Kathleen, I think it says East St. Did you check the online NY directories for that year to confirm? Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Kathleen Scarlett O'Hara Naylor <kathleen.scarlett.ohara@gmail.com> Sent: June 26, 2018 9:11 PM To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Help with address This is a link to the second page of my great-grandfather's 1909 passenger manifest. The first 5 people are all from the same town in Italy; he's on line 4. I think that the passengers on lines 1, 3, and 4 are all going to the same address, starting with (I think) 819, but I can't figure out what address it is. East St? Bond St? Sand St? Court St? You can look below and see that Brooklyn addresses say "Brooklyn," not "NY," so I doubt it is Court St., Bklyn. Can anyone read the street name? https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_sNWMfhZf9hQ%2FSvJiDQXCVII%2FAAAAAAAAAWs%2F-DLZrUDxVWk%2Fs1600-h%2FGrandpa%2BLanzillotto%2BFirst%2BArrival%2B2%2B1908.jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb848794187684adc3cc608d5dbd34ba3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636656622899644988&sdata=mI61wC4%2FS7ELCwGhIzCU6P0Lr1apye%2FjT9Kcxu7g0LI%3D&reserved=0 Thank you! Kathleen _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb848794187684adc3cc608d5dbd34ba3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636656622899644988&sdata=3Op46SPat1AnLQaDhlMzzYGRCXtj1yM%2Fq1RwtzJHhfw%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb848794187684adc3cc608d5dbd34ba3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636656622899644988&sdata=38Fe6vbFXxXEGRqUo80j%2FXk6VOuYVRmlW9FPqkSwDEk%3D&reserved=0 Archives: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb848794187684adc3cc608d5dbd34ba3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636656622899644988&sdata=MZzC%2FK1ItGmEC8sK0LY5Okg%2BtdBTNECaayKYw%2BDf7oI%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb848794187684adc3cc608d5dbd34ba3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636656622899644988&sdata=mqSv9CQLAKAusAFvUtG1Lc5evHm%2B4I4l4oOk5BSu8iA%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb848794187684adc3cc608d5dbd34ba3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636656622899644988&sdata=1Ru9%2B2ns3L7yFVRRvlPV8htZaZ8MIFl5emWefeDgFZs%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

This is a link to the second page of my great-grandfather's 1909 passenger manifest. The first 5 people are all from the same town in Italy; he's on line 4. I think that the passengers on lines 1, 3, and 4 are all going to the same address, starting with (I think) 819, but I can't figure out what address it is. East St? Bond St? Sand St? Court St? You can look below and see that Brooklyn addresses say "Brooklyn," not "NY," so I doubt it is Court St., Bklyn. Can anyone read the street name? https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sNWMfhZf9hQ/SvJiDQXCVII/AAAAAAAAAWs/-DLZrUDxVWk/s1600-h/Grandpa+Lanzillotto+First+Arrival+2+1908.jpg Thank you! Kathleen

THANK YOU! that was interesting - June

You're welcome. It was fun trying to find some information for her. I thought this could be the right family since both children had the names of their maternal grandparents. ???? Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Charlene Kunold McCarthy via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 24, 2018 4:24 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: Charlene Kunold McCarthy Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: DEEGAN / WHELAN Lynn, Thank you .. I FWD your info to Aine. I know she'll make contact with you. Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras" -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 2:20 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: DEEGAN / WHELAN Hi, Could this be your Thomas? Thomas Whelan United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941 Name: Thomas Whelan Event Type: Military Service Event Year Range: 1845-1854 Event Place: United Kingdom Birthplace: Waterford Birth Year: 1821 There are other military records for Thomas Whelan, born Waterford in other years on familysearch.org Could this be your Bridget: Name: Bridget Whelan Age: 70 Birth Year: abt 1827 Death Date: 14 Dec 1897 Death Place: Manhattan, New York, USA Certificate Number: 37463 Could this be your Bridget? She is travelling with an infant, Margaret, and a 3-year old Martin. Also listed next is Rose Keegan, age 20. Bridget Whelan New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1891 Name: Bridget Whelan Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 1858 Event Place: New York City, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 30 Birth Year (Estimated): 1828 Birthplace: Ireland Ship Name: Wm Tapscott Sent from Outlook<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C%7C868e6e8ac4d04dbfcf7408d5d9b4459c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654290635152772&sdata=tQlqnJZIgn2L5NgKs4R%2Byrt7P787q0SZq8I87s89d2Y%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: Charlene Kunold McCarthy via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 23, 2018 2:01 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Cc: annedreelan@hotmail.com; Charlene Kunold McCarthy Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] DEEGAN / WHELAN Hey All ... I'm hoping we can help a dear Irish friend, Aíne Duibhginn O'Draoileáin email: annedreelan@hotmail.com. ... I know this is a long shot since we aren't 100% certain where they landed when they arrived in America. Many of Aine's DEEGAN have been located in NYC area. She's trying to locate: Bridget Deegan born 1827 app Waterford Ireland. Married Thomas Whelan 1851 Waterford Ireland no record after that her parents were Martin Deegan and Margaret Walsh. Thank you so very much!!! Charlene D. 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Well, thank you so much ... mine came over from Co Limerick and right into Manhattan and some drifted across the Hudson River into NJ. Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras" -----Original Message----- From: Sheila MacAvoy Block <macavoy@cox.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 10:25 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] DEEGAN / WHELAN (Charlene Kunold McCarthy) A number of my Waterford folk, and others, came through New Brunswick. Don't forget to consider time spent possibly in Canada by Bridget. Some of my rellies didn't stay in Canada but went on down to Boston. I guess what I'm saying is you have to cast a wider net if you don't find this ancestor in NYC. Sheila Santa Barbara CA _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Lynn, Thank you .. I FWD your info to Aine. I know she'll make contact with you. Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras" -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 2:20 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: DEEGAN / WHELAN Hi, Could this be your Thomas? Thomas Whelan United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941 Name: Thomas Whelan Event Type: Military Service Event Year Range: 1845-1854 Event Place: United Kingdom Birthplace: Waterford Birth Year: 1821 There are other military records for Thomas Whelan, born Waterford in other years on familysearch.org Could this be your Bridget: Name: Bridget Whelan Age: 70 Birth Year: abt 1827 Death Date: 14 Dec 1897 Death Place: Manhattan, New York, USA Certificate Number: 37463 Could this be your Bridget? She is travelling with an infant, Margaret, and a 3-year old Martin. Also listed next is Rose Keegan, age 20. Bridget Whelan New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1891 Name: Bridget Whelan Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 1858 Event Place: New York City, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 30 Birth Year (Estimated): 1828 Birthplace: Ireland Ship Name: Wm Tapscott Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Charlene Kunold McCarthy via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 23, 2018 2:01 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Cc: annedreelan@hotmail.com; Charlene Kunold McCarthy Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] DEEGAN / WHELAN Hey All ... I'm hoping we can help a dear Irish friend, Aíne Duibhginn O'Draoileáin email: annedreelan@hotmail.com. ... I know this is a long shot since we aren't 100% certain where they landed when they arrived in America. Many of Aine's DEEGAN have been located in NYC area. She's trying to locate: Bridget Deegan born 1827 app Waterford Ireland. Married Thomas Whelan 1851 Waterford Ireland no record after that her parents were Martin Deegan and Margaret Walsh. Thank you so very much!!! Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras" _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=IlLDrLf1cdJbbxbWJdO3TMY7SEZ3SBa%2B7qIsaS8VZgI%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=4NvAry%2BERA5PE%2BSvQfHT0kY8TEnv4HDwHb3KOKv%2FAKw%3D&reserved=0 Archives: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=dsJ6IyNCn0wW7WoDbNeCCfTWtB47gBaR36SXLALKJOc%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=WCaVa6x2Cvc8P2YXCRwrH1EGY9JCcdJgmmdVUIJudKI%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=aY8yV9pOVSOjjSotCbJom2Ith2zVYYWYPNk5R%2FCobNc%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, Could this be your Thomas? Thomas Whelan United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941 Name: Thomas Whelan Event Type: Military Service Event Year Range: 1845-1854 Event Place: United Kingdom Birthplace: Waterford Birth Year: 1821 There are other military records for Thomas Whelan, born Waterford in other years on familysearch.org Could this be your Bridget: Name: Bridget Whelan Age: 70 Birth Year: abt 1827 Death Date: 14 Dec 1897 Death Place: Manhattan, New York, USA Certificate Number: 37463 Could this be your Bridget? She is travelling with an infant, Margaret, and a 3-year old Martin. Also listed next is Rose Keegan, age 20. Bridget Whelan New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1891 Name: Bridget Whelan Event Type: Immigration Event Date: 1858 Event Place: New York City, New York, United States Gender: Female Age: 30 Birth Year (Estimated): 1828 Birthplace: Ireland Ship Name: Wm Tapscott Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Charlene Kunold McCarthy via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 23, 2018 2:01 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Cc: annedreelan@hotmail.com; Charlene Kunold McCarthy Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] DEEGAN / WHELAN Hey All ... I'm hoping we can help a dear Irish friend, Aíne Duibhginn O'Draoileáin email: annedreelan@hotmail.com. ... I know this is a long shot since we aren't 100% certain where they landed when they arrived in America. Many of Aine's DEEGAN have been located in NYC area. She's trying to locate: Bridget Deegan born 1827 app Waterford Ireland. Married Thomas Whelan 1851 Waterford Ireland no record after that her parents were Martin Deegan and Margaret Walsh. Thank you so very much!!! Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras" _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=IlLDrLf1cdJbbxbWJdO3TMY7SEZ3SBa%2B7qIsaS8VZgI%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=4NvAry%2BERA5PE%2BSvQfHT0kY8TEnv4HDwHb3KOKv%2FAKw%3D&reserved=0 Archives: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=dsJ6IyNCn0wW7WoDbNeCCfTWtB47gBaR36SXLALKJOc%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=WCaVa6x2Cvc8P2YXCRwrH1EGY9JCcdJgmmdVUIJudKI%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbbb9a74d94e4bb115f308d5d8d73272%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636653341125031427&sdata=aY8yV9pOVSOjjSotCbJom2Ith2zVYYWYPNk5R%2FCobNc%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

A number of my Waterford folk, and others, came through New Brunswick. Don't forget to consider time spent possibly in Canada by Bridget. Some of my rellies didn't stay in Canada but went on down to Boston. I guess what I'm saying is you have to cast a wider net if you don't find this ancestor in NYC. Sheila Santa Barbara CA

Hey All ... I'm hoping we can help a dear Irish friend, Aíne Duibhginn O'Draoileáin email: annedreelan@hotmail.com. ... I know this is a long shot since we aren't 100% certain where they landed when they arrived in America. Many of Aine's DEEGAN have been located in NYC area. She's trying to locate: Bridget Deegan born 1827 app Waterford Ireland. Married Thomas Whelan 1851 Waterford Ireland no record after that her parents were Martin Deegan and Margaret Walsh. Thank you so very much!!! Charlene D. McCarthy May your life be long, your heart be true May your path be clear and your skies be blue May your soul be happy, your spirit light May you know great joy, your dreams take flight "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras"

Thank you so much for these maps! Fun to see how the upper part of the island gradually grew; my grandmother grew up in a huge house somewhere up there and told tales of taking the horse and buggy “downtown” . I especially enjoyed the map of the Hudson River Parkway which I have always loved driving on, so leafy and beautiful. Never thought before about it being done on purpose. Mary in Greece

Wonderful--thanks for posting.  Virginia On ‎Saturday‎, ‎June‎ ‎16‎, ‎2018‎ ‎05‎:‎41‎:‎35‎ ‎PM, Gail Jorgensen <gailjmom@gmail.com> wrote: For all of us with NY ancestry these maps are great http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5850483/Maps-New-York-shows-stunning-evolution.html Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ _______________________________________________ ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website.  Also, check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry:  http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ny-irish@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ny-irish@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Roger, Very much my experience. I have found cousins that I would never found except for DNA. Plus I am working on finding my great grandfather’s biological father. DNA is the only way I will accomplish it. Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~

For all of us with NY ancestry these maps are great http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5850483/Maps-New-York-shows-stunning-evolution.html Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~

I have to agree with Elizabeth. I have spent going on 20 years researching various branches of my family by following paper trails. Sooner or later, the trail always goes cold. In my situation, in some cases that was in the 19th century and in some cases that was in the 16th century. More to the point, documents,  whether due to damage, poor handwriting, omissions, mistakes by the original scribe or someone who later copied them, have to be decoded by someone (us), who can in turn make errors. I personally have given up attempting to correct wrong information about my Timms family tree posted on Ancestry. The errors are often so egregious that I have to wonder how they were made. But my point is that someone thought they had correctly followed a paper trail. That takes me to DNA. A few years back another paper trail researcher and I reached the same conclusion with respect to where our particular Timms trees last connected. Using my Y DNA and the Y DNA from her first cousin sent to Family Tree DNA, we proved our connection. Since then, through Family Tree DNA, I have "discovered" another very distant cousin in Australia who spells his name Timbs. As I understand it, Ancestry and 23andme test autosomal DNA only. I will not attempt here to explain the difference between the various types of DNA tests (autosomal, Y, and mitochondrial) but I do recommend that everyone consider reading up on the limits and benefits of each type of test. So, in summary, I believe that serious researchers should take advantage of whatever tools are out there, while recognizing the limits of each one. Roger   Original Message   From: knowltonew@earthlink.net Sent: June 16, 2018 11:59 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Reply-to: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] dna vs paper trail Bob, I have written you several times with examples of paper trails that did not reveal all that DNA did. Why does it matter to you so much that people accept only your point of view? Elizabeth On 6/16/2018 10:18 AM, nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > And  if  you  had a paper  trail   DNA  would  not  give  you anything  that  you  did  not  already  know _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Bob, I have written you several times with examples of paper trails that did not reveal all that DNA did. Why does it matter to you so much that people accept only your point of view? Elizabeth On 6/16/2018 10:18 AM, nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > And if you had a paper trail DNA would not give you anything that you did not already know

I guess everyone's experience is different. I have had great success with DNA testing both mine and my wifes. I have well documented paper genealogy from last twenty years of research. DNA testing has great enhanced it. It's broken barriers, found many relatives including close ones that were unknown, fun surprises and helped zero in on some fuzzy origins On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Bob P via NYNEWYOR <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > As you say, if a person has a paper trail DNA to me is not > worth the expenditure. > > All you get at best is a second thru 5th cousin. without his > lineage. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: J.H. <jnunnie@frontiernet.net> > To: nynewyor <nynewyor@rootsweb.com>; NYC-ROOTS <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 11:17 am > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: [NYNEWYOR] Re: 23 and Me - question > > > > > I want to thank everyone for helping me with my DNA question. > You all sent out good information about this type of testing. > Plus I found some distant cousins, which is helping too. > I will not recommend this type of testing – good ole paper works better. > I have generations of my family background history in birth, death & etc. > cert. > I appreciate you all answering very much, thanks again. June > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I have done Ancestry & 23 and Me, DNA testing. > > I was always under the impression I was 1/2 Italian & it did not show that > on either test. > > Some one told me they only do the “Mother” side – not the father on these > DNA test. > I find that hard to believe – Is that true?? > > Thanks for any info - June > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ************************************* > Jim Garrity, List Administrator > jimgarrity@earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > nynewyor@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > nynewyor@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- MIKE MCHENRY

Unless there is an NPE (non parental event) that you were unaware of Gail Sent from my AT&T iPhone. ~ Gail ~ > On Jun 16, 2018, at 05:04, kbergheimer@gmail.com wrote: > > All of the testing companies compare your raw DNA sequence to their database to see if anyone else has matching sequences with you. Those matching sequences can be long or short segments. The amount of sequences you have in common (segments in common) determine the genetic distance or relationship to you. > > I hope that helps! > > Check near where you live for a DNA Interest Group to learn more ( much more). > > Kelli Bergheimer > >> On Jun 15, 2018, at 1:05 PM, VLB via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> According to this, the shared DNA is so little that I wonder how Ancestry.com and the other DNA testing companies can make links between 3rd and 4th cousins--and beyond? Yet I see many matches that I already know are mine from records research. Any explanations? Virginia >> >> On ‎Friday‎, ‎June‎ ‎15‎, ‎2018‎ ‎10‎:‎04‎:‎17‎ ‎AM, Bob P via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170668-Average-percent-DNA-shared-between-relatives >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

And if you had a paper trail DNA would not give you anything that you did not already know -----Original Message----- From: kbergheimer <kbergheimer@gmail.com> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: Bob P <rdpiet@aol.com>; VLB <vlbcfb@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 16, 2018 8:05 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Re: Inrteresting - Average percent DNA shared between relatives All of the testing companies compare your raw DNA sequence to their database to see if anyone else has matching sequences with you. Those matching sequences can be long or short segments. The amount of sequences you have in common (segments in common) determine the genetic distance or relationship to you. I hope that helps! Check near where you live for a DNA Interest Group to learn more ( much more). Kelli Bergheimer > On Jun 15, 2018, at 1:05 PM, VLB via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > According to this, the shared DNA is so little that I wonder how Ancestry.com and the other DNA testing companies can make links between 3rd and 4th cousins--and beyond? Yet I see many matches that I already know are mine from records research. Any explanations? Virginia > > On ‎Friday‎, ‎June‎ ‎15‎, ‎2018‎ ‎10‎:‎04‎:‎17‎ ‎AM, Bob P via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170668-Average-percent-DNA-shared-between-relatives > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

All of the testing companies compare your raw DNA sequence to their database to see if anyone else has matching sequences with you. Those matching sequences can be long or short segments. The amount of sequences you have in common (segments in common) determine the genetic distance or relationship to you. I hope that helps! Check near where you live for a DNA Interest Group to learn more ( much more). Kelli Bergheimer > On Jun 15, 2018, at 1:05 PM, VLB via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > According to this, the shared DNA is so little that I wonder how Ancestry.com and the other DNA testing companies can make links between 3rd and 4th cousins--and beyond? Yet I see many matches that I already know are mine from records research. Any explanations? Virginia > > On ‎Friday‎, ‎June‎ ‎15‎, ‎2018‎ ‎10‎:‎04‎:‎17‎ ‎AM, Bob P via NYC-ROOTS <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170668-Average-percent-DNA-shared-between-relatives > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you . No I have not seen that image and would love it. I wonder what his connection was to the deaf community. Perhaps his wife Margaret? Lisa On Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 8:08 PM Lynne Kemp <dent_48@hotmail.com> wrote: > Lisa, he is listed in the St. Ann's Church for Deaf-Mutes although he is a > hearing man. Has anyone sent you the image yet? If not, I could contact > you to your private email address. > Regards, > Lynne Kemp. > > > Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > > ________________________________ > From: Lisa Thompson <pupsnpaper@gmail.com> > Sent: June 13, 2018 11:03 AM > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Ancestry request > > Could someone with an Ancestry membership look up a record for me? I'm home > sick with strep, so a visit to the library or FHC is out of the question. > :( > > New York, Episcopal diocese of NY > LEBRECHT, Adam > d: 1903 > > I have his date of death and I believe he's buried in Lutheran All Faiths, > but I'm interested in knowing any other info this record could provide. I > do believe there is an image of it, as well. > > Thanks in advance, > Lisa > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C677296f2a5334465b1eb08d5d1474f78%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636645026552637703&sdata=naRDqRFpIRq3oe2aTypowZPuJrfQWQfOMNqw1m%2BFbEo%3D&reserved=0 > > Unsubscribe > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C677296f2a5334465b1eb08d5d1474f78%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636645026552637703&sdata=GlRgIw3DIgvoEpmhxYGZj4tU1wg%2BHK%2F6an5d2ElfYkw%3D&reserved=0 > > Archives: > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fhyperkitty%2Flist%2Fnyc-roots%40rootsweb.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C677296f2a5334465b1eb08d5d1474f78%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636645026552637703&sdata=3ckEBGX0IC038cKmNGSxowtk%2F3B8QbWxwDfImfxPKI8%3D&reserved=0 > > Privacy Statement: > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C677296f2a5334465b1eb08d5d1474f78%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636645026552637703&sdata=5imK3dE3lHZ0QG4xefs%2BnfwZvPbzb9eTgVR4NmNNx54%3D&reserved=0 > Terms and Conditions: > https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C677296f2a5334465b1eb08d5d1474f78%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636645026552637703&sdata=0XEyLriiluOvxvQBZFWNgsa7CoaaQx3TgxNWVWf0y%2Fs%3D&reserved=0 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/nyc-roots@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >