Never doubt it's possible Jim. My brother and I shared the genealogy passion, and after he died suddenly I seemed to be full of new ideas and my reasoning seemed to sharpen -- and bear fruit. Was he up there consulting the shades of all those Irishmen? I won't know until I get there I guess, but it happened often enough to really get me wondering! So pay attention to your hunches, you just never know. Mary in Greece >Maybe so, Liz - but if that's the case, why haven't my own Irish >ancestors guided me into finding out where in Ireland that they came >from!? Maybe old Peter Cassidy's spirit can encourage them to send me a >message or something!? ;-D > >Jim

All Hugh Brady's : Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1800 Co. Longford Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1795 Co. Meath Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1796 Co. Meath Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1797 Co. Armagh Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1797 Co. Longford Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1797 Co. Louth Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1798 Co. Longford Church Baptism Brady Hugh 1799 Co. Meath ----- Original Message ----- From: "lamont" <theshadow8418@verizon.net> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 9 December, 2010 5:35:27 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Irish relatives contacting Annemarie I have no idea where in Ireland Hugh Brady originated. I think he arrived in Passamaquoddy, Maine in the 3rd quarter of 1832. Do you have any ideas? L For me it is the other way round, I am trying to trace the Irish ancestors in the USA, they seem to have vanished after the 1920 census. If any of you need help tracing Irish in Ireland let me know, I live here and no my way around archive-land Annemarie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For me it is the other way round, I am trying to trace the Irish ancestors in the USA, they seem to have vanished after the 1920 census. If any of you need help tracing Irish in Ireland let me know, I live here and no my way around archive-land Annemarie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Kyritsis" <mkyritsi@hol.gr> To: "NYC-Roots List" <NYC-Roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 9 December, 2010 4:44:55 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Irish relatives contacting Never doubt it's possible Jim. My brother and I shared the genealogy passion, and after he died suddenly I seemed to be full of new ideas and my reasoning seemed to sharpen -- and bear fruit. Was he up there consulting the shades of all those Irishmen? I won't know until I get there I guess, but it happened often enough to really get me wondering! So pay attention to your hunches, you just never know. Mary in Greece >Maybe so, Liz - but if that's the case, why haven't my own Irish >ancestors guided me into finding out where in Ireland that they came >from!? Maybe old Peter Cassidy's spirit can encourage them to send me a >message or something!? ;-D > >Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ellen Rebecca Donnelly was born in Ireland 1810-1815 to John and Ellen Donnelly. If she married Hugh Brady in Ireland it would have to before 1833 as her first child was born in the US. Thanks L -----Original Message----- From: nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyc-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Annemarie Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Irish relatives contacting Found loads of marriages for Ellen Donnelly's, any estimated year ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamont" <Theshadow8418@verizon.net> To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 9 December, 2010 7:37:47 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Irish relatives contacting Annemarie I know my Hugh Brady was in the US before 1833 and on Staten Island by 1840 Thanks for much for narrowing this down for me Can you search for a marriage to Ellen Donnelly? Perhaps they were married in Ireland. L ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for sharing your story....truly inspirational. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: nyc-roots <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Listowner Post Re: Cathedral With a Past; Basilica With a Future Maybe so, Liz - but if that's the case, why haven't my own Irish ncestors guided me into finding out where in Ireland that they came rom!? Maybe old Peter Cassidy's spirit can encourage them to send me a essage or something!? ;-D Jim Liz Haren wrote: It wouldn't surprise me if that ancestor you found was up in heaven orchestrating the whole thing! ) Liz On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net>wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I sent this message off-list to our listowner, Carol - she suggested > that I should send it to the entire list because it is a nice story, and > it has everything to do with genealogy. My message to her is shown below: > > Dear Carol, > > One more thing - for anyone who thinks that the story of the basilica > has nothing to do with genealogy, I just want to let everyone know that > my connection with Old St. Patrick's is entirely due to the request of a > family researcher named Geraldine Hyde, who asked me way back in 2005 or > 2006 to investigate whether I could find the gravesite of an ancestor of > hers that was supposedly buried in Old St. Patrick's churchyard cemetery. > > Her request caused me to schedule an appointment with the pastor of the > church at that time, Fr. Thomas Kallumady, to ask him if he would allow > me to walk the churchyard to look for a headstone of her ancestors. (the > churchyard cemetery is not open to visitors or researchers - this is a > situation that _will_ change in the future). > > Father K not only allowed me to examine the cemetery thoroughly, but he > asked me if I would help him with some historical research about the > cemetery and the entire facility - it was his desire to open a small > museum of history in the basement of the church, but he could not afford > to hire anyone to help him with his plans. > > Long story short, a request by a genealogy enthusiast originally caused > me to go there, and on this past Sunday, I met several of Geraldine's > living relatives at the ceremony, completely by accident! I was > introduced to them by another friend who happened to be sitting behind > them - they were holding a copy of a portrait of the man whose gravesite > Geraldine asked me to find! I nearly fell over when I saw that copy of > the portrait, because Gerry had sent _me_ a copy of it - Geraldine lives > way out in California, and she is in her 80's and she cannot travel to > New York City, or she would have been there on Sunday, too. > > So, my participation in this event had everything to do with genealogy. > I don't recall if Geraldine contacted me via the NYC-Roots list or from > another list, but these lists definitely were a factor in her getting in > touch with me! > > Jim > > Carol Head wrote: > >> That article has PLENTY to do with genealogy. >> >> Your rude comment had nothing to do with genealogy. >> >> Your Listowner, >> Carol C. Head >> cch@netdoor.com, cchcap@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

My theory is that some people just don't want to be found! -----Original Message----- From: Mary Kyritsis <mkyritsi@hol.gr> To: NYC-Roots List <NYC-Roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2010 7:46 am Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Irish relatives contacting Never doubt it's possible Jim. My brother and I shared the genealogy passion, nd after he died suddenly I seemed to be full of new ideas and my reasoning eemed to sharpen -- and bear fruit. Was he up there consulting the shades of ll those Irishmen? I won't know until I get there I guess, but it happened ften enough to really get me wondering! So pay attention to your hunches, you ust never know. Mary in Greece >Maybe so, Liz - but if that's the case, why haven't my own Irish ancestors guided me into finding out where in Ireland that they came from!? Maybe old Peter Cassidy's spirit can encourage them to send me a message or something!? ;-D Jim ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Annemarie I know my Hugh Brady was in the US before 1833 and on Staten Island by 1840 Thanks for much for narrowing this down for me Can you search for a marriage to Ellen Donnelly? Perhaps they were married in Ireland. L

Annemarie, My Hugh Brady would have been born 1810 or a little after. He would have been Catholic Thanks for looking. L

Annemarie I have no idea where in Ireland Hugh Brady originated. I think he arrived in Passamaquoddy, Maine in the 3rd quarter of 1832. Do you have any ideas? L For me it is the other way round, I am trying to trace the Irish ancestors in the USA, they seem to have vanished after the 1920 census. If any of you need help tracing Irish in Ireland let me know, I live here and no my way around archive-land Annemarie

Jim, I knew the cemetery remains closed although have peered through the fence trying to see some of the names on the headstones. Family lore has it that my Murphy ggrandparents were married there and I've wondered if any children would have been buried there. A search by the parish did not uncover that marriage information (they were married around 1860) and since I have no data indicating they lived in that area, I doubt there is anyone in that branch buried there. Another branch of the family lived at 7 Mulberry in the 1850s, which might be in the parish, but their grave is in Calvary. You are such a wonderful source of information. Have you thought about writing a book? Or even a blog? Regards, Joanne -----Original Message----- From: Jim Garrity [mailto:jimgarrity@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:59 PM To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Old St Patrick's Basilica That is an excellent question, Joanne - and it is one for which there is no easy answer! Believe it or not, there is no existing list of interments within the churchyard cemetery or for the burial crypts below the church. Nobody at the Archdiocese of New York seems to know with certainty at what point those records were lost, but they do not exist anymore. I have found a few articles that have recorded gravestone inscriptions in the cemetery - this work was done by a few ladies of the Daughters of the American Revolution back in the early 1930's - and the offices at Calvary Cemetery have a plot map which lists the surnames (only!) of some of the original plot owners, but not even one half of the plots have names associated with them, unfortunately. There are not too many legible gravestones left in the cemetery, either. What I have done is to do extensive searches in old newspapers and in the New York City death liber microfilms to note where a person in question was said to be buried - but if there is no headstone remaining to read, we have no idea *where* within the cemetery that the person was buried. There are other complications in doing this type of research, but I could go on for hours about the uncertainties of doing research in this cemetery - but this isn't the place to go into all the things I've discovered! Do you suspect that you have relatives buried there? Jim Joanne Novarro wrote: > Jim, > > > > How does one find out who is buried in the cemetery at Old St Pat's? > > > > Joanne Novarro > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Jim for all this info. Very interesting and now I have a face to a familiar name, yours Patricia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I battled this same problem for years Jim, working with just vague "maybe" info I got from a couple of elderly relatives who really didn't know. It wasn't until I finally began chasing down all the known siblings of my Irish Great-grandfather, those that had also come to America, that I finally found the clue I needed. In a brother's obituary, I found info regarding where he was born (near Lough Allen in County Roscommon) that gave me something I could chase. He was survived by his wife who was also from there so I felt very confident that she certainly knew his origins. From there I mined the parish BMD registers and found my Great-grandfather's baptism, as well as almost all of his siblings baptisms, their parents marriage and other relatives (that register was a gold mine!) and went from there. I also wrote to the parish priest who forwarded my note, name and contact info and in 2003, after well over 100 years, I reconnected with my remaining McGuire relatives that still live there (they still have the old house too). Ironically, I missed my oldest cousin, John, by just 2 weeks (who, btw, was born in the Bronx so there is a NYC connection here). According to his wife, John died always wondering whatever happened to his McGuire relatives that went to America and then disappeared over time. You've probably already tried chasing down the siblings of your ancestor but if not, give that a try. if nothing else, maybe this story will help give someone else some ideas too...cast a wide net and it's amazing what you might catch! Best of luck! -Charles At 12:00 AM 12/8/2010, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:12:53 -0500 >From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Listowner Post Re: Cathedral With a Past; > Basilica With a Future >To: nyc-roots@rootsweb.com > >Maybe so, Liz - but if that's the case, why haven't my own Irish >ancestors guided me into finding out where in Ireland that they came >from!? Maybe old Peter Cassidy's spirit can encourage them to send me a >message or something!? ;-D > >Jim

I would bet any money that my NAUGHTON granduncles attended mass at Saint Patricks Cathedral, as it was then back in the early 1900's Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Garrity" <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Cathedral With a Past; Basilica With a Future Thank you, Carol! It was my pleasure to share the URL with the list members. The whole Old St. Patrick's campus is a genealogical gem - the place IS genealogy! I've done loads of historical and genealogical research on the founding members of the congregation, many of whom are buried in the churchyard cemetery which surrounds the church, or down in the mortuary vaults below it. Jim G. Carol Head wrote: > WOW!!!! One of the members of this list got interviewed! I am impressed! > That was great, Jim! Thanks for posting the url! > > Carol C. Head > <cch@netdoor.com>, <cchcap@comcast.net> > http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/GEN-links.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Garrity" <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> > To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Cathedral With a Past; Basilica With a Future > > > Jerry, I was there yesterday - it was a beautiful service! Check out the > link below: > > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7825572 > > You may even see me on there for about 3 seconds - the interview was > much longer, but most of it got left on the edit room floor! > > Jim > > Gerald Tobin wrote: > >> Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan led a procession into St. Patrick’s Old >> Cathedral, which included a striped umbrella to be entrusted to the new >> basilica. >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/nyregion/06church.html >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello list What a lovely story!!!! I wish we were all so lucky to have an experience like that, and yes it has ALL to do with genealogy.. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Garrity" <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] Listowner Post Re: Cathedral With a Past; Basilica With a Future > Dear Friends, > > I sent this message off-list to our listowner, Carol - she suggested > that I should send it to the entire list because it is a nice story, and > it has everything to do with genealogy. My message to her is shown below: > > Dear Carol, > > One more thing - for anyone who thinks that the story of the basilica > has nothing to do with genealogy, I just want to let everyone know that > my connection with Old St. Patrick's is entirely due to the request of a > family researcher named Geraldine Hyde, who asked me way back in 2005 or > 2006 to investigate whether I could find the gravesite of an ancestor of > hers that was supposedly buried in Old St. Patrick's churchyard cemetery. > > Her request caused me to schedule an appointment with the pastor of the > church at that time, Fr. Thomas Kallumady, to ask him if he would allow > me to walk the churchyard to look for a headstone of her ancestors. (the > churchyard cemetery is not open to visitors or researchers - this is a > situation that _will_ change in the future). > > Father K not only allowed me to examine the cemetery thoroughly, but he > asked me if I would help him with some historical research about the > cemetery and the entire facility - it was his desire to open a small > museum of history in the basement of the church, but he could not afford > to hire anyone to help him with his plans. > > Long story short, a request by a genealogy enthusiast originally caused > me to go there, and on this past Sunday, I met several of Geraldine's > living relatives at the ceremony, completely by accident! I was > introduced to them by another friend who happened to be sitting behind > them - they were holding a copy of a portrait of the man whose gravesite > Geraldine asked me to find! I nearly fell over when I saw that copy of > the portrait, because Gerry had sent _me_ a copy of it - Geraldine lives > way out in California, and she is in her 80's and she cannot travel to > New York City, or she would have been there on Sunday, too. > > So, my participation in this event had everything to do with genealogy. > I don't recall if Geraldine contacted me via the NYC-Roots list or from > another list, but these lists definitely were a factor in her getting in > touch with me! > > Jim > > Carol Head wrote: >> That article has PLENTY to do with genealogy. >> >> Your rude comment had nothing to do with genealogy. >> >> Your Listowner, >> Carol C. Head >> cch@netdoor.com, cchcap@comcast.net >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 12/7/2010 8:14:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimgarrity@earthlink.net writes: > > Maybe so, Liz - but if that's the case, why haven't my own Irish > ancestors guided me into finding out where in Ireland that they came > from!? Maybe old Peter Cassidy's spirit can encourage them to send me a > message or something!? ;-D > Maybe they are saying nother was easy for us either<grin> Looking for O'briens in County Clare. Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach Fl

Jim, Did I miss the link for the interview? Thanks. Nora From: Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> Hahahaha! Thank you, Mary - I never look to be interviewed, but I couldn't avoid speaking with several reporters that had television cameras along with them this time, because the basilica event was so well attended by the media. My position as volunteer historical researcher for the Old Cathedral kind of put me in "the cross hairs" of the reporters. Jim Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Maybe so, Liz - but if that's the case, why haven't my own Irish ancestors guided me into finding out where in Ireland that they came from!? Maybe old Peter Cassidy's spirit can encourage them to send me a message or something!? ;-D Jim Liz Haren wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me if that ancestor you found was up in heaven > orchestrating the whole thing! ) > > Liz > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net>wrote: > > >> Dear Friends, >> >> I sent this message off-list to our listowner, Carol - she suggested >> that I should send it to the entire list because it is a nice story, and >> it has everything to do with genealogy. My message to her is shown below: >> >> Dear Carol, >> >> One more thing - for anyone who thinks that the story of the basilica >> has nothing to do with genealogy, I just want to let everyone know that >> my connection with Old St. Patrick's is entirely due to the request of a >> family researcher named Geraldine Hyde, who asked me way back in 2005 or >> 2006 to investigate whether I could find the gravesite of an ancestor of >> hers that was supposedly buried in Old St. Patrick's churchyard cemetery. >> >> Her request caused me to schedule an appointment with the pastor of the >> church at that time, Fr. Thomas Kallumady, to ask him if he would allow >> me to walk the churchyard to look for a headstone of her ancestors. (the >> churchyard cemetery is not open to visitors or researchers - this is a >> situation that _will_ change in the future). >> >> Father K not only allowed me to examine the cemetery thoroughly, but he >> asked me if I would help him with some historical research about the >> cemetery and the entire facility - it was his desire to open a small >> museum of history in the basement of the church, but he could not afford >> to hire anyone to help him with his plans. >> >> Long story short, a request by a genealogy enthusiast originally caused >> me to go there, and on this past Sunday, I met several of Geraldine's >> living relatives at the ceremony, completely by accident! I was >> introduced to them by another friend who happened to be sitting behind >> them - they were holding a copy of a portrait of the man whose gravesite >> Geraldine asked me to find! I nearly fell over when I saw that copy of >> the portrait, because Gerry had sent _me_ a copy of it - Geraldine lives >> way out in California, and she is in her 80's and she cannot travel to >> New York City, or she would have been there on Sunday, too. >> >> So, my participation in this event had everything to do with genealogy. >> I don't recall if Geraldine contacted me via the NYC-Roots list or from >> another list, but these lists definitely were a factor in her getting in >> touch with me! >> >> Jim >> >> Carol Head wrote: >> >>> That article has PLENTY to do with genealogy. >>> >>> Your rude comment had nothing to do with genealogy. >>> >>> Your Listowner, >>> Carol C. Head >>> cch@netdoor.com, cchcap@comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

It wouldn't surprise me if that ancestor you found was up in heaven orchestrating the whole thing! ) Liz On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net>wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I sent this message off-list to our listowner, Carol - she suggested > that I should send it to the entire list because it is a nice story, and > it has everything to do with genealogy. My message to her is shown below: > > Dear Carol, > > One more thing - for anyone who thinks that the story of the basilica > has nothing to do with genealogy, I just want to let everyone know that > my connection with Old St. Patrick's is entirely due to the request of a > family researcher named Geraldine Hyde, who asked me way back in 2005 or > 2006 to investigate whether I could find the gravesite of an ancestor of > hers that was supposedly buried in Old St. Patrick's churchyard cemetery. > > Her request caused me to schedule an appointment with the pastor of the > church at that time, Fr. Thomas Kallumady, to ask him if he would allow > me to walk the churchyard to look for a headstone of her ancestors. (the > churchyard cemetery is not open to visitors or researchers - this is a > situation that _will_ change in the future). > > Father K not only allowed me to examine the cemetery thoroughly, but he > asked me if I would help him with some historical research about the > cemetery and the entire facility - it was his desire to open a small > museum of history in the basement of the church, but he could not afford > to hire anyone to help him with his plans. > > Long story short, a request by a genealogy enthusiast originally caused > me to go there, and on this past Sunday, I met several of Geraldine's > living relatives at the ceremony, completely by accident! I was > introduced to them by another friend who happened to be sitting behind > them - they were holding a copy of a portrait of the man whose gravesite > Geraldine asked me to find! I nearly fell over when I saw that copy of > the portrait, because Gerry had sent _me_ a copy of it - Geraldine lives > way out in California, and she is in her 80's and she cannot travel to > New York City, or she would have been there on Sunday, too. > > So, my participation in this event had everything to do with genealogy. > I don't recall if Geraldine contacted me via the NYC-Roots list or from > another list, but these lists definitely were a factor in her getting in > touch with me! > > Jim > > Carol Head wrote: > > That article has PLENTY to do with genealogy. > > > > Your rude comment had nothing to do with genealogy. > > > > Your Listowner, > > Carol C. Head > > cch@netdoor.com, cchcap@comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Friends, I sent this message off-list to our listowner, Carol - she suggested that I should send it to the entire list because it is a nice story, and it has everything to do with genealogy. My message to her is shown below: Dear Carol, One more thing - for anyone who thinks that the story of the basilica has nothing to do with genealogy, I just want to let everyone know that my connection with Old St. Patrick's is entirely due to the request of a family researcher named Geraldine Hyde, who asked me way back in 2005 or 2006 to investigate whether I could find the gravesite of an ancestor of hers that was supposedly buried in Old St. Patrick's churchyard cemetery. Her request caused me to schedule an appointment with the pastor of the church at that time, Fr. Thomas Kallumady, to ask him if he would allow me to walk the churchyard to look for a headstone of her ancestors. (the churchyard cemetery is not open to visitors or researchers - this is a situation that _will_ change in the future). Father K not only allowed me to examine the cemetery thoroughly, but he asked me if I would help him with some historical research about the cemetery and the entire facility - it was his desire to open a small museum of history in the basement of the church, but he could not afford to hire anyone to help him with his plans. Long story short, a request by a genealogy enthusiast originally caused me to go there, and on this past Sunday, I met several of Geraldine's living relatives at the ceremony, completely by accident! I was introduced to them by another friend who happened to be sitting behind them - they were holding a copy of a portrait of the man whose gravesite Geraldine asked me to find! I nearly fell over when I saw that copy of the portrait, because Gerry had sent _me_ a copy of it - Geraldine lives way out in California, and she is in her 80's and she cannot travel to New York City, or she would have been there on Sunday, too. So, my participation in this event had everything to do with genealogy. I don't recall if Geraldine contacted me via the NYC-Roots list or from another list, but these lists definitely were a factor in her getting in touch with me! Jim Carol Head wrote: > That article has PLENTY to do with genealogy. > > Your rude comment had nothing to do with genealogy. > > Your Listowner, > Carol C. Head > cch@netdoor.com, cchcap@comcast.net > > > >

That is an excellent question, Joanne - and it is one for which there is no easy answer! Believe it or not, there is no existing list of interments within the churchyard cemetery or for the burial crypts below the church. Nobody at the Archdiocese of New York seems to know with certainty at what point those records were lost, but they do not exist anymore. I have found a few articles that have recorded gravestone inscriptions in the cemetery - this work was done by a few ladies of the Daughters of the American Revolution back in the early 1930's - and the offices at Calvary Cemetery have a plot map which lists the surnames (only!) of some of the original plot owners, but not even one half of the plots have names associated with them, unfortunately. There are not too many legible gravestones left in the cemetery, either. What I have done is to do extensive searches in old newspapers and in the New York City death liber microfilms to note where a person in question was said to be buried - but if there is no headstone remaining to read, we have no idea *where* within the cemetery that the person was buried. There are other complications in doing this type of research, but I could go on for hours about the uncertainties of doing research in this cemetery - but this isn't the place to go into all the things I've discovered! Do you suspect that you have relatives buried there? Jim Joanne Novarro wrote: > Jim, > > > > How does one find out who is buried in the cemetery at Old St Pat's? > > > > Joanne Novarro > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >