Greetings Walter, from Athens, Greece. You should definitely have a look for your g-g-g-uncle on the 1850 US Federal Census. If his name is one that could easily be misspelled, try a general search yourself in the area around Sacramento. It should be fascinating reading in any case. Mary in Greece > Hi, > > I suspect, my g g g uncle was one of the 49ers, rushing for gold from NYC > to California in 1849. He was in NYC in early 1849 and showed up in > southern > Oregon in 1852. Any suggestions, where to look for data (list of travelers > / > passengers; special mailing lists; web sites)? > > Greetings from Berlin / Germany > > Walter

Oh, no, if my husband reads this, he will have figured how much money I have spent. Not an inexpensive hobby at all. But feeling like you accomplished a task---worth it! He does know exactly how much time I have put into it. Kathleen, OCala, FL ---- Melanie Egan <megan@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > I can't resist joining in. Genealogy IS an expensive hobby, and I explain > that to friends who think we do this at no cost. (They are shocked when I > say I easily spent $1000 in my first year.) They aren't always willing to > pay for copies of documents, much less subscriptions.

In addition to studying passenger lists, also check for crew lists, if possible. One of the standard ways of reaching the West Coast was to sign on as a deck hand and then desert the ship when it arrived in San Francisco. One source says that over 700 vessels were abandoned in S.F. harbor when the sailors left for the goldfields. A few of these ships were used as permanent waterfront buildings. When the Transamerica tower was constructed several blocks from the current waterfront in the 1970s, the hull of the Niantic, which had been used as a hotel, was discovered during below-grade excavations. Good luck with your search - Anne * * * * * Anne W. Brown, Trustee New York Marble Cemetery www.marblecemetery.org Open May 1-2 > Hi, > > I suspect, my g g g uncle was one of the 49ers, rushing for gold from NYC > to California in 1849. He was in NYC in early 1849 and showed up in > southern > Oregon in 1852. Any suggestions, where to look for data (list of travelers > / > passengers; special mailing lists; web sites)? > > Greetings from Berlin / Germany > > Walter

Hi Barb, My father did not die in NYC. When I inquired about "fixing" it I was told that only information such as cause of death could be corrected. But I think I will ask again. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] death certs > Ladies, if the DCs are erroneous, you can have them corrected. Yes, you > will have to pay a fee for it to be changed, but you can get them > corrected, > eveb 26 years later. I did this for my direct line ancestor's brother, > that > was in error for 80 years. > > Fortunately, my father and I composed his obituary together, before he > passed away. So, when family told the undertaker that he was born in > Manhattan > because it "sounded better than the Bronx," and that he completed an M.S. > degree [I guess that sounded better too], when he never completed the > required > thesis thus degree, I was not going head to head with them. > > Usually errors happen when someone, perhaps married into the family, > provides the details, or doesn't care, but in some cases it is deliberate. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > NYIHR, GGG > > > > Barb > NYC Researcher > > >> From:bobbidoll@optonline.net >> >> Hi Kim, >> >> You are so right. My father died 26 years ago. On his death certificate >> it >> gives a birth year two years later than his. His occupation was given as >> a >> mechanic, it should have been carpenter. And worst of all, his mother's >> maiden name was copied from his birth record, which was in error. If my >> family does not pass down my research heaven help my descendants who try >> to >> find her family. >> Bobbi > =====================> >> From: "Kim Hawkins" >> >> > My grandmother passed away Thursday in East Northport and while I was >> > in >> >> > New York for her funeral I was given a copy of her death certificate. >> It >> > was a genealogist nightmare. Her mothers maiden name was spelled >> > wrong, >> >> > my grandmothers middle name was omitted, they marked that she graduated >> > from High School. I dont believe she did and for her occupation they >> had >> > put homemaker. My grandmother worked in a factory and retired from >> there. >> > I was very disappointed and when I asked my mother why they put >> homemaker >> > down instead of her occupation she said "It was just easier". I just >> want >> > to remind everyone that death certs have errors and not to count on >> > them >> >> > 100% for accurate info. >> > Kim

My grandfather's death certificate, social security application and the 1930 census are all wrong about his birth year and birth location. And it was most definitely very deliberate -- on his part. Unfortunately, his tombstone is also wrong. All of those indicate that he was born in 1890 when in fact he was born in 1880. That's all because he had a wife and 2 children that he abandoned in Montreal before he ever even met my grandmother. He didn't want my grandmother, my father or my uncle to know about his first family, so he lied about his age. My grandmother, father and uncle all knew that he was actually born in Montreal, but his death certificate, social security application and the 1930 census all indicate he was born in either Minnesota or Minneapolis. And that's because he didn't want to have to worry about being an alien in the U.S. before and during the World War II era. He immigrated to the U.S. from Montreal by way of Cuba in the 1920's. I located one record on the Canadian Border Crossings showing him heading from Montreal to Cuba, and I located another record in the New Orleans passenger lists showing him coming from Cuba to the U.S. -- supposedly on his way back to Montreal, but he never left the U.S. after that. And he never formally immigrated either -- he merely claimed to have been born in the U.S. once he was already here. Early on, part of that might have been to hide from his family in Montreal, but eventually World War II played a bigger role in the deception. About 12 years ago I found the proof that he was born in 1880 in Montreal (he was baptized in a Catholic church there). I never even thought about trying to correct his death certificate; I'll look into that. I have no idea how much it would cost to correct his tombstone, but that is something I have thought about doing from time to time. -- Mary On 4/26/2010 8:51 PM, MizScarlettNY@aol.com wrote: [snip] > > Usually errors happen when someone, perhaps married into the family, > provides the details, or doesn't care, but in some cases it is deliberate. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > NYIHR, GGG [snip]

Ladies, if the DCs are erroneous, you can have them corrected. Yes, you will have to pay a fee for it to be changed, but you can get them corrected, eveb 26 years later. I did this for my direct line ancestor's brother, that was in error for 80 years. Fortunately, my father and I composed his obituary together, before he passed away. So, when family told the undertaker that he was born in Manhattan because it "sounded better than the Bronx," and that he completed an M.S. degree [I guess that sounded better too], when he never completed the required thesis thus degree, I was not going head to head with them. Usually errors happen when someone, perhaps married into the family, provides the details, or doesn't care, but in some cases it is deliberate. Barb NYC Researcher NYIHR, GGG Barb NYC Researcher > From:bobbidoll@optonline.net > > Hi Kim, > > You are so right. My father died 26 years ago. On his death certificate > it > gives a birth year two years later than his. His occupation was given as > a > mechanic, it should have been carpenter. And worst of all, his mother's > maiden name was copied from his birth record, which was in error. If my > family does not pass down my research heaven help my descendants who try > to > find her family. > Bobbi =====================> > From: "Kim Hawkins" > > > My grandmother passed away Thursday in East Northport and while I was in > > > New York for her funeral I was given a copy of her death certificate. > It > > was a genealogist nightmare. Her mothers maiden name was spelled wrong, > > > my grandmothers middle name was omitted, they marked that she graduated > > from High School. I dont believe she did and for her occupation they > had > > put homemaker. My grandmother worked in a factory and retired from > there. > > I was very disappointed and when I asked my mother why they put > homemaker > > down instead of her occupation she said "It was just easier". I just > want > > to remind everyone that death certs have errors and not to count on them > > > 100% for accurate info. > > Kim

Kim, Back in 1995, my brother in law died. My mother in law (his mother) was with us. I don't recall who wrote out the info form but we all looked at it but none of us never noticed that his mother's name was missing from the form. In 1910 in Pittsburgh, my maternal grandfather died. When I got a copy of the death certificate around 1978, my mother and my aunt looked at it and said, "That's not his mother's name" (name listed was Mary Dillon but the correct name was Rose McManus). My grandmother was listed as the informant. My grandmother knew her mother in law since they came from the same place in County Down Ireland. I could go on and on about errors on death certificates (even baptismal certificates). Someone once told me, "Don't believe death certificate info until you can confirm it. The only person who knows the truth is the deceased". Nora In a message dated 4/26/2010 7:48:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _khawk@parishonline.tv_ (mailto:khawk@parishonline.tv) writes: My grandmother passed away Thursday in East Northport and while I was in New York for her funeral I was given a copy of her death certificate. It was a genealogist nightmare. Her mothers maiden name was spelled wrong, my grandmothers middle name was omitted, they marked that she graduated from High School. I dont believe she did and for her occupation they had put homemaker. My grandmother worked in a factory and retired from there. I was very disappointed and when I asked my mother why they put homemaker down instead of her occupation she said "It was just easier". I just want to remind everyone that death certs have errors and not to count on them 100% for accurate info. Kim

Hi Kim, You are so right. My father died 26 years ago. On his death certificate it gives a birth year two years later than his. His occupation was given as a mechanic, it should have been carpenter. And worst of all, his mother's maiden name was copied from his birth record, which was in error. If my family does not pass down my research heaven help my descendants who try to find her family. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Hawkins" To: "NYsuffolk" <nysuffol-L@rootsweb.com>; "NYC Roots" <NYC-roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:45 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] death certs > My grandmother passed away Thursday in East Northport and while I was in > New York for her funeral I was given a copy of her death certificate. It > was a genealogist nightmare. Her mothers maiden name was spelled wrong, > my grandmothers middle name was omitted, they marked that she graduated > from High School. I dont believe she did and for her occupation they had > put homemaker. My grandmother worked in a factory and retired from there. > I was very disappointed and when I asked my mother why they put homemaker > down instead of her occupation she said "It was just easier". I just want > to remind everyone that death certs have errors and not to count on them > 100% for accurate info. > Kim

You may want to consider re evaluating your google message. Google des not supoprt wild cards for one word. This is called exact phrase search For best results put the name you are looking for in "." This does not work because goggle does not suppiort wild card with one word If you have a word that could possibly be either singular or plural such as cemetery or cemeteries, leave off the ending and add an * Many search engines let you substitute asterisks for single letters within search phrases, so you could search for "heat*" and find "heated," "heating," and "heats." Google does not support this. However, Google automatically does something very similar each time you search. Google uses stemming technology to find variations of each word in your search, so searching for "diet" automatically finds variations like "dietary" and "diets." **************************************************************************** ************************* Hi Walter, Have you tried a Google search? For best results put the name you are looking for in "." You can add other identifyers to narrow the search by putting + in front of a word. If you get too many unwanted results with something in particular use - in front of the word or phrase. If you have a word that could possibly be either singular or plural such as cemetery or cemeteries, leave off the ending and add an * You could also add an ~ in front of a word to bring up similar words. If you try any of these do not leave a space between it and the word. For example: cemeter* or +"Gold Rush" If the person had a middle name you could try the name both ways. For example: "John Smith" OR "John A. Smith" OR "John August Smith" If you do that the word OR needs to be capitalized. The search engine will ignore or. You might also try different search engines. Different engines bring up different results. Good luck, Bobbi

My grandmother passed away Thursday in East Northport and while I was in New York for her funeral I was given a copy of her death certificate. It was a genealogist nightmare. Her mothers maiden name was spelled wrong, my grandmothers middle name was omitted, they marked that she graduated from High School. I dont believe she did and for her occupation they had put homemaker. My grandmother worked in a factory and retired from there. I was very disappointed and when I asked my mother why they put homemaker down instead of her occupation she said "It was just easier". I just want to remind everyone that death certs have errors and not to count on them 100% for accurate info. Kim

Hi, I suspect, my g g g uncle was one of the 49ers, rushing for gold from NYC to California in 1849. He was in NYC in early 1849 and showed up in southern Oregon in 1852. Any suggestions, where to look for data (list of travelers / passengers; special mailing lists; web sites)? Greetings from Berlin / Germany Walter

Hi, how would I find out, who owned a certain house / property in the 1905 - 1915 timeframe in NYC? In my case, this house is 120 E 115th street Greetings from Berlin / Germany Walter

Films are available from LDS _http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/guide/Hamburg_Pass_List.asp_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/guide/Hamburg_Pass_List.asp) I forgot to mention, those lending libraries do not loan them out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NY Passenger Lists > There are some lending libraries that have them, but they are few and far > between. > > For a list of libraries see: > http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/emig/gta-holdings.html > > Scroll down for the U.S. > > Bobbi

I forgot to mention, those lending libraries do not loan them out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NY Passenger Lists > There are some lending libraries that have them, but they are few and far > between. > > For a list of libraries see: > http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/emig/gta-holdings.html > > Scroll down for the U.S. > > Bobbi

Hi Walter, Have you tried a Google search? For best results put the name you are looking for in "." You can add other identifyers to narrow the search by putting + in front of a word. If you get too many unwanted results with something in particular use - in front of the word or phrase. If you have a word that could possibly be either singular or plural such as cemetery or cemeteries, leave off the ending and add an * You could also add an ~ in front of a word to bring up similar words. If you try any of these do not leave a space between it and the word. For example: cemeter* or +"Gold Rush" If the person had a middle name you could try the name both ways. For example: "John Smith" OR "John A. Smith" OR "John August Smith" If you do that the word OR needs to be capitalized. The search engine will ignore or. You might also try different search engines. Different engines bring up different results. Good luck, Bobbi

Hi Walter, CA-GOLDRUSH-L Topic: A mailing list for anyone who is interested in early California miners and settlers, especially in northern California, 1848-1880. Additional information can be found on the GOLDRUSH Most Wanted website. There is a Web page for the CA-GOLDRUSH mailing list at . For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at CA-GOLDRUSH-admin@rootsweb.com. a.. Subscribing. Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join CA-GOLDRUSH-L, send mail to CA-GOLDRUSH-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join CA-GOLDRUSH-D, do the same thing with CA-GOLDRUSH-D-request@rootsweb.com. a.. Subscribe to CA-GOLDRUSH-L b.. Subscribe to CA-GOLDRUSH-D (digest) b.. Unsubscribing. To leave CA-GOLDRUSH-L, send mail to CA-GOLDRUSH-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave CA-GOLDRUSH-D, do the same thing with CA-GOLDRUSH-D-request@rootsweb.com. a.. Unsubscribe from CA-GOLDRUSH-L b.. Unsubscribe from CA-GOLDRUSH-D (digest) c.. Archives. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. Some list archives are not available; if there is a link here to an archive but the link doesn't work, it probably just means that no messages have been posted to that list yet. a.. Search the CA-GOLDRUSH archives b.. Browse the CA-GOLDRUSH archives Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Wintjen" To: <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] gold rush > Hi, > > I suspect, my g g g uncle was one of the 49ers, rushing for gold from NYC > to California in 1849. He was in NYC in early 1849 and showed up in > southern > Oregon in 1852. Any suggestions, where to look for data (list of travelers > / > passengers; special mailing lists; web sites)? > > Greetings from Berlin / Germany > > Walter

There are some lending libraries that have them, but they are few and far between. For a list of libraries see: http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/emig/gta-holdings.html Scroll down for the U.S. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1)" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] NY Passenger Lists > See the books Germans to America in most good research libraries they are > by > the year with an index of all the names in the back. Leads you to a > ships > manifest name of the ship departure from Germany both Antwerp and the > North > Sea ports around Hamburg. This is free to look at just call around to see > who has a set. I doubt that they are included in the lending libraries as > there are to many years to look through. > > Dan

Yes, I sure do. I was fascinated by it, that they could gather up all those old people (and some new) from your life which you had surely forgotten, but who you had obviously made an impression upon. I always wondered what people would say about me when I got old. Well, now here I am, at 61 and I still don't know what they would say except that I have been doggedly working on my family trees for 8 years now. Love, Cathy in Florida, Native of Brooklyn -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi <bobbidoll@optonline.net> To: myperidot@verizon.net; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] A FEW DEGREES OFF TOPIC I guess we are giving away our ages, but I certainly do. ----- Original Message ----- rom: "myperidot" o: <NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com> c: <NYNEWYOR@rootsweb.com>; <NY-IRISH@rootsweb.com>; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> ent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:21 PM ubject: [NYC-ROOTS] A FEW DEGREES OFF TOPIC Just wondering if anyone out there remembers a TV program called. "THIS IS YOUR LIFE" back some eons ago..I think Ralph Edwards was the host. C ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I was mistaken. There is a Hamburg passenger departure list oon ancestry. The Spajn's of 1871 were not on it. I sent you a message on all the Spahn's that arrrived n 24 Jul 1871. I have a BrickWall at a passenger list. Does anyone have any experience/success with researching emigration records from the source country? Does that require an Internation account at Ancestory? Is it worth the expense? The ship in question is called the Westphalia; arrived NY, 24 Jul 1871 from Hamburg Germany. My brick wall is Anne Spahn. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Go to _http://www.castlegarden.org/_ (http://www.castlegarden.org/) to see the manifest of the ship. Departure records from Germany are not available to my knowledge. have a BrickWall at a passenger list. Does anyone have any experience/success with researching emigration records from the source country? Does that require an Internation account at Ancestory? Is it worth the expense? The ship in question is called the Westphalia; arrived NY, 24 Jul 1871 from Hamburg Germany. My brick wall is Anne Spahn. _____________________________________