For those interested in the early Dutch - try this historical fiction: The Mevrouw Who Saved Manhattan by Bill Greer Set from 1624 -1664  Buy it from the New Netherlands Institute and it's cheaper than the online bookstores, plus it helps support NNI.  Dee in Phoenix When a person dies, a library closes. Researching: NJ: Snook, Bozarth, Dickerson, Dalton, Hicks, Asay NY: Semlear, Stoothoff, Foster, Murray, Dierks, Cairns PA: Hicks, Shaw, Roberts, Swartz/Black, Penrose Nova Scotia: Arthur, Hutt, Eisenhauer, Conrod, Morris --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Barbara Kiersh <barkie@bellsouth.net> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] nyc book recommendations To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com, NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 8:04 AM Hello lists, Two more recommendations.  I haven't read either yet, but have requested one from my library, so far.  First - Midnight Band of Mercy by Michael Blaine.  Takes place in 1893 and is supposedly remininscent of Caleb Carr's The Alienist and also his second book.  This takes place in 1893.  The second book is Murder on Lexington Avenue by Victoria Thompson and takes place in early 1900.  I've also read 31 Bond Street by Ellen Horan.  This is based on a true story and takes place before the turn of the 19th century. Enjoy. Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New York Street Directory 1931. I would appreciate very much a look up for the occupation of Arthur Clark 50 East 96 th Street NYC Annie

Hello lists, Two more recommendations. I haven't read either yet, but have requested one from my library, so far. First - Midnight Band of Mercy by Michael Blaine. Takes place in 1893 and is supposedly remininscent of Caleb Carr's The Alienist and also his second book. This takes place in 1893. The second book is Murder on Lexington Avenue by Victoria Thompson and takes place in early 1900. I've also read 31 Bond Street by Ellen Horan. This is based on a true story and takes place before the turn of the 19th century. Enjoy. Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL

Hello Robert, Since only document that you have is one Baptismal certificate, you might: l) search a Manhattan Birth Index for a civil birth record for Edward, and (2) track the names of Godparents to Edward. Also, a year by year NYC Directory search may help you track the family, and determine when John died, by Mary appearing as a widow. Both John and Mary are common names, as is SULLIVAN. What is John's occupation? The 1873 NYC Directory shows: SULLIVAN, John, smith, at 417 East 14th Street, very close to the address you have for 1871. The 1874 directory shows one John on 14th Street, a mason living at 530 East 14th Street. It does not appear that a Mary appears as his widow then. It was common for families to move down the street, to stay in the same neighborhood. You need to create a timeline of the approx births of Edward's siblings. If he was the eldest, it would be more likely that his parents married where he was baptized. But since that is not the case, try searching for the oldest sibling. I suggest you use the ages of the parents, to attempt to locate the family in the 1880, then 1870 census, as the 1880 census is easier to search, and in 1870 the census was taken twice in NY County. Creating a time line may help you make sens of what you know, not what you assume. Best wishes, Barb NYC Researcher ========================== BSULL6051@aol.com writes: > Edward F.Sullivan was born 29 January,1871 at 404 East 14th St. NYC. > I have obtained his baptismal record from the Church of the Immaculate > Conception 414 East 14th St.The only record was this baptisim. No marriage > or > other siblings baptisims. > His parents were John Sullivan and Kate Lynch. Edward's marriage > certificate lists his mother as Mary Lynch. I am assuming she is Mary Kate > Lynch. > I was unable to locate the family at 404 East 14th St. in the 1870 first > and second enumerations. NYC Directories 1869-1872 also negative. > I do not see them in the 1880 Census.

I would like to know if anybody has has any experience with USA People Search. Was there any problem cancelling 7 Day Unlimited Search Trial Membership? Thank you, Annie

Via the military records of his son, I was able to obtain the date and birthplace of my paternal grandfather: Edward F.Sullivan was born 29 January,1871 at 404 East 14th St. NYC. I have obtained his baptismal record from the Church of the Immaculate Conception 414 East 14th St.The only record was this baptisim. No marriage or other siblings baptisims. His parents were John Sullivan and Kate Lynch. Edward's marriage certificate lists his mother as Mary Lynch. I am assuming she is Mary Kate Lynch. I was unable to locate the family at 404 East 14th St. in the 1870 first and second enumerations. NYC Directories 1869-1872 also negative. I do not see them in the 1880 Census. My oldest living relative believes that my great grandparents died young and that the children were un- officially taken in by other families????? Edward had brothers Daniel and Joseph, ages unknown. Unknown if he had sisters. I think my next step would be to locate death certificates and the marriage certificate for John and Mary Kate. If I assume they died between the ages of 21 and 40 and the years 1871 to 1880, it would not be too overwhelming to send for the $2 copies from LDS Utah one year at a time. If Civil records of the marriage are not available,how or where should I start the church search? I suppose, I should start from The Immaculate Conception and branch out using the IFHF Sept. 1996 newsletter map as a guide. I read your posts daily and am amazed by your genealogical knowledge. Thank you all in advance Robert T. Sullivan

Many, many thanks to all the wonderful folks who responded to my request for reading material about the lives of immigrants in NYC. I received many excellent recommendations, and the best part is that most of these books are available through my local library here in VA. A big THANK YOU to each and every one of you! What a great list this is! Dorothy

"Banished Children of Eve" by Peter Quinn (1994) Jack Langton

Many great books have already been suggested, and I would add the wonderful CALL IT SLEEP by Henry Roth. One of my most enjoyable and enlightening reads (about immigrant life in NYC at turn of 20th cent). Maria G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Colwell" <paws6430@cox.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Book Recommendation Request > Would anyone on the list have a recommendation of a book or books, either > fiction or non-fiction, dealing with the subject of what life was like for > immigrants arriving in New York City, (or any other large city for that > matter), say between the period of 1860 thru the early 1900s. I'm > particularly interested in reading about living conditions, occupations, > any discriminations encountered, etc. > > I recently learned that several of my female ancestors were employed as > domestic servants upon their arrival from Germany, and the subject has > piqued my curiosity. > > Thanks in advance for any recommendations. > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a great book. It starts with the Irish Droids. Jerry On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:18 PM, MizScarlettNY@aol.com wrote: > My all time favorite is historical fiction titled Forever by Pete Hammil, > Brooklyn's native son, NYC newspaperman, and former escort of Jackie O. It > is the best condensed version of NYC's history and with a focus on immigrant > life. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > > > paws6430@cox.net writes: > > >> Would anyone on the list have a recommendation of a book or books, either >> fiction or non-fiction, dealing with the subject of what life was like for >> immigrants > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paradise Alley by Kevin Baker ( novel) Gotham by Wallace and Burrows- a History of NYC to 1898. It's a lot of reading but fascinating.

Have you read "How The Other Half Lives" by Jacob Riis? L -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Bert Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:21 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Book Recommendation Request I

I would also be interested in this type of book, deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Colwell" <paws6430@cox.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Book Recommendation Request > Would anyone on the list have a recommendation of a book or books, either > fiction or non-fiction, dealing with the subject of what life was like for > immigrants arriving in New York City, (or any other large city for that > matter), say between the period of 1860 thru the early 1900s. I'm > particularly interested in reading about living conditions, occupations, > any discriminations encountered, etc. > > I recently learned that several of my female ancestors were employed as > domestic servants upon their arrival from Germany, and the subject has > piqued my curiosity. > > Thanks in advance for any recommendations. > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another great one, Irene. This book focuses around the 1940s. Barb irenersalazar@comcast.net writes: > Pete Hamill also has another great NYC book, I think it's called > Downtown: > My Manhattan,

Hi Dorothy, The person who referred you to the shop at the Lower East Side Tenement Musem is right on. Check out what they have to sell. There are fabulous choices here>>> James and Michelle Nevius' book focuses on how old NYC history is reflected in present places. Love it! Other great selections to learn about how immigrants lived are Luc Sante's "Low Life" and "How the Other Half Lives" by acob Riis [with photographs]. Barb NYC Researcher ================ http://shop.tenement.org/store/search.asp?keyword=NYBooks mpaws6430@cox.net writes: > > Thanks, Barb, for your prompt response. I found this book at the library > this morning and am anxious to start it. I've read several other books > you've recommended to the list in the past and have never been > disappointed -- I'm certain I won't be disappointed this time either! > > Thanks again. > > Dorothy

Thanks for setting that straight, James. William Houston/Houstoun was a Georgia delegate to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787 as well as a member of the the Continental Congress, 1783-86. The story I learned in my History of Georgia class was that Houston spent so much time in NYC wooing Miss Bayard that he missed the signing of the Constitution in September 1787. Another version is that he declined to sign. Allegedly, he was so popular in NY the residents named a street for him (but your version makes as much or more sense). Various dates are given for Houston's death but he's said to be buried at St. Paul's Chapel in NYC. Russell New Yorker in Georgia On Aug 24, 2010, at 3:10 PM, James Nevius wrote: > Irene, > > Houston Street is named for Mary Bayard, who married William > Houstoun in > 1788. The Bayards were large landowners in the area and, presumably, > part of > Mary's dowry would have been land in that general vicinity. Houstoun > was > from Georgia and a delegate to the Continental Congress. > > The "toun" part of his name probably means "town" but the "Hous" > part is in > dispute. It may mean house, but it also may be a corruption of the > name Hugh > and thus mean "Hugh's town." > > James >

Thanks for the real explanation of HOUSTON St. And I'm getting right on amazon.com to get your book! -Irene

Pete Hamill also has another great NYC book, I think it's called Downtown: My Manhattan, though not so much about immigrants. Still, there are historical anecdotes. I recently took the Circle Tour when I was there in April and learned stuff on it I never knew, like the origin of the name Houston Street ("House Town"). The older I get the more I miss good ol' Manhattan and I can't believe my family ever gave up the rent controlled apt! Irene

Thanks, Barb, for your prompt response. I found this book at the library this morning and am anxious to start it. I've read several other books you've recommended to the list in the past and have never been disappointed -- I'm certain I won't be disappointed this time either! Thanks again. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Book Recommendation Request > My all time favorite is historical fiction titled Forever by Pete Hammil, > Brooklyn's native son, NYC newspaperman, and former escort of Jackie O. > It > is the best condensed version of NYC's history and with a focus on > immigrant > life. > > Barb > NYC Researcher > > > paws6430@cox.net writes: > > >> Would anyone on the list have a recommendation of a book or books, either >> fiction or non-fiction, dealing with the subject of what life was like >> for >> immigrants > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The New York State Census has an address index for Manhattan. So, if you Have an address near the 3 dates of the NY State Census below, you can Easily find the AD, ED, and page number and therefore easily locate the Correct microfilm that contains those addresses. Diane Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Carroll Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:18 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl Diane what do you mean when you say all reachable with an manh. address? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Jacobs" <geniediane@comcast.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl > Good luck and if you find more information from the death certificates the > NYPL at 5th & 42nd Street, Rooms 119 and 121 have a lot of good > information > Including Census records which you can't find online like the 1890 NYC > Police Census, 1905-1915 & 1925 New York State Census all searchable with > an > Address for Manh. > > Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jackie Carroll > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:00 AM > To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl > > Diane, Thank you for the reply, I would like to get the death cert for > Margaret and Anthony Buhl, and a Margaret B child, and other Buhl's, > also, > would like to find out what orphanage Norman was put in, I have the names > of > > the orphanages in Richmond but they don't list names on there website and > the emails that I sent were not answered which leads me to believe they > don't like to give this info.? I would also like to find any living > relatives on or near Staten Island, I have the death cert. Numbers and > dates > > just want to see what they died from. > thanks, Jackie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Jacobs" <geniediane@comcast.net> > To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl > > >> Jackie, >> >> What exactly are you looking for? I do research in NYC and have been >> To Chambers , NYPL and NARA in Manhattan. Let me know what records you >> Want to search and I can tell where and when to go? >> >> Diane Jacobs >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Jackie Carroll >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:56 PM >> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl >> >> Do you think I can get everything I need at 31 chambers or another site >> suggestion? >> thank you, Jackie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <JackLangton@aol.com> >> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Norman Anthony Buhl >> >> >>> Jackie, >>> >>> The LDS at 913 Rockland Ave, Staten Island is rather small, and the >>> last time I visited they were open only evenings, Tues. thru Thur. The >>> phone >>> # is 718 698-0668 >>> >>> Jack Langton >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message