in the census for John match up with what I know. Additional children (presumably by John & Magdalena) show up in the 1875 census: Annie (age 11), Francis (age 9), Victoria (age 3) and Francis J (age 2). I have John living in NYC in 1860-1, and he died in NYC in 1883. I suppose he could have moved to Rockland Co and then moved back to NYC, possibly after Magdalena died. I'm looking for any evidence that Johann George DECKELMANN (1815-1883) did indeed marry Magdalena Stehle BAYER. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net
That is the question that I was going to ask you about Marshall. I am interested in the answer to this also. Gail ~ Gail Schinnerer Jorgensen ~ On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Marshall Lake <mlake@mlake.net> wrote: > > I have Johann George DECKELMANN, b 1815 Obernburg, Bayern, d 1883 NYC, > arrived NYC 1836, mar Anna Mary SHITTIG (or possibly Mary Anna) 1838. > > Anna Mary SHITTIG was buried in 1863 in a plot in Calvary Cemetery > (Woodside) which Johann George DECKELMANN purchased in 1850. > > From another researcher I have Johann George DECKELMANN marrying second to > Magdalena Stehle BAYER. I don't know if STEHLE is a maiden name. And I > don't know if BAYER is a maiden name or a previously married name. > > A John DECKELMAN & spouse Magdalena (age 42) show up in the 1875 NYS > census in Rockland Co, NY. The age and place of birth in the census for > John match up with what I know. Additional children (presumably by John & > Magdalena) show up in the 1875 census: Annie (age 11), Francis (age 9), > Victoria (age 3) and Francis J (age 2). > > I have John living in NYC in 1860-1, and he died in NYC in 1883. I > suppose he could have moved to Rockland Co and then moved back to NYC, > possibly after Magdalena died. > > I'm looking for any evidence that Johann George DECKELMANN (1815-1883) did > indeed marry Magdalena Stehle BAYER. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net > > >