In a message dated 5/31/2010 10:40:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, loreenwl@gmail.com writes: I got my ggrandfather's pension file. He mustered out in fragile health and was never able to work much after that. He died in 1887 without applying for a pension. His widow filed for one Per the above, I have a pension copy of a widow who had to run the pension gauntlet for years because her late husband had spelled his name O'Brian when mustering in, and O'Brien when mustering out. I'm not sure she ever did get it, though a legion of upstanding citizens swore in her behalf. Now that I think about it, does anyone know what the average pension payment was, after all that travail? Jack Langton

I advised a friend how to request a death certificate from NYC via the SLC request for copies at $2 per certificate.  She called this morning and this was what she was told: "I called the 800 # to ask about Form 31768 (Request for photocopies) and was informed that it has been discontinued. The lady who talked with me said I would have to go to a FHC and ask for whatever form they use and pick it up there. She didn't seem to know what I should do if they do not HAVE a Photocopy Request Form." Any help you can give her? Dee in Phoenix When a person dies, a library closes. Researching: NJ: Snook, Bozarth, Dickerson, Dalton, Hicks, Asay NY: Semlear, Stoothoff, Foster, Murray, Dierks, Cairns PA: Hicks, Shaw, Roberts, Swartz/Black, Penrose Nova Scotia: Arthur, Hutt, Eisenhauer, Conrod, Morris

$8 a month. It did go up later. Much later. Loreen On 10-06-01 07:34 AM, JackLangton@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/31/2010 10:40:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > loreenwl@gmail.com writes: > > I got my ggrandfather's pension file. He mustered out in fragile health > and was never able to work much after that. He died in 1887 without > applying for a pension. His widow filed for one > > > > Per the above, I have a pension copy of a widow who had to run the > pension gauntlet for years because her late husband had spelled his name > O'Brian when mustering in, and O'Brien when mustering out. I'm not sure she ever > did get it, though a legion of upstanding citizens swore in her behalf. > > Now that I think about it, does anyone know what the average pension > payment was, after all that travail? > > Jack Langton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My great great grandmother received $12 a month in 1894 for her son's service. But the big payoff was receiving his back pay which was about $10,000 minus charges for uniforms etc. How much of that she ever received though is still a mystery to me - though she clearly claimed it. The NARA records contained the pension boards audit and the figures involved. It took her about three years to get the pension because she had remarried and they confused the son's last name, Campbell, with hers which was Wilson - but she definitely got it. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JackLangton@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 7:34 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfatherin1870census for ... In a message dated 5/31/2010 10:40:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, loreenwl@gmail.com writes: I got my ggrandfather's pension file. He mustered out in fragile health and was never able to work much after that. He died in 1887 without applying for a pension. His widow filed for one Per the above, I have a pension copy of a widow who had to run the pension gauntlet for years because her late husband had spelled his name O'Brian when mustering in, and O'Brien when mustering out. I'm not sure she ever did get it, though a legion of upstanding citizens swore in her behalf. Now that I think about it, does anyone know what the average pension payment was, after all that travail? Jack Langton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Congressman can get these files cheaper than the rest of us. I will try that route now that I have his enlistment dates. It could be that the family was living in the same area where son James Andrew enlisted from or where he was discharged from could be both. Dan

if you want to get all the information that's in a Civil War pension file, should you find one exists, you will need to send for that file from NARA. It's expensive these days, but some files have tons of genealogical records in them. Some have next to nothing. If the pension was awarded early after or during the war, you will get more. If there is a widow's pension, you can get more. If the soldier outlived everybody into failing health and old age, you won't get as much. You might not, in fact, get much besides health records. I got my ggrandfather's pension file. He mustered out in fragile health and was never able to work much after that. He died in 1887 without applying for a pension. His widow filed for one. She had to prove her marriage, his service, and what happened to him during and after the war. She provided a series of letter he wrote home from the war as part of her proofs. She also had to provide affidavits from a bunch of other family members, fellow soldiers and friends. All those providing affidavits had to identify themselves and their relationships. Her children were grown by the time she filed. Had her children still lived at home, she would have had to provide proofs for their births as well. Those files also include the soldier's death record. On the other end of that spectrum, I got a pension file for my husband's ggrandfather that had very little in it. He lived to be in his 90s, after his brothers and wife all died. He didn't apply for his pension until not long before he died. By that time the requirements for pension eligibility had been relaxed considerably so proofs were less onerous. He had no wife or children living with him who needed to get benefits. He had worked a farm most of his adult life but finally had been physically unable to do that kind of work. Most of the documentation in that file was for his health and his service unit. I have 13 or 14 of these files with every grade of data in between these two. When I got all but one of these files, there was a nominal set fee for whatever you got. The price went way up a couple years ago. Now there is a base price which is expensive to start. You also now get charged for the number of pages in the file. Some of these files have a couple hundred pages. You get more but you pay more too. NARA will not tell you in advance how much it will cost. You just agree to pay whatever it comes to be. That all makes for a somewhat risky venture these days. I did send for one file after this system changed. I wanted it because there were a lot of unanswered questions relating to that particular soldier. The file was for his widow. She could not collect because she could not prove he died. She could not prove anything actually because he abandoned her and his children. He changed his name, then reenlisted. Nearly as I can tell, he changed his name because he enlisted, then immediately deserted. Then he wanted to go back in the service so did that under an assumed name. Then he disappeared. He went into hidiing somewhere. Or whatever - new girl friend maybe? I found all this fascinating but I never found him either. It was pretty expensive in the bargain. Fortunately for me, if not for his wife, the file was small enough to get for the base fee. If your guy is from NY, one place to start is with the NY state archives. They have NY Civil War enlistment records. Those records will tell you when and where he enlisted, his physical description, what unit he served, if he changed units, and when and where he was mustered out. It tells if he deserted or was a POW. If a POW, it tells when and where. You can get quite a bit of material from the state records. You can search for names on their website. You can send for those records for a small fee. The form is on the web site. They are most accommodating. There are other web sites for finding whether someone served in that war, some free and some for pay. The best free site is _http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/_ Loreen Wells > Try > http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/pre-ww-1-records.html On 10-05-31 02:49 PM, Vi & Ted Schmitz wrote: > Try > http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/pre-ww-1-records.html > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1)" > <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> > To:<nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>;<tvschmitz@zianet.com> > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather > > fr > in1870census for Manhattan > > > >> Is this something that I can access on line? >> >> Dan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Vi& Ted Schmitz"<tvschmitz@zianet.com> >> To:<nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather >> in1870census for Manhattan >> >> >> >>> Try the National Archives for their Civil War Pension records, I found a >>> gold mine in those of my great grandfather and his brother in law. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lisa Thompson"<lisajtmo@yahoo.com> >>> To: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1)" >>> <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com>; >>> <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in >>> 1870census for Manhattan >>> >>> >>> >>>> John W. and possibly Robert J. would've been old enough to serve in the >>>> Civil War. (Robert probably a little later into the war.) I'd search >>>> Civil >>>> War deaths to see if you find either of them there. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lisa >>>> * * * * >>>> Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com >>>> Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - >>>> http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ >>>> Design Team Member for Sweet Sketch Wednesday - >>>> http://sweetsketchwednesday.blogspot.com >>>> TAC demonstrator #0482 >>>> >>>> The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but >>>> because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1) >>>> <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> >>>> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 12:58:47 PM >>>> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in 1870 >>>> census for Manhattan >>>> >>>> Folks, I found in the 1870 US Census for Manhattan the names of my 2nd >>>> great >>>> grandfather (Andrew Wood 1805), his wife (Julia Ann 1820), and children >>>> (James Andrew 1837, Deborah 1841, John W. 1843, Charolotte 1844, Robert >>>> J. >>>> 1847, and Gertrude 1853) James was also listed separately with his wife >>>> and >>>> two of three children still living as a second entry. I had previously >>>> found this family in the 1850 US Census for Tarrytownship (Mount >>>> Pleasant) >>>> Westchester county, NY so I know this is the same family even with the >>>> similar names of the parents. I cannot find any of these people after >>>> 1870 >>>> with the exception of James Andrew who is my First Great grandfather. I >>>> really need any suggestions on what and where to look for to find more >>>> on >>>> this family. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Ellen,If you know the bd as 8/04/87 it is most likely a slamdunk! Even 1887 alone loooks good! It would be a greater stretch to assume not them with parents surnames correct.( I have Ploch in my tree later found as Block, Bloch). I believe Ploch was "old country". I  also once followed an Isidore who changed his name so as not to be id'd as hebrew.Also the LDS extracts of NYC records are often not reliableA thought: If you send to LDS using the batch # for a copy of the record, or the film to view, perhaps you might correlate the hospital location (if any) with your 1880, 1900 census neighborhood locations.Tom(further north of NYC than Barb)

Try http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/pre-ww-1-records.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1)" <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; <tvschmitz@zianet.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in1870census for Manhattan > Is this something that I can access on line? > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vi & Ted Schmitz" <tvschmitz@zianet.com> > To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:14 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather > in1870census for Manhattan > > >> Try the National Archives for their Civil War Pension records, I found a >> gold mine in those of my great grandfather and his brother in law. >> >> Ted >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lisa Thompson" <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> >> To: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1)" >> <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com>; >> <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in >> 1870census for Manhattan >> >> >>> John W. and possibly Robert J. would've been old enough to serve in the >>> Civil War. (Robert probably a little later into the war.) I'd search >>> Civil >>> War deaths to see if you find either of them there. >>> >>> >>> Lisa >>> * * * * >>> Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com >>> Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - >>> http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ >>> Design Team Member for Sweet Sketch Wednesday - >>> http://sweetsketchwednesday.blogspot.com >>> TAC demonstrator #0482 >>> >>> The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but >>> because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1) >>> <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> >>> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 12:58:47 PM >>> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in 1870 >>> census for Manhattan >>> >>> Folks, I found in the 1870 US Census for Manhattan the names of my 2nd >>> great >>> grandfather (Andrew Wood 1805), his wife (Julia Ann 1820), and children >>> (James Andrew 1837, Deborah 1841, John W. 1843, Charolotte 1844, Robert >>> J. >>> 1847, and Gertrude 1853) James was also listed separately with his wife >>> and >>> two of three children still living as a second entry. I had previously >>> found this family in the 1850 US Census for Tarrytownship (Mount >>> Pleasant) >>> Westchester county, NY so I know this is the same family even with the >>> similar names of the parents. I cannot find any of these people after >>> 1870 >>> with the exception of James Andrew who is my First Great grandfather. I >>> really need any suggestions on what and where to look for to find more >>> on >>> this family. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Try the National Archives for their Civil War Pension records, I found a gold mine in those of my great grandfather and his brother in law. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Thompson" <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> To: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1)" <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com>; <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in 1870census for Manhattan > John W. and possibly Robert J. would've been old enough to serve in the > Civil War. (Robert probably a little later into the war.) I'd search Civil > War deaths to see if you find either of them there. > > > Lisa > * * * * > Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com > Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - > http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ > Design Team Member for Sweet Sketch Wednesday - > http://sweetsketchwednesday.blogspot.com > TAC demonstrator #0482 > > The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but > because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1) > <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 12:58:47 PM > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in 1870 > census for Manhattan > > Folks, I found in the 1870 US Census for Manhattan the names of my 2nd > great > grandfather (Andrew Wood 1805), his wife (Julia Ann 1820), and children > (James Andrew 1837, Deborah 1841, John W. 1843, Charolotte 1844, Robert > J. > 1847, and Gertrude 1853) James was also listed separately with his wife > and > two of three children still living as a second entry. I had previously > found this family in the 1850 US Census for Tarrytownship (Mount Pleasant) > Westchester county, NY so I know this is the same family even with the > similar names of the parents. I cannot find any of these people after > 1870 > with the exception of James Andrew who is my First Great grandfather. I > really need any suggestions on what and where to look for to find more on > this family. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Is this something that I can access on line? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vi & Ted Schmitz" <tvschmitz@zianet.com> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in1870census for Manhattan > Try the National Archives for their Civil War Pension records, I found a > gold mine in those of my great grandfather and his brother in law. > > Ted > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Thompson" <lisajtmo@yahoo.com> > To: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1)" > <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com>; > <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in > 1870census for Manhattan > > >> John W. and possibly Robert J. would've been old enough to serve in the >> Civil War. (Robert probably a little later into the war.) I'd search >> Civil >> War deaths to see if you find either of them there. >> >> >> Lisa >> * * * * >> Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com >> Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - >> http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ >> Design Team Member for Sweet Sketch Wednesday - >> http://sweetsketchwednesday.blogspot.com >> TAC demonstrator #0482 >> >> The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but >> because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1) >> <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> >> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 12:58:47 PM >> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in 1870 >> census for Manhattan >> >> Folks, I found in the 1870 US Census for Manhattan the names of my 2nd >> great >> grandfather (Andrew Wood 1805), his wife (Julia Ann 1820), and children >> (James Andrew 1837, Deborah 1841, John W. 1843, Charolotte 1844, Robert >> J. >> 1847, and Gertrude 1853) James was also listed separately with his wife >> and >> two of three children still living as a second entry. I had previously >> found this family in the 1850 US Census for Tarrytownship (Mount >> Pleasant) >> Westchester county, NY so I know this is the same family even with the >> similar names of the parents. I cannot find any of these people after >> 1870 >> with the exception of James Andrew who is my First Great grandfather. I >> really need any suggestions on what and where to look for to find more on >> this family. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John W. and possibly Robert J. would've been old enough to serve in the Civil War. (Robert probably a little later into the war.) I'd search Civil War deaths to see if you find either of them there. Lisa * * * * Paper and Pawprints - http://paperandpawprints.blogspot.com Design Team Member for DigiStampBoutique - http://www.digistampboutique.co.uk/ Design Team Member for Sweet Sketch Wednesday - http://sweetsketchwednesday.blogspot.com TAC demonstrator #0482 The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein ----- Original Message ---- From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1) <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 12:58:47 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in 1870 census for Manhattan Folks, I found in the 1870 US Census for Manhattan the names of my 2nd great grandfather (Andrew Wood 1805), his wife (Julia Ann 1820), and children (James Andrew 1837, Deborah 1841, John W. 1843, Charolotte 1844, Robert J. 1847, and Gertrude 1853) James was also listed separately with his wife and two of three children still living as a second entry. I had previously found this family in the 1850 US Census for Tarrytownship (Mount Pleasant) Westchester county, NY so I know this is the same family even with the similar names of the parents. I cannot find any of these people after 1870 with the exception of James Andrew who is my First Great grandfather. I really need any suggestions on what and where to look for to find more on this family. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Tom, Steven, Patty and Lily for their help with my request for opinions on whether or not I have found the correct birth records for twins born to Isidor and Jeannette Alexander. I really appreciate your taking the time to help me. Ellen Alexander In a message dated 5/31/2010 1:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tommys2@optimum.net writes: Ellen,If you know the bd as 8/04/87 it is most likely a slamdunk! Even 1887 alone loooks good! It would be a greater stretch to assume not them with parents surnames correct.( I have Ploch in my tree later found as Block, Bloch). I believe Ploch was "old country". I also once followed an Isidore who changed his name so as not to be id'd as hebrew.Also the LDS extracts of NYC records are often not reliableA thought: If you send to LDS using the batch # for a copy of the record, or the film to view, perhaps you might correlate the hospital location (if any) with your 1880, 1900 census neighborhood locations.Tom(further north of NYC than Barb)

Do you have any ideas if Andrew's daughters married? Kate --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1) <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> wrote: From: Daniel David Lewis Frommherz (1) <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] I found my 2nd great (maternal) grandfather in 1870 census for Manhattan To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:58 PM Folks, I found in the 1870 US Census for Manhattan the names of my 2nd great grandfather (Andrew Wood 1805), his wife (Julia Ann 1820), and children (James Andrew 1837, Deborah 1841,  John W. 1843, Charolotte 1844, Robert J. 1847, and Gertrude 1853) James was also listed separately with his wife and two of three children still living as a second entry.  I had previously found this family in the 1850 US Census for Tarrytownship (Mount Pleasant) Westchester county, NY so I know this is the same family even with the similar names of the parents.  I cannot find any of these people after 1870 with the exception of James Andrew who is my First Great grandfather.  I really need any suggestions on what and where to look for to find more on this family. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks, I found in the 1870 US Census for Manhattan the names of my 2nd great grandfather (Andrew Wood 1805), his wife (Julia Ann 1820), and children (James Andrew 1837, Deborah 1841, John W. 1843, Charolotte 1844, Robert J. 1847, and Gertrude 1853) James was also listed separately with his wife and two of three children still living as a second entry. I had previously found this family in the 1850 US Census for Tarrytownship (Mount Pleasant) Westchester county, NY so I know this is the same family even with the similar names of the parents. I cannot find any of these people after 1870 with the exception of James Andrew who is my First Great grandfather. I really need any suggestions on what and where to look for to find more on this family.

You might want to look at these sites and call the clerk's office, Docket Dept. and ask them to check to see if the docket is available there. That will reveal name of defendant's (doctor) attorney, district attorney prosecuting, names of witnesses, probably names of adoptive parents, and lots more. Good luck. City of New York: Bronx County Clerk's Office a.. BRONX COUNTY CLERKS OFFICE CONTACT INFORMATION. Bronx County Clerks Office 851 Grand Concourse, Room 118. Bronx, NY 10451. (866) 797-7214 phone (718) 590-8122 fax ... Office information - Docket department - Law & equity - Notary bronxcountyclerksoffice.com/ - a.. a.. BRONX HISTORY - :: BRONX COUNTY CLERKS OFFICE :: The Bronx originally was part of Westchester County. In 1841, the New York and Harlem Railroad began regular commuter service between The Bronx and ... bronxcountyclerksoffice.com/en/history/index.htm - Cached - Similar ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabriele Harkey-Bornkessel To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] court transcripts >From all that I have found, this case was arraigned 3 Sep 1948 at Bronx Court / Special Sessions and held over for trial by Judge Frank A. Oliver. Trial was scheduled for 21 Sep 1948. The defendant was Dr. Morris Leff - obgyn, charged with improper record keeping and falsifying at least one birth certificate. Dr. Leff had previously ran the Central Park Hospital, aka Dr Leff's Hospital on 110th St. NYC. At this time he had his own clinic, Dr. Leff's Maternity Hospital which was located on the Grand Concourse in the Bronx. The NY Times ran another article on 26 Jan 1949 handing down sentence. (found guilty). According to the New York Times, he was sentenced by Judge Samuel Joseph. From information I have found about Samuel Joseph it seems he was a Judge at the Bronx Supreme Court at that time. By 1960 Leff's Clinic had been shut down as there were many cases of baby brokering. My interest in this case is to know who represented him and to possibly find out what the name of the attorney was (maybe one and the same) who handled all these very suspect adoptions. Thanks Gabriele (displaced NY'er in Michigan From: mizscarlettny@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:09 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] court transcripts Hi Gabriele, Try Bronx County Clerk's Office and The New York Times. Barb w/ fouled up online connection ============ I was wondering if anyone could tell me where court information would be held. This was a case that was arraigned Sept 5 1948, trial began Sept 21, 1948. Sentence was handed down Oct 1949. This trial took place in the Bronx but I am wondering where the records would be held. Bronx courts? Municipal Archives in NYC? Anyone? Gabriele -----Original Message----- From: Gabriele Harkey-Bornkessel <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:34 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] court transcripts Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where court information would be held. This was a case that was arraigned Sept 5 1948, trial began Sept 21, 1948. Sentence was handed down Oct 1949. This trial took place in the Bronx but I am wondering where the records would be held. Bronx courts? Municipal Archives in NYC? Anyone? Gabriele ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From all that I have found, this case was arraigned 3 Sep 1948 at Bronx Court / Special Sessions and held over for trial by Judge Frank A. Oliver. Trial was scheduled for 21 Sep 1948. The defendant was Dr. Morris Leff - obgyn, charged with improper record keeping and falsifying at least one birth certificate. Dr. Leff had previously ran the Central Park Hospital, aka Dr Leff's Hospital on 110th St. NYC. At this time he had his own clinic, Dr. Leff's Maternity Hospital which was located on the Grand Concourse in the Bronx. The NY Times ran another article on 26 Jan 1949 handing down sentence. (found guilty). According to the New York Times, he was sentenced by Judge Samuel Joseph. From information I have found about Samuel Joseph it seems he was a Judge at the Bronx Supreme Court at that time. By 1960 Leff's Clinic had been shut down as there were many cases of baby brokering. My interest in this case is to know who represented him and to possibly find out what the name of the attorney was (maybe one and the same) who handled all these very suspect adoptions. Thanks Gabriele (displaced NY'er in Michigan From: mizscarlettny@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:09 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] court transcripts Hi Gabriele, Try Bronx County Clerk's Office and The New York Times. Barb w/ fouled up online connection ============ I was wondering if anyone could tell me where court information would be held. This was a case that was arraigned Sept 5 1948, trial began Sept 21, 1948. Sentence was handed down Oct 1949. This trial took place in the Bronx but I am wondering where the records would be held. Bronx courts? Municipal Archives in NYC? Anyone? Gabriele -----Original Message----- From: Gabriele Harkey-Bornkessel <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:34 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] court transcripts Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where court information would be held. This was a case that was arraigned Sept 5 1948, trial began Sept 21, 1948. Sentence was handed down Oct 1949. This trial took place in the Bronx but I am wondering where the records would be held. Bronx courts? Municipal Archives in NYC? Anyone? Gabriele ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope that the folks on this list might have some opinions on the following that they'd be willing to share with me. My husband's great grandparents, Isidor Alexander and Jeannette (Bloch) Weiller had 8 living children in 1900 according to census information. Four of their children were born in France, the others in New York City. The four born in New York were Regina in 1881, Alfred in 1884 and twins named Frederick and Annie born in 1887. I have not been able to find a birth record for Alfred or the twins but this evening, I stumbled upon IGI birth records for twins, Frederich and Anne Alexander born 07 Aug. 1887 in Manhattan to parents Philip Alexander and Rose Block. Isidor's first name has shown up as William, Theodore, and Merdore on census records and on his son's marriage record. Jeannette's first, maiden and last names have shown up as Jennet, Jeanette, Jenny, Weiler, Waller, Block and Ploch! (Jenny Ploch on her daughter's birth record.) Given all of this, what are the chances that the parents' names on the IGI record above are incorrect? It does seem a bit of astretch as I can't imagine where the names Philip and Rose would have come from. Would appreciate your thoughts. Ellen Alexander Jacksonville, FL

You might want to try: http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/ Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Kiersh" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] SNOUCH FAMILY Lilly, You went all out for Peter, and all you're suggestions and searches were excellent. Just one bit of information. In the LDS Family Search website, it's not necessary to scroll down to prototype. If you open the Search tab at the top, all you need to do is click on Pilot Search. Same thing. Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL

Hi Gabriele, Try Bronx County Clerk's Office and The New York Times. Barb w/ fouled up online connection ============ I was wondering if anyone could tell me where court information would be held. This was a case that was arraigned Sept 5 1948, trial began Sept 21, 1948. Sentence was handed down Oct 1949. This trial took place in the Bronx but I am wondering where the records would be held. Bronx courts? Municipal Archives in NYC? Anyone? Gabriele -----Original Message----- From: Gabriele Harkey-Bornkessel <ngharkey@sbcglobal.net> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:34 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] court transcripts Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where court information would be held. This was a case that was arraigned Sept 5 1948, trial began Sept 21, 1948. Sentence was handed down Oct 1949. This trial took place in the Bronx but I am wondering where the records would be held. Bronx courts? Municipal Archives in NYC? Anyone? Gabriele ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Court records are usually filed in the County Clerk's Office of the county in which the action was commenced and are open to the public (only exceptions are divorce and Family Court records) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabriele Harkey-Bornkessel To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] court transcripts Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where court information would be held. This was a case that was arraigned Sept 5 1948, trial began Sept 21, 1948. Sentence was handed down Oct 1949. This trial took place in the Bronx but I am wondering where the records would be held. Bronx courts? Municipal Archives in NYC? Anyone? Gabriele ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message