and the search's get you to databases, like a death index.......... Steve Morse" is a bunch of search engines, not databases.

Hi Bobbi, Thank you. I will look into this before my next trip to NYC L

This question has come up before. If I remember correctly, there's a copy at the New York County Clerk's office. It was not microfilmed because of its condition, wormholes or something. On Feb 16, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Lamont wrote: > Does anyone know where Ward 17 of the 1855 census can be found? Salt > Lake > does not have a copy! > > L > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYC-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Doug, "Steve Morse" is a bunch of search engines, not databases. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: <DougB81042@aol.com> To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 February, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [NYC-ROOTS] 1855 census--enumeration dist > In a message dated 2/16/2011 5:47:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >> 17 of the 1855 census can be found? Salt Lake >> does not have a copy! >> > > How about Steve Morse? > Douglas Burnett > Satellite Beach > FL

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamont" To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 February, 2011 5:45 PM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] 1855 census > Does anyone know where Ward 17 of the 1855 census can be found? Salt Lake > does not have a copy! > > L Hi Lamont, You will not find it online, but they should be available here: The New York Public Library's Irma and Paul Milstein Division of United States History, Local History and Genealogy is one of the largest genealogical and local history collections open to the public in this country, and, as such, it is one of the most heavily used divisions in the Library. What follows is a selective list of resources available to family historians at The New York Public Library. Unless noted otherwise, all sources cited are located in the Milstein Division (Room 121). Most of the microform titles are self-service in the Milstein Division Microform Room (Room 119). New York State Census Microfilm: a.. 1855 Majority of state counties, but among those lacking: Queens, Suffolk, Westchester b.. 1865/1875 Kings and Richmond Counties c.. 1892 Kings County d.. 1905 New York (Bronx), Kings, Westchester e.. 1915/1925 New York, Bronx, Kings, Queens, Richmond, Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester New York State Census Microfilm at New York State Library Various censuses were taken by the State of New York (usually at ten-year intervals). This table lists those censuses which the State Library has available for the use of on-site researchers. a.. The Microfilm does not circulate on interlibrary loan. State Library staff cannot search or provide printouts from census records or indexes in response to mail or phone requests. State census microfilm is available for loan through a local Family History Center of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. b.. The original records for the State's pre-1915 census are kept at the county level and are not available at the New York State Library. Contact the county clerk's office to ascertain their availability and location. Original manuscripts of the 1915 and 1925 census are maintained by the State Archives. New York State Census Microfilm at New York State Library 1825 1835 1845 1855 1865 1875 1892 1905 1915 1925 County X X X NEW YORK Bobbi

In a message dated 2/16/2011 5:47:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Theshadow8418@verizon.net writes: > 17 of the 1855 census can be found? Salt Lake > does not have a copy! > How about Steve Morse? Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL

Does anyone know where Ward 17 of the 1855 census can be found? Salt Lake does not have a copy! L

>From Google search try http://www.wpi.edu/academics/Depts/MilSci/Resources/saratoga.html Scroll down to where it has the units that were involved. That might work, otherwise, try a query to the New England Historic Genealogical Society at americanancestors.org As I recall, there is also a Historical Society at Saratoga, so they might know. Jean

Dan, First of all, let me congratulate you on having found an ancestor who fought in the American Revolution. Secondly, let me invite you to join the Sons of the American Revolution (the SAR). We're like the DAR, but not as large, and not as well known. The soldier Amos King was awarded a pension. His individual pension file is designated as S10954. In this pension file, it clearly states that the soldier was at Cherry Valley. The pension file offers other details of his service as well. I have downloaded a pdf file of this pension file, and would be happy to send it to you privately, i.e., off-list. There may also be a compiled service record for Amos King, but I have not had a chance to check for you. The pension file and the compiled service record are primary sources. There is a widely-used secondary source you may also wish to consult, 'New York in the Revolution as Colony and State' by James A. Roberts, first published in 1897. I'm sure there are other secondary sources that put forth rosters of men who fought at Saratoga. If you would like the pdf of the pension file, or if you wish to join the SAR, let me know. I can refer you to an SAR chapter in your area. Take care, Joseph W. Dooley, Genealogist General National Society, Sons of the American Revolution ----- Original Message ----- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:45:44 -0800 From: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz \(1\)" <daniel_lewis_frommherz@mckenzievalleymarket.com> Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Surrender of Burgoyne at Saratoga To: <nyc-roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <58AEB14A9E1C4399AB432DB477565028@danielp7ia8sqw> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Folks my 4th great grandfather Amos King of New Salem, Hampshire County, Massachusetts fought and lived through his own hell as he was with the continental army and participated at the massacre at Cherry Valley, recently a distant cousin who has no heirs sent me a box of relics including the leather wallet carried during the Revolution by Amos King. I found in the wallet a packet of newspaper clippings, 2 Brooklyn Ferry passage tickets, and a letter hand written by Amos's grandson John F. King of Hillsdale, Hillsdale County, Michigan. The letter explained the significance of the wallet and told of Amos's participation in the Battle with Burgoyne at Saratoga and briefly mentions Cherry Valley. I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to prove that Amos King was present at the Battle of Saratoga? The DAR has already agreed that Amos was at Cherry Valley and the pension that he earned from that battle. Thanks Dan

Folks my 4th great grandfather Amos King of New Salem, Hampshire County, Massachusetts fought and lived through his own hell as he was with the continental army and participated at the massacre at Cherry Valley, recently a distant cousin who has no heirs sent me a box of relics including the leather wallet carried during the Revolution by Amos King. I found in the wallet a packet of newspaper clippings, 2 Brooklyn Ferry passage tickets, and a letter hand written by Amos's grandson John F. King of Hillsdale, Hillsdale County, Michigan. The letter explained the significance of the wallet and told of Amos's participation in the Battle with Burgoyne at Saratoga and briefly mentions Cherry Valley. I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to prove that Amos King was present at the Battle of Saratoga? The DAR has already agreed that Amos was at Cherry Valley and the pension that he earned from that battle. Thanks Dan

To clear up the question you can do two things. 1) Document the birth. 2) Document the marriage of Sarah farmer to Isaac. The early Vedder families seem to be in Schenectady and then move slowly west. Check your maps for a sense of where they were and where they went. Sometimes this helps. From Kinship records of the First reformed Church of Glen, Montgomery County we have the birth of Jacob Sudam b. August 12, 1818 bapt. March 7, 1819, parents Isaac Vedder and Sarah farmer. From Caughnagwa Reformed Church, Fonda, NY there is a Bapt. of Elenor b. 20 Aug. bapt. 1806. The record incomplete dtr of Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer. theclown16

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=moon00&id=I9626 Here is another researcher on Rootsweb Worldconnect. She believes Jacob's parents are Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer but that ISAAC's father was an Albert Vedder. No sources are listed for him, but she has a web page for Van Eps and cousins. Nothing seems to have been updated in four years, but there are contacts to try. Farther back, her sources for the Vedders are: Title: Genealogies of the First Settlers of Schenectady Name: By Jonathan Pearson Type: AUTHOR Date: BET 1873 AND 1982 Publication: Title: Genealogies of the First Settlers of the Ancient County of Albany Name: Jonathan Pearson Type: AUTHOR Date: 1870 I have both Vedders and Suydams marrying into my tree, just not together. Elizabeth Knowlton ------------------------------------------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 07:04:25 -0800 (PST) > From: AdySin <ady_sin@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Vedder > To: NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > > I am descended from Jacob Suydam Vedder who was b. 8/12/1818 Montgomery county, NY to Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer who were b. Montgomery, as well.? I cannot find any documentation for Jacob's parents or siblings in NY using familysearch.org > > Added to that, my great grandfather put on Jacob's death certificate that his parents were Albert Vedder and Sarah Suydam.? Jacob's baptism record states Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer which are the parents that?my mother had in her notes. > ? > I would appreciate assistance concerning how to find records on my Vedders in NY. > ? > Adria

Have you checked the vital records indexes on _www.stevemorse.org_ (http://www.stevemorse.org) Any help appreciated Looking for family of Oliver Vincent b. 1869 N.Y.C. s/o Nelson Vincent ^ Rebecca/Elizabeth Garrigan d. before 1930 Mar. 17 Nov 1889 Castletowm, Richomond Co. N,Y, b. cir. 1869 d/o Robert after 1930 Children: Marjorie b. June 1892 N.Y.C. Oliver Frederick b. Dec 1894 Harold b. Mar 1896 Possibly a daughter Jockwood Jane ANY HELP AT ALL Apprciated Thanks Brenda

Any help appreciated Looking for family of Oliver Vincent b. 1869 N.Y.C. s/o Nelson Vincent ^ Rebecca/Elizabeth Garrigan d. before 1930 Mar. 17 Nov 1889 Castletowm, Richomond Co. N,Y, b. cir. 1869 d/o Robert after 1930 Children: Marjorie b. June 1892 N.Y.C. Oliver Frederick b. Dec 1894 Harold b. Mar 1896 Possibly a daughter Jockwood Jane ANY HELP AT ALL Apprciated Thanks Brenda

I did not even think of that possibility that Sarah might have been a widow when she married my Vedder.  Now to figure out the discrepancy in the name of the father of Jacob Suydam.   I also have Van Alstyne's from New York state.   Adrian

Hi Adrian, The thought occurs to me that perhaps Suydam was Sarah's maiden name. Possibly Isaac married a widow "Sarah Farmer"? Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "AdySin" To: <NYC-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: 12 February, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: [NYC-ROOTS] Vedder I am descended from Jacob Suydam Vedder who was b. 8/12/1818 Montgomery county, NY to Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer who were b. Montgomery, as well. I cannot find any documentation for Jacob's parents or siblings in NY using familysearch.org Added to that, my great grandfather put on Jacob's death certificate that his parents were Albert Vedder and Sarah Suydam. Jacob's baptism record states Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer which are the parents that my mother had in her notes. I would appreciate assistance concerning how to find records on my Vedders in NY. Adrian -------------------------------

Hello Adrian, If this is Germn surname, you might try spelling it VETTER, WEDDER, or WETTER. Best wishes, Barb > Jacob Suydam Vedder

Hello everyone,   In case the post I just sent with names changed in the Sessions Law in the State of New York index couldn't be opened, here's the link.  It was posted by a lister on the JewishGen listserv.  Hope this helps someone find a missing relation.   Barbara Kiersh Jacksonville, FL   http://books.google.com/books?id=E4U4AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=supplementary+index+to+the+session+laws+of+the+state+of+new+york&source=bl&ots=xffrAmZn-z&sig=d3juALppbxxTeXCY9nGYzSuHPJY&hl=en&ei=j99VTd3yPI_ksQPltb2jDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

I am descended from Jacob Suydam Vedder who was b. 8/12/1818 Montgomery county, NY to Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer who were b. Montgomery, as well.  I cannot find any documentation for Jacob's parents or siblings in NY using familysearch.org Added to that, my great grandfather put on Jacob's death certificate that his parents were Albert Vedder and Sarah Suydam.  Jacob's baptism record states Isaac Vedder and Sarah Farmer which are the parents that my mother had in her notes.   I would appreciate assistance concerning how to find records on my Vedders in NY.   Adrian

The Huntsville Daily Times published in: Huntsville, AL Date: March 30 1930 Page/Column: Page 1, Column 3 EDEL’S SENTENCE CHANGE TO LIFE OSSINNING, N. Y., March 29 (AP) – His death sentence commuted to life imprisonment today by Governor ROOSEVELT, Fred W. EDELl, alleged slayer was in the Sing Sing hospital tonight recovering from a case of nerves brought on by his ordeal of 14 months in the prison’s death house. Only the supporting arm of a keeper prevented EDEL from swooning to the floor when he was informed of the governor’s action. He was able to stammer out only a few words of appreciation. Four times had EDL been prepared to march down the corridor to the death chamber and once his doom was only fifteen minutes away when word of a reprieve rescued him. Another time he had been dressed in the black suit that condemned men wear when they die but again the preparations were halted less than an hour before the switch was to have been thrown. EDEL is alleged to have killed Mrs. Emma HARRINGTON, an actress and intimate friend who was found beaten to death in her New York apartment in December 1927. He has maintained his innocence. http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?action=detail&id=82803 SOURCE: http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?action=detail&id=82803