I think it's $27 if you have the SS number. Loreen Wells On 10-08-03 12:26 PM, Kim Hawkins wrote: > you could try ordering her SS application if you cant find an obit. I forget > how much it is to order one but it should list the names of her parents on it. > Kim > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson<cosette.58@hotmail.com> > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com"<nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 2:24:20 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? > > > Thank you. I will search for obits. > > Liz > > >> From: dennybok@aol.com >> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:26:06 -0400 >> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nybronx@rootsweb.com; nynassau@rootsweb.com; >> nynewyor@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? >> >> >> Bertha Hanover was married to Albert who passed in >> 1987........what you need is either Albert''s or Bertha's obituary to >> confirm/deny your suspicions: >> >> sugest you try newsday archives on line at >> >> _http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html_ >> (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html) >> >> ALBERT HANOVER 29 Dec 1910 Aug 1987 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

there is a family tree on ancestry for brother Albert..it says that his mother was Margaret Langton..no other info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Carroll" <marginal22@verizon.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl Staten Island N.Y. > Hi Everyone, I am so frustrated, My Grandfather was born in Staten Island > N.Y, March 4, 1912, but his Military papers say BD is March 6, 1913 his > name was Norman Anthony Buhl, his Parents died ( year unknown) and his > siblings put him in a Orphanage, We do not know any siblings names or his > parents names, I am trying to find the orphanage he was put in and maybe > can find out his parents or siblings names, don't know when he left the > orphanage, enlisted in the Navy in 02/1945 vessels and stations served on > NTC Sampson, N.Y and RS Shoemaker, Calif.was married to Margaret (Lewis) > Buhl, lived in Philadelphia when enlisted, was a Philadelphia police > officer 1940 to 1944, He never talked about his Parents or Siblings, my > mother only knows that he was very Bitter about being put in an Orphanage. > I just don't know where to start, I have tried looking up Catholic > orphanages he may have been put in and can not find his name anywhere. > any help would be greatly appreciated > Thank You, Jackie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you want to track Anthpny's siblings use the vital records sectipn on _http://www.stevemorse.org/_ (http://www.stevemorse.org/)

Parents married in Richmond in 1898. No obituary fpr either of them in NY Times. Good luck. Langton Margaret Sep 10 1898 236 (1898) Richmond _groom_ (http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages.php?host=www.italiangen.org&CertNbr=2 36&StartYear=1898&EndYear=1898&County=Richmond&index=groom&pgsz=1) 1685119

grandfather's name was also Anthony Buhl, wife henrietta, all listed in 1880 census Staten Island. several children including Normans's father Anthony and aunt Emma... 1880 census is available free on Ancestry and familysearch.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Carroll" <marginal22@verizon.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl Staten Island N.Y. > Hi Everyone, I am so frustrated, My Grandfather was born in Staten Island > N.Y, March 4, 1912, but his Military papers say BD is March 6, 1913 his > name was Norman Anthony Buhl, his Parents died ( year unknown) and his > siblings put him in a Orphanage, We do not know any siblings names or his > parents names, I am trying to find the orphanage he was put in and maybe > can find out his parents or siblings names, don't know when he left the > orphanage, enlisted in the Navy in 02/1945 vessels and stations served on > NTC Sampson, N.Y and RS Shoemaker, Calif.was married to Margaret (Lewis) > Buhl, lived in Philadelphia when enlisted, was a Philadelphia police > officer 1940 to 1944, He never talked about his Parents or Siblings, my > mother only knows that he was very Bitter about being put in an Orphanage. > I just don't know where to start, I have tried looking up Catholic > orphanages he may have been put in and can not find his name anywhere. > any help would be greatly appreciated > Thank You, Jackie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This family is listed in the 1920 census in Richmond (Staten Island), NY in a household headed by Margaret Buhl. Sibling names are listed. Siblings are Anthony, Albert, Edward, Rose, and Rita Margaret Buhl died Jan 13, 1922, age 40, in Richmond, Staten Island, certificate #85 (1922), FHL #2200687 There may have been another sibling, Margaret B. Buhl, who died at age 1 on Jan 2 1907 in Richmond Staten Island, certificate #13 (1907), FHL #1322800 or 01. You can order these copies of these records through a Family History Center request at $2 each. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Carroll <marginal22@verizon.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 8:15 pm Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl Staten Island N.Y. Hi Everyone, I am so frustrated, My Grandfather was born in Staten Island N.Y, arch 4, 1912, but his Military papers say BD is March 6, 1913 his name was orman Anthony Buhl, his Parents died ( year unknown) and his siblings put him n a Orphanage, We do not know any siblings names or his parents names, I am rying to find the orphanage he was put in and maybe can find out his parents or iblings names, don't know when he left the orphanage, enlisted in the Navy in 2/1945 vessels and stations served on NTC Sampson, N.Y and RS Shoemaker, alif.was married to Margaret (Lewis) Buhl, lived in Philadelphia when enlisted, as a Philadelphia police officer 1940 to 1944, He never talked about his arents or Siblings, my mother only knows that he was very Bitter about being ut in an Orphanage. just don't know where to start, I have tried looking up Catholic orphanages he ay have been put in and can not find his name anywhere. ny help would be greatly appreciated hank You, Jackie ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

father died in 1921 Buhl Anthony 42 y Nov 19 1921 26326 (1921) Manhattan 1878 - 1879 2027764 Mother passed in 1922 Buhl Margaret 40 y Jan 13 1922 85 (1922) Richmond 1881 - 1882 2200687 U can get the death certificates from the lDS church in Utah fpr fpur dollars. Hi Everyone, I am so frustrated, My Grandfather was born in Staten Island N.Y, March 4, 1912, but his Military papers say BD is March 6, 1913 his name was Norman Anthony Buhl, his Parents died ( year unknown) and his siblings put him in a Orphanage, We do not know any siblings names or his parents names, I am trying to find the orphanage he was put in and maybe can find out his parents or siblings names, don't know when he left the orphanage, enlisted in the Navy in 02/1945 vessels and stations served on NTC Sampson, N.Y and RS Shoemaker, Calif.was married to Margaret (Lewis) Buhl, lived in Philadelphia when enlisted, was a Philadelphia police officer 1940 to 1944, He never talked about his Parents or Siblings, my mother only knows that he was very Bitter about being put in an Orphanage. I just don't know where to start, I have tried looking up Catholic orphanages he may have been put in and can not find his name anywhere. any help would be greatly appreciated Thank You, Jackie

go to fulton history.com, search first "buhl of staten" you will find an article about norman's aunt Emma's death. It mentions an Albert as Norman's brother. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Carroll" <marginal22@verizon.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl Staten Island N.Y. > Hi Everyone, I am so frustrated, My Grandfather was born in Staten Island > N.Y, March 4, 1912, but his Military papers say BD is March 6, 1913 his > name was Norman Anthony Buhl, his Parents died ( year unknown) and his > siblings put him in a Orphanage, We do not know any siblings names or his > parents names, I am trying to find the orphanage he was put in and maybe > can find out his parents or siblings names, don't know when he left the > orphanage, enlisted in the Navy in 02/1945 vessels and stations served on > NTC Sampson, N.Y and RS Shoemaker, Calif.was married to Margaret (Lewis) > Buhl, lived in Philadelphia when enlisted, was a Philadelphia police > officer 1940 to 1944, He never talked about his Parents or Siblings, my > mother only knows that he was very Bitter about being put in an Orphanage. > I just don't know where to start, I have tried looking up Catholic > orphanages he may have been put in and can not find his name anywhere. > any help would be greatly appreciated > Thank You, Jackie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have sent u the 1910 and 1920 census records. Hi Everyone, I am so frustrated, My Grandfather was born in Staten Island N.Y, March 4, 1912, but his Military papers say BD is March 6, 1913 his name was Norman Anthony Buhl, his Parents died ( year unknown) and his siblings put him in a Orphanage, We do not know any siblings names or his parents names, I am trying to find the orphanage he was put in and maybe can find out his parents or siblings names, don't know when he left the orphanage, enlisted in the Navy in 02/1945 vessels and stations served on NTC Sampson, N.Y and RS Shoemaker, Calif.was married to Margaret (Lewis) Buhl, lived in Philadelphia when enlisted, was a Philadelphia police officer 1940 to 1944, He never talked about his Parents or Siblings, my mother only knows that he was very Bitter about being put in an Orphanage. I just don't know where to start, I have tried looking up Catholic orphanages he may have been put in and can not find his name anywhere. any help would be greatly appreciated Thank You, Jackie -------------------------------

Hi Everyone, I am so frustrated, My Grandfather was born in Staten Island N.Y, March 4, 1912, but his Military papers say BD is March 6, 1913 his name was Norman Anthony Buhl, his Parents died ( year unknown) and his siblings put him in a Orphanage, We do not know any siblings names or his parents names, I am trying to find the orphanage he was put in and maybe can find out his parents or siblings names, don't know when he left the orphanage, enlisted in the Navy in 02/1945 vessels and stations served on NTC Sampson, N.Y and RS Shoemaker, Calif.was married to Margaret (Lewis) Buhl, lived in Philadelphia when enlisted, was a Philadelphia police officer 1940 to 1944, He never talked about his Parents or Siblings, my mother only knows that he was very Bitter about being put in an Orphanage. I just don't know where to start, I have tried looking up Catholic orphanages he may have been put in and can not find his name anywhere. any help would be greatly appreciated Thank You, Jackie

Thanks Kim. I will look for an obit. but since no one in my family ever had an obit (except for my mom and dad), I will probably have to order the SS applic. Liz > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:26:46 -0700 > From: khawk67@yahoo.com > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? > > you could try ordering her SS application if you cant find an obit. I forget > how much it is to order one but it should list the names of her parents on it. > Kim > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson <cosette.58@hotmail.com> > To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 2:24:20 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? > > > Thank you. I will search for obits. > > Liz > > > From: dennybok@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:26:06 -0400 > > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nybronx@rootsweb.com; nynassau@rootsweb.com; > >nynewyor@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? > > > > > > Bertha Hanover was married to Albert who passed in > > 1987........what you need is either Albert''s or Bertha's obituary to > > confirm/deny your suspicions: > > > > sugest you try newsday archives on line at > > > > _http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html_ > > (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html) > > > > ALBERT HANOVER 29 Dec 1910 Aug 1987 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > >the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last time I sent for the Ap. The charge was $27.00 that was 3 years ago. Not sure what it is now. Hope this is helpful. C

Thank you. I will search for obits. Liz > From: dennybok@aol.com > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:26:06 -0400 > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nybronx@rootsweb.com; nynassau@rootsweb.com; nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? > > > Bertha Hanover was married to Albert who passed in > 1987........what you need is either Albert''s or Bertha's obituary to > confirm/deny your suspicions: > > sugest you try newsday archives on line at > > _http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html_ > (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html) > > ALBERT HANOVER 29 Dec 1910 Aug 1987 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bertha Hanover was married to Albert who passed in 1987........what you need is either Albert''s or Bertha's obituary to confirm/deny your suspicions: sugest you try newsday archives on line at _http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html_ (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html) ALBERT HANOVER 29 Dec 1910 Aug 1987

Bertha Hanover was married to Albert who passed in 1987........what you need is either Albert''s or Bertha's obituary to confirm/deny your suspicions: sugest you try newsday archives on line at _http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html_ (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html) ALBERT HANOVER 29 Dec 1910 Aug 1987 ********************************************************************* Hi Everyone. Many of you have heard my story in searching for my grandmother. I may have found a breakthrough, so I was hoping sks might be able to do a lookup. I am working with process of elimination. My grandmother, Bertha Eliza (nee Dewar and her married name in 1953 was Hein) born July 28, 1908 in the Bronx. She divorced John F. Hein in FL in 1953 and no one has heard from her since. When one of her sons died in 1977, the other son tried to find her (even hired some private investigator in FL) without success. I have spent a number of years trying to find her too. Anyway...yesterday on GenealogyBank (somehow I got a preview search) I did an SSDI search for Bertha's born in 1908 and last place of residence in NY. Now, I don't know if that was her last place of residence (the 1953 divorce was in FL.), but she was from NY and lived in NY up until this divorce (and her entire family are NYers), so I thought I would check NY. I found a Bertha Hanover with the exact match dob (July 28, 1908) with a death date of July 28, 2005 (how ironic...she was also married to John Hein on July 28 in 1928). This was the only exact dob match in NY. Since this search has been like finding a needle in a haystack and I have tried many things, I thought I would try to find a Bertha Hanover before 1953 in NY/NJ (the SS was issued in NJ). Would sks check to see if there was a Bertha Hanover in the 1920 and 1930 census? The last address listed for Bertha Hanover on the SSDI is Floral Park, NY and the SS card was issued in NJ. If Bertha Hanover existed prior to 1953, then she would not be my grandmother. If not, this is a possible lead. I appreciate any help you can give. Thanks, =

I found Bertha and John Hein on the 1930 census living in Hempstead, Nassau, NY. Were you aware of that? I also found their Florida divorce record: John F. Hein and Bertha E 1953 Bradford County, FL. I found Bertha Dewar on the 1920 census living with her parents. She was 11 y/o. Her parents were John B. and Anna. Her father was born in California, mother in NY. They lived in Hempstead. Found her again on the 1910, 1 y/o living with her parents listed as Benjamin and Anna (possibly a middle name for her father?) siblings are Madge age 16 and a brother named John E. age 12. They lived in the Bronx. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson" <cosette.58@hotmail.com> To: <nybronx@rootsweb.com>; <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; <nynassau@rootsweb.com>; <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? > > Hi Everyone. > > Many of you have heard my story in searching for my grandmother. I may > have found a breakthrough, so I was hoping sks might be able to do a > lookup. I am working with process of elimination. My grandmother, Bertha > Eliza (nee Dewar and her married name in 1953 was Hein) born July 28, 1908 > in the Bronx. She divorced John F. Hein in FL in 1953 and no one has heard > from her since. When one of her sons died in 1977, the other son tried to > find her (even hired some private investigator in FL) without success. I > have spent a number of years trying to find her too. Anyway...yesterday on > GenealogyBank (somehow I got a preview search) I did an SSDI search for > Bertha's born in 1908 and last place of residence in NY. Now, I don't know > if that was her last place of residence (the 1953 divorce was in FL.), but > she was from NY and lived in NY up until this divorce (and her entire > family are NYers), so I thought I would check NY. > > I found a Bertha Hanover with the exact match dob (July 28, 1908) with a > death date of July 28, 2005 (how ironic...she was also married to John > Hein on July 28 in 1928). This was the only exact dob match in NY. Since > this search has been like finding a needle in a haystack and I have tried > many things, I thought I would try to find a Bertha Hanover before 1953 in > NY/NJ (the SS was issued in NJ). Would sks check to see if there was a > Bertha Hanover in the 1920 and 1930 census? The last address listed for > Bertha Hanover on the SSDI is Floral Park, NY and the SS card was issued > in NJ. If Bertha Hanover existed prior to 1953, then she would not be my > grandmother. If not, this is a possible lead. > > I appreciate any help you can give. > > Thanks, > > Liz > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In the street directory in the 1855 city directory, house numbers 295 through 341 8th St. are in the block between Ave B and Ave C on the south side of the street. Numbers begin at 6th Ave and run east to the East River. From 6th Ave east to 3rd Ave, 8th St was also called Clinton Place, an extension of the Clinton Place running east from Broadway. My GGGF, Michael Keogh/Kehoe, a tailor, might have been the resident at 369 8th St. in the 1860 census, a block over from your ancestor. He was in the 8th Division of the 11th Ward but I'm not sure where the division boundary was. Russell On Aug 3, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Jane Fouraker wrote: > After having read over 1,000 pages of the 1850 New York City 11th > Ward 1200+ pages before finding the family I was seeking, I thought > that it might be possible to get some help from this list. > > I am now looking for that same family in the 1860 Census. The name > is Andrew Heinlein and the address is 323 8th Street. Last evening > I located what the various districts in the 11th Ward cover. > What I don't know is where the address numbers begin - do they start > at the East River and head into the city or go from the city toward > the East River. > If anyone can tell me, I believe I can narrow my search to just one > or two districts. I will be most appreciative. > > Jane (mjfour@comcast.net) > > He is not in the 1860 Index, did not die until 1865, was listed in > the 1850 as "Henbran". I was able to identify him by place of > birth, age and children's names. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

you could try ordering her SS application if you cant find an obit.  I forget how much it is to order one but it should list the names of her parents on it. Kim   ----- Original Message ---- From: Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson <cosette.58@hotmail.com> To: "nyc-roots@rootsweb.com" <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 2:24:20 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? Thank you. I will search for obits. Liz > From: dennybok@aol.com > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:26:06 -0400 > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com; nybronx@rootsweb.com; nynassau@rootsweb.com; >nynewyor@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? > > > Bertha Hanover was married to Albert who passed in > 1987........what you need is either Albert''s or Bertha's obituary to > confirm/deny your suspicions: > > sugest you try newsday archives on line at > > _http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html_ > (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday/search.html) > > ALBERT HANOVER 29 Dec 1910 Aug 1987 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I checked genealogybank - couldn't locate an obit. but did find information re: SSDI. Included in this reference are cities in which she lived. (See below) You might try writing for a copy of her application. There is a Bertha Hanover in the 1930 Census in Memphis, Tennessee, but she was born in Poland. There is an Elizabeth Hanover in NY in 1930, but she was born in Germany. No Bertha Hanover in 1920 that I could find on Ancestry.com. Bertha Hanover: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record Name: Bertha Hanover Date of Birth: Tuesday July 28, 1908 Date of Death: Thursday July 28, 2005 Est. Age at death: 97 years Last known residence: City: Elmont; Alden Manor; Argo Village; Floral Park; Locustwood; Meacham County: Nassau State: New York ZIP Code: 11003 Latitude: 40.7013 Longitude: -73.7074 Confirmation: Verified Social Security details: State of Issue: New Jersey Number: 158-12-3990 -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Martinez-Gibson <cosette.58@hotmail.com> To: nybronx@rootsweb.com <nybronx@rootsweb.com>; nyc-roots@rootsweb.com <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com>; nynassau@rootsweb.com <nynassau@rootsweb.com>; nynewyor@rootsweb.com <nynewyor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 7:27 am Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Still trying to find my grandmother-can you help? Hi Everyone. Many of you have heard my story in searching for my grandmother. I may have found a breakthrough, so I was hoping sks might be able to do a lookup. I am working with process of elimination. My grandmother, Bertha Eliza (nee Dewar and her married name in 1953 was Hein) born July 28, 1908 in the Bronx. She divorced John F. Hein in FL in 1953 and no one has heard from her since. When one of her sons died in 1977, the other son tried to find her (even hired some private investigator in FL) without success. I have spent a number of years trying to find her too. Anyway...yesterday on GenealogyBank (somehow I got a preview search) I did an SSDI search for Bertha's born in 1908 and last place of residence in NY. Now, I don't know if that was her last place of residence (the 1953 divorce was in FL.), but she was from NY and lived in NY up until this divorce (and her entire family are NYers), so I thought I would check NY. I found a Bertha Hanover with the exact match dob (July 28, 1908) with a death date of July 28, 2005 (how ironic...she was also married to John Hein on July 28 in 1928). This was the only exact dob match in NY. Since this search has been like finding a needle in a haystack and I have tried many things, I thought I would try to find a Bertha Hanover before 1953 in NY/NJ (the SS was issued in NJ). Would sks check to see if there was a Bertha Hanover in the 1920 and 1930 census? The last address listed for Bertha Hanover on the SSDI is Floral Park, NY and the SS card was issued in NJ. If Bertha Hanover existed prior to 1953, then she would not be my grandmother. If not, this is a possible lead. I appreciate any help you can give. Thanks, Liz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =

think you mean 323 East 8th street....streets run east and west, avenue north to suth... is 323 8th Street