I am researching the marriage of my g. grandfather, Jacob Hauck, who was born in Bavaria in 1838. My grandmother, Charlotta, was born in New York in 1867. Thank you for any assistance. Audrey

Thank you Jerry. I don't think this is my family, unless it is something I have yet to uncover. I appreciate your help, you never know where it might lead. Liz > From: Bluchp56@aol.com > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 04:05:27 -0400 > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] HEINE family arrives in America (results after looking into only one ship's list > > _http://www.immigrantships.net/v3/1800v3/orpheus18570105.html_ > (http://www.immigrantships.net/v3/1800v3/orpheus18570105.html) > > HEINE family found (see # 223 -231) > > _http://www.surnameweb.org/Hein/queries.htm_ > (http://www.surnameweb.org/Hein/queries.htm) > > (especially the last entries on this particular page) > > Hope this helps you find the > information you seek. Jerry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

_http://www.immigrantships.net/v3/1800v3/orpheus18570105.html_ (http://www.immigrantships.net/v3/1800v3/orpheus18570105.html) HEINE family found (see # 223 -231) _http://www.surnameweb.org/Hein/queries.htm_ (http://www.surnameweb.org/Hein/queries.htm) (especially the last entries on this particular page) Hope this helps you find the information you seek. Jerry

What were the names and birthyears of the other children? I found a missing ancestor in 1900 by searching for the neighbors in the 1910 census. ----- Original Message ----- From: <knowltonew@earthlink.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Augustus R. Wilkins 1900 census >I have been researching the Wilkins family of NYC for many years and have >my research on line at > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=winspeare > > Up to this point I have been unable to find Augustus (ca. 1843-1905) and > his wife Emeline B. Groshon Wilkins (ca. 1850-1924) on the 1900 census. I > have not located their youngest son, Jacob R. Wilkins (b. ca. 1878), > either and believe he may still have been living at home. These Wilkinses > were born and died in Manhattan; and I have found them on every other > census, so it is most frustrating to be missing the information from 1900. > Believe me, I have used every technique in the book in my search (24 years > of experience), but I would be delighted to be "shown up" by any one of > you. > > Augustus was a policeman, and his family had been in New York for many > generations. > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been researching the Wilkins family of NYC for many years and have my research on line at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=winspeare Up to this point I have been unable to find Augustus (ca. 1843-1905) and his wife Emeline B. Groshon Wilkins (ca. 1850-1924) on the 1900 census. I have not located their youngest son, Jacob R. Wilkins (b. ca. 1878), either and believe he may still have been living at home. These Wilkinses were born and died in Manhattan; and I have found them on every other census, so it is most frustrating to be missing the information from 1900. Believe me, I have used every technique in the book in my search (24 years of experience), but I would be delighted to be "shown up" by any one of you. Augustus was a policeman, and his family had been in New York for many generations. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Bobbi, thanks for your response. It was a 1944 newspaper obituary that probably was given by her husband who survived her. Thanks again. Rick

Hi Rick, Who wrote the obit? Was it the widower or someone else? If the husband died first, it is anyone's guess if the information is correct. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick & Evvy White" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Finch/Van Valkenburg marriage > Thank you for your response and the information you provided. The > obituary > for Pearl B. Van Valkenburg stated they were married in NYC on May 2, > 1929. > The obituary could have been wrong. I'll keep searching. Thanks again. > Rick

Thank you for your response and the information you provided. The obituary for Pearl B. Van Valkenburg stated they were married in NYC on May 2, 1929. The obituary could have been wrong. I'll keep searching. Thanks again. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "theclown16" <theclown16@optonline.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Finch/Van Valkenburg marriage > 1930 United States Federal Census > 1930s > > > Name: D Wheeler Finch > Spouse: Pearl > Birth: abt 1882 - New York > Residence: 1930 - Herkimer, Herkimer, New York > > 1920 United States Federal Census > 1920s > > > Preview > Name: D Wheeler Finch > Home in 1920: Binghamton Ward 11, Broome, New York > Age: 36 > Estimated birth year: abt 1884 > Birthplace: New York > Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) > Spouse's name: Anna W > Father's Birth Place: New York > Mother's Birth Place: New York > Marital Status: Married > Race: White > Sex: Male > Home owned: Rent > Able to read: Yes > Able to Write: Yes > Household Members: > Name Age > D Wheeler Finch 36 > Anna W Finch 45 > Millard W Finch 15 > Martha K Finch 13 > Frank Metrangelo 27 > > > Name: D Wheeler Finch > Spouse: Anna W > Birth: abt 1884 - New York > Residence: 1920 - Binghamton Ward 11, Broome, New York > > 1930 United States Federal Census > 1930s > > > Name: D W Firnch > [D W Finch] > Spouse: Anna > Birth: abt 1883 - New York > Residence: 1910 - Tompkins, Delaware, New York > > 1920 United States Federal Census > 1920s > > > > theclown16 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.davidandcarole.info/RAOKMarieHeine.htm I clicked my way there, hope the link works. Or click for some here: http://www.davidandcarole.info/1931%20Oath%20of%20Allegiance%20Marie%20Heine%20%20US%20District%20Court%20Southern%20District%20New%20York%20June%2022,1931.jpg http://www.davidandcarole.info/1931%20Oath%20of%20Allegiance%20Marie%20Heine%20%20US%20District%20Court%20Southern%20District%20New%20York%20June%2022,1931.jpg These are 2 of the 6 I found to link properly. Gabriele From: CD Family Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:07 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization Liz, I am sorry. I will have it working shortly. Will let you know. David -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:07 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization Hi david, i appreciate your help. I tried the website and I am getting a "Page cannot be found". I tried retyping in the address, but it doesn't come up. If I just type in www.davidandcarole.info I get to your webpage, but I can't ind the infor for Marie Heine on your RAOK page. I would love to see this. Thanks, Liz > From: cdfamily@davidandcarole.info > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nynewyor@rootsweb.com; > nysuffol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:36:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > > Marie, > > I found on Footnote a Declaration of Intention and Petition of > Maturation for Marie Heine in addition to some other addition. > > I have uploaded the information to my website at: > www.davidandcarole.info\RAOKMarieHeine.htm > > They were found at both the Southern District and Eastern District in > New York. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:52 PM > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; > nysuffol@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I found a Suffolk Cty naturalization for Marie Heine. Can I get this > info from NARA or do I have to go to Suffolk Cty? > > > > Liz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAG > L:ON:W > L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liz, I am sorry. I will have it working shortly. Will let you know. David -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:07 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization Hi david, i appreciate your help. I tried the website and I am getting a "Page cannot be found". I tried retyping in the address, but it doesn't come up. If I just type in www.davidandcarole.info I get to your webpage, but I can't ind the infor for Marie Heine on your RAOK page. I would love to see this. Thanks, Liz > From: cdfamily@davidandcarole.info > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nynewyor@rootsweb.com; > nysuffol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:36:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > > Marie, > > I found on Footnote a Declaration of Intention and Petition of > Maturation for Marie Heine in addition to some other addition. > > I have uploaded the information to my website at: > www.davidandcarole.info\RAOKMarieHeine.htm > > They were found at both the Southern District and Eastern District in > New York. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:52 PM > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; > nysuffol@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I found a Suffolk Cty naturalization for Marie Heine. Can I get this > info from NARA or do I have to go to Suffolk Cty? > > > > Liz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAG > L:ON:W > L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, Kathleen, et al., Oheka Castle is in the Hamlet of West Hills ("Huntington, NY 11743" mailing address) in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County. It is important to understand that West Hills is one of those many villages and hamlets on Long Island where none of the places in the community have the hamlet name in their mailing address. The pertinent geography: West Hills is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the southwest part of the Town of Huntington, in the northwest part of Suffolk County, along the Huntington/Oyster Bay town line and Nassau/Suffolk county line. There are 4 villages (municipal corporations) and 15 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Huntington. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of West Hills in the Town of Huntington is bordered on the north by the Hamlet of Cold Spring Harbor and the Hamlet of Huntington Station; on the east by the Hamlet of Huntington Station, the Hamlet of South Huntington and the Hamlet of Melville; on the south by the Hamlet of Melville; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Woodbury in the Town of Oyster Bay, Nassau County (the Huntington/Oyster Bay town line and the Suffolk/Nassau county line). For a map of the Hamlet of West Hills: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/West-hills-ny-map.gif And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 32 villages and 125 hamlets), the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have much different borders: In this case, there is no "West Hills, NY" ZIP Code postal zone and hence there are no places with a "West Hills, NY" mailing address. Places in the Hamlet of West Hills have a "Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724", "Huntington, NY 11743", "Huntington Station, NY 11746" and "Melville, NY 11747" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2009 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of West Hills in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 16 (map) and 17 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, NY & Jericho, NY . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located. </HTML>

It is called perspective... avoides redundancy from saying the same thing. ... Guys, PLEASE do not include the entire thread in your replies. We who get Digest have to scroll through 50 pgs of stuff to get to last message.

Peter, I grew up in the next town from where the Oheka castle was built. Otto H. Kahn and family were very wealthy and well known on the 'gold coast' (north shore) of Long Island, NY, about 100 years ago. He built Oheka castle in the Woodbury area and I think it is still within the top 3 for largest residences ever built in the US. Long story short, it is now a hotel and a venue for weddings, etc., and still breathtaking. I would say that your Otto C. Kahn is probably part of this family. I would do a 'google' search and see what you can find. I hope this information helps. Kathleen, Connecticut Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:36:55 +0000 (UTC) From: "Peter Metcalfe" <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] kahn Hi All I am seeking information on a Kahn family who lived in New York. Below is all the info I have on them at present. I would be pleased to hear from anyone who knows or is related to this family. It looks as though they were quite distinguished. Regards Peter Flint, Flintshire, N Wales, UK Miss Sara Evans to Wed Otto C Kahn (The New York Times, 22nd June 1909) Mr and Mrs J Wood Evans of Pendre, Flint, Flintshire, N Wales, UK, announce the engagement of their daughter, Miss Sara Olive Evans, to Otto Charles Kahn, son of Dr and Mrs Thomas Kahn of New York. Mr Kahn is head of the transfer department of the Union Pacific Railroad. The marriage will take place soon at Flint, and after a trip abroad Mr Kahn and his bride will come to this country and spend the remainder of the Summer at Dr Kahn&#8217;s Summer home, at Lawrence, L. I. New York Times 19th December 1921 KAHN &#8211; On Dec 18, 1921, at her residence, 59 East 72nd Street, Isabella, widow of Dr Herman Kahn, and beloved mother of Clara K Stein, Joseph H Kahn, Otto Charles Kahn, Eugene W Kahn and William B Kahn. Funeral Tuesday morning, Dec 20, 11 o&#8217;clock. Flint Parish Church 30th June 1909 by banns Otto Charles Kahn &#8211; 34 &#8211; ba &#8211; Departmental Manager of Union Pacific Railway &#8211; Flint &#8211; Herman Kahn &#8211; Physician Sarah Olive Evans &#8211; 25 &#8211; sp &#8211; Flint &#8211; Joseph Wood Massey Evans &#8211; Merchant Witnesses: Nina Evans, J Wm Evans, Jacob --------, Annie M Evans Flintshire County Herald 18th April 1913 Page 5 Col 5 PENDING MARRIAGE We are informed that the marriage will shortly take place between Miss Mai Evans, second daughter of Ald and Mrs J W M Evans, Pendre, Flint, and Mr J H Kahn, of Moffel Bay, South Africa, who is a brother of Mr Otto Kahn, of New York, who married Miss Evans&#8217;s sister three years ago. The prospective bridegroom fought for the English in the South African Campaign. The wedding will take place at Flint. Flint Parish Church 30th April 1913 by Licence Joseph Henry Kahn &#8211; 39 &#8211; ba &#8211; Merchant &#8211; Flint &#8211; Herman Kahn &#8211; Physician Mai Evans &#8211; 31 &#8211; sp &#8211; Flint - Joseph Wood Massey Evans &#8211; Merchant Witnesses: Ehev ? Evans, Annie M Evans, Nina Evans, Jos Wm Evans In 1946 Mrs Otto Kahn visited her family in Flint.

Guys, PLEASE do not include the entire thread in your replies. We who get Digest have to scroll through 50 pgs of stuff to get to last message. Thanks. Elizabet

Hi david, i appreciate your help. I tried the website and I am getting a "Page cannot be found". I tried retyping in the address, but it doesn't come up. If I just type in www.davidandcarole.info I get to your webpage, but I can't ind the infor for Marie Heine on your RAOK page. I would love to see this. Thanks, Liz > From: cdfamily@davidandcarole.info > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nynewyor@rootsweb.com; nysuffol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:36:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > > Marie, > > I found on Footnote a Declaration of Intention and Petition of Maturation > for Marie Heine in addition to some other addition. > > I have uploaded the information to my website at: > www.davidandcarole.info\RAOKMarieHeine.htm > > They were found at both the Southern District and Eastern District in New > York. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:52 PM > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nysuffol@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I found a Suffolk Cty naturalization for Marie Heine. Can I get this info > from NARA or do I have to go to Suffolk Cty? > > > > Liz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W > L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

I got the death information from NYC Vital Records via http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml Sent from my iPhone

1930 United States Federal Census 1930s Name: D Wheeler Finch Spouse: Pearl Birth: abt 1882 - New York Residence: 1930 - Herkimer, Herkimer, New York 1920 United States Federal Census 1920s Preview Name: D Wheeler Finch Home in 1920: Binghamton Ward 11, Broome, New York Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1884 Birthplace: New York Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Spouse's name: Anna W Father's Birth Place: New York Mother's Birth Place: New York Marital Status: Married Race: White Sex: Male Home owned: Rent Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Household Members: Name Age D Wheeler Finch 36 Anna W Finch 45 Millard W Finch 15 Martha K Finch 13 Frank Metrangelo 27 Name: D Wheeler Finch Spouse: Anna W Birth: abt 1884 - New York Residence: 1920 - Binghamton Ward 11, Broome, New York 1930 United States Federal Census 1930s Name: D W Firnch [D W Finch] Spouse: Anna Birth: abt 1883 - New York Residence: 1910 - Tompkins, Delaware, New York 1920 United States Federal Census 1920s theclown16

looks like Pearl lived with her father until his death and married after that. 1920 United States Federal Census about Perl Van Valkenburgh Name: Perl Van Valkenburgh [Pearl Van Valkenburgh] Home in 1920: Warren, Herkimer, New York Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1899 Birthplace: New York Relation to Head of House: Daughter Father's Name: Lewis H Father's Birth Place: New York Mother's Birth Place: New York Marital Status: Single Race: White Sex: Female Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age Lewis H Van Valkenburgh 80 Perl Van Valkenburgh 21 Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Warren, Herkimer, New York; Roll T625_1115; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 48; Image: 622. theclown16

Rick: Found them in Herkimer, Herkimer county, NY in 1930 census married abt one year. Have you looked in Herkimer county? Why do you think marriage was in NYC? theclown16

Hi Charles, See Anne Brown's response below. I've cut and paste for your convenience. >> The 1829 city directory lists three Popes: a grocer, a rigger, and >> a carpenter. Concentrate on the carpenter, since he is Charles >> Pope, 216 Duane St. Carpenters made coffins, of course, so >> being a sexton was a fitting sideline. The 1833 Hooker and 1834 >> Burr >> maps show a Methodist church on Duane between Hudson and >> Greenwich. If the street numbers haven't changed much, that's >> right near #216. >> >> In her disussion of the Bedford St. M.E. Cem & Vaults, Carolee >> mentions Bedford being absorbed by another church, which you >> could contact if you believe Mr. Perry lived near Duane Street: >> Metropolitan-Duane United Methodist Church >> 201 West 13th Street >> NY NY 10011-7795 >> 212-243-5740 Thanks to everyone who replied in the last 2 days. They've really helped me narrowed down to finding the gravesite. Now I just need to make some personal calls or emails or letters, whatever it takes! Angela On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:00 AM, nyc-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Naturalization (Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson) > 2. Re: Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? (CW Marshall) > 3. Re: Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? (Anne W. Brown) > 4. Re: Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? (Angela Munro) > 5. Re: Naturalization (CD Family) > 6. Re: Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? (Rdpiet@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:51:57 -0400 > From: Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson <cosette.58@hotmail.com> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > To: "nynewyor@rootsweb.com" <nynewyor@rootsweb.com>, > "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>, > "nysuffol@rootsweb.com" <nysuffol@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL110-W5824CDA98E1A23D587D45093C90@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I found a Suffolk Cty naturalization for Marie Heine. Can I get this > info from NARA or do I have to go to Suffolk Cty? > > > > Liz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from > your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:29:47 -0700 > From: CW Marshall <marshallcw80@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4c278a90.17188f0a.4b8e.ffff98bc@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > C. Pope is more than likely the name of the sexton, the man in charge > of the cemetery, including recording burials in their records. If > you can't nail down the exact cemetery name and location, this name > and occupation could be a very helpful clue. Use this to try and > locate him in old city directories, anything you can find after 1832 > or maybe even in census returns (maybe even tax or marriage > records?), anything that might list his occupation around this 1832 > timeframe. If you can figure out where C. Pope lived, the odds would > be pretty good that he lived close to the cemetery if not on the > actual grounds so he could keep an eye on things and manage the > cemetery affairs. > > If you find this cemetery in uptown Manhattan above where Central > Park is today (especially if it's in the Harlem area) and the ME > church is nearby or on the same grounds, please let us know. This > might even help me too. Thanks. > > -Charles Marshall > > > At 12:00 AM 6/27/2010, you wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:52:25 -0600 >> From: Angela Munro <basenjigirl@gmail.com> >> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? >> To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >> >> Hi, I just got a copy of the death information for a relative and the >> column titled "Cemetery" it says "Methodist Episcopal". I did a >> search online for a Methodist Episcopal Cemetery but couldn't narrow >> it down to NYC. There were other Methodist Episcopal cemeteries but >> they were all over the place in other states. Was this an actual >> name of the cemetery? Was this name changed either to or from >> Methodist Episcopal? The relative that I'm looking for is Robert >> Perry who died 19 Feb 1832 in New York City. There's also another >> column next to Cemetery that is titled either "Section" or "Sexton" >> and that says "E. or C. Pope". Was that a name of a person or the >> section of the cemetery? >> >> Thanks >> Angela > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:00:41 -0400 > From: "Anne W. Brown" <awb@chesapeake.net> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? > To: basenjigirl@gmail.com > Cc: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <01DA1D1B061B0F00293A002004@Anne> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Dear Angela, > > Franklin Street is only three blocks north of Duane, so I would > definitely concentrate on that area. Anne > > ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- > From: "Angela Munro" <basenjigirl@gmail.com> > To: awb@chesapeake.net > Received: 6/27/2010 9:47:36 AM > Subject: Re: NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 149 > > >> Thanks so much Anne! I will look into your suggestions. According >> to >> this death information, he lived on Franklin St at the time of his >> death. Any other suggestions? > >> Angela >> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Anne W. Brown wrote: > >>> >>> Dear Angela, >>> >>> Carolee Inskeep's "Graveyard Shift" lists about a dozen Methodist >> >>> Episcopal churches and cemeteries on Manhatan, so it would be >> worth >>> your getting the book. Many didn't have their own burial grounds >>> and jointly used a cemetery - now long gone - that was in the >> block >>> between 1st, 2nd, !st Av , and 2nd Av. After the final earthen >>> burial ban in 1851, 15,000 M.E. burials were removed to Cypress >>> Hills on Jamaica Ave., Brooklyn. They came from both the 1st St. >>> cemetery and individual church yards, so you might want to try >>> Cypress Hills. >>> >>> The 1829 city directory lists three Popes: a grocer, a rigger, and >>> a carpenter. Concentrate on the carpenter, since he is Charles >>> Pope, 216 Duane St. Carpenters made coffins, of course, so >> being a >>> sexton was a fitting sideline. The 1833 Hooker and 1834 Burr >> maps >>> show a Methodist church on Duane between Hudson and >> Greenwich. If >>> the street numbers haven't changed much, that's right near #216. >>> >>> In her disussion of the Bedford St. M.E. Cem & Vaults, Carolee >>> mentions Bedford being absorbed by another church, which you >> could >>> contact if you believe Mr. Perry lived near Duane Street: >>> Metropolitan-Duane United Methodist Church >>> 201 West 13th Street >>> NY NY 10011-7795 >>> 212-243-5740 >>> >>> Good luck with your search - Anne >>> * * * * * * * * >>> Anne W. Brown, Trustee >>> New York Marble Cemetery >>> www.marblecemetery.org >>> usually open 4th Sundays in nice weather >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, I just got a copy of the death information for a relative and >> the >>>> column titled "Cemetery" it says "Methodist Episcopal". I did a >>>> search online for a Methodist Episcopal Cemetery but couldn't >>>> narrow >>>> it down to NYC. There were other Methodist Episcopal >> cemeteries >>>> but >>>> they were all over the place in other states. Was this an actual >>>> name of the cemetery? Was this name changed either to or >> from >>>> Methodist Episcopal? The relative that I'm looking for is Robert >>>> Perry who died 19 Feb 1832 in New York City. There's also >> another >>>> column next to Cemetery that is titled either "Section" or >> "Sexton" >>>> and that says "E. or C. Pope". Was that a name of a person or >> the >>>> section of the cemetery? >>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Angela >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:56:54 -0600 > From: Angela Munro <basenjigirl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? > To: awb@chesapeake.net > Cc: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8AE73801-9C2D-475A-9DFA-ECC951A7D304@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Anne, > > Some additional questions for you. In the 1830's, was it typical for > people in NYC to be buried near (or the nearest) cemetery to their > home? What's the benefit of knowing the sexton's name? > > I sent an email to both the Cypress Hills and Greenwood cemeteries. > Hopefully they'll be able to tell me something. I will call the > Metropolitan-Duane Methodist church tomorrow. > > Thanks > Angela > On Jun 27, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Anne W. Brown wrote: > >> Dear Angela, >> >> Franklin Street is only three blocks north of Duane, so I would >> definitely concentrate on that area. Anne >> >> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- >> From: "Angela Munro" <basenjigirl@gmail.com> >> To: awb@chesapeake.net >> Received: 6/27/2010 9:47:36 AM >> Subject: Re: NYC-ROOTS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 149 >> >> >>> Thanks so much Anne! I will look into your suggestions. According >>> to >>> this death information, he lived on Franklin St at the time of his >>> death. Any other suggestions? >> >>> Angela >>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Anne W. Brown wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Dear Angela, >>>> >>>> Carolee Inskeep's "Graveyard Shift" lists about a dozen Methodist >>> >>>> Episcopal churches and cemeteries on Manhatan, so it would be >>> worth >>>> your getting the book. Many didn't have their own burial grounds >>>> and jointly used a cemetery - now long gone - that was in the >>> block >>>> between 1st, 2nd, !st Av , and 2nd Av. After the final earthen >>>> burial ban in 1851, 15,000 M.E. burials were removed to Cypress >>>> Hills on Jamaica Ave., Brooklyn. They came from both the 1st St. >>>> cemetery and individual church yards, so you might want to try >>>> Cypress Hills. >>>> >>>> The 1829 city directory lists three Popes: a grocer, a rigger, and >>>> a carpenter. Concentrate on the carpenter, since he is Charles >>>> Pope, 216 Duane St. Carpenters made coffins, of course, so >>> being a >>>> sexton was a fitting sideline. The 1833 Hooker and 1834 Burr >>> maps >>>> show a Methodist church on Duane between Hudson and >>> Greenwich. If >>>> the street numbers haven't changed much, that's right near #216. >>>> >>>> In her disussion of the Bedford St. M.E. Cem & Vaults, Carolee >>>> mentions Bedford being absorbed by another church, which you >>> could >>>> contact if you believe Mr. Perry lived near Duane Street: >>>> Metropolitan-Duane United Methodist Church >>>> 201 West 13th Street >>>> NY NY 10011-7795 >>>> 212-243-5740 >>>> >>>> Good luck with your search - Anne >>>> * * * * * * * * >>>> Anne W. Brown, Trustee >>>> New York Marble Cemetery >>>> www.marblecemetery.org >>>> usually open 4th Sundays in nice weather >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, I just got a copy of the death information for a relative and >>> the >>>>> column titled "Cemetery" it says "Methodist Episcopal". I did a >>>>> search online for a Methodist Episcopal Cemetery but couldn't >>>>> narrow >>>>> it down to NYC. There were other Methodist Episcopal >>> cemeteries >>>>> but >>>>> they were all over the place in other states. Was this an actual >>>>> name of the cemetery? Was this name changed either to or >>> from >>>>> Methodist Episcopal? The relative that I'm looking for is Robert >>>>> Perry who died 19 Feb 1832 in New York City. There's also >>> another >>>>> column next to Cemetery that is titled either "Section" or >>> "Sexton" >>>>> and that says "E. or C. Pope". Was that a name of a person or >>> the >>>>> section of the cemetery? >>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Angela >>>> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:36:55 -0400 > From: "CD Family" <cdfamily@davidandcarole.info> > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>, <nynewyor@rootsweb.com>, > <nysuffol@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001cb1651$a0ea9000$e2bfb000$@davidandcarole.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Marie, > > I found on Footnote a Declaration of Intention and Petition of > Maturation > for Marie Heine in addition to some other addition. > > I have uploaded the information to my website at: > www.davidandcarole.info\RAOKMarieHeine.htm > > They were found at both the Southern District and Eastern District > in New > York. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:52 PM > To: nynewyor@rootsweb.com; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nysuffol@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Naturalization > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I found a Suffolk Cty naturalization for Marie Heine. Can I get this > info > from NARA or do I have to go to Suffolk Cty? > > > > Liz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from > your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W > L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:23:52 EDT > From: Rdpiet@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Methodist Episcopal Cemetery? > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <918d3.61883d11.39594598@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > you are a miracle worker if you got information on a > relative > from 1832. 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